At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.
LOL
The way he had us guard Burns in the 1st was dumb
But other than that what can he do
We have 2 guys that challenging the worst performance in basketball history. And everyone else is missing wide open 3s or chucking it in the stands every time we get momentum changing stops.
Just happy to be here
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 07:44:28 PM
At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.
Jesus dude...
I really don't know what Shaka can do here. They have had so many wide open looks and they just aren't falling. They have gotten tight and it's just snowballed.
3/23 from three. Most wide open and in rhythm. 🤷🤷🤷
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 29, 2024, 07:57:36 PM
I really don't know what Shaka can do here. They have had so many wide open looks and they just aren't falling. They have gotten tight and it's just snowballed.
This is a long standing point. Shaka doesn't take the shots but shaka is responsible for having the guys loose and ready to play
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 29, 2024, 07:57:36 PM
I really don't know what Shaka can do here. They have had so many wide open looks and they just aren't falling. They have gotten tight and it's just snowballed.
Maybe recruit some shooters instead of slashers, aina?
offensively nothing else he can do........guys are just missing open shots and making uncharacteristically bad decisions
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 07:44:28 PM
At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.
This comment is ludicrous.
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 07:44:28 PM
At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.
Bro. The team is 3 for 24 from 3. The fug Ahaka to do about that?
At this point he's 2 buckets better than Wojo.
Can't fault Shaka for the shooting. The offense is getting looks, but the wide open shots are not falling.
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 08:02:25 PM
This is a long standing point. Shaka doesn't take the shots but shaka is responsible for having the guys loose and ready to play
I guess
The only Creedence I'll give this thought is that the team disappears for long stretches, and that goes back to last year. Not sure if that is a reflection of the coach?
I've never seen a poor performance more completely on the players than this one. Shaka could have had John Wooden and Jay Wright as assistants and they would still lose with that performance by the players
They got 3 happy and they don't have guys who can finish inside with contact. Given the personnel, they got the shots they want. Guys just weren't good enough shooters tonight. I think they started out with some quick bad shots and it set the tone. The collar got tight.
Shaka has built a team of very talented likable guys. I will have him as my coach any day.
1. Forever coaches don't exist.
2. Shaka is very good, and this was his team letting him down today.
Everyone played poorly.
Some guys were in Cabo, hey?
So, tomorrow or next week, the question implied by the OP needs answered. If not Shaka, who?
Since there is no good answer to that question, moving on.
If he isn't the forever coach, think that will be more his choice than MUs.
I'll go to war with Shaka for the rest of my MU fandom if I can.
Our head coach is the least of the problems here. Get real guys.
Shaka is the best thing that has happened to Marquette since Al!!! Hands down!!
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2024, 08:30:51 PM
So, tomorrow or next week, the question implied by the OP needs answered. If not Shaka, who?
Since there is no good answer to that question, moving on.
Agreed. The implication is Marquette can do better. Would love a list.
Quote from: Marquette Fan in WI on March 29, 2024, 08:31:14 PM
If he isn't the forever coach, think that will be more his choice than MUs.
I know people say NIL is the death of college hoops, but I think MU will be playing past Shaka's lifetime.
This is one of the dumbest threads ever.
Proud of Shaka, proud of this team. Sucks we couldn't hit the broad side of a barn on 3's tonight.
Clearly it's an emotional take, but anyone who questions Shaka's fitness for the job is beyond an idiot.
3 wins with two 2 seeds.
There's so much to love about Shaka, but not getting it done in tourney is why he parted ways with TX.
Has yet to beat a single digit seed while at MU. Hasn't beat a single digit seed in the tourney since... ?
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 08:35:09 PM
3 wins with two 2 seeds.
There's so much to love about Shaka, but not getting it done in tourney is why he parted ways with TX.
Has yet to beat a single digit seed while at MU. Hasn't beat a single digit seed in the tourney since... ?
Write a letter.
dumb thread... Shaka does need to recruit more accurate shooters.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 29, 2024, 08:36:11 PM
dumb thread... Shaka does need to recruit more accurate shooters.
That's not it. If they shoot even 5-% below their average, they win running away.
The kids choked in the moment. I feel for them.
Shaka is the guy. There are NO alternatives in the same class, NONE.
That being said, if he is given Wojo levels of support and only produces this single Sweet Sixteen, we'll talk in 2030.
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 08:35:09 PM
3 wins with two 2 seeds.
There's so much to love about Shaka, but not getting it done in tourney is why he parted ways with TX.
Has yet to beat a single digit seed while at MU. Hasn't beat a single digit seed in the tourney since... ?
What should he have done to make the team shoot better than 4/31?
They peaked in Maui. That's not good coaching.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2024, 08:38:09 PM
What should he have done to make the team shoot better than 4/31?
Put the freshmen in? Inexcusable. They couldn't have played worse.
I think the problem with Shaka is that he turned his nose up at the portal and it bit him in the ass.
They clearly needed a physical big who could bump and rebound from the end of last year. Oso is good but he can't match up with some of these guys. He was not his best these last 2 weeks and they had no backup plan.
The fire Shaka stuff is dumb though. This program is still WAY ahead of schedule.
I hope Shaka learns from this and starts using the portal to fill glaring needs.
Quote from: Hamburgler on March 29, 2024, 08:38:45 PM
They peaked in Maui. That's not good coaching.
Best win in 2024 - @SJU? Colorado?
God forbid sS
hakra disrupts the family lovefest by going to the transfer portal. I know it's against his religion
God forbid Shaka goes to the transfer portal and disrupts the family love fest.
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 08:40:44 PM
Best win in 2024 - @SJU? Colorado?
probably Colorado...
I think you should take another shot and post it a third time.
He's not going anywhere....
And MU can't do any better...
But ... wow ... that was AWFUL
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 29, 2024, 08:51:16 PM
He's not going anywhere....
And MU can't do any better...
But ... wow ... that was AWFUL
Nice vote of confidence. So glad we're stuck with him.
Quote from: Hamburgler on March 29, 2024, 08:58:44 PM
Nice vote of confidence. So glad we're stuck with him.
Hey NLW has a new account!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2024, 08:38:09 PM
What should he have done to make the team shoot better than 4/31?
We should have driven to the basket more than we did. Not being able to go to Oso for some inside buckets compounded out shooting issues.
We held them to 0.97 PPP on the game. Missed what, 20 unguarded threes? The game plan was fine. The execution was awful. And that's not mentioning Oso bobbling every entry or blowing bunnies.
If we play bad, we beat them by double digits. Coaching wasn't the problem. Not even remotely.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2024, 08:38:09 PM
What should he have done to make the team shoot better than 4/31?
not shoot 31 3s
Quote from: Hamburgler on March 29, 2024, 08:58:44 PM
Nice vote of confidence. So glad we're stuck with him.
