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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on March 02, 2024, 03:26:53 PM
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1. I love this team. Fearless.
2. Eeyores worried about next season, stop. (Unless Kam leaves, too.)
3. Zaide blocking Kalkbrenner twice.
4. It can be argued that Shaka waited too long to call timeouts in both halves. His team needed a moment to rest and regroup.
5. BC77 corrected me, pointing out that what I thought would be the starting lineup next season hadn't played together. They have now.
6. Assuming TKo heals, this game is going to serve MU so well come tourney time.
7. Long stretches without stoppages and short benches equals tired legs.
8. 3 straight 3s down the stretch equals daggers. Alas.
9. Anybody who is not impressed and proud of how MU played today, turn in your fan card.
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No such thing as moral victories but they played hard.
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No such thing as moral victories but they played hard.
But there are losses you can live with and learn from.
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Played extremely well for 90% of the game - unfortunately things went off the rails for the final 10% of the game.
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Hell of an effort. Getting healthy is most important thing moving forward.
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Big congrats to nyg, who netted a cool $9.09 this afternoon betting against his alma mater.
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Proud of these guys. Great effort.
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Great effort all around. Really proud of the team. We have a heck of a program.
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Big congrats to nyg, who netted a cool $9.09 this afternoon betting against his alma mater.
He bet against our team??? Inexcusable.
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I’d love to face the Jays again at MSG when we’re at full strength and kick the s out of them
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To score 75 and have the momentum until 4 mins left with 7 players (and 3 of those seven weren’t right (to me Ross wasn’t feeling well and def Norman and kam hobbled) is pretty damn inspiring
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We definitely had a chance late to get the W, championship mentality ticked up another notch for the guys today. Needed everything the last four minutes, just didn’t have it. CU ended hot, we didn’t. Good game
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Any update on the norovirus??
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Took em to the end tired and shorthanded. Good effort boys. Get healthy.
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Unfortunate final score. Game was much closer. MU really showed heart. Interestingly, MU missed Kolek and Oso as much on defense as offense. Good experience for the bench. Hit from 3 at a reasonable rate and maybe they pull this out. But the computers won’t care.
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Solid effort by our guys. Players learned a lot in a game like today.
Stevie Mitchell is an extremely valuable player. Kids like him don’t grow on trees.
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It was a tremendous effort, but an extremely disappointing final 5 mins. Now, it may serve us well down the road Tower but for now it still hurts. The opportunity was there imo.
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Proud of them. Wish a few more of those open threes fell, but the fight was incredible.
Get rested. Get healthy.
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It was a tremendous effort, but an extremely disappointing final 5 mins. Now, it may serve us well down the road Tower but for now it still hurts. The opportunity was there imo.
Thought we hit the wall a little earlier than the last 5 min I think. Creighton missed some wide open 3s from about the 8 to 5 min mark which kept us in a few min longer.
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One thing I didn't understand is Chase Ross taking 3 shots total as a starter. And he hit a three early. That said, it was more about the defense down the stretch and some unfortunate possessions.
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Would’ve loved a one possession game for any piss ants who took Creighton and the points
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Today was a great effort that may well yield significant late-season improvement. That was the most complete Joplin has looked offensively in a Marquette uniform. Kam can carry the load without the big three deflecting attention. Zaide can be a legit defensive force.
Get better Oso and TK.
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Wondering if Chase is completely healthy and there's some minutes management going on.
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One thing I didn't understand is Chase Ross taking 3 shots total as a starter. And he hit a three early. That said, it was more about the defense down the stretch and some unfortunate possessions.
Again - looking at him out there today I’m convinced he has the bug too
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Proud of them. Wish a few more of those open threes fell, but the fight was incredible.
Get rested. Get healthy.
Fair. We had many, many open looks and unfortunately could not make them.
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Gold needed to hit a couple of his open three shots. He was wide open and they left open. He could have turned things our way a couple of times.
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Again - looking at him out there today I’m convinced he has the big too
Figures. Smh.
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Re: no. 9
Totally agree.
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Big congrats to nyg, who netted a cool $9.09 this afternoon betting against his alma mater.
Just can’t let it go can you. That’s like 4 different posts you made against me after I advised I made a wager. It’s a sports bet, a sports bet. Does not mean I wasnt rooting for the team, I bet against my Jets almost every game, still root for them. Rather lose the bet if team could have pulled it out. It’s a sports bet, so now you label me as non fan.
I have been on this site for 17 years, so I am a non fan because I took an opportunity to make a pretty good wager. Just grow up and stop acting like a child. Always respected Warriorchicks posts over the years, guess she feels the same, guess perception thing. Oh well, is what it is.
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Marquette left nothing on the table. They will all remember this game but there will be no regrets. There effort is inspiring to us all. Get healthy and we go to another level.
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Love this team, great effort today.
- Great to see Gold play well on the road. Thought he got tired down the stretch.
- While Ben played well overall, he still misses a ton of open 3s. He was 1 -8 today and all open looks. Has he ever missed a short long?
- Glad Shaka took Tre after that terrible shot selection. Have confidence but be smart.
- needed Kam, Stevie and Jop to step up today and they all delivered. Jop defense still needs work though, hes the only player that loses focus/intensity each game
- Nice to see Zaide get some minutes and contribute.
- Surprised Chase didn’t have an impact.
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But there are losses you can live with and learn from.
losing sucks, bro. Period.
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Big congrats to nyg, who netted a cool $9.09 this afternoon betting against his alma mater.
Who cares.
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Just can’t let it go can you. That’s like 4 different posts you made against me after I advised I made a wager. It’s a sports bet, a sports bet. Does not mean I wasnt rooting for the team, I bet against my Jets almost every game, still root for them. Rather lose the bet if team could have pulled it out. It’s a sports bet, so now you label me as non fan.
I have been on this site for 17 years, so I am a non fan because I took an opportunity to make a pretty good wager. Just grow up and stop acting like a child. Always respected Warriorchicks posts over the years, guess she feels the same, guess perception thing. Oh well, is what it is.
