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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 28, 2024, 07:58:03 PM
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1. Ben Gold. His defense in the first half was a clinic. Not just the blocks. The help, the hedges and recovery, the going toe to toe with Oduro. He will be just fine as the starting center next season.
2. Tre will be just fine, also. A freshman improving as the season continues. Why the surprise? More importantly, why the lack of patience?
3. The theme this week was vengeance. Nuff said.
4. Stop shooting 3s. MU's offense sucks. (Spanish futbol anouncer voice) Collllllllle. Colecolecolecolecolecole. Colllllle
Keep running the offense and shooting 3s.
5. The officials got the call right on the dust up. However, having Oso and Stevie picking up their 3rd fouls before the 15 minute mark was less than ideal.
6. Kolek. Oblique outlook.
7. Kolek out and maintaining the lead was huge. There are always opportunities for learning and growth
8. Three straight games with the walk-ons finishing the game.
9. Friar trucked.
10. Get healthy TKo.
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Tremendous performance. Hopefully Tyko will be fine.
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A defensive clinic.
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Awesome performance. This was a tough team they beat tonight.
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I disagree only with point 5... what happened initially was not a basketball play and was easily a flagrant 1 and probably a 2. Refs spent about 10 minutes actively trying to even up the game but even 8 vs 5 and w/o Kolek the Warriors prevail.
That was a horrible officiating crew.
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Disagree on #5.
So much to like about so many guys tonight.
Dung Mitchell and Brick Gold were outstanding.
Not going to overreact about TKO.
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Providence knew their only chance was to punk us. We said eff that from the tip and brought the fight to them. Completely dominant from start to finish.
I’m not sure some of those Providence “box outs” and seals are legal. Boxing out facing your man and just two hand shoving him out of bounds seems more like a foul. And Oduro doesn’t stand his ground on the seal, he throws his shoulder right into the recovering defender.
Gold’s activity was as good as I’ve seen. Stevie was awesome as always. If he scores like this and we stay healthy I’ll take our chances. Norman belongs at this level. And Lowry can contribute defensively and on the boards.
Great game, just need Kolek to be alright.
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Chase stroke from deep looked nice and confident too
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I disagree only with point 5... what happened initially was not a basketball play and was easily a flagrant 1 and probably a 2. Refs spent about 10 minutes actively trying to even up the game but even 8 vs 5 and w/o Kolek the Warriors prevail.
That was a horrible officiating crew.
It would have been a defensible F1. No chance it was F2.
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Tower, feel better about #1 than a couple of weeks ago.
Have to agree with a couple of posters that you were wrong on #5. Should have been a flagrant 1 on Odouro. I'm OK with a tech on Oso because he was responding, but good for him.
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Providence knew their only chance was to punk us. We said eff that from the tip and brought the fight to them. Completely dominant from start to finish.
I’m not sure some of those Providence “box outs” and seals are legal. Boxing out facing your man and just two hand shoving him out of bounds seems more like a foul. And Oduro doesn’t stand his ground on the seal, he throws his shoulder right into the recovering defender.
Gold’s activity was as good as I’ve seen. Stevie was awesome as always. If he scores like this and we stay healthy I’ll take our chances. Norman belongs at this level. And Lowry can contribute defensively and on the boards.
Great game, just need Kolek to be alright.
Oduro is a walking foul out there. Every screen he sets is illegal
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Providence knew their only chance was to punk us. We said eff that from the tip and brought the fight to them. Completely dominant from start to finish.
I’m not sure some of those Providence “box outs” and seals are legal. Boxing out facing your man and just two hand shoving him out of bounds seems more like a foul. And Oduro doesn’t stand his ground on the seal, he throws his shoulder right into the recovering defender.
Gold’s activity was as good as I’ve seen. Stevie was awesome as always. If he scores like this and we stay healthy I’ll take our chances. Norman belongs at this level. And Lowry can contribute defensively and on the boards.
Great game, just need Kolek to be alright.
Yes. There's a difference between being physical and being thugs. Great job by MU.
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Oduro is a walking foul out there. Every screen he sets is illegal
Add Ticket Gaines to that too.
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That was a horrible officiating crew.
Driscoll is a POS (49-19). Roger Ayers is one of the best refs in college BB. The 3rd guy wasn't a great presence.
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Another brick in the Ben Gold foundation. He might end up being the unsung hero in a very special season. His ceiling is very high.
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my thread title would have been "F*ck the Friars":
11. Can we officially call him "Willie Dung Brick"
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Add Ticket Gaines to that too.
