Sometimes, it's good.
Especially when you don't expect it.
Blip on the season radar. Worst part is no regular season title, but I've heard March is king...
The litmus test March, no pressure
Quote from: DoctorV on February 17, 2024, 04:12:16 PM
Sometimes, it's good.
Especially when you don't expect it.
Blip on the season radar. Worst part is no regular season title, but I've heard March is king...
The litmus test March, no pressure
When you're looking to compete for a national title, having a chance to win late in conference play against the reigning national champion and number one team in the country is an opportunity to prove you're ready for that.
Losing by 30 is not a good thing no matter how you try to twist this. Overwhelmed by a better team.
The yappy chihuahua probably agrees with you Doc. I sure don't.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 17, 2024, 04:14:49 PM
When you're looking to compete for a national title, having a chance to win late in conference play against the reigning national champion and number one team in the country is an opportunity to prove you're ready for that.
Losing by 30 is not a good thing no matter how you try to twist this. Overwhelmed by a better team.
Sure, but this is no twist.
I actually thought Marquette might win.
Most "casuals" only care about March success.
Imo last year was a more successful season, but this season will be looked at as more successful, and I'm ok with that.
I think Marquette makes the Elite 8 (even with this loss) and that's great. Anything less than a FF makes last year more impressive imo.
Let the fans be happy.
Make the Final Four like this team should and let everyone be happy.
I'm with Doc......a close win today and perhaps the same plaguing issues aren't addressed. Hopefully, now they will.
Jop continues not to box out.
Jop continues to get beat on the first step.
Kam needs to get right. 2 airballs from deep.....want to see more of those crafty drives.
Maybe this beat down will be ammunition that Shaka can use to get this team where we all want it to be.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 17, 2024, 04:28:41 PM
Sure, but this is no twist.
I actually thought Marquette might win.
Most "casuals" only care about March success.
Imo last year was a more successful season, but this season will be looked at as more successful, and I'm ok with that.
I think Marquette makes the Elite 8 (even with this loss) and that's great. Anything less than a FF makes last year more impressive imo.
Let the fans be happy.
Make the Final Four like this team should and let everyone be happy.
Bolded is something we are in full agreement on, but I think an EE is more likely the ceiling. While a natty is still possible, after today my hopes and dreams of one have vanished and I don't expect them to return. Even in a really bad game, National Champs do not play like Marquette did today.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 17, 2024, 04:28:41 PM
Make the Final Four like this team should and let everyone be happy.
Like they should?
Are you a UConn fan?
I believe the loss of Sean Jones took us out of title contention. He was a pace changer, defensive spark, gave Tyler a rest . . . so many little things to his game. He created havoc on defense and I have not seen that since he was injured. It is a different team.
The team as it is now would have to play to perfection to get to the Final Four. Marquette cannot start a game in the Tourney shooting 0-6, 0-8, 0-10, whatever . . . from the 3 point line. It seems to happen frequently against any team not named Georgetown.
Very down at the moment.
I hope we get punched in the mouth @ Creighton to get us ready for the rematch with UCONN 4 days later.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 17, 2024, 05:05:26 PM
I hope we get punched in the mouth @ Creighton to get us ready for the rematch with UCONN 4 days later.
Lol so true. The coping levels here today are crazy. Suddenly it's good to lose by 30 pts.
Quote from: warriorfred on February 17, 2024, 04:58:54 PM
I believe the loss of Sean Jones took us out of title contention. He was a pace changer, defensive spark, gave Tyler a rest . . . so many little things to his game. He created havoc on defense and I have not seen that since he was injured. It is a different team.
The team as it is now would have to play to perfection to get to the Final Four. Marquette cannot start a game in the Tourney shooting 0-6, 0-8, 0-10, whatever . . . from the 3 point line. It seems to happen frequently against any team not named Georgetown.
Very down at the moment.
It's almost like you haven't watched a game over the last month.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 17, 2024, 04:45:02 PM
Bolded is something we are in full agreement on, but I think an EE is more likely the ceiling. While a natty is still possible, after today my hopes and dreams of one have vanished and I don't expect them to return. Even in a really bad game, National Champs do not play like Marquette did today.
maybe a Sweet 16 team, maybe. Matchups are so critical. Our flaws will make a deep run difficult, imo.
The 2002 team lost to UAB and sneaked by Holy Cross in the First Round. Not freaking out about a single game is the best, and only, option. Move on and learn. Plenty of season left.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 17, 2024, 05:05:26 PM
I hope we get punched in the mouth @ Creighton to get us ready for the rematch with UCONN 4 days later.