I'm sorry man, I had no idea you were a Jets fan. Take care.
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Kolek out, Oso out, Kam favoring an ankle very early in the game and later as well, Tre puking and then coming back in briefly and our guys were down just a few points late. I'm not going to go with the moral victory theme, but the toughness shown in this game was absolutely phenomenal. SO proud of our team.
Bitch if you want about the missed 3's, but I'm not willing to join anyone criticizing the team in any way today.
The weird thing is that this game has made me more optimistic about our chances for a natty.
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Love this team, great effort today.
- Great to see Gold play well on the road. Thought he got tired down the stretch.
- While Ben played well overall, he still misses a ton of open 3s. He was 1 -8 today and all open looks. Has he ever missed a short long?
- Glad Shaka took Tre after that terrible shot selection. Have confidence but be smart.
- needed Kam, Stevie and Jop to step up today and they all delivered. Jop defense still needs work though, hes the only player that loses focus/intensity each game
- Nice to see Zaide get some minutes and contribute.
- Surprised Chase didn’t have an impact.
Norman was puking in first half - again - I think multiple guys beyond Oso have the Noravirus going around too - all the more impressive of effort - gas tank emptied at 3 1/2 minutes
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Wondering if Chase is completely healthy and there's some minutes management going on.
Yes…..when hes not playing well his minutes are managed.
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I told my wife, "This is gonna sound corny, but I'm real proud of these guys."
2-point game with 4:15 to play ... on the road against a top-15 team ... without our 2 best players. Pretty effen amazing performance, really.
Could've survived Kolek's absence in this one IMHO, but not having Oso to dominate Kalkbrenner was a killer.
Needed more offense from Gold - hit a couple of those wide-open 3s and it changes the way Kalkbrenner can play D. And needed more everything from Ross, but as others said he didn't look anywhere near 100% out there.
Lowery really played well for us. Stevie's such a damn good basketball player. Great game from Joplin, as well as he's ever played. Posterizing Kalkbrenner was marvelous.
I've been saying all season that Kam can play in the NBA, and these last 4 games sure haven't made me feel any differently.
Give us a healthy team and take 2 of Alexander, Kalkbrenner and Scheierman away from them. We'd have won by 20!
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losing sucks, bro. Period.
So does having no perspective, bro.
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These guys deserve a lot of credit for their effort today. A lot of fight.
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So does having no perspective, bro.
Viper is a moron
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9. Anybody who is not impressed and proud of how MU played today, turn in your fan card.
Agree, see other thread :(
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Have we heard from Farley yet?
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With everything stacked up against this team today, no need to highlight any negatives.
Loved the following:
1. Gold playing some very good defense in the first half and taking it to the hole a few times.
2. Jop expanding his offensive game. Better drives to the hoop, better decision making, better finishing. Great to see.
3. Stevie being more offensive minded is huge.
4. ZL had a very good game. Hit some 3s and played some good defense.
5. Kam being the man in the first half even as he is getting beat up.
High hopes for some extended runs in both tournaments.
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Have we heard from Farley yet?
I wasn't rude to anyone in the game thread so no.
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So does having no perspective, bro.
I sent you a PM and you were cool. What’s up?
BG had a nice floor game, imo. Kam played well. Jop played well. Stevie played well. Everyone competed. But, don’t we all agree that losing games, regardless of effort, intangible's etc, leaves a sour taste? I guess I’ve never been down w/moral victories. It win…or lose.
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Viper is a moron
thx.
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I sent you a PM and you were cool. What’s up?
BG had a nice floor game, imo. Kam played well. Jop played well. Stevie played well. Everyone competed. But, don’t we all agree that losing games, regardless of effort, intangible's etc, leaves a sour taste? I guess I’ve never been down w/moral victories. It win…or lose.
There's that perspective.
Losing does suck but not all losses feel the same based on circumstances.
Yeah, we had a chance to steal one but I come out of this game feeling much more positive than disappointed or negative. And I question anyone that doesn't feel the same.
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I sent you a PM and you were cool. What’s up?
BG had a nice floor game, imo. Kam played well. Jop played well. Stevie played well. Everyone competed. But, don’t we all agree that losing games, regardless of effort, intangible's etc, leaves a sour taste? I guess I’ve never been down w/moral victories. It win…or lose.
You’re an older adult getting upset at a bunch of college kids representing your alma mater, who played short handed all game, and gave a strong effort in the process. And you’re going to “whatever” those who are proud of that?
Grow up.
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This year is not over, but I feel pretty good about Shaka and team next year (assuming Kam comes back)...
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You’re an older adult getting upset at a bunch of college kids representing your alma mater, who played short handed all game, and gave a strong effort in the process. And you’re going to “whatever” those who are proud of that?
Grow up.
you felt the need to answer for VBMG? He replied. All good. And, not upset. Frustrated with the L would be more fitting. You can disagree with me, and you typically do. That’s cool, I’m good with that… but chill with the scolding.
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This year is not over, but I feel pretty good about Shaka and team next year (assuming Kam comes back)...
I said the same in the game thread. We just need one more guard even if Sean gets healthy quicker than expected. Doesn’t need to be a stud but depth is a bit thin there.
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Only 7 assists today, which is completely understandable considering we were missing the two guys who the offense flows through, including the best PG in the country.
A lot of talent coming back next season but what Shaka does at PG will be interesting.
I do think BG has the skillset to be a poor man's Oso in terms of passing - he's had a few nice looks this season.
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tower
I would add that Jop can be a beast in the paint. I said last year that Jop should be getting 10+ a game in the paint. He is crafty, big body and knows how to score.
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PG help from the portal is a must. Maybe he can help at that spot some day, but Norman sure doesn’t look capable yet.
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Gold needed to hit a couple of his open three shots. He was wide open and they left open. He could have turned things our way a couple of times.
