Sorry Kam. Incredible shooting display.
It's Kolek.
Bill Withers.
whole half left but yeah
Gotta go to the MU single game assist record holder.
Jop. His first 3 ended the game.
I get it but it's just insane to me a guy who scored 34 in 12/15 shooting isn't winning SOTG lol
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 21, 2024, 09:42:00 PM
Jop. His first 3 ended the game.
I think the game ended with the player introductions.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 21, 2024, 09:44:54 PM
I get it but it's just insane to me a guy who scored 34 in 12/15 shooting isn't winning SOTG lol
And Oso went for 15/9/7 on 70% shooting.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 21, 2024, 09:44:54 PM
I get it but it's just insane to me a guy who scored 34 in 12/15 shooting isn't winning SOTG lol
Missed the last one!
TyKo.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 21, 2024, 09:42:00 PM
Jop. His first 3 ended the game.
And his three blocks. Gotta be a career high...his whole career combined! It's Tyler
Tyler Kolek
Honorable Mention
Oso Igohodaro
Kameron Jones
Kam. If he isn't on fire, no assist record.
Stevie & Cam won me sinner $$$ with their 3's they're my STOG
When you set the school record for assists, it's a no brainer. TyKo was the star.
Kam was the recipient of many of those dimes and would've been SOTG on any other night. Great to see those threes dropping like that.
Chase Ross also had a great game.
Kolek with the 18 assists.
TKO. Some spectacular passing. Creating to leave guys wide open.
Man, DePaul is a mess.
Quote from: tower912 on February 21, 2024, 10:04:12 PM
Kam. If he isn't on fire, no assist record.
Yeah, I kinda lean this way, too.
But obviously I've got no problem if TK gets it. He had 8-10 amazing passes and coulda tied or passed the Big East assist record (22) if a few other open 3s he set up went in.
Oso is an afterthought despite having an outstanding game.
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2024, 10:58:43 PM
Yeah, I kinda lean this way, too.
But obviously I've got no problem if TK gets it. He had 8-10 amazing passes and coulda tied or passed the Big East assist record (22) if a few other open 3s he set up went in.
Oso is an afterthought despite having an outstanding game.
He played 26 minutes. If the game was even remotely close he could have had 25+.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 21, 2024, 11:10:59 PM
He played 26 minutes. If the game was even remotely close he could have had 25+.
If the game was close means better D so most likely no.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 21, 2024, 11:12:20 PM
If the game was close means better D so most likely no.
The NBA All Star game was fairly close.
Tyler
Not quite Curly Neal level passing and playmaking ;D But awesome performance by Tyler. Definitely SOTG over Kam.
Kam..
Honorable to TKO and Stevie. I was hoping we'd also see the single game steals broken too by Stevie. He had 5 at half (should have been 6...I think Kam got credit for one Stevie slapped out). Sadly not enough run (but wanted to see it as a double double).
Quote from: tower912 on February 21, 2024, 10:04:12 PM
Kam. If he isn't on fire, no assist record.
And if Kolek is not assisting Kam no awesome scoring.
i'm torn, but gotta go with TK and the dimes he was dropping all over the court
great to see kam finding the hoop from 25 feet again
game over when jop started blocking shots. confused the demons as they were looking at each other-that wasn't in their scouting reports-messed them up
stevo the thief in broad daylight
boy did we need that one!! i don't mean just winning, duh, but the way we won-could be a big confidence boosting catalyst seeing as how uconn got their excrement handed to them just as they did to us-karma baby!!
Kam's numbers were great.
Oso's were great too.
Kolek's were historic.
So...
With apologies to Kam and Oso, breaking a single gave record that has stood since before you were born is an auto-SOTG imho
TK.
I know guys have to make the shots but he seldom does not hit his teammates in the perfect spot to hit the shot. The 18th assist on the inbounds play was a great example of that. He hit Kam waist high on his left side and Kam went straight into the shot.