A beat down in the Tourney against Whatever A&M sets-ups Marquette nicely for the 24-25 season.
Quote from: warriorfred on February 17, 2024, 04:58:54 PM
I believe the loss of Sean Jones took us out of title contention. He was a pace changer, defensive spark, gave Tyler a rest . . . so many little things to his game. He created havoc on defense and I have not seen that since he was injured. It is a different team.
Are you a relative of Sean Jones?
Because it is almost quiet literally the opposite.
I'll say this as well...
It's insane to ignore the final 25+ minutes of this game but in the first 10 minutes or so Marquette looked like they could and possible should win the game.
They scored like 10 points in the paint.
Then they continued to drive a bit and got bumped bad, a lot of no calls that led to turnovers.
Then they fully lost their way.
As they lost their way they became bounty soft on the other end.
No im not blaming the refs, im moreso blaming Marquette for not continuing to pound the paint and instead settling for 3s.
Everything changed after that.
This team needs to pass on 3s more often than not, because their bread and butter is getting good looks in the paint from 2.
They did it with Clingan, then went away from it for no reason.
They were open, so you'd hate to not take them, but when they don't fall you can't carry it over to the other end and defend like DePaul.
Kudos to UConn for smelling the blood and going medieval, I now understand Muggsys definition
The loss today will hurt MU's tournament seeding. A close loss would not affect it, but a beatdown like this will unless MU can beat UConn in Milwaukee - which I am not confident about.
Quote from: rgoode57 on February 17, 2024, 05:12:22 PM
The loss today will hurt MU's tournament seeding. A close loss would not affect it, but a beatdown like this will unless MU can beat UConn in Milwaukee - which I am not confident about.
Disagree.
Quote from: rgoode57 on February 17, 2024, 05:12:22 PM
The loss today will hurt MU's tournament seeding. A close loss would not affect it, but a beatdown like this will unless MU can beat UConn in Milwaukee - which I am not confident about.
Not how it works.
We certainly don't need wins against UCONN and at Creighton just to keep our hopes of a 2 alive.
More like we need to win all other games and not lose to anyone other than those teams to stay on the 2 line.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 17, 2024, 05:09:24 PM
Are you a relative of Sean Jones?
Because it is almost quiet literally the opposite.
I stand by my opinion. We'll know in a month.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 17, 2024, 05:07:11 PM
It's almost like you haven't watched a game over the last month.
It's almost like you vastly overrate a winning streak against middle of the pack Big East teams.
Quote from: warriorfred on February 17, 2024, 05:14:21 PM
I stand by my opinion. We'll know in a month.
It's not an opinion. Your post was literally wrong.
Marquette still likely looking at a 2 or 3 barring something very unexpected.
Beat Creighton on the road or UConn at home and probably a 2.
Lost both and likely a 3 unless they lose another 2/3 on top of that.
Best part about todays debacle is what the purists on this site have been preaching all season...
Regular season no matta, March mattas.
It personally pains me for Marquette to not lift another BE ship, but I do think that it's a blessing that all eggs are now in the NCAA tourney basket.
Elite 8 or bust for casuals.
Final 4 or last year was better for me.
Too many missing pieces to win the National Championship. Close, but not enough bench depth.
Quote from: warriorfred on February 17, 2024, 05:14:21 PM
I stand by my opinion. We'll know in a month.
Marquette likely is not a "title contender" no matter what. Only one team can win it. MU is a top 15 team and probably not a top 5 team. But before today, here is every contributors plus minus.
Tyler Kolek +230
Oso Ighodaro +245
Stevie Mitchell +153
Kam Jones +183
David Joplin +199
Chase Ross +117
Ben Gold +133
Sean Jones +25
Sean Played in 16 games. Chase 19. Stevie 20. Kam 23. Everyone Else 24.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 17, 2024, 05:14:34 PM
It's almost like you vastly overrate a winning streak against middle of the pack Big East teams.
Your idiocy has been fun during and after a tough game. And you stalking me on here and consistently embarrassing yourself is also fun.
As far as my confidence in this team, I'm looking at the season as a whole, moron. A horrible game today, while disappointing, doesn't change my opinion.
Rent-free, 🐱
I don't understand Scoop's thought that you can't make deep NCAA Tournament runs if you win your conference. Or win your conference tourney.
Someone should've told Jay Wright that. Maybe Nova would've won a natty under him if they weren't always winning the BE.