The guy hasn't been making his 3s.
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tower
I would add that Jop can be a beast in the paint. I said last year that Jop should be getting 10+ a game in the paint. He is crafty, big body and knows how to score.
Goose, BG had some good moments today. Hopefully he can build on it. More aggressive. Quicker feet. Shot was off, but overall game was good, imo.
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tower
I would add that Jop can be a beast in the paint. I said last year that Jop should be getting 10+ a game in the paint. He is crafty, big body and knows how to score.
He’s making good progress. As he gets more comfortable and more decisive the efficiency will increase. I expect it to be a solid part of his game next season.
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PG help from the portal is a must. Maybe he can help at that spot some day, but Norman sure doesn’t look capable yet.
Yeah, he really puked all over himself today.
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Kam can carry the load without the big three deflecting attention.
Kam isnt a part of the “big three”?
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Kam isnt a part of the “big three”?
Tyler, Oso, Jonah Lucas.
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Norman’s capability of running the point has nothing to do w today’s game
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Take the Golden Eagles off the jersey and add Warriors. Incredible effort today. Really banged up and sick.
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Take the Golden Eagles off the jersey and add Warriors. Incredible effort today. Really banged up and sick.
And yet we have no shortage of alleged fans bitching. Kolek 'em!
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Take the Golden Eagles off the jersey and add Warriors. Incredible effort today. Really banged up and sick.
This is the correct take. Just ran out of gas at the end.
This team is in good hands next season.
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Great effort from the team today. Just phenomonal. Creighton absolutely blew the doors off full strength UCONN and Seton Hall at home their last two games. I did feel Shaka could have called some timeouts to help guys catch their wind, but I suspect he didn't want to give Kalkbrenner the benefit of additional rest either.
Stevie was a warrior once again today. Joplin played his most complete offensive game at MU, and despite a few of the usual frustrating turnovers and misses right at the basket - largely performed at a really high level. Zaide showed a lot of promise/potential. Kam was fantastic, and great to see him working his magic off the bounce again. Gold played pretty well too given the task at hand of trying to defend Kalkbrenner for 37 minutes. Sure would have been great if a few more of his 3's went in though.
Fun game to watch for sure.
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With everything stacked up against this team today, no need to highlight any negatives.
Loved the following:
1. Gold playing some very good defense in the first half and taking it to the hole a few times.
2. Jop expanding his offensive game. Better drives to the hoop, better decision making, better finishing. Great to see.
3. Stevie being more offensive minded is huge.
4. ZL had a very good game. Hit some 3s and played some good defense.
5. Kam being the man in the first half even as he is getting beat up.
High hopes for some extended runs in both tournaments.
Yes….all of this. Very impressed with Jop under control in the lane and Zaide’s no fear mentality.
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For me, the coolest play of the game was when Joplin took it to the basket and dunked. It displayed a level of confidence and aggressiveness that I haven’t seen from him before.
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PG help from the portal is a must. Maybe he can help at that spot some day, but Norman sure doesn’t look capable yet.
Nope.
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As discussed in another thread, assuming status quo and no injuries, Tre is not starting at the point next year.
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Never posted that he would. But he doesn’t even seem to be the answer for spot minutes at that position
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For me, the coolest play of the game was when Joplin took it to the basket and dunked. It displayed a level of confidence and aggressiveness that I haven’t seen from him before.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1764029984094429417?t=GfkEpfq25JpfvH-Yz41tzQ&s=19
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Great effort from the team today. Just phenomonal. Creighton absolutely blew the doors off full strength UCONN and Seton Hall at home their last two games. I did feel Shaka could have called some timeouts to help guys catch their wind, but I suspect he didn't want to give Kalkbrenner the benefit of additional rest either.
Stevie was a warrior once again today. Joplin played his most complete offensive game at MU, and despite a few of the usual frustrating turnovers and misses right at the basket - largely performed at a really high level. Zaide showed a lot of promise/potential. Kam was fantastic, and great to see him working his magic off the bounce again. Gold played pretty well too given the task at hand of trying to defend Kalkbrenner for 37 minutes. Sure would have been great if a few more of his 3's went in though.
Fun game to watch for sure.
Agree with everything here. Great point about how good Creighton has been at home lately - we played them better today than the team many folks believe is likely to repeat as national champs.
The one time I wanted Shaka to call time was in the first half when the game went like about 5 minutes without a stoppage and our guys were noticeably gassed. Joplin made a layup to cut it to 1, and I was screaming at the TV, "Call time, Shaka!" But no, and Alexander made a 3 and I again begged for a timeout. And then Alexander hit another 3. Just like that, 6 free points. But Shaka is 1,000 times more good than bad, and I'm sure he had his reasons for letting play go on - including perhaps the one you suggested about Kalkbrenner.
Only 7 assists today, which is completely understandable considering we were missing the two guys who the offense flows through, including the best PG in the country.
When I looked at the box score, that jumped out at me, too: 30 baskets but only 7 assists. When we have our two passing wizards, it's usually more like at least 15 assists on 30 makes. There was more 1-on-1 and iso ball today, lots more dribbling. But as you said, totally understandable, and I loved the way the guys battled and found ways to score.
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Love this team, great effort today.
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- Surprised Chase didn’t have an impact.
Either injured or the virus.
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Norman’s capability of running the point has nothing to do w today’s game
agreed
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Frustrated with the L would be more fitting.
This might be the best I've felt after a loss.
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PG help from the portal is a must. Maybe he can help at that spot some day, but Norman sure doesn’t look capable yet.
agreed. I think he’ll be ok…but not there yet. Tough getting minutes behind TK
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tower
I would add that Jop can be a beast in the paint. I said last year that Jop should be getting 10+ a game in the paint. He is crafty, big body and knows how to score.
Yep. I said earlier in the year the last thing Marquette needs Jop to become is a guy that does nothing inside and stands at the 3P like attempting 8 3s per game.