He hits guys in their comfort zone on almost pass. That is high IQ of knowing the game and how to put a teammate in best position to be successful.
BBQ Chicken
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 22, 2024, 06:52:28 AM
Kam's numbers were great.
Oso's were great too.
Kolek's were historic.
So...
Lenny,
You and I mostly agree. But "historic"?
That was maybe the worst college BB team I have ever seen playing D. And Tyler passed up more easy shots than Dgies passes up the seconds line at Old Country Buffet.
Kam
Quote from: Goose on February 22, 2024, 07:23:52 AM
TK.
I know guys have to make the shots but he seldom does not hit his teammates in the perfect spot to hit the shot. The 18th assist on the inbounds play was a great example of that. He hit Kam waist high on his left side and Kam went straight into the shot.
He hits guys in their comfort zone on almost pass. That is high IQ of knowing the game and how to put a teammate in best position to be successful.
Exactly. His ability to see the court and know where his guys are and where they are going to be seconds later is unparalleled in the NCAA right now.
Plus he plays with a fire that isn't common. Sometimes it gets to him, but he's done a better job of controlling his tilt in the second half of the conference season.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 22, 2024, 07:39:26 AM
Lenny,
You and I mostly agree. But "historic"?
That was maybe the worst college BB team I have ever seen playing D. And Tyler passed up more easy shots than Dgies passes up the seconds line at Old Country Buffet.
Kam
Nobody is going to dispute that DePaul is really bad, but you really can't dispute that it was historic. He set MU's single-game assist record. That's in the books. Years from now when another great MU point guard is having the game of his life and approaching 18 assists, they're going to talk about how he has a shot to break TyKo's single game assist record. That's kind of what the word "historic" means.
TyKo for SOTG with a very strong honorable mention for Kam. And given the historic nature of TyKo's game, I wouldn't be opposed -- just this one time -- to joint SOTGs because Kam really did have a great game (and we
really needed to see him do that).
Hards
The long pass down to Stevie for the fast break layup and ally oop to Chase Ross were unreal passes. He has had a great highlight film over the past ten games and I have not seen a better passer at MU. I agree with Dr. B that Sam Worthen was unreal, but not TK unreal, imo.
I will add, I have never seen a crowd, or watching on TV (me), that watching one guy passing the ball got so much attention. Most fans average fans are not watching the game that closely to understand a guy getting a ton of assists, TK has changed that and last night everyone was on TK record watch from early in the game.
Quote from: Goose on February 22, 2024, 07:56:12 AM
Hards
The long pass down to Stevie for the fast break layup and ally oop to Chase Ross were unreal passes. He has had a great highlight film over the past ten games and I have not seen a better passer at MU. I agree with Dr. B that Sam Worthen was unreal, but not TK unreal, imo.
I will add, I have never seen a crowd, or watching on TV (me), that watching one guy passing the ball got so much attention. Most fans average fans are not watching the game that closely to understand a guy getting a ton of assists, TK has changed that and last night everyone was on TK record watch from early in the game.
The last assist of the first half -- where he and Kam were on a fast break and Kam passed to a trailing TyKo and TyKo passed it right back -- was also really nice.
StillaWarrior
IMO, that was the pass of the night. Looked like an NBA guy to me.
Sorry Guys. Tyler had better games in Kasten Gym on Saturday afternoons.
Goose, that pass was sweet.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 22, 2024, 08:13:38 AM
Sorry Guys. Tyler had better games in Kasten Gym on Saturday afternoons.
Goose, that pass was sweet.
Wild to discredit TK Vs DePaul
But credit Kam, who has thrashed Gtown vs DePaul while struggling for months now vs teams with a pulse.
DePaul was terrible, yet a good number of Kolek's passes last night were higher degree of difficulty than average and the precision was amazing. An absolute joy of a performance to watch and a uniqure stat line of 1-2 FGA, 3 points, 18 assists with 19% usage despite shooting just twice.