Great point FLD.
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Another brick in the Ben Gold foundation. He might end up being the unsung hero in a very special season. His ceiling is very high.
That was more like 1000sqft of bricks in that foundation.
Kid looked like he was shot out of a cannon. So active, so alert, so aggressive.
Best we’ve seen him play.
Keep it up Benny.
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Oduro is a walking foul out there. Every screen he sets is illegal
Guy makes Theo John look foul free!
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It would have been a defensible F1. No chance it was F2.
I try to avoid getting into it about the refs, but this is a worthy exception. Inexcusable! Unacceptable!
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Best we’ve seen him play.
Disagree. He has been playing help defense, hedging/recovering/trapping for most of this 11 out of 12 streak. The blocks tonight were awesome. Everything else on defense has been displayed for the last 6 weeks. I am glad more are noticing.
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Tower
Ben has been like a home remodeling job, looks like no progress for weeks and then overnight progress. He has been getting better every game on defense for two months and now it is more noticeable.
All I know is there were/are a lot of anti Ben Gold folks on here and they missed the boat big time. Sadly, they will stick with their opinions and post every time he makes a mistake or missed an open shot. Positive note, 95% of those posters have been wrong on 95% of MU basketball for a decade plus.
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I disagree only with point 5... what happened initially was not a basketball play and was easily a flagrant 1 and probably a 2. Refs spent about 10 minutes actively trying to even up the game but even 8 vs 5 and w/o Kolek the Warriors prevail.
That was a horrible officiating crew.
Oduro’s foul on Chase had contact to the head. Should have been a mandatory review at the very least.
This was the T on Oso in the first game:
https://x.com/robdauster/status/1737333186785427699?s=46
Not a foul called on the play but reviewed later on. Don’t really care what the call is, but I hate the lack of consistency.
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Disagree. He has been playing help defense, hedging/recovering/trapping for most of this 11 out of 12 streak. The blocks tonight were awesome. Everything else on defense has been displayed for the last 6 weeks. I am glad more are noticing.
Who? Ben Brick Dung Gold (BBDG)?
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Was that Kam’s first dunk at Marquette? I don’t remember any others.
Can we have Benetti and Raft for every game? They are so good together.
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Who? Ben Brick Dung Gold (BBDG)?
Other people's assessment. Never mine.
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Providence, a very good team, got their @ss whipped by a team that was final four-worthy tonight.
@ss whoopin’.
A lot of it without TK.
We take it to Creighton next.
1 down, three to go.
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Tower
Ben has been like a home remodeling job, looks like no progress for weeks and then overnight progress. He has been getting better every game on defense for two months and now it is more noticeable.
All I know is there were/are a lot of anti Ben Gold folks on here and they missed the boat big time. Sadly, they will stick with their opinions and post every time he makes a mistake or missed an open shot. Positive note, 95% of those posters have been wrong on 95% of MU basketball for a decade plus.
Goose-
First part is nice, I like the remodel comp.
He had been vastly improved defensively, but earlier in the season he was often a turnstile so that was easy to do in comparison to that.
Tonight was different though- not only were his positioning and instincts on point- the stepping out, the hedging, all of it- but he also had that next gear that he hasn’t shown much yet imo.
It’s not just me either. In the postgame Shaka said “his defensive confidence vastly improved, if that makes sense.”
Yes, complete sense. He was very active and aggressive, that’s the key. He wasn’t soft at all, he was alive and involved in every moment.
As for the second part, don’t like that.
Criticizing what Ben was doing earlier in the season was warranted. Just like arguing that he’s a future NBAer was warranted if that was your opinion.
Doesn’t mean anyone was ANTI Ben Gold or “missed the boat.”
Just means that many expected and hoped for more from him and voiced their opinion.
Personally, I will say I’m MUCH more confident in Marquettes future at the 4/5 in the next few years if THIS Ben Gold becomes the norm.
Now if that outside shot falls at a 35% clip or better, look out.
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Where would you slot this MU team historically on the defensive end? The first MU game I recall seeing was in '89 and I'm not sure I've seen a better 20 mins of defense than we saw in the 1H.
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Doctor
For the record, my comment on missing the boat was geared at a handful of posters that bashed Gold on a regular basis. Ben struggled early in the season and I understood the frustration. That said, it almost seemed like a small group took pleasure in Ben’s struggles and I did not get that.