Not big enough or strong enough to do much in the tournament
Quote from: jfp61 on February 17, 2024, 05:20:05 PM
Marquette likely is not a "title contender" no matter what. Only one team can win it. MU is a top 15 team and probably not a top 5 team. But before today, here is every contributors plus minus.
Tyler Kolek +230
Oso Ighodaro +245
Stevie Mitchell +153
Kam Jones +183
David Joplin +199
Chase Ross +117
Ben Gold +133
Sean Jones +25
Sean Played in 16 games. Chase 19. Stevie 20. Kam 23. Everyone Else 24.
What is this metric, offense?
Quote from: warriorfred on February 17, 2024, 05:18:33 PM
Too many missing pieces to win the National Championship. Close, but not enough bench depth.
Or rebounding or consistent outside shooting.
All it takes is one bad shooting game and MU can be beaten by any team in the tournament with a seed of 15 or higher.
Quote from: wisblue on February 17, 2024, 05:23:54 PM
Or rebounding or consistent outside shooting.
All it takes is one bad shooting game and MU can be beaten by any team in the tournament with a seed of 15 or higher.
Agree. There are too many games in which they go ice cold for extended periods. It may not matter against Xavier at home, but it matters in the Tourney.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 17, 2024, 05:06:30 PM
Lol so true. The coping levels here today are crazy. Suddenly it's good to lose by 30 pts.
Rational takes probably do look like copium when you're in a state of panic
Quote from: wisblue on February 17, 2024, 05:23:54 PM
Or rebounding or consistent outside shooting.
All it takes is one bad shooting game and MU can be beaten by any team in the tournament with a seed of 15 or higher.
Why are people acting like team's outside of UConn, Purdue, and to a lesser extent, Houston, all don't have serious flaws?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 17, 2024, 05:20:39 PM
Your idiocy has been fun during and after a tough game. And you stalking me on here and consistently embarrassing yourself is also fun.
As far as my confidence in this team, I'm looking at the season as a whole, moron. A horrible game today, while disappointing, doesn't change my opinion.
Rent-free, 🐱
Of course it doesn't change your opinion. You're the ultimate fan and won't stand for anyone criticizing your team. If they do they're gonna get told they are a moron or have you imply that they have a baby penis (your weird fascination with baby penises is disturbing).
Quote from: wadesworld on February 17, 2024, 04:14:49 PM
When you're looking to compete for a national title, having a chance to win late in conference play against the reigning national champion and number one team in the country is an opportunity to prove you're ready for that.
Losing by 30 is not a good thing no matter how you try to twist this. Overwhelmed by a better team.
This sh it is what I don't get.
I'm king impulsive "game thread" reaction.
But people act like it's doom and gloom in here.
UConn kicked our ass last yeast year at home.
UConn also lost a crap ton of game in a row last year.
We lost. Kam needs to find his shot from deep. Oso and Tk need to realize when to not force.
It's the same crap win or lose.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 17, 2024, 05:26:53 PM
Of course it doesn't change your opinion. You're the ultimate fan and won't stand for anyone criticizing your team. If they do they're gonna get told they are a moron or have you imply that they have a baby penis (your weird fascination with baby penises is disturbing).
Feel free to take a look at my posts, dummy. Criticism is fine. Irrational stupidity, not so much.
I must have hit a nerve with you and it's pretty clear why, little buddy.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 17, 2024, 05:25:45 PM
Rational takes probably do look like copium when you're in a state of panic
This was a historic loss. The largest margin of defeat between 2 top 5 teams according to ESPN. Yet it's a rational take to say the loss today was a good thing and anyone who disagrees is in a state of panic. That's world class levels of copium.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 17, 2024, 05:29:26 PM
Feel free to take a look at my posts, dummy. Criticism is fine. Irrational stupidity, not so much.
I must have hit a nerve with you and it's pretty clear why, little buddy.
Lol you're the one who continually brought up baby penises weirdo
Quote from: Farley36 on February 17, 2024, 05:30:02 PM
This was a historic loss. The largest margin of defeat between 2 top 5 teams according to ESPN. Yet it's a rational take to say the loss today was a good thing and anyone who disagrees is in a state of panic. That's world class levels of copium.
Yeah I don't see a bunch of people spinning this as "good". I do see far too many acting like this means so much more than a single loss though (present company included). We're fine. Nothing about our prospects changed.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 17, 2024, 05:30:02 PM
This was a historic loss. The largest margin of defeat between 2 top 5 teams according to ESPN. Yet it's a rational take to say the loss today was a good thing and anyone who disagrees is in a state of panic. That's world class levels of copium.