IP address check.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 29, 2024, 09:05:44 PM
The execution was awful. And that's not mentioning Oso bobbling every entry or blowing bunnies.
What was the deal with Oso's hands during the tournament? Very uncharacteristic. His set of performances in general were strange. It really leads me to believe there's a significant injury, but didn't see any clear physical issues on the court.
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 29, 2024, 09:12:14 PM
not shoot 31 3s
So, Marquette had the 15th best effective offensive FG% this year. They entered tonight with the nations 19th most efficient offense. 59th in the nation in 3 pt. shooting.
🤷🏼♂️
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 29, 2024, 09:13:15 PM
What was the deal with Oso's hands during the tournament? Very uncharacteristic. His set of performances in general were strange. It really leads me to believe there's a significant injury, but didn't see any clear physical issues on the court.
he never really seemed to have that absolute killer instinct , and then took that to another level in the tournament
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 29, 2024, 07:57:36 PM
I really don't know what Shaka can do here. They have had so many wide open looks and they just aren't falling. They have gotten tight and it's just snowballed.
They need to get a better team game psychiatrist.
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 29, 2024, 09:16:37 PM
They need to get a better team game psychiatrist.
Mad Dog Vachon used to drink a pint of whisky before cage matches
Wow, All Star wrestling.
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 29, 2024, 09:16:37 PM
They need to get a better team game psychiatrist.
Unironically, I think this is important. Judging the limited footage/writing available about him, their present consultant isn't very impressive. Especially with Shaka's extreme emphasis on relationships and culture, this team needs serious resources around mental skills.
The Marquette team was tight
Oso played awful basketball....
And, frankly... he seemed to not be at all intense or interested really
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 29, 2024, 09:24:49 PM
Oso played awful basketball....
And, frankly... he seemed to not be at all intense or interested really
according to shaka no injury for oso..........I have no idea what happened with him, horrible end to a great career
Quote from: warriors141 on March 29, 2024, 09:39:52 PM
according to shaka no injury for oso..........I have no idea what happened with him, horrible end to a great career
That really hurts to hear. He had a real opportunity to pump his draft stock.
Quote from: warriors141 on March 29, 2024, 09:39:52 PM
according to shaka no injury for oso..........I have no idea what happened with him, horrible end to a great career
I said after the Colorado game it looked way more mental than physical.
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 07:44:28 PM
At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.
complete trash, take.
This thread is f'n stupid
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 29, 2024, 09:23:25 PM
Unironically, I think this is important. Judging the limited footage/writing available about him, their present consultant isn't very impressive. Especially with Shaka's extreme emphasis on relationships and culture, this team needs serious resources around mental skills.
Shaka, more than the guys, needs a good one.
Don't take this as a slight, because he's incredible for this program.
There's no doubt in my mind that he doesn't want to acknowledge that there is an issue when it comes to the big game that he himself has to overcome.
He was asked about it and gave a complete non-confront answer. Not normal for a genius of his candor.
This team is a reflection of its main guy, its father.
They are a reflection during the good, and also during the bad.
He can't go out there and take the shots, and he's orchestrated tons of massive second half comebacks, but those were a product of extremely tight or poor played first halves.
Shaka changes during the dance. He likely doesn't realize it, but he does, and it affects his team.
When you reach Mt Olympus as a youth the fall is massive and the climb back up can be steep as heck.
He just needs one good bounce, one moment of brilliant, one individual to carry him thru and the gates will hopefully open up.
I was hoping Tyler was that guy.
Maybe next year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 29, 2024, 09:05:44 PM
We held them to 0.97 PPP on the game. Missed what, 20 unguarded threes? The game plan was fine. The execution was awful. And that's not mentioning Oso bobbling every entry or blowing bunnies.
If we play bad, we beat them by double digits. Coaching wasn't the problem. Not even remotely.
Just saw Chuck on the halftime show talking about how bad our defense was. All the highlights showed them hitting some pretty tough shots. If we hit our average, it's a pretty comfortable win.
I like Shaka, but his teams play too tight in the NCAAs. Happened again today. He also had a bad defensive strategy in the first half of doubling Burns which backfired and got MU in a double digit hole.
For those mentioning him changing his approach in the post season, I thought that watching him shorten the bench to just Chase and single minutes for Ben the last two games. Why essentially bench Tre and Zaide when they both contributed down the stretch?
And I wish Shaka would use time outs quicker to stem other teams' runs. He didn't even use two time outs today. What was he saving them for?
Glad we made the Sweet 16, but painful to lose to another double digit seed as a 2 seed.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 29, 2024, 10:03:29 PM
Just saw Chuck on the halftime show talking about how bad our defense was. All the highlights showed them hitting some pretty tough shots. If we hit our average, it's a pretty comfortable win.
Chuck is there for entertainment value, not smart analysis.
Our defense was okay (not great) in the first and excellent in the second. It was all about our offense missing shots. Only reason we lost.
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 07:44:28 PM
At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.
Great point. Let's fire Shaka and see if we can lure Gard away from UW.
The slurp mindset on this board is unreal.
Nowhere have I insinuated anything remotely to the effect that Shaka should be fired at any point on the horizon. To the contrary, I'm so thrilled w him in most aspects of his job that I started the lifetime contract thread (and if you don't realize all of these have a touch of teal I don't know what to say...)
But my enthusiasm for Shaka is predicated on all the good things he's doing bringing us March success. Because, frankly, that's all that matters to me in terms of MUBB outcomes. I mean all things equal, I'd rather win a natty w a team built "the right way" but you're kidding yourself if you think you won't be happy w a natty secured w 5 NIL mercenaries.
If you can't admit that Shaka has not yet shown that he can again perform to a high level in the NCAAT IDK what to say. It's OK to admit that they guy we all really like has a major flaw.
Will he overcome it? Maybe. Hopefully. But he hasnt yet. He'll need to to be a forever coach. To be a Wright, or Few or K.
The good news is we'll probably get a chance to see again soon. But these NCAAT results after all the great stuff that got us two 2 seeds in 2 years - 2-2-2 - make me ill.
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 29, 2024, 09:12:14 PM
not shoot miss 31 27 3s
Really, it goes back to Tower's first point in the game summary.
So, so many of the threes were exactly want we wanted, wide open and uncontested. We missed. Like, historically badly missed.
Kam had what I think most would consider a below average to poor shooting night; if the entire team shot like Kam, we're playing on Sunday.
We were for the most part fine defensively. NCST did hit some clutch, contested, late clock gut punches, but overall giving up 67 points is fine. All MU needed was a D+ game on offense and we didn't get even that.
Quote from: 1SE on March 30, 2024, 03:28:37 AMWill he overcome it? Maybe. Hopefully. But he hasnt yet. He'll need to to be a forever coach. To be a Wright, or Few or K.
It took Wright 15 years to win a title at Villanova. It took K 11 years at Duke (and fans wanted him out after year 3). Few still hasn't won a title in 25 years.