He’s got to keep driving to figure out his spots, and he’s figuring them out.
That will come with some angering mistakes, but so be it.
In the 2H he passed up several 3s to drive and be aggressive in the lane.
Benny needs to learn from that next. The outside shot will always be there, but will open up when the inside game flourishes
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Ben had two good drives. I admired the ball handling into the spin move with the jump hook. Sadly, Kalk had dropped back prior to the spin move.
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Great effort from the team today. Just phenomonal. Creighton absolutely blew the doors off full strength UCONN and Seton Hall at home their last two games. I did feel Shaka could have called some timeouts to help guys catch their wind, but I suspect he didn't want to give Kalkbrenner the benefit of additional rest either.
Stevie was a warrior once again today. Joplin played his most complete offensive game at MU, and despite a few of the usual frustrating turnovers and misses right at the basket - largely performed at a really high level. Zaide showed a lot of promise/potential. Kam was fantastic, and great to see him working his magic off the bounce again. Gold played pretty well too given the task at hand of trying to defend Kalkbrenner for 37 minutes. Sure would have been great if a few more of his 3's went in though.
Fun game to watch for sure.
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The fact that that game was so fun to watch says so much about where this program is in Shaka’s hands.
As for the timeouts- agreed. The more I thought about it though the more I realized neither Shaka nor McDermott were calling them when needed. Shaka probably didn’t want them to rest because they play no bench, and McDermott probably realized Shaka didn’t have the luxury of much bench today.
I will say, if there’s one thing I think Shaka would benefit picking up from Buzz is calling a TO when the team is doing well and firing them up more versus after a 10-0 run against….
Especially today, younger lineup and gassed very often. Makes a nice run, call a TO and rest up and tell them how awesome they are doing sort of thing
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This might be the best I've felt after a loss.
Same here. Tells me that with Oso and Kolek back, we are in great shape for the tourney.
Oh wait, wait! Let's bitch about the loss instead. Screw the future. Just focus on today's L.
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I am more optimistic about this team than I have been since beating Kansas.
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We are way past the point of moral victories, but agree that I was really proud of the way we battled. Final score doesn't tell the story of how close this was.
Kam is a warrior. Doesn't get nearly enough credit. Also love the way Jop and Stevie stepped up. Beyond that we were too thin to hold up down the stretch against a really good team. Get healthy TK.
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Liked what a saw for 24-25 preview, hopefully the 3 new players will add some quality depth, like to find one portal senior that can shot the ball. Ben needs to relax and hit some shots, looked like he ran out of gas. Jop has to value the basketball more.
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Great effort. Hopefully the team gets healthy to go on a run in the NCAAs. Wish we could fast forward 2 weeks.
Sneak peak of next year's team was good, but need more depth. Owens, Parham, and Hamilton can help. Still think we need a PG in the portal due to Sean's injury uncertainty.
Overall, I would expect another top 25 next year.
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Very impressed with the showing today.
I've been thinking of Jop's growth recently, and his dunk over Kalk today reminded that I see a Lazar Hayward trajectory in him. Lazar took time to evolve from a stand at the 3-pt line shooter to a willing pounder on the inside. If Jop can ultimately give what Lazar gave, MU will benefit for the rest of this year and next.
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I really am starting to believe it shouldn’t be taken for granted that Kam’s not going to take his NBA shot after this year. He’s a great scorer, great range, can carry a team when he’s on, good handle. As Shaka has said, he’s an offensive savant. Good size too.
Can’t assume he’ll be back next year. Plus, he’s 22 already.
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I really am starting to believe it shouldn’t be taken for granted that Kam’s not going to take his NBA shot after this year. He’s a great scorer, great range, can carry a team when he’s on, good handle. As Shaka has said, he’s an offensive savant. Good size too.
Can’t assume he’ll be back next year. Plus, he’s 22 already.
I've made that assumption and you're probably right that it shouldn't be taken for granted. I just don't see the athleticism and explosiveness that would make it a no-brainer for him to come out.
He should absolutely go through the process after the season without an agent and get feedback, though.
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Tower
Ben can handle the ball and skilled passer. He is showing more of those skills every game. IMO, he had shown far more skills than Oso showed in his second year. He has a chance to be as good as he wants to be. If he works as hard as Oso did, very high ceiling.
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Our esteemed Athletic Director used some colorful language to describe the team's efforts today:
https://twitter.com/mikebroeker/status/1764041126229532999
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Amen.
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I am more optimistic about this team than I have been since beating Kansas.
Said the same thing in a text thread after the game. I feel better about their tournament chances after this, provided everyone is healthy.
At some point this experience for the bench guys will help them win a game.
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I liked the more aggressive Jop today. The situation called for it, and he delivered. Hit a couple of shot-clock-beating 3s, too.
But here's the deal: When he does that, the offense pretty much stops. The four other players stand and watch because they are pretty damn sure they have no chance at getting the ball.
So Shaka and Nevada do not want that to be a major part of our offense when we have Oso and TK on the court. They want the ball to move and they want our players to move, so Jop has to pick his spots more and play iso-ball far less frequently.
As I said, today's situation called for it because our manpower situation dictated that the ball wasn't going to get zipped around as much.
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I’m drooling over the thought of this next level scoring we’re seeing from Kam and projecting that in the tourney. It’s the kind of thing that separates a good showing from a very deep run
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I really am starting to believe it shouldn’t be taken for granted that Kam’s not going to take his NBA shot after this year. He’s a great scorer, great range, can carry a team when he’s on, good handle. As Shaka has said, he’s an offensive savant. Good size too.
Can’t assume he’ll be back next year. Plus, he’s 22 already.
I think during the game, one of the announcers said Kam made an NBA move and finish. Even my wife said something like what a move and asked if he has the size for the NBA. He is so crafty.
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I think during the game, one of the announcers said Kam made an NBA move and finish. Even my wife said something like what a move and asked if he has the size for the NBA. He is so crafty.