There were a lot of missed shots and weird bounces, but this game exposed some serious issues. There is nothing good about a Senior led team, ranked #4, getting whupped like that.
Farley
There was a zero positive from the loss today, other than I think no one got injured. UConn is a fantastic team and they were out to bury MU and did just that. That said, unless UConn be cloned in the next month, I do not think MU faces a better team the rest of the way, including in the tournament.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 17, 2024, 04:22:44 PM
The yappy chihuahua probably agrees with you Doc. I sure don't.
That's the best you can do? I believe I asked if the Butler loss could help us. This is a different animal obviously. You clearly are very thin skinned.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 17, 2024, 05:32:24 PM
Yeah I don't see a bunch of people spinning this as "good". I do see far too many acting like this means so much more than a single loss though. We're fine. Nothing about our prospects changed.
I guess that all depends. They won't win the Big East. Was that something you thought they could do? They aren't good enough to compete for a national championship. Was that something you thought was possible? If you can answer no to both of those then you might be correct that nothing drastically has changed.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 17, 2024, 05:36:06 PM
I guess that all depends. They won't win the Big East. Was that something you thought they could do? They aren't good enough to compete for a national championship. Was that something you thought was possible? If you can answer no to both of those then you might be correct that nothing drastically has changed.
Can Kansas compete for a national championship? Can Purdue? If you want to curl up into a ball have at it. I don't think any different about this team.
Always curious why certain posters are loudest after losses but disappear when things are good.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 05:35:55 PM
That's the best you can do? I believe I asked if the Butler loss could help us. This is a different animal obviously. You clearly are very thin skinned.
Oh the irony! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2024, 05:39:36 PM
Always curious why certain posters are loudest after losses but disappear when things are good.
🤔
Quote from: warriorfred on February 17, 2024, 05:22:50 PM
What is this metric, offense?
on the court +/-.
How marquette does when they play
Quote from: Farley36 on February 17, 2024, 05:36:06 PM
I guess that all depends. They won't win the Big East. Was that something you thought they could do? They aren't good enough to compete for a national championship. Was that something you thought was possible? If you can answer no to both of those then you might be correct that nothing drastically has changed.
Last years UConn squad was better than this years.
Last years Marquette squad was worse than this years.
Last years Marquette squad won the BE regular season and BET tourney titles.
Last years UConn team won the Natty.
This years UConn team will win the BE reg season and likely win the BET.
No idea what this years Marquette team does in the NCAAt, but I'll stand by my prediction that they get beyond UConn and to the EE, and that will make the casuals happy.
For me it's FF or bust, with just being last years season being better overall.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 17, 2024, 05:26:30 PM
Why are people acting like team's outside of UConn, Purdue, and to a lesser extent, Houston, all don't have serious flaws?
Not sure how you're getting that from my comment.
MU has flaws and in a one and done tournament one bad game (even against a team that has flaws of its own) can mean the end of the road.
We saw Purdue lose to FDU and Arizona lose to Princeton in the first round last year. Anyone who thinks that MU is immune from that kind of early upset is delusional.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2024, 05:39:36 PM
Always curious why certain posters are loudest after losses but disappear when things are good.
Ask Farley. He's definitely not a troll and I'm sure he'll provide thoughtful, logical answer.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 17, 2024, 05:40:42 PM
on the court +/-.
How marquette does when they play
The worst metric there is.
Rico
There are certain members of the scoop community that visit the site more often after a bad performance. Then, there are some that are fence sitters that get a bit louder after a bad performance. Unfortunately, they likely will have the last word after every season's last game.
We lost our poise and cannot beat elite teams if Tyko plays poorly. Give them credit but the margin of victory means less than people think. And yes, everyone is vulnerable in the NCAA tournament this year including UCONN and Purdue. There's nothing good at all from this loss but there's plenty of basketball left and time to bounce back.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2024, 05:39:36 PM
Always curious why certain posters are loudest after losses but disappear when things are good.
Because this place is dull as unnatural carnal knowledge all other times. Why would anyone come here to see a bunch of boomers have a circle jerk because some 18-24 year old kids won a basketball game. It's really only in the chaos of loss that this site becomes entertaining.
Quote from: wisblue on February 17, 2024, 05:23:54 PM
Or rebounding or consistent outside shooting.
All it takes is one bad shooting game and MU can be beaten by any team in the tournament with a seed of 15 or higher.