It might be a tad premature to assume Shaka can't win bigger than this.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 29, 2024, 08:36:11 PM
dumb thread... Shaka does need to recruit more accurate shooters.
And a bruising big, a pg, and at least 2 big time wing shooters, given what is projected to come back next year. Is he up to that task?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 29, 2024, 08:03:35 PM
Bro. The team is 3 for 24 from 3. The fug Ahaka to do about that?
It happened last year when we shot pretty decently from 3 too. It's a fair point that his teams seem to have brutal games come in at the worst time in these NCAAs.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 30, 2024, 08:27:13 AM
And a bruising big, a pg, and at least 2 big time wing shooters, given what is projected to come back next year. Is he up to that task?
Dung-
The board thinks you are
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66043.0
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 30, 2024, 08:14:39 AM
It took Wright 15 years to win a title at Villanova. It took K 11 years at Duke (and fans wanted him out after year 3). Few still hasn't won a title in 25 years.
It might be a tad premature to assume Shaka can't win bigger than this.
No one is, but he hasn't yet. This year and last year were good chances to do that. Other chances will come, but these were missed opportunities.
When was the last time a Marquette team entered the season with expectations of a final four and talk of a national championship?
That wasn't someone we could even fathom three years ago. Everyone needs to realize just how lucky we are that Shaka is our guy. Yes, we feel short yesterday. Even Al's best teams don't win the naty. But Al also had teams that were consistently good enough to have a shot. That's what we need...sustained excellence. Shaka gives us a great chance at that.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on March 30, 2024, 08:42:59 AM
When was the last time a Marquette team entered the season with expectations of a final four and talk of a national championship?
That wasn't someone we could even fathom three years ago and now we're. Everyone needs to realize just how lucky we are that Shaka is our guy. Yes, we feel short yesterday. Even Al's best teams don't win the naty. But Al also had teams that were consistently good enough to have a shot. That's what we need...sustained excellence. Shaka gives us a great chance at that.
Agreed! Good post.
I'll add, Shaka is lucky to have Marquette.
Quote from: 1SE on March 30, 2024, 08:42:43 AM
No one is, but he hasn't yet. This year and last year were good chances to do that. Other chances will come, but these were missed opportunities.
I mean, this guy certainly seems to be insinuating it:
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2024, 07:44:28 PM
At some point it becomes a feature, not a bug. Three tournaments, three games where the team is just completely not ready to play. How the f*ck was no one ready to play.
Everything about that post indicates a belief Shaka can't win bigger than this.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 29, 2024, 08:20:43 PM
The only Creedence I'll give this thought is that the team disappears for long stretches, and that goes back to last year. Not sure if that is a reflection of the coach?
They did not disappear in this one. The shooters never showed up.
They kept shooting the right shots. They missed. Alas.
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2024, 09:32:46 AM
They kept shooting the right shots. They missed. Alas.
Yep. If they shoot 25% (-10% of season avg.) they win by 5.
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2024, 09:32:46 AM
They kept shooting the right shots. They missed. Alas.
The other side is when do they stop becoming the "right" shots? A few more pump fakes, drive in the lane to draw contact might have helped.
We always see defensive adjustments. What about offensive ones.?
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 30, 2024, 09:37:35 AM
The other side is when do they stop becoming the "right" shots? A few more pump fakes, drive in the lane to draw contact might have helped.
We always see defensive adjustments. What about iffensive ones.?
They missed those too!
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 30, 2024, 09:37:35 AM
The other side is when do they stop becoming the "right" shots? A few more pump fakes, drive in the lane to draw contact might have helped.
We always see defensive adjustments. What about offensive ones.?
You mean like a missed dunk, multiple missed lay ups and blocked shots at the rim? Huh.
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2024, 09:45:26 AM
You mean like a missed dunk, multiple missed lay ups and blocked shots at the rim? Huh.
Those were mainly in the first half. I went back through the game log to confirm, and there were two missed layups in the 2nd.Each time we cut it to 8 and had the ball. we missed threes, nothing at the rim. NC state had 3 blocks in the game. Burns and Diarra had 3 fouls attack the rim,
Its analagous to an NFL defense dropping a couple extra guys in coverage. You may have ro change your offense. We shouldnt be shooting more 3s than 2s
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2024, 09:32:46 AM
They kept shooting the right shots. They missed. Alas.
Exactly. https://twitter.com/jaredleesmith/status/1773884488076124339
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2024, 09:32:46 AM
They kept shooting the right shots. They missed. Alas.
But what if they tried shooting the wrong shots? 🤔
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2024, 11:28:23 AM
Exactly. https://twitter.com/jaredleesmith/status/1773884488076124339
This is why this will sting for a while. Playing at or close to your standard and losing is one thing, picking the most important game of the season to play by far your absolute worst is just hard to get over.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 30, 2024, 11:40:11 AM
But what if they tried shooting the wrong shots? 🤔
Maybe I could teach them my shot selection from my Helfaer intramural days? :D
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 30, 2024, 11:52:56 AM
This is why this will sting for a while. Playing at or close to your standard and losing is one thing, picking the most important game of the season to play by far your absolute worst is just hard to get over.
It clearly wasn't a coaching issue. They should have one based on shots created.
Maybe the relationship angle goes too far. When one was bricking they all were bricking.
Quote from: warriors141 on March 29, 2024, 08:03:11 PM
offensively nothing else he can do........guys are just missing open shots and making uncharacteristically bad decisions
he can adjust. his teams have been losing big games/tourney games in this manner since long before he got to marquette. when you play five-out and you eschew offensive rebounding for getting back on defense, that's going to put you into a hole whenever you have a bad shooting night against a good team. Shaka has no answer for this other than to pray that the threes start falling. his teams have been losing like this for years and yet he's got no back up plan that involves taking fewer threes and actually trying for offensive rebounds and second chance points. his only plan, no matter how many times this happens, is to watch his team heave up more threes and pray they go in. this is who he is. this is how his teams bow out.
Shaka has underachieved in the tourney for so long and at multiple schools that it's exceedingly unlikely to be due to random chance. Early VCU looks like a fluke now, and playing with house money is a lot easier than playing up to your seeding.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 30, 2024, 08:54:00 AM
I mean, this guy certainly seems to be insinuating it:
Everything about that post indicates a belief Shaka can't win bigger than this.
at some pointWe're not there yet, but it would have been better not to have lost.
Exit 3 or 4 more times like this and I'll say "Shaka can't win bigger than this"
Frustrating, because this year could have been the year to put all of that to bed.