That being said, I've got to go Kam who had a 201 O-Rating, a career high 34 points on 8-10 shooting from 3 and 4-5 from 2, all in just 23 minutes of action. I'd argue the above may be a historic performance at MU for efficiency.
DePaul was just the medicine the team needed after the UCONN debacle.
I actually thought that Tyler was intentionally passing up shots. I think he wanted the assist record while recording zero points.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 22, 2024, 08:32:02 AM
I actually thought that Tyler was intentionally passing up shots. I think he wanted the assist record while recording zero points.
Yep, I agree. Also, he has a fantastic nose for media relations. There's always something he's got loaded and ready to say.
TK and Kam. Make this one really special.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 21, 2024, 11:28:09 PM
The NBA All Star game was fairly close.
By those standards, MU hung in there pretty closely with UCONN on Saturday.
Quote from: Goose on February 22, 2024, 07:56:12 AM
I will add, I have never seen a crowd, or watching on TV (me), that watching one guy passing the ball got so much attention. Most fans average fans are not watching the game that closely to understand a guy getting a ton of assists, TK has changed that and last night everyone was on TK record watch from early in the game.
This is spot on. My section started talking about it when he had 7 assists in 7 minutes and by the second half we were talking about not only the Tony Miller record, but the Big East and NCAA records. The arena was very aware.
Kolek
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 22, 2024, 09:35:13 AM
This is spot on. My section started talking about it when he had 7 assists in 7 minutes and by the second half we were talking about not only the Tony Miller record, but the Big East and NCAA records. The arena was very aware.
Would have only needed 6 in the last 8 minutes... would have been fun to have that associated with MU.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 22, 2024, 08:18:19 AM
Wild to discredit TK Vs DePaul
But credit Kam, who has thrashed Gtown vs DePaul while struggling for months now vs teams with a pulse.
Weird take. I wasn't discrediting Tyler, I was discrediting DePaul. Tyler's run last year from January to March was perhaps a top 2 program performance for instance, culminating in the UCONN BET game. Magical
For the record, Tyler had games of 14 and 15 dimes a year ago versus the great DePaul and Georgetown teams. No matta. The 1st half he had at Xavier was historic to me on the other hand.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 22, 2024, 08:31:03 AM
DePaul was just the medicine the team needed after the UCONN debacle.
I wish we'd have played an actual D1 opponent. Shaka had 'em ready. We'd have rolled. In a weird way, playing DePaul when the guys were so determined and focused was almost a waste. I hope they bring this Sunday vs. X and then the rest of the way.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 22, 2024, 08:32:02 AM
I actually thought that Tyler was intentionally passing up shots. I think he wanted the assist record while recording zero points.
There were at least 5-6 times that he passed up either a wide-open 3 or the kind of running bank shot through contact he takes (and makes) regularly. But he also made some virtuoso passes. And if there's one opponent you can do anything you want against - including use your 6-11 center as the PG for several minutes - it was this one.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 22, 2024, 07:39:26 AM
Lenny,
You and I mostly agree. But "historic"?
That was maybe the worst college BB team I have ever seen playing D. And Tyler passed up more easy shots than Dgies passes up the seconds line at Old Country Buffet.
Kam
UB skirmish
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 22, 2024, 08:32:02 AM
I actually thought that Tyler was intentionally passing up shots. I think he wanted the assist record while recording zero points.
Oh, 100%. He was clearly hunting the record.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 21, 2024, 09:44:54 PM
I get it but it's just insane to me a guy who scored 34 in 12/15 shooting isn't winning SOTG lol
If it will make you sane, give the stud award to both.
Quote from: Goose on February 22, 2024, 07:56:12 AM
Hards
The long pass down to Stevie for the fast break layup and ally oop to Chase Ross were unreal passes. He has had a great highlight film over the past ten games and I have not seen a better passer at MU. I agree with Dr. B that Sam Worthen was unreal, but not TK unreal, imo.