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Where would you slot this MU team historically on the defensive end? The first MU game I recall seeing was in '89 and I'm not sure I've seen a better 20 mins of defense than we saw in the 1H.
Good question.
Where is it historically according to KenPom?
I’d probably say in the last month or so, outside of UConn, it’s been one of the best, if not the best, MU defensive teams I’ve ever seen.
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Doctor
For the record, my comment on missing the boat was geared at a handful of posters that bashed Gold on a regular basis. Ben struggled early in the season and I understood the frustration. That said, it almost seemed like a small group took pleasure in Ben’s struggles and I did not get that.
Fair, and I did see some of that so I get where you’re coming from.
Anyone who takes pleasure in any MU players struggle is sick!
Very easy to pull for Ben- making the jump to move across the world for the betterment of your future at that young age is no easy task, especially for a young kid that seems so connected to his family.
It’s obvious that Shaka is really pulling for him too, so you’d love to see him succeed because Shaka wants it.
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Other people's assessment. Never mine.
LOL Tower you know me better!
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Good question.
Where is it historically according to KenPom?
I’d probably say in the last month or so, outside of UConn, it’s been one of the best, if not the best, MU defensive teams I’ve ever seen.
I'm not much of a stat guy. Are we top 40?
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LOL Tower you know me better!
I do and I know you were chain yanking.
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1. Ben Gold. His defense in the first half was a clinic. Not just the blocks. The help, the hedges and recovery, the going toe to toe with Oduro. He will be just fine as the starting center next season.
2. Tre will be just fine, also. A freshman improving as the season continues. Why the surprise? More importantly, why the lack of patience?
3. The theme this week was vengeance. Nuff said.
4. Stop shooting 3s. MU's offense sucks. (Spanish futbol anouncer voice) Collllllllle. Colecolecolecolecolecole. Colllllle
Keep running the offense and shooting 3s.
5. The officials got the call right on the dust up. However, having Oso and Stevie picking up their 3rd fouls before the 15 minute mark was less than ideal.
6. Kolek. Oblique outlook.
7. Kolek out and maintaining the lead was huge. There are always opportunities for learning and growth
8. Three straight games with the walk-ons finishing the game.
9. Friar trucked.
10. Get healthy TKo.
I posted this 10 games ago. It took just 10 games to go from where we were to making threes on the season at a higher rate than last year.
It's a valid question. Prior to this, our shooters were pretty much all over 40% on open threes, which is why we work so hard for those looks. I truly believed that natural progression from our returning players and replacing O-Max's threes with Jop threes would lead to a better shooting team, not worse.
We are 45% of the way through the season averaging 25.9 threes per game and making 31.5% of them. To equal what we did last year, we would have to go roughly 219/570 (38.4%) in our final 22 games. Is that possible? Certainly. But the way things have gone of late it sure doesn't feel likely.
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We moved up three spots on KenPom with tonight’s performance. We are now 10th.
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3 dominant wins in a row. Just enjoying the ride 😎
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I think Gold could have a Frank Kaminsky-like college career. Unknown his first two years and then blows up as a junior.
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All in all, imo, the best team performance of the year-
Oso with foul trouble, Kolek beat up and the rest of the team steps up without missing a beat.
Nice
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I'm not much of a stat guy. Are we top 40?
13th.
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Was that Kam’s first dunk at Marquette? I don’t remember any others.
Can we have Benetti and Raft for every game? They are so good together.
And we win whenever they call the game!
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Earlier in the season, when some folks were getting down on MU in general and Gold in particular, there was a discussion about whether guys could improve during the course of a season (as opposed to during the offseason, when a lot of improvement takes place). Gold has answered that big-time. His defense has been very good for many weeks now, and he does a lot of subtle things on offense besides take 3s.
Tre Norman is another example. It's not easy to look good on the court when you play 1 or 2 minutes, are taken out of the game, and then maybe play another minute ... so I don't know how anybody could have formed an opinion that he can't be a good player at this level. When he has gotten to play a little more, he has done OK; and today, when he got a really good run, he obviously was much better than just OK. Another guy who has improved markedly during the season.
For a "finesse team," we stood up to a squad full of bullies and hacks pretty darn well. Shoulda been a flagrant on Oduro for sure; sucked that Providence came out of that sh!t with 2 FTs and the ball.
Best all-around game since we throttled Texas? Defense was suffocating. Stevie is SUCH a good basketball player.
There was one stretch in which we increased our lead with Kolek and Oso on the bench. Nice.
Really like what we've been getting from Chase lately.