This thread needs a remindme! button
Quote from: The Rural Juror on March 30, 2024, 12:14:47 PM
he can adjust. his teams have been losing big games/tourney games in this manner since long before he got to marquette. when you play five-out and you eschew offensive rebounding for getting back on defense, that's going to put you into a hole whenever you have a bad shooting night against a good team. Shaka has no answer for this other than to pray that the threes start falling. his teams have been losing like this for years and yet he's got no back up plan that involves taking fewer threes and actually trying for offensive rebounds and second chance points. his only plan, no matter how many times this happens, is to watch his team heave up more threes and pray they go in. this is who he is. this is how his teams bow out.
I think that's a personnel issue. Jop and Oso are not effective scorers at the hoop. If the D takes away the guard drives, then what? The shot quality was there. Even an average shooting game and MU wins easily.
Agree the gameplan was fine and a below average execution-wise performance wins this game by 10.
BUT - isn't the execution choke a part of coaching? Kids were riddled with nerves and overthought themselves all game. A reflection on the Commander in Chief, no?
I will caveat all this by saying I would immediately give Shaka a lifetime contract for whatever amount of money keeps him happy every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 30, 2024, 08:54:00 AM
I mean, this guy certainly seems to be insinuating it:
Everything about that post indicates a belief Shaka can't win bigger than this.
well he never has won bigger than this, other than 2011, when his team in all reality had no business being let in to the tournament. his 2011 vcu team is to this day the worst ever at-large team to be allowed into the tourney. it's wild to think about where he'd be without that inexplicable decision by the committee.
since then his record hasn't been anything to be proud of. in six years at vcu he never once won the league, even though his peers anthony grant, jeff capel, and will wade all won the league at vcu. he never won his league at Texas either (although he did finish dead last with jarrett allen on his team), and he never won a tourney game with the Longhorns despite signing three top 8 national recruiting classes in a four year span.
then there's the loss to abilene christian which got him the boot at Texas. it should have been impossible for Texas to lose that game. ACU had one player over 6'6" while Texas had three nba draft picks in the front court (kai jones, jericho sims, greg brown). they also had veteran guards (matt coleman, andrew jones, courtney ramey). Texas was the blueprint for tourney success- highly athletic 5*, nba talent, lots of experience, and three senior guards. it was a team built to go on a deep run.
not only did Texas lose to ACU and fail to go on a deep run, ACU was objectively terrible against Texas and still won the game. ACU shot 29% from the field and 3–18 from deep, and they still defeated their vastly superior foe. acu's 18-5 edge on offensive rebounds was particularly baffling considering the difference in size, athleticism, and talent. still, it was nowhere near the first time and clearly also was not the last time that shaka smart would lose to a double digit seed as a tourney favorite. he truly is one of the perennial underachievers in the ncaa tourney.
Quote from: The Rural Juror on March 30, 2024, 04:01:31 PM
well he never has won bigger than this, other than 2011, when his team in all reality had no business being let in to the tournament. his 2011 vcu team is to this day the worst ever at-large team to be allowed into the tourney. it's wild to think about where he'd be without that inexplicable decision by the committee.
since then his record hasn't been anything to be proud of. in six years at vcu he never once won the league, even though his peers anthony grant, jeff capel, and will wade all won the league at vcu. he never won his league at Texas either (although he did finish dead last with jarrett allen on his team), and he never won a tourney game with the Longhorns despite signing three top 8 national recruiting classes in a four year span.
then there's the loss to abilene christian which got him the boot at Texas. it should have been impossible for Texas to lose that game. ACU had one player over 6'6" while Texas had three nba draft picks in the front court (kai jones, jericho sims, greg brown). they also had veteran guards (matt coleman, andrew jones, courtney ramey). Texas was the blueprint for tourney success- highly athletic 5*, nba talent, lots of experience, and three senior guards. it was a team built to go on a deep run.
not only did Texas lose to ACU and fail to go on a deep run, ACU was objectively terrible against Texas and still won the game. ACU shot 29% from the field and 3–18 from deep, and they still defeated their vastly superior foe. acu's 18-5 edge on offensive rebounds was particularly baffling considering the difference in size, athleticism, and talent. still, it was nowhere near the first time and clearly also was not the last time that shaka smart would lose to a double digit seed as a tourney favorite. he truly is one of the perennial underachievers in the ncaa tourney.
I'm not reading that but I'm sorry it happened to you or happy for your success
Quote from: The Rural Juror on March 30, 2024, 04:01:31 PM
since then his record hasn't been anything to be proud of.
That is a really stupid statement.
Quote from: The Rural Juror on March 30, 2024, 04:01:31 PM
well he never has won bigger than this, other than 2011, when his team in all reality had no business being let in to the tournament. his 2011 vcu team is to this day the worst ever at-large team to be allowed into the tourney. it's wild to think about where he'd be without that inexplicable decision by the committee.
since then his record hasn't been anything to be proud of. in six years at vcu he never once won the league, even though his peers anthony grant, jeff capel, and will wade all won the league at vcu. he never won his league at Texas either (although he did finish dead last with jarrett allen on his team), and he never won a tourney game with the Longhorns despite signing three top 8 national recruiting classes in a four year span.
then there's the loss to abilene christian which got him the boot at Texas. it should have been impossible for Texas to lose that game. ACU had one player over 6'6" while Texas had three nba draft picks in the front court (kai jones, jericho sims, greg brown). they also had veteran guards (matt coleman, andrew jones, courtney ramey). Texas was the blueprint for tourney success- highly athletic 5*, nba talent, lots of experience, and three senior guards. it was a team built to go on a deep run.
not only did Texas lose to ACU and fail to go on a deep run, ACU was objectively terrible against Texas and still won the game. ACU shot 29% from the field and 3–18 from deep, and they still defeated their vastly superior foe. acu's 18-5 edge on offensive rebounds was particularly baffling considering the difference in size, athleticism, and talent. still, it was nowhere near the first time and clearly also was not the last time that shaka smart would lose to a double digit seed as a tourney favorite. he truly is one of the perennial underachievers in the ncaa tourney.
This is accurate but doesn't fit the slurper narrative who are content with perrenial underachievement as long as we make the tourney. Maybe a critical mass of them will wake up by 2028...
Quote from: Hamburgler on March 30, 2024, 04:16:41 PM
This is accurate but doesn't fit the slurper narrative who are content with perrenial underachievement as long as we make the tourney. Maybe a critical mass of them will wake up by 2028...
He's doing way better than your guy Porter. I can't remember who said it, but if you go back three years ago and said "here is what the next three years will bring..." 99.9% of the fanbase would have said "sign me up."
Quote from: Hamburgler on March 30, 2024, 04:16:41 PM
This is accurate but doesn't fit the slurper narrative who are content with perrenial underachievement as long as we make the tourney. Maybe a critical mass of them will wake up by 2028...
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Yeah, the ones deciding to back a guy who has won 71% of his games over three years, after inheriting a program mired in mediocrity, they're the crazy ones.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 30, 2024, 04:19:11 PM
He's doing way better than your guy Porter. I can't remember who said it, but if you go back three years ago and said "here is what the next three years will bring..." 99.9% of the fanbase would have said "sign me up."