I hope you told your wife that, yes, Kam can play in the NBA. Because of his deep shooting ability and deftness around the basket, he has shown up in a few mock drafts (though not in the majority that I've seen). Selfishly, I hope Kam comes back next season to improve his PG skills and make himself an even better NBA prospect.
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I think during the game, one of the announcers said Kam made an NBA move and finish. Even my wife said something like what a move and asked if he has the size for the NBA. He is so crafty.
Yes, it was the drive to middle of the lane and laying up a little floater over Kalkbrenner. It was a big time play.
He’s listed as 6’5. Maybe slightly overstated, but his size is fine for the NBA.
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I've made that assumption and you're probably right that it shouldn't be taken for granted. I just don't see the athleticism and explosiveness that would make it a no-brainer for him to come out.
He should absolutely go through the process after the season without an agent and get feedback, though.
That’s true, he isn’t a real bouncy athlete, not all that explosive. He just knows how to score and work himself open for shots. And NBA range and confidence to burn too.
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I love Kam Jones. I would be shocked if he’s not in a Marquette uniform next season, unless he wants to go play overseas.
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Guys, Ben Gold, described as "project" played 37 minutes. THIRTY SEVEN MINUTES. Kalkenbrenner went for 19 and 6. That's basically his average. And a couple of those points came when the game was very over.
Kam Jones never came out. FORTY minutes. Outside of Scheierman, he was the best player on the floor.
That this game was in reach with 4 minutes to go is insane.
This was the #12 team, at their home, on senior night and we were in it almost until the end with SIX guys playing.
We can be proud of these guys, but this was one of the gutsiest games I've seen from our team in years.
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Never posted that he would. But he doesn’t even seem to be the answer for spot minutes at that position
He has held his own fine with the usual freshman growing pains. I believe in Shaka’s player development.
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Never posted that he would. But he doesn’t even seem to be the answer for spot minutes at that position
Agree.
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Wish the game had been 35 minutes long. Even had we lost, the guys out there deserved to have the final margin be 5. That was a great effort. Jop looked like he took some notes from Stevie in deciding not to be denied getting to the rim. Shaka was running plays to get Ashworth switched onto him and letting Jop back him down. He made a few nice passes out of it, but also over dribbled a few times. The Gold move to end the half was unreal. Put Kalk in the spin cycle. And Zaide didn’t back down from Kalk down low defensively and hit some big threes. Kam and Stevie were awesome.
Thought we’d need to make every open 3 we got and have Creighton shoot poorly to not get run out of the gym. Got neither and still had them on the ropes.
Still think we will need a portal PG for next year. Much like QBs in football, if you’re doing it by committee, you don’t really have a PG. Not sure matchup hunting and iso ball would work for a full season, but they did well at it today.
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Gold needed to hit a couple of his open three shots. He was wide open and they left open. He could have turned things our way a couple of times.
Agreed Goose. Ben was in position to change the game. He had some really open looks from three. He looks so comfortable out there now. I almost wished he drove it to the hoop more as well. It was like he was holding back and deferring still. Shaka will get every ounce of potential out of him eventually. He played great though. Just needed to make an “adjustment” to hit those wide open threes.
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I am more optimistic about this team than I have been since beating Kansas.
Agree completely with this sentiment. This team has a big run in them coming. Hope they get healthy and come out guns blazing.
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one of those games that became more disappointing as it got to about the 5 minute mark...hopes were escalating as the game wore on with our valiant efforts all around
would have been a great reverse floor rush by the Creighton fans seeing the door hitting a lot of arses on their way out
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Here's a great quote from Joplin:
“We don’t have our two oldest guys, our seniors. Our best players, some may say. So we just got to battle with whoever’s with us. We’re going to go out there and fight. Warriors.”
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The day after, now it is time to point out issues.
7 assists. Understandable, as Kam, Stevie, and Jop have not had extended run as facilitators. Lots of one on one.
I laughed watching Ben handle the ball in traffic. The next step is making it mean something. His straight line drives were impressive. His between the legs dribble and spin move were also impressive, but accomplished little. Stuff to work on.
But these are the tiniest of nits to pick. They all cowboyed up in a tough situation and I have nothing but respect, admiration, and appreciation for their effort.
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I think BG was assisted on each if his 3 attempts……Maybe Tre as well.
They were 1-12 from deep. 5 more assists if some of those fall….12 total….would be a non issue.
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I was encouraged that "next years team" kept up @ Creighton for most of the game.
I was disappointed that what I thought would have been a better defensive team gave up almost 90 to Creighton.
That's all.
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I was encouraged that "next years team" kept up @ Creighton for most of the game.
I was disappointed that what I thought would have been a better defensive team gave up almost 90 to Creighton.
That's all.
Shorter bench led to tired defending the last 4 minutes.
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Was lucky enough to see how hard the guys played yesterday in person. Sure the outcome sucked, but the effort put forth was truly special. There’s no such thing in moral victories, but managing and responding to adversity is a lesson in itself. They took every punch Creighton had for 37 minutes and never flinched, while same team two weeks ago flinched at UConn. The growth is there, just heal up and get healthy.
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I was encouraged that "next years team" kept up @ Creighton for most of the game.
I was disappointed that what I thought would have been a better defensive team gave up almost 90 to Creighton.
That's all.
Fatigue was the primary factor. Not really in this team’s DNA but would have liked to see us take the air out of the ball a little more yesterday. Easier said than done as Creighton was trying to play as fast as possible.
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I was encouraged that "next years team" kept up @ Creighton for most of the game.
I was disappointed that what I thought would have been a better defensive team gave up almost 90 to Creighton.
That's all.
Fair point, but Creighton was able to run up the score only after Marquette was gassed, so your "almost 90", I think, needs context. Too many wide open 3's though.
Edit-not trying to pile on. A couple of other posts got in ahead of me.
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Shorter bench led to tired defending the last 4 minutes.
Sure, but still had 7 guys going. Same as Creighton. Worst defensive performance of the year.