I will add, I have never seen a crowd, or watching on TV (me), that watching one guy passing the ball got so much attention. Most fans average fans are not watching the game that closely to understand a guy getting a ton of assists, TK has changed that and last night everyone was on TK record watch from early in the game.
Sam Worthen was thge bast passer I have seen at MU since about 1955...until Kolek came along. Comparing those two and throwing in Tony Miller...priceless.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 22, 2024, 07:39:26 AM
Lenny,
You and I mostly agree. But "historic"?
That was maybe the worst college BB team I have ever seen playing D. And Tyler passed up more easy shots than Dgies passes up the seconds line at Old Country Buffet.
Kam
Doc,
Kam, Oso and Tyler all put up their numbers against a weak opponent. As good as Kam's and Oso's were they didn't come close to being record breaking. Tyler's were.
Can we name DePaul the SOTG? They are so bad everyone looked great last night for MU.
Quote from: tower912 on February 21, 2024, 10:04:12 PM
Kam. If he isn't on fire, no assist record.
I'm not sure that's true. 6 of Tylers assist went to Jones. 1 was an uncontested fast break layup. 2 were wide open corner threes (where Kam is shooting 51% on the season). Only 3 of the assists to Kam resulted in makes that required Kam to be on fire. Given that Kolek played a near season low 26 minutes, I think he coulda gotten those last three if stayed in a little longer
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 22, 2024, 04:40:52 PM
I'm not sure that's true. 6 of Tylers assist went to Jones. 1 was an uncontested fast break layup. 2 were wide open corner threes (where Kam is shooting 51% on the season). Only 3 of the assists to Kam resulted in makes that required Kam to be on fire. Given that Kolek played a near season low 26 minutes, I think he coulda gotten those last three if stayed in a little longer
Plus the 7 wide open missed 3s by Jop, Gold and Chase.
This is wild that people are really debating this. And the term historic to boot.
TKO for the KO ! ! ! 8-)
Rewatching the game. Most of those dimes were amazing.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 24, 2024, 12:24:44 PM
Rewatching the game. Most of those dimes were amazing.
Watching the Illinois game, one of their players drove and then kicked it out to the corner. The recipient had to scoop up the pass on the short hop and was then in no position to shoot what would have been a wide-open 3 had the pass been good.
Kolek delivers that pass right into the shooting pocket time after time after time. Doesn't matter how far away he is, or if he's being bumped by his man, or swarmed by multiple defenders. Just perfect freakin' passes. That's the kind of little thing that isn't so little because it helps a team win. It's really something to behold, and I'm gonna miss the heck out of watching it.
Quote from: pbiflyer on February 24, 2024, 12:24:44 PM
Rewatching the game. Most of those dimes were amazing.
Only does the easy dimes
82
TK hits every guy in their wheelhouse and does it virtually every time. One of the first things I remember being taught about basketball was to always pass the ball to the right guy and pass it where they can immediately do something positive with the ball. I have been obsessed with that for over 40 years.
Hitting an open guy is not that hard. Hitting an open guy and putting him in position to succeed is hard to do. I watched a lot of basketball today and there was no one that came close to TK's precision. TK was very good on hitting the guy last year but this year is at a different level.
Quote from: Goose on February 25, 2024, 01:00:14 AM
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TK hits every guy in their wheelhouse and does it virtually every time. One of the first things I remember being taught about basketball was to always pass the ball to the right guy and pass it where they can immediately do something positive with the ball. I have been obsessed with that for over 40 years.
Hitting an open guy is not that hard. Hitting an open guy and putting him in position to succeed is hard to do. I watched a lot of basketball today and there was no one that came close to TK's precision. TK was very good on hitting the guy last year but this year is at a different level.
It's been such a pleasure to watch.
This skill will serve TK very well at the next level and will make him beloved by his teammates.