Pretty pathetic that Kam could only score half his "normal" number of points!
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Where would you slot this MU team historically on the defensive end? The first MU game I recall seeing was in '89 and I'm not sure I've seen a better 20 mins of defense than we saw in the 1H.
The 1970 NIT game against LSU holding Pistol Pete to 21 points.
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Earlier in the season, when some folks were getting down on MU in general and Gold in particular, there was a discussion about whether guys could improve during the course of a season (as opposed to during the offseason, when a lot of improvement takes place). Gold has answered that big-time. His defense has been very good for many weeks now, and he does a lot of subtle things on offense besides take 3s.
Tre Norman is another example. It's not easy to look good on the court when you play 1 or 2 minutes, are taken out of the game, and then maybe play another minute ... so I don't know how anybody could have formed an opinion that he can't be a good player at this level. When he has gotten to play a little more, he has done OK; and today, when he got a really good run, he obviously was much better than just OK. Another guy who has improved markedly during the season.
For a "finesse team," we stood up to a squad full of bullies and hacks pretty darn well. Shoulda been a flagrant on Oduro for sure; sucked that Providence came out of that sh!t with 2 FTs and the ball.
Best all-around game since we throttled Texas? Defense was suffocating. Stevie is SUCH a good basketball player.
There was one stretch in which we increased our lead with Kolek and Oso on the bench. Nice.
Really like what we've been getting from Chase lately.
Pretty pathetic that Kam could only score half his "normal" number of points!
Good points. Hacks is exactly right and Oduro is now on my D-List.
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Pat Driscoll is perhaps the worst Big East official ever.
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Pat Driscoll is perhaps the worst Big East official ever.
It's a race between him and James Breeding.
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It's a race between him and James Breeding.
Breeding is fine until the video review. Driscoll is bad all game.
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Brent Hampton has entered the chat.
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Brent Hampton has entered the chat.
He had the ballz to T up English. Driscoll then called Stevie for a phantom offense foul on the way back.
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Brent Hampton has entered the chat.
Absolutely. The 3 pt shot Kolek hit with blood running down his face. He was absolutely clobbered and that ref was standing right there and didn’t call anything.
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He had the ballz to T up English. Driscoll then called Stevie for a phantom offense foul on the way back.
And, the official actually fouled Tyler before the shot, push in the back, sheesh! Officials these days.
Of course, I jest and have said they have been good of late, but yikes, another inconsistent one.
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Earlier in the season, when some folks were getting down on MU in general and Gold in particular, there was a discussion about whether guys could improve during the course of a season (as opposed to during the offseason, when a lot of improvement takes place). Gold has answered that big-time. His defense has been very good for many weeks now, and he does a lot of subtle things on offense besides take 3s.
Tre Norman is another example. It's not easy to look good on the court when you play 1 or 2 minutes, are taken out of the game, and then maybe play another minute ... so I don't know how anybody could have formed an opinion that he can't be a good player at this level. When he has gotten to play a little more, he has done OK; and today, when he got a really good run, he obviously was much better than just OK. Another guy who has improved markedly during the season.
For a "finesse team," we stood up to a squad full of bullies and hacks pretty darn well. Shoulda been a flagrant on Oduro for sure; sucked that Providence came out of that sh!t with 2 FTs and the ball.
Best all-around game since we throttled Texas? Defense was suffocating. Stevie is SUCH a good basketball player.
There was one stretch in which we increased our lead with Kolek and Oso on the bench. Nice.
Really like what we've been getting from Chase lately.
Pretty pathetic that Kam could only score half his "normal" number of points!
Developing players is Marquette’s best path to sustained success.
Fans that are impatient when a player isn’t an immediate stud like an Oso or Tyler, should probably remember where those two started.
You can dismiss a serious discussion with anyone regarding a player if they don’t understand this basic concept.
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Developing players is Marquette’s best path to sustained success.
Fans that are impatient when a player isn’t an immediate stud like an Oso or Tyler, should probably remember where those two started.
You can dismiss a serious discussion with anyone regarding a player if they don’t understand this basic concept.
Willie is great predicting player development
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Willie isn't the only one who is impatient when it comes to player development. There are a number of scoopers who channel their inner Veruca Salt when it comes to freshmen. Patience is a virtue.
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Willie isn't the only one who is impatient when it comes to player development. There are a number of scoopers who channel their inner Veruca Salt when it comes to freshmen. Patience is a virtue.