Edit-not trying to pile on. A couple of other posts got in ahead of me.
Pile on! But I'm not wrong. :)
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Fatigue was the primary factor. Not really in this team’s DNA but would have liked to see us take the air out of the ball a little more yesterday. Easier said than done as Creighton was trying to play as fast as possible.
Yup. It was 69-67 when Ben scored at the 4:30 mark.
Creighton scored 89…
That game went from a “very good” defensive performance, both in my mind and in the metrics, for 36 mins.
Had Marquette bogged it down and lost 76-73 or something along those lines it would stand as an acceptable defensive performance on the road given the circumstances.
The last 4 greatly skewed all things metrics wise.
Fortunately for us we watch all the games and we see beyond that and know that the fellas played pretty darn well, defense included
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Sure, but still had 7 guys going. Same as Creighton. Worst defensive performance of the year.
Pile on! But I'm not wrong. :)
Sure, but Creighton always goes 6 deep with heavy-ish minutes and is used to it. Additionally, they had their best 6 and Marquette was missing its best, or at worst second best, defensive player and its best offensive player and floor general.
You know all that though.
My main point is that I realize only the final result matters to the computers, but Marquette played pretty darn good defense for a long stretch of the game.
Creighton had 67 pts at the under 8 and then 69 with 430 left.
As good as that pivotal 4 minute stretch was, the final 430 was exactly the opposite.
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Sure, but still had 7 guys going. Same as Creighton. Worst defensive performance of the year.
Pile on! But I'm not wrong. :)
Sez you.
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The last 4 greatly skewed all things metrics wise.
I'd guess in every game most teams have some 4 minute stretch that greatly skews the metrics. We've seen that in both Marquette's offense and defense (mostly on the good side). Fortunately / Unfortunately metrics don't discount those 4 minute stretches.
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Uh oh. Full Dodds ban hammer coming.
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If you are only looking at the final score to grade the defense you either did not watch the game or are looking for a negative. The D outperformed for 36 minutes and looked awfully good to me.
Comparing Creighton playing 7 guys to MU playing 7 guys actually made me laugh. It really does not even deserve to be discussed.
To pile on that post would be like piling on to the Don Kojis post yesterday. It is best just to move on and reread tower’s posts to get back to reality.
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Uh oh. Full Dodds ban hammer coming.
Not for me. When I went after Scoop's bloodthirsty nutcase, he wrote it off as possibly being caused by "some bad kombucha". I'm not worried.
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I probably should have put it in teal. That is not how rocky rolls.
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Not for me. When I went after Scoop's bloodthirsty nutcase, he wrote it off as possibly being caused by "some bad kombucha". I'm not worried.
I've come to realize you never drink good kombucha.
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I've come to realize you never drink good kombucha.
True. I don't drink that stuff at all. So you're not wrong Rocky.
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you're not wrong Rocky.
Aha! The truth!
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Aha! The truth!
Whatever makes you happy makes me happy Rocky. ;D
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Marquette had to tone down the defensive aggressiveness with the short bench. Couldn't afford foul trouble.
Didn't challenge shots quite as aggressively or body up on the perimeter, especially in the first half. Improved in the 2nd half, but ran out of gas.
Players not used to playing those minutes were out. Plus, they had to expend more energy than normal on offense. Kolek and Oso setup normally so much. Yesterday, Kam, Jop, and Stevie had to work extra hard as Oso scorers.
Team left it all on the floor.
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If you are only looking at the final score to grade the defense you either did not watch the game or are looking for a negative. The D outperformed for 36 minutes and looked awfully good to me.
Comparing Creighton playing 7 guys to MU playing 7 guys actually made me laugh. It really does not even deserve to be discussed.
To pile on that post would be like piling on to the Don Kojis post yesterday. It is best just to move on and reread tower’s posts to get back to reality.
Good post Goose. Creighton has two 23 year old players, playing their 5th year of college ball - Farabello and Schiermen. Ashworth is a Senior. Kalkbrenner is a senior. Trey Alexander a Junior.
Marquette rolled out Junior, Junior, Junior, Sophomore, Sophomore starting lineup. Of that lineup, just one guy is over 6'7" and 220 lbs and that's Gold, who had no backup, playing against a potential All American big who weighs in at 270. Our bench consisted of two freshmen.
Pretty easy to see why we were a bit worn down by the end. McDermott said both teams were tired, but he felt MU may have been a bit more tired.
I did feel Shaka erred by not using a few more timeouts to get his guys some rest, but also feel he felt that would benefit Kalkbrenner more than our guys.
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Sure, but still had 7 guys going. Same as Creighton.
When I used to coach my son’s youth teams, we had a few instances when only 5 or 6 players showed up for a game. And I’d say, “That’s OK … as long as it’s the right 5 or 6 players.”
I’m thinking Marquette’s short bench would have been less of an issue if we had a healthy Oso and Kolek in place of, say, Gold and Norman.
And rocky, how do you think MU’s defense would have looked if we were at full strength and Creighton was missing 2 of Scheierman, Alexander and Kalkbrenner?
To quote Larry David … pretty, pretty good.
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And rocky, how do you think MU’s defense would have looked if we were at full strength and Creighton was missing 2 of Scheierman, Alexander and Kalkbrenner?
I think I was pretty clear I was evaluating "next years team". And by and large I praised them for keeping up. They'll need to work on their D. I'm confident Shaka agrees.
I get the reaction is always to defend any negative stats with excuses, but y'all need to check yourselves.
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I think I was pretty clear I was evaluating "next years team". And by and large I praised them for keeping up. They'll need to work on their D. I'm confident Shaka agrees.
I get the reaction is always to defend any negative stats with excuses, but y'all need to check yourselves.
Help me understand why for the better of 7 years you made excuses for Wojo, but since Shaka has arrived you've largely tried to find all the negatives? It's weird.