Nice red herring. Enjoy your perennial underachievement.
Quote from: Hamburgler on March 30, 2024, 04:22:00 PM
Nice red herring. Enjoy your perennial underachievement.
Yesterday notwithstanding, I've enjoyed the last three years.
For those pining for a dynasty and also worried we can't compete with NIL, this is reminder to donate to our NIL fund.
Kentucky probably has a massive amount of NIL money. Where did that get them? Remember, there are only so many roster spots at the handful of big NIL programs.
Shaka turning three and four star players into NBA draft picks is a great selling point for Marquette.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 30, 2024, 04:06:22 PM
That is a really stupid statement.
this year was his first trip to the S16 since 2011. he's 5-10 in the tourney since 2011. so uh, no it isn't.
Quote from: The Rural Juror on March 30, 2024, 05:44:50 PM
this year was his first trip to the S16 since 2011. he's 5-10 in the tourney since 2011. so uh, no it isn't.
So he's already on a better trajectory at MU. At MU, he's 3-3 in the tourney.
Stupid ass thread. Shaka wasn't why we shot 4/31 from 3
Quote from: The Rural Juror on March 30, 2024, 05:44:50 PM
this year was his first trip to the S16 since 2011. he's 5-10 in the tourney since 2011. so uh, no it isn't.
Yeah it is. He's done a lot to be proud of as a coach.
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on March 30, 2024, 06:02:27 PM
Stupid ass thread. Shaka wasn't why we shot 4/31 from 3
Nevada is
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2024, 06:01:53 PM
So he's already on a better trajectory at MU. At MU, he's 3-3 in the tourney.
shaka in the tourney at marquette:
2022: lost by 32 points in an 8 vs 9 game
2023: beat 15 seed vermont, lost 69-60 in a 2 vs 7 game
2024: beat 15 seed wku, beat 10 seed colorado, lost to 11 seed nc state
his best win in the tourney at marquette is a round of 32 win vs 10 seed colorado despite marquette getting back to back 2 seeds. this after going 0-3 in the tourney in six years at Texas, with losses to nevada, northern iowa, and abilene christian. aside from one miracle run in 2011 he has repeatedly underachieved in the ncaa tourney.
He will have many years to figure it out.
Hamburgler and rural juror obviously the same poster.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 30, 2024, 09:03:20 PM
Hamburgler and rural juror obviously the same poster.
Cant respond to the inconvenient facts that don't fit your narrative?
Quote from: Hamburgler on March 30, 2024, 04:16:41 PM
This is accurate but doesn't fit the slurper narrative who are content with perrenial underachievement as long as we make the tourney. Maybe a critical mass of them will wake up by 2028...
How dare you guys speak out factual content critical of Shaka against Satan's speculative narrative. One thing we can be thankful for.Shaka is a far improvement from Wojo who Satan likely supported to the bitter end
Quote from: willie warrior on March 31, 2024, 08:09:40 AM
How dare you guys speak out factual content critical of Shaka against Satan's speculative narrative. One thing we can be thankful for.Shaka is a far improvement from Wojo who Satan likely supported to the bitter end
Me? Nope. I was suggesting he should be fired early in his last year.
But you trash every coach and player so it's pretty hard to take any of your criticisms seriously.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 31, 2024, 08:11:27 AM
Me? Nope. I was suggesting he should be fired early in his last year.
But you trash every coach and player so it's pretty hard to take any of your criticisms seriously.
Wrong again. I never trashed Al, Raymonds, Majerus, O Neil, and only Crean for his I4 ending. So you are wrong, as usual. It is very hard Satan to take any of your hippie hyperbole seriously
Shaka's record at Texas was remarkably similar to Wojo's at MU.
He has shown the ability over the last 3 seasons to be able to out a team on the floor that doesn't just compete in the Big East, but thrives.
We are lucky to have Shaka as long as he'll have us. Hopefully for a long long time. Any other narrative is frankly, insane.
I don't use that word lightly or often, probably never on scoop or in writing. But it fits here. Don't be insane. Wake up.
Hopefully the people in power and with the money show him the love and embrace him with a long contract full of money and love and appreciation. I'm sure they will. What a great season.
I've never been more proud of MU ball since I've been following them. What a great fun team to watch the last two years under Shaka. Close second is Wade's teams. Shaka long term gives us another shot at the big time. And with players we can be proud of.
He embraces what MU is about in an authentic way. Players will leave MU as better people, better players, and ready to contribute to the world. And win while in college. Love him. I'm confident those that matter do as well. I hope he will have us for a long time.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 31, 2024, 08:20:19 AM
Wrong again. I never trashed Al, Raymonds, Majerus, O Neil, and only Crean for his I4 ending. So you are wrong, as usual. It is very hard Satan to take any of your hippie hyperbole seriously
I am sure that if Scoop were around in Al's days, you would have trashed him too. It's your nature.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 30, 2024, 04:54:35 PM
For those pining for a dynasty and also worried we can't compete with NIL, this is reminder to donate to our NIL fund.
Exactly.
Make a complaint jar. Like a swear jar. Every time you complain about MU drop a buck in a jar. Turn it over to NIL.
Quote from: tower912 on March 31, 2024, 02:34:59 PM
Make a complaint jar. Like a swear jar. Every time you complain about MU drop a buck in a jar. Turn it over to NIL.
Why do you want to bankrupt willie?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 31, 2024, 08:33:31 AM
I am sure that if Scoop were around in Al's days, you would have trashed him too. It's your
nature.
You don't have a clue about that.
And you are wrong as usual. I just proved your BS statement wrong and now you digress to denigrating when you do not know me. Guess you go to the ignore button.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 31, 2024, 05:08:20 PM
You don't have a clue about that.
And you are wrong as usual. I just proved your BS statement wrong and now you digress to denigrating when you do not know me. Guess you go to the ignore button.
You didn't prove anything.
This thread is fun
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 09, 2025, 04:55:00 PMThis thread is fun
Started by the guy who just yesterday compared Shaka to Wojo.
Resurrected a thread that is 10 months old.
Guess it will come up every time the team hits a rough stretch.
On Scoop, hot bad takes are forever. You are only as good as your dumbest take.
Shaka's great, he has built a great culture and done a superb job in developing guys and making his teams more than the sum of their parts. I hope we keep him for a long time. But, for this fan at least, I stand by NCAA success that also needs to come - we've had a taste. Who do we talk about as his best peer-contemporaries - TJO and Nate Oates? Nate has 2 conf. titles, 2 S16s, a FF and 4 appearances in 4 years. TJO has 2 S16s and 3 appearances in 3 years. Shaka? 1 S16, 1 conf title and 3 appearances in 3 years. Worse than Oates - maybe say equal to TJO (trade the S16 for the title?). He's there with those guys - but which one is most likely to get a natty?