Can’t fight the seether(s)
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Ben makes a great move from the three point line, drives in for a lefty finger roll that he misses badly. The play turns into a scrum.
MU has a 6'10 back up center who can pump fake at rhe 3 point line, crossover, drive through the lane with his left (off) hand and expects to make a left handed finger roll. Ponder that.
I have little doubt that when viewed on film and at practice that the coaches will emphasize that he needs to dunk that. Every time. With violence. But it is easily fixable.
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Can’t fight the seether(s)
Bless you.
"Alexa, play...."
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Good question.
Where is it historically according to KenPom?
I’d probably say in the last month or so, outside of UConn, it’s been one of the best, if not the best, MU defensive teams I’ve ever seen.
Thanks for asking, because you did I found out the KenPom stats now go back to 1997 (used to only go back to 2002).
Since 97, this team ranks 9th in raw adjusted defensive efficiency. However, if you just look at defensive rank, this team is tied for 3rd. I don't know if that's because KenPom changed his model at some point or if there were better defenses (or worse offenses) back in the day.
Top MU Defenses since 97:
1. Deane Year 4 - NIT Quarterfinal Loss to Minny (90.6, ranked 9th)
2. Deane Year 3 - CUSA Championship (90.8, ranked 15th)
3. Buzz Year 4 - Sweet 16 loss to Florida (91.3, ranked 14th)
4. Crean Year 3 - First Round Loss to Tulsa (91.9, ranked 11th)
5. Deane Year 5 - Deane's Last Season (92.9, ranked 48th)
6. Crean Year 9 - R32 loss to the Lopez Twins (93.1 ranked 21st)
7. Crean Year 8 - First Round Loss to MSU (94.6, ranked 30th)
8. Buzz Year 5 - Elite 8 Year (94.9, ranked 45th)
9. Shaka Year 3 (95.1, ranked 14th)
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Thanks for asking, because you did I found out the KenPom stats now go back to 1997 (used to only go back to 2002).
Since 97, this team ranks 9th in raw adjusted defensive efficiency. However, if you just look at defensive rank, this team is tied for 3rd. I don't know if that's because KenPom changed his model at some point or if there were better defenses (or worse offenses) back in the day.
Top MU Defenses since 97:
1. Deane Year 4 - NIT Quarterfinal Loss to Minny (90.6, ranked 9th)
2. Deane Year 3 - CUSA Championship (90.8, ranked 15th)
3. Buzz Year 4 - Sweet 16 loss to Florida (91.3, ranked 14th)
4. Crean Year 3 - First Round Loss to Tulsa (91.9, ranked 11th)
5. Deane Year 5 - Deane's Last Season (92.9, ranked 48th)
6. Crean Year 9 - R32 loss to the Lopez Twins (93.1 ranked 21st)
7. Crean Year 8 - First Round Loss to MSU (94.6, ranked 30th)
8. Buzz Year 5 - Elite 8 Year (94.9, ranked 45th)
9. Shaka Year 3 (95.1, ranked 14th)
He tweaked the system at some point.
I’m always leery of the data pre-2003
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Not sure how this year's defense ranks, but it sure passes my eye test. The defense is getting better by the week.
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And, the official actually fouled Tyler before the shot, push in the back, sheesh! Officials these days.
Of course, I jest and have said they have been good of late, but yikes, another inconsistent one.
How quickly we forget about Higgins and Burr. And I don't like Driscoll one bit.
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Willie isn't the only one who is impatient when it comes to player development. There are a number of scoopers who channel their inner Veruca Salt when it comes to freshmen. Patience is a virtue.
And not just freshmen. The impatience about Ben proves that. Kolek too, in previous years.
Pretty normal, though. Not unique to Scoop. I'm guessing there were some on CreigtScoop who were wondering why the team got Ashworth, who shot only 38% overall the first two months of the season and was making so many mistakes that McDermott had to give him pine time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUh7GDAgyPQ
Chase has the best speaking voice.
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Developing players is Marquette’s best path to sustained success.
Fans that are impatient when a player isn’t an immediate stud like an Oso or Tyler, should probably remember where those two started.
You can dismiss a serious discussion with anyone regarding a player if they don’t understand this basic concept.
Well said.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUh7GDAgyPQ
Chase has the best speaking voice.
Ha! My son has a class with him and says the same thing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4FN9hnPKq0
Coach English disappointed in his team.
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Ha! My son has a class with him and says the same thing.
Whose kid has a class with TyKo (Remedial Reading?) and can give us an update on how he's moving today? Come on, people!