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I think I was pretty clear I was evaluating "next years team". And by and large I praised them for keeping up. They'll need to work on their D. I'm confident Shaka agrees.
I get the reaction is always to defend any negative stats with excuses, but y'all need to check yourselves.
I somehow missed the reference to next season, so 1000 pardons.
And yes, there are excuses … but there also are facts. Missing the 2 stars of the team isn’t the same kind of “excuse” as “we couldn’t get a call from the refs.” It’s simply a fact, and to pretend otherwise (not accusing you of doing that) is ignoring important context.
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Elon
I think your post answered your own question.
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You are too smart of a basketball guy to engage in foolish conversations.
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No pardons required, I can be harsh and opinionated too.
I had many doubts about winning the game with Oso and Kolek. Without them (and possibly with a couple others feeling ill), I was happy with the performance.
I'm not happy with the tired legs defense for the last part of the game. If that was the reason, it was a poor coaching choice by Shaka to have them running around as they were the first 36 min.
I’ll let you have the final word, rocky. Have a good one.
That's no fun! I edited this post so your reply is still the "final", hah.
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No pardons required, I can be harsh and opinionated too.
I had many doubts about winning the game with Oso and Kolek. Without them (and possibly with a couple others feeling ill), I was happy with the performance.
I'm not happy with the tired legs defense for the last part of the game. If that was the reason, it was a poor coaching choice by Shaka to have them running around as they were the first 36 min.
I’ll let you have the final word, rocky. Have a good one.
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Our esteemed Athletic Director used some colorful language to describe the team's efforts today:
https://twitter.com/mikebroeker/status/1764041126229532999
Did Scholl retire or something?
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Did Scholl retire or something?
Okay, Deputy Athletic Director.
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If you are only looking at the final score to grade the defense you either did not watch the game or are looking for a negative. The D outperformed for 36 minutes and looked awfully good to me.
Comparing Creighton playing 7 guys to MU playing 7 guys actually made me laugh. It really does not even deserve to be discussed.
To pile on that post would be like piling on to the Don Kojis post yesterday. It is best just to move on and reread tower’s posts to get back to reality.
Key stat to me, only turned them over 7 times, same amount of TOs MU had. MU lives off TOs, not good for MU when that happens.
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Did Scholl retire or something?
Will be retiring in 1-2 years. Broeker is next man up.
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Can someone smarter than me provide some insight on possessions in yesterday's game? I thought Marquette/Shaka actually did take the air out of the ball quite a bit more, especially when you could sense the team was gassed.
Was it a high possession game for Marquette games? For Creighton games? How did our length of possessions compare to the season average?
Also, there aren't a ton of timeouts for coaches to use in college basketball anymore. I think it used to be at 6 not that long ago, but I think it's down to 4, of which you need to take at least 1 on the first half or you lose it.
I'm guessing Shaka and staff were trying to be as strategic as possible with their timeouts. Balance fatigue with momentum, especially with a group of guys who haven't played the roles they were in yesterday all that much. So when you're keeping it close, maybe Shaka and staff wanted to hang onto them until things looked like they may get out of hand. Like when they hit back to back 3s, one coming after a bad turnover.
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I don’t want to come off as negative because I did love the effort in that game but I did notice that a lot of Creighton’s made threes were pretty much uncontested…especially in the last 4 mins. I am going to attribute this to fatigue but that was a rough stretch.
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Key stat to me, only turned them over 7 times, same amount of TOs MU had. MU lives off TOs, not good for MU when that happens.
When Gold, Stevie, Kam and Jop were forced to play more minutes than usual and do more on the offensive end than usual it affects how you play defense. We couldn’t pressure them as much as usual, especially in the 2nd half.
Not really complicated, but it apparently escapes some here.
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Lenny
Spot on. The offense took a lot of effort to get the ball in the hoop. Jop, Stevie and Kam used up a lot of energy to score mostly difficult baskets instead of the quick, pass oriented offense we usual see from MU.
Our offense actually wore our defense down and such is life. They definitely need to work on better ball movement for next season to n the offensive side of the ball.
I would add that I am more concerned about the effort needed to score than I am about the defense. We have been spoiled by a very smooth offense for the past two years and it will look different without TK.
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Kolek out, Oso out, Kam favoring an ankle very early in the game and later as well, Tre puking and then coming back in briefly and our guys were down just a few points late. I'm not going to go with the moral victory theme, but the toughness shown in this game was absolutely phenomenal. SO proud of our team.
Bitch if you want about the missed 3's, but I'm not willing to join anyone criticizing the team in any way today.
The weird thing is that this game has made me more optimistic about our chances for a natty.
If Kolek is healthy and Kam's ankle is not an issue, me too. The biggest thing is that Kam is back! If healthy, we're going to be a tough out.
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Lenny
Spot on. The offense took a lot of effort to get the ball in the hoop. Jop, Stevie and Kam used up a lot of energy to score mostly difficult baskets instead of the quick, pass oriented offense we usual see from MU.
Our offense actually wore our defense down and such is life. They definitely need to work on better ball movement for next season to n the offensive side of the ball.
I would add that I am more concerned about the effort needed to score than I am about the defense. We have been spoiled by a very smooth offense for the past two years and it will look different without TK.
Excellent point. Everything was difficult and required a lot of energy on the offensive end, a ton of iso ball.
On several occasions Jop had to work his arse off just to get a shot off and then looked like he could barely make it back to the other end. Stevie and Kam had to work hard for their shots too, Kam just makes it look smoother.
That was one of my biggest disappointments with Tre on Saturday-
Not the missed shots, those will happen.
I was much more disappointed that as a backup pg he’s supposed to come in and control the pace, command the floor, get others involved and make their lives easier on the offensive end, and he didn’t do that.
He’s shown flashes of ability to defend well, be in the right spot, and attack off the dribble with adequate finishing, but his ability to run the point and make the right pass, get others involved, and command the game have left much to be desired so far.
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Watched in the arena.
The offense was markedly different yesterday. Instead of the pick and roll, it was more about trying to get favorable one on one matchups and attack individually. It worked better than I anticipated. But it explains the lack of assists.
Has there been anymore information on the apparent illness running through the team? Obviously Oso was ill. I swear Tre was puking during the game. Ross played less than I anticipated.
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Tre puking was reported by Ben Steele.
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That was one of my biggest disappointments with Tre on Saturday-
Not the missed shots, those will happen.
I was much more disappointed that as a backup pg he’s supposed to come in and control the pace, command the floor, get others involved and make their lives easier on the offensive end, and he didn’t do that.
He’s shown flashes of ability to defend well, be in the right spot, and attack off the dribble with adequate finishing, but his ability to run the point and make the right pass, get others involved, and command the game have left much to be desired so far.
I hear what you're saying and I agree with some of it, but I try to make myself remember that Norman has had very few in-game, non-garbage-time reps as a college PG. It's the equivalent of a barely-used freshman QB being thrown into big games.
He handled it well against Xavier, then struggled against a superior Creighton team. None of that was particularly surprising, really - and I'm not even factoring in that Tre might have been quite ill Saturday. I remember several occasions back in 2021-22 when Shaka had to bench Kolek - and Kolek was a sophomore with a good amount of PG experience. It's a difficult position to play correctly.
Tre might end up being a very good Big East PG, or he might never become one. I sure don't know yet. What I do know is that, given the ability of this coaching staff to develop players, if he can be a good PG, we'll see it by the time conference play gets going next season.
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Good points 82.
Definitely haven’t lost faith in him, I think he will be a winner.
It’s also better to see a kid “get it” on the defensive side and with regards to positioning and apparent maturity level, as well as have the ability to drive by dudes and score at the rim under control, than it is to not have those skills and just be a game manager that passes it around and doesn’t turn it over imo.
That forced contested 3 early in the clock will always get you in Shaka’s bench though, especially when you’re pitching an 0’fer. Shades of Kam shooting from the logo haha
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When Gold, Stevie, Kam and Jop were forced to play more minutes than usual and do more on the offensive end than usual it affects how you play defense. We couldn’t pressure them as much as usual, especially in the 2nd half.
Not really complicated, but it apparently escapes some here.
Maybe you misunderstood? Not blaming anyone, just that this MU tram pretty much lives of TOs, of course fatigue & not normal lineup affected D.
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I don’t want to come off as negative because I did love the effort in that game but I did notice that a lot of Creighton’s made threes were pretty much uncontested…especially in the last 4 mins. I am going to attribute this to fatigue but that was a rough stretch.
Kalkbrenner moving screens is how they get so open all the time. He's going to get called for one of those in March in a huge spot, just watch. Coaches will be pointing that out.
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On Scheierman's first dagger 3, Ben was engaged with a posting Kalkbrenner in the post and simply could not close out on the corner 3 quickly enough. Good scheme by Creighton.
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Kalkbrenner moving screens is how they get so open all the time. He's going to get called for one of those in March in a huge spot, just watch. Coaches will be pointing that out.
Marquette runs a lot of those slip screens too. It's effective in creating space without fouling in a motion offense. Contrast that to Wojo's Duke offense where Theo would be required to set a hard pick, looking to create certain switching advantages (and Theo would be in foul trouble by half often because it required the perfect set).
Wojo had an efficient offense as well but it required a different skill set at center. There was never a roll component in the Duke offense. Luke would have been great in Buzz's post offense but Matt Heldt beat him out in Wojo's.
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Kalkbrenner moving screens is how they get so open all the time. He's going to get called for one of those in March in a huge spot, just watch. Coaches will be pointing that out.
Oso sets moving screens all the time. All bigs do. I can't even remember which game I was watching Saturday, but the big literally reached out and made significant contact with his arms every single time he set a screen and it was never called. Hell, I remember watching the great Illinois teams of the mid-aughts and laughing as James Augustine set a moving screen on almost every possession. It's become almost like the 3-second violation - very rarely called.
Indeed, what's surprising is when it IS called. The offender always looks perplexed - and I don't blame him for thinking, "But I've done that 18 times in this game already and none was called."
The only moving screen they seem to be looking for nowadays is the one on the handoff. It usually is an illegal play but sometimes the apply it too liberally - as was the case with the makeup call against Stevie in the X game.
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Yeah unless its egregious, no ref is going to call a moving screen based on anything I saw Saturday. That's just basketball.
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Tre puking was reported by Ben Steele.
-1 for using phrasing that made me think of the name Kelly Tripuka today.
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Yeah unless its egregious, no ref is going to call a moving screen based on anything I saw Saturday. That's just basketball.
or a makeup call that everyone in the world sees coming ;D
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Can someone smarter than me provide some insight on possessions in yesterday's game? I thought Marquette/Shaka actually did take the air out of the ball quite a bit more, especially when you could sense the team was gassed.
Was it a high possession game for Marquette games? For Creighton games? How did our length of possessions compare to the season average?
Also, there aren't a ton of timeouts for coaches to use in college basketball anymore. I think it used to be at 6 not that long ago, but I think it's down to 4, of which you need to take at least 1 on the first half or you lose it.
I'm guessing Shaka and staff were trying to be as strategic as possible with their timeouts. Balance fatigue with momentum, especially with a group of guys who haven't played the roles they were in yesterday all that much. So when you're keeping it close, maybe Shaka and staff wanted to hang onto them until things looked like they may get out of hand. Like when they hit back to back 3s, one coming after a bad turnover.
It was a 68 possession game. Marquette averages around 70 possessions a game so below average but not egregious. Creighton averages around 67 a game so a bit above their average
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It was a 68 possession game. Marquette averages around 70 possessions a game so below average but not egregious. Creighton averages around 67 a game so a bit above their average
Got it, thanks. Felt like a slower game to me, but could’ve had a lot to do with the low turnover numbers and lack of transition opportunities for MU.