Almost more than anything else this year, I'd like to see Shaka win at least one NCAAT game that he shouldn't - or, frankly, even a toss-up. Our 3 NCAAT wins are against 2 15 seeds and a 10 seed. We've lost to an 8, an 11 and 7. TJO has beat a 3, a 6, a 7 and a 16 and lost to a 3, a 10, and an 11. That could be a real silver lining if we don't right the ship as well as we should over the next 7. Make the S16 as a 5 seed beating a 4 seed? That would be a positive for me and I'd almost rather see that than make the S16 as a 2 seed (but, of course, I'd MUCH rather go E8 as a 2 seed than make the S16 as a 5 seed).
I'm not saying we should (or could) have hired either of those guys - or that I would "trade" Shaka for either of them even now. But I'm saying they're probably the best "peers" for Shaka.
You don't care about NCAAT success? You just want a coach the fields a competitive team that can give you "entertaining" losses and is high character? That's fine too. But I don't think you can argue that Shaka is still unproven when it comes to NCAAT success at MU and that if that's your criteria for a forever coach its fair for the jury to still be out.
Because if we're ever gonna win a natty, we'll likely have to win at least 1 NCATT game we "shouldn't"
Quote from: 1SE on February 10, 2025, 06:24:52 AMShaka's great, he has built a great culture and done a superb job in developing guys and making his teams more than the sum of their parts. I hope we keep him for a long time. But, for this fan at least, I stand by NCAA success that also needs to come - we've had a taste. Who do we talk about as his best peer-contemporaries - TJO and Nate Oates? Nate has 2 conf. titles, 2 S16s, a FF and 4 appearances in 4 years. TJO has 2 S16s and 3 appearances in 3 years. Shaka? 1 S16, 1 conf title and 3 appearances in 3 years. Worse than Oates - maybe say equal to TJO (trade the S16 for the title?). He's there with those guys - but which one is most likely to get a natty?
Almost more than anything else this year, I'd like to see Shaka win at least one NCAAT game that he shouldn't - or, frankly, even a toss-up. Our 3 NCAAT wins are against 2 15 seeds and a 10 seed. We've lost to an 8, an 11 and 7. TJO has beat a 3, a 6, a 7 and a 16 and lost to a 3, a 10, and an 11. That could be a real silver lining if we don't right the ship as well as we should over the next 7. Make the S16 as a 5 seed beating a 4 seed? That would be a positive for me and I'd almost rather see that than make the S16 as a 2 seed (but, of course, I'd MUCH rather go E8 as a 2 seed than make the S16 as a 5 seed).
I'm not saying we should (or could) have hired either of those guys - or that I would "trade" Shaka for either of them even now. But I'm saying they're probably the best "peers" for Shaka.
You don't care about NCAAT success? You just want a coach the fields a competitive team that can give you "entertaining" losses and is high character? That's fine too. But I don't think you can argue that Shaka is still unproven when it comes to NCAAT success at MU and that if that's your criteria for a forever coach its fair for the jury to still be out.
You compared him to Wojo.
Quote from: 1SE on February 10, 2025, 06:24:52 AMShaka's great, he has built a great culture and done a superb job in developing guys and making his teams more than the sum of their parts. I hope we keep him for a long time. But, for this fan at least, I stand by NCAA success that also needs to come - we've had a taste. Who do we talk about as his best peer-contemporaries - TJO and Nate Oates? Nate has 2 conf. titles, 2 S16s, a FF and 4 appearances in 4 years. TJO has 2 S16s and 3 appearances in 3 years. Shaka? 1 S16, 1 conf title and 3 appearances in 3 years. Worse than Oates - maybe say equal to TJO (trade the S16 for the title?). He's there with those guys - but which one is most likely to get a natty?
Almost more than anything else this year, I'd like to see Shaka win at least one NCAAT game that he shouldn't - or, frankly, even a toss-up. Our 3 NCAAT wins are against 2 15 seeds and a 10 seed. We've lost to an 8, an 11 and 7. TJO has beat a 3, a 6, a 7 and a 16 and lost to a 3, a 10, and an 11. That could be a real silver lining if we don't right the ship as well as we should over the next 7. Make the S16 as a 5 seed beating a 4 seed? That would be a positive for me and I'd almost rather see that than make the S16 as a 2 seed (but, of course, I'd MUCH rather go E8 as a 2 seed than make the S16 as a 5 seed).
I'm not saying we should (or could) have hired either of those guys - or that I would "trade" Shaka for either of them even now. But I'm saying they're probably the best "peers" for Shaka.
You don't care about NCAAT success? You just want a coach the fields a competitive team that can give you "entertaining" losses and is high character? That's fine too. But I don't think you can argue that Shaka is still unproven when it comes to NCAAT success at MU and that if that's your criteria for a forever coach its fair for the jury to still be out.
Dude, he's in Year 4 at MU, and largely has overachieved every year to get to the 2 seed line the last two years. Unfortunately they didn't advance further in the NCAA's each of the last two years, but FFS his time at MU has been the best since Al. And he's an absolute star of a human being. I liked Buzz, but Buzz was an odd duck, for sure.
Beyond this, some of Scoop is melting down because we lost 3 games in a row to 3 of the the top Big East teams, two of which were on the road. A coach can only do so much, and in each of the last 3 games, there have been massive outliers as far as expected outcomes based on shot quality.
People questioning or complaining about this team and its coaching, honestly come off as spoiled brats. The team plays its heart out, and Shaka is an amazing leader and without question a Top 10 coach in the sport. Yet we have some fans dissatisfied??
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 10, 2025, 11:04:23 AMDude, he's in Year 4 at MU, and largely has overachieved every year to get to the 2 seed line the last two years. Unfortunately they didn't advance further in the NCAA's each of the last two years, but FFS his time at MU has been the best since Al. And he's an absolute star of a human being. I liked Buzz, but Buzz was an odd duck, for sure.
Beyond this, some of Scoop is melting down because we lost 3 games in a row to 3 of the the top Big East teams, two of which were on the road. A coach can only do so much, and in each of the last 3 games, there have been massive outliers as far as expected outcomes based on shot quality.
People questioning or complaining about this team and its coaching, honestly come off as spoiled brats. The team plays its heart out, and Shaka is an amazing leader and without question a Top 10 coach in the sport. Yet we have some fans dissatisfied??
Agree with just about all of this. I'm not sure I agree he's a top 10 coach in college basketball, and definitely don't agree it's without question. Boarder line for me.
Love Shaka, but without a doubt (to me) better coaches include Hurley, Self, Sampson, Painter, Few, Izzo, Pitino, Pearl, Barnes. Think Scott Drew, Oates, Lloyd, Otzelberger, and Scheyer all have a case to be made.
But I'll take Shaka here for as long as he wants to be here. And I'll take being a 2 seed (or better) as often as possible. Keep getting bights at the apple. We'll break through at some point.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 10, 2025, 11:39:28 AMAgree with just about all of this. I'm not sure I agree he's a top 10 coach in college basketball, and definitely don't agree it's without question. Boarder line for me.
Love Shaka, but without a doubt (to me) better coaches include Hurley, Self, Sampson, Painter, Few, Izzo, Pitino, Pearl, Barnes. Think Scott Drew, Oates, Lloyd, Otzelberger, and Scheyer all have a case to be made.
But I'll take Shaka here for as long as he wants to be here. And I'll take being a 2 seed (or better) as often as possible. Keep getting bights at the apple. We'll break through at some point.
I'm willing to trade the lack of "win an NCAA game he shouldn't" with "Had no business being seeded as high as they achieved in the first few years". You're complaining that they simply overachieved expectations in the season too much so that makes the NCAA losses worse.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 10, 2025, 11:04:23 AMDude, he's in Year 4 at MU, and largely has overachieved every year to get to the 2 seed line the last two years. Unfortunately they didn't advance further in the NCAA's each of the last two years, but FFS his time at MU has been the best since Al. And he's an absolute star of a human being. I liked Buzz, but Buzz was an odd duck, for sure.
Beyond this, some of Scoop is melting down because we lost 3 games in a row to 3 of the the top Big East teams, two of which were on the road. A coach can only do so much, and in each of the last 3 games, there have been massive outliers as far as expected outcomes based on shot quality.
People questioning or complaining about this team and its coaching, honestly come off as spoiled brats. The team plays its heart out, and Shaka is an amazing leader and without question a Top 10 coach in the sport. Yet we have some fans dissatisfied??
Without question a Top 10 coach in the sport?
Alot of great coaches out there.....there certainly is a question if Shaka is top 10.
Shaka might or might not be a top-10 coach in college basketball today, but this definitely is a top-10 dopey thread on Scoop in the last year. And that's saying something.
Ya gotta love the general sentiment of it:
"I'm not saying I don't want Shaka, but I want somebody better than Shaka."
Quote from: MU82 on February 10, 2025, 12:33:10 PMShaka might or might not be a top-10 coach in college basketball today, but this definitely is a top-10 dopey thread on Scoop in the last year. And that's saying something.
Ya gotta love the general sentiment of it:
"I'm not saying I don't want Shaka, but I want somebody better than Shaka."
My 3 choices are unchanged:
Brad Stevens, Bruce Pearl or Travis Diener
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 10, 2025, 11:53:43 AMI'm willing to trade the lack of "win an NCAA game he shouldn't" with "Had no business being seeded as high as they achieved in the first few years". You're complaining that they simply overachieved expectations in the season too much so that makes the NCAA losses worse.
Exactly - I would gladly trade a lower seed for a deeper run. A season that ends at the s16 as a 10 seed is better, in my view, than one ending in the 2nd round as a 2 seed. The fact that we got 2s, and then didn't advance as far as we should, is bad - because if you do all the work to get a 2 seed you should make it pay.
But I judge everything about Shaka and the program on NCAAT success. That is all that matters to me. The regular season only matters in how it sets us up for the tourney. I get upset w regular season losses because of how that impacts our tourney prospects. And, on that metric, while Shaka is definitely better than Wojo, he hasn't yet achieved what Buzz (weirdo) or Crean did. Is he a better coach than those guys? Maybe. Does he build a program I like more? Definitely. But he hasn't yet achieved their success.
I get other people have different views of success and that's fine.
And Shaka is definitely not Wojo,but if we stumble bass-ackwards into a 8 seed and duck out in the first round, it won't be a successful season despite what we did in Nov and Dec. I don't think we'll end up there, but the probability is certainly higher now than it was 3 weeks ago.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 10, 2025, 12:02:07 PMWithout question a Top 10 coach in the sport?
Alot of great coaches out there.....there certainly is a question if Shaka is top 10.
I guess in my view I'm looking at the totality of Shaka beyond X's and O's. However, I feel it can easily be argued he's been a Top 10 wins/losses coach each of the last 3 years at MU.
The bigger reason I say without question is based on Shaka as a leader of young men, the impact he makes in these kids lives, how he represents Marquette, how he's navigating the NIL era of CBB, at a school that does NOT have nearly the $$$$ available to compete with football schools.
I mean you could say TJO is a better coach, but the guy just comes off as a massive tool. Bruce Pearl too. Bill Self. Not to mention, Self and Pearl are notorious cheaters in their past.
Shaka is a f'in gift to MU and if some irrational, delusional fans bitch him out of town (similar to what happened in Austin), I feel pretty confident in saying that Marquette hoops will take a big step down.
The argument that we spend Top 10 in Men's college basketball doesn't matter - we did that with Wojo too. And in this day and age of players getting paid 7 figures? You better be damn sure you have a charismatic and brilliant head coach at a school like MU.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 10, 2025, 11:53:43 AMI'm willing to trade the lack of "win an NCAA game he shouldn't" with "Had no business being seeded as high as they achieved in the first few years". You're complaining that they simply overachieved expectations in the season too much so that makes the NCAA losses worse.
I think the "we overachieved" argument tends to lose weight over a full, 35+-game stretch.
If you want to argue that this year's team overachieved over 10-12 games in November and December and is playing now closer to their true capabilities, I'll listen.
But arguing that, for example, the '22-23 team overachieved for 35 games over five months, then came down to earth on a Sunday in mid-March, I'm not buying that. After that many games, you are your record.
Quote from: 1SE on February 10, 2025, 01:28:25 PMExactly - I would gladly trade a lower seed for a deeper run. A season that ends at the s16 as a 10 seed is better, in my view, than one ending in the 2nd round as a 2 seed. The fact that we got 2s, and then didn't advance as far as we should, is bad - because if you do all the work to get a 2 seed you should make it pay.
But I judge everything about Shaka and the program on NCAAT success. That is all that matters to me. The regular season only matters in how it sets us up for the tourney. I get upset w regular season losses because of how that impacts our tourney prospects. And, on that metric, while Shaka is definitely better than Wojo, he hasn't yet achieved what Buzz (weirdo) or Crean did. Is he a better coach than those guys? Maybe. Does he build a program I like more? Definitely. But he hasn't yet achieved their success.
I get other people have different views of success and that's fine.
And Shaka is definitely not Wojo,but if we stumble bass-ackwards into a 8 seed and duck out in the first round, it won't be a successful season despite what we did in Nov and Dec. I don't think we'll end up there, but the probability is certainly higher now than it was 3 weeks ago.
Just to confirm, 2011 > 2023 to you?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 10, 2025, 01:22:29 PMMy 3 choices are unchanged:
Brad Stevens, Bruce Pearl or Travis Diener
Wardle doesn't have the grades?
Quote from: 1SE on February 10, 2025, 01:28:25 PMBut I judge everything about Shaka and the program on NCAAT success. That is all that matters to me.
Whatcha doing here in February? We'll see you March 16th when the season starts.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 10, 2025, 03:17:33 PMWhatcha doing here in February? We'll see you March 16th when the season starts.
Yep, why is he bothering with this all?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 10, 2025, 03:07:10 PMWardle doesn't have the grades?
He lost 3 games in a row. None of the names mentioned above have ever lost 3 games in a row
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 10, 2025, 03:19:39 PMYep, why is he bothering with this all?
So, this guy has had only
6 games in 3 years that he was interested in, and we went 3-3. And he's calling Buzz a "weirdo?" ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: 1SE on February 10, 2025, 06:27:38 AMBecause if we're ever gonna win a natty, we'll likely have to win at least 1 NCATT game we "shouldn't"
Or a couple.
Leave Shaka alone and let him do his work in peace.
He's everything Marquette could hope for.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 10, 2025, 10:33:24 PMLeave Shaka alone and let him do his work in peace.
He's everything Marquette could hope for.
Yep.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 10, 2025, 10:33:24 PMLeave Shaka alone and let him do his work in peace.
He's everything Marquette could hope for.
Are you under the impression that Shaka concerns himself with the ravings of Scoop?
Quote from: Pakuni on February 10, 2025, 11:06:18 PMAre you under the impression that Shaka concerns himself with the ravings of Scoop?
Yes.
He spends 30 minutes on scoop every morning while getting his morning light
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 10, 2025, 03:05:40 PMJust to confirm, 2011 > 2023 to you?
Yep. Would much rather be Cinderella s16 than a 2 seed that doesn't make the second weekend.
Again - that's just my preference - others might have other preferences.
Why am I here? Because where one is seeded matters for their expected (statistical) NCAAT success. The regular season sets up the NCAAT. In years where we fall off the bubble I do pretty much stop watching/caring. My (really one and only) frustration with Shaka to date is that he has underperformed based on his NCAAT seed expectations. If people want to argue that, ok, but it's certainly a reasonable POV given what we've observed. But it's a small sample size and I hope we turn it around this year. There is some argument to be made that there's more opportunity to "overperform" as a lower seed.
Quote from: 1SE on February 11, 2025, 01:15:10 AMYep. Would much rather be Cinderella s16 than a 2 seed that doesn't make the second weekend.
Again - that's just my preference - others might have other preferences.
Why am I here? Because where one is seeded matters for their expected (statistical) NCAAT success. The regular season sets up the NCAAT. In years where we fall off the bubble I do pretty much stop watching/caring. My (really one and only) frustration with Shaka to date is that he has underperformed based on his NCAAT seed expectations. If people want to argue that, ok, but it's certainly a reasonable POV given what we've observed. But it's a small sample size and I hope we turn it around this year. There is some argument to be made that there's more opportunity to "overperform" as a lower seed.
So you would rather go 0-30 in the regular season, win the BET and get to the S16 than win the regular season BE, win the BET, and lose in the 2nd round?
Quote from: MUDPT on February 11, 2025, 05:35:35 AMSo you would rather go 0-30 in the regular season, win the BET and get to the S16 than win the regular season BE, win the BET, and lose in the 2nd round?
I mean the former is pretty unlikely - but it would also be one of the all time great stories in college basketball. They'd probably make a movie about it since it would certainly be a play-in 16 seed making it to the Sweet 16.
Whereas the latter was a nice season by a high-major that ended in disappointment and probably no one other than the fanbase really remember - probably dozens of examples of that.
Quote from: 1SE on February 11, 2025, 01:15:10 AMYep. Would much rather be Cinderella s16 than a 2 seed that doesn't make the second weekend.
Again - that's just my preference - others might have other preferences.
Why am I here? Because where one is seeded matters for their expected (statistical) NCAAT success. The regular season sets up the NCAAT. In years where we fall off the bubble I do pretty much stop watching/caring. My (really one and only) frustration with Shaka to date is that he has underperformed based on his NCAAT seed expectations. If people want to argue that, ok, but it's certainly a reasonable POV given what we've observed. But it's a small sample size and I hope we turn it around this year. There is some argument to be made that there's more opportunity to "overperform" as a lower seed.
It took some on here years to get over Abilene Christian loss.
Quote from: MUDPT on February 11, 2025, 05:35:35 AMSo you would rather go 0-30 in the regular season, win the BET and get to the S16 than win the regular season BE, win the BET, and lose in the 2nd round?
That would be pretty fun, to be honest.
Would be one of the most memorable runs of all time.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 10, 2025, 11:39:28 AMLove Shaka, but without a doubt (to me) better coaches include... Oates
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Quote from: 1SE on February 11, 2025, 05:42:14 AMI mean the former is pretty unlikely - but it would also be one of the all time great stories in college basketball. They'd probably make a movie about it since it would certainly be a play-in 16 seed making it to the Sweet 16.
Whereas the latter was a nice season by a high-major that ended in disappointment and probably no one other than the fanbase really remember - probably dozens of examples of that.
Fair enough. I could see taking that for a Final Four maybe an elite 8 but I think you're over valuing a sweet 16's importance in the lore of college basketball. I can tell you almost every Bug East champion since 08-09 (spoiler most are nova) and I'm sure many Big East fans could as well. Whereas outside of MU I'm very confident almost nobody recalls 94, 11, 12 and even 13. It is remembered if you're there every year like Xavier used to be, but it's not etched in CBB lore unless. It's actually a Cinderella team.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 11, 2025, 09:20:55 AMFair enough. I could see taking that for a Final Four maybe an elite 8 but I think you're over valuing a sweet 16's importance in the lore of college basketball. I can tell you almost every Bug East champion since 08-09 (spoiler most are nova) and I'm sure many Big East fans could as well. Whereas outside of MU I'm very confident almost nobody recalls 94, 11, 12 and even 13. It is remembered if you're there every year like Xavier used to be, but it's not etched in CBB lore unless. It's actually a Cinderella team.
I mean I think everyone who "knows ball" would remember an 0-30 team that made the S16. I think everyone who "knows ball" would also remember a 16-seed play-in who made the S16.
And again, lots of people value regular season conference accolades - that's great. I mean they're nice, and it was fun and exciting to win the BE, but for me I don't really care about them as much given the conference churn - but different strokes for different folks. I'd probably rather than an in-season #1 ranking
Quote from: 1SE on February 11, 2025, 01:42:10 PMI mean I think everyone who "knows ball" would remember an 0-30 team that made the S16. I think everyone who "knows ball" would also remember a 16-seed play-in who made the S16.
And again, lots of people value regular season conference accolades - that's great. I mean they're nice, and it was fun and exciting to win the BE, but for me I don't really care about them as much given the conference churn - but different strokes for different folks. I'd probably rather than an in-season #1 ranking
Suffering Willard for 30 loses sounds like fun