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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mileskishnish72 on March 02, 2024, 03:35:58 PM

Title: Open 3’s
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 02, 2024, 03:35:58 PM
As much as I admired the MU effort today, I was struck by the number of completely open 3's we gave up. And this was against a team we knew could shoot 3's. In fact, it seems to happen when we're at full strength.
Could a more knowledgeable hoops savant explain why our defensive scheme gives these up?
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: tower912 on March 02, 2024, 03:38:52 PM
Just like MU, Creighton does everything to generate them.  Combined with having to help on Kalkbrenner.   It worked for them today.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: jesmu84 on March 02, 2024, 03:42:03 PM
Marquette took away the rim. Creighton made the 3s. Hats off
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: brewcity77 on March 02, 2024, 03:44:42 PM
We needed to play zone to keep the short roster fresh. It happens.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: The Sultan on March 02, 2024, 03:46:08 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 02, 2024, 03:44:42 PM
We needed to play zone to keep the short roster fresh. It happens.

And I don't think they ran the action to get 55 open in the corner all game. Smart call by McDermott there.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: We R Final Four on March 02, 2024, 03:46:45 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 02, 2024, 03:44:42 PM
We needed to play zone to keep the short roster fresh. It happens.
We couldn't keep track of Baylor enough to make it effective.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on March 02, 2024, 03:52:40 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 02, 2024, 03:46:08 PM
And I don't think they ran the action to get 55 open in the corner all game. Smart call by McDermott there.

Yep, and he knew we had to track him the entire baseline while gassed. I know Stevie fell asleep on one, but the play call was smart. 55 made a couple big shots
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: MU82 on March 02, 2024, 03:57:51 PM
As a coach, you always have to give up something to a good team. Creighton spreads the floor with good shooters, moves well without the ball, and has a 7-footer with talent to play inside. Someone's gonna be open quite often ... just as we often had open shooters when we were on offense.

Plus, in that last stretch, our guys were pretty exhausted IMHO.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: Big Papi on March 02, 2024, 04:00:07 PM
I'm guessing part of the issue:

1. We had 3 of our players out for this game.
2. Two of them are our best 2 players. 
3. One of them a very late scratch.
4. Freshmen with limited minutes and experience had to play more minutes. 
5. Our starters had to play a lot more minutes. 
6. Limited substitutions due to all of the above.
7. Breakneck pace in the first half with very little stoppage time. 

Yea I guess we could have played better defensively.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 02, 2024, 07:15:00 PM
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Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: marqfan22 on March 03, 2024, 10:23:06 AM
Over the last month, Gold is 8/32 on 3's (25%). He's getting wide open looks too.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: DoctorV on March 03, 2024, 11:28:56 AM
Quote from: marqfan22 on March 03, 2024, 10:23:06 AM
Over the last month, Gold is 8/32 on 3's (25%). He's getting wide open looks too.

No bueno.

That said, he will continue to log minutes and he will continue to get the open looks, so hopefully over the next month he's 35+% from 3.
In a sample size of 30ish attempts that's
11-12 makes.

I still have a feeling, and I'm not sure why, that Benny will be pressed into heavy action in an elimination game that Oso gets into foul trouble in.
In that game it'll be important that he makes 3+ for Marquette to survive and advance.

I think he has it in him, and more importantly I think Shaka has prepared him and the team well for that moment if it comes, and that's what's most important in the regular season.

Can't have the completely lost deer in headlights on the biggest stage, and Marquette won't have that when Ben steps in.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: Goose on March 03, 2024, 11:33:41 AM
If MU is going to go deep in the tournament, they Ben did shot much better. That said, yesterday definitely skewed his numbers over the past month, but he needed to make a couple more yesterday and he didn't. That needs to change in a couple of weeks because he is going to get a ton of good looks.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: mugrad_89 on March 03, 2024, 11:35:21 AM
Quote from: MU82 on March 02, 2024, 03:57:51 PM
As a coach, you always have to give up something to a good team. Creighton spreads the floor with good shooters, moves well without the ball, and has a 7-footer with talent to play inside. Someone's gonna be open quite often ... just as we often had open shooters when we were on offense.

Plus, in that last stretch, our guys were pretty exhausted IMHO.

I thought from about the 8 minute mark of the first half til 4 minutes left, they did a good job defending the three. Unfortunately in the last four minutes they were late on some rotations that cost them.  Fatigue definitely played a factor there.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 03, 2024, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: marqfan22 on March 03, 2024, 10:23:06 AM
Over the last month, Gold is 8/32 on 3's (25%). He's getting wide open looks too.

Before yesterday, Gold had been shooting 37.1% over his last 10. He had a separate stretch earlier in the season where he shot 42.9% over 11 games. Unfortunately, he has streaks in the middle of even less than the 25% he's shooting over the last month.

He's a streaky shooter. Hopefully he hits another hot streak starting selection Sunday.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: zcg2013 on March 03, 2024, 03:03:59 PM
Feels like even on open 3s he rushes a bit and loses arc.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: Newsdreams on March 03, 2024, 09:31:08 PM
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 02, 2024, 03:35:58 PM
As much as I admired the MU effort today, I was struck by the number of completely open 3's we gave up. And this was against a team we knew could shoot 3's. In fact, it seems to happen when we're at full strength.
Could a more knowledgeable hoops savant explain why our defensive scheme gives these up?
From what I've seen MU's D is geared to over pack strong side of the ball, weak side is almost left open. Those responsible for weak side are close to the paint to take away 2's, if they don't closeout the 3's on weak side fast enough, pray. By the end of game they were not getting there leading to wide open 3s.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: MUUWUWM on March 03, 2024, 10:16:11 PM
  We had so many open 3 looks and could  not  hit them.
Title: Re: Open 3’s
Post by: willie warrior on March 04, 2024, 10:03:37 AM
Quote from: marqfan22 on March 03, 2024, 10:23:06 AM
Over the last month, Gold is 8/32 on 3's (25%). He's getting wide open looks too.
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