💯 I'd probably say 12 or 13 and higher, but that's nitpicking. This is a good team, but make Kolek average or worse and they are so beatable. No depth and very inconsistent play all year by everyone else except Oso.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 17, 2024, 05:49:34 PM
Because this place is dull as unnatural carnal knowledge all other times. Why would anyone come here to see a bunch of boomers have a circle jerk because some 18-24 year old kids won a basketball game. It's really only in the chaos of loss that this site becomes entertaining.
You fucking loser gtf outta here
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 05:49:18 PM
We lost our poise and cannot beat elite teams if Tyko plays poorly. Give them credit but the margin of victory means less than people think. And yes, everyone is vulnerable in the NCAA tournament this year including UCONN and Purdue. There's nothing good at all from this loss but there's plenty of basketball left and time to bounce back.
Muggsy, at least you got to see a complete 40 minute performance of a team going medieval.... Just when most thought it wasn't possible
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 17, 2024, 05:51:42 PM
💯 I'd probably say 12 or 13 and higher, but that's nitpicking. This is a good team, but make Kolek average or worse and they are so beatable. No depth and very inconsistent play all year by everyone else except Oso.
You can say that about every other team frankly. UCONN and Purdue have separated themselves a bit but it's not like they're unbeatable.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2024, 05:49:13 PM
Rico
There are certain members of the scoop community that visit the site more often after a bad performance. Then, there are some that are fence sitters that get a bit louder after a bad performance. Unfortunately, they likely will have the last word after every season's last game.
Always the loudest in the room. Very peculiar
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 05:49:18 PM
We lost our poise and cannot beat elite teams if Tyko plays poorly. Give them credit but the margin of victory means less than people think. And yes, everyone is vulnerable in the NCAA tournament this year including UCONN and Purdue. There's nothing good at all from this loss but there's plenty of basketball left and time to bounce back.
A team currently slated as a 2 seed should not be completely dismantled like this. So yes the margin is relevant. And they were badly exposed and outplayed by totally mediocre teams - see Providence, Wisconsin, and Butler, making today was an aberration argument very specious.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 17, 2024, 05:54:17 PM
Muggsy, at least you got to see a complete 40 minute performance of a team going medieval.... Just when most thought it wasn't possible
That's not true. UCONN did not shoot the triple well at all in the 1H. We didn't show up and lost our composure. Tyko cannot allow physical perimeter defense to completely take him out of the game. And he also needs other guys to alleviate the pressure he faces to make most of the plays for us vs a set defense.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 17, 2024, 05:49:34 PM
Because this place is dull as unnatural carnal knowledge all other times. Why would anyone come here to see a bunch of boomers have a circle jerk because some 18-24 year old kids won a basketball game. It's really only in the chaos of loss that this site becomes entertaining.
This is so f'n perfect
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 05:54:39 PM
You can say that about every other team frankly. UCONN and Purdue have separated themselves a bit but it's not like they're unbeatable.
That's pretty much my point, little if anything separates us from most of what the rest of the field will end up being. There's nothing special this year. Kolek has had way more nights where he's not that effective this year compared to last and the supporting cast has often been disappointing with virtually no help from the bench like they had last year.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 05:58:38 PM
That's not true. UCONN did not shoot the triple well at all in the 1H. We didn't show up and lost our composure. Tyko cannot allow physical perimeter defense to completely take him out of the game. And he also needs other guys to alleviate the pressure he faces to make most of the plays for us vs a set defense.
So they didn't go full medieval and still won by the biggest top 5 margin in history?
What is full medieval then? Asking for a friend
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 17, 2024, 05:57:45 PM
A team currently slated as a 2 seed should not be completely dismantled like this. So yes the margin is relevant. And they were badly exposed and outplayed by totally mediocre teams - see Providence, Wisconsin, and Butler, making today was an aberration argument very specious.
They shouldn't, that's correct. Arizona shouldn't lose to Oregon St. Purdue shouldn't get blown out by Nebraska.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 17, 2024, 06:01:58 PM
So they didn't go full medieval and still won by the biggest top 5 margin in history?
What is full medieval then? Asking for a friend
I will explain full medieval when someone goes full medieval.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 17, 2024, 05:49:34 PM
Because this place is dull as unnatural carnal knowledge all other times. Why would anyone come here to see a bunch of boomers have a circle jerk because some 18-24 year old kids won a basketball game. It's really only in the chaos of loss that this site becomes entertaining.
Scoop is dung?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 06:02:56 PM
I will explain full medieval when someone goes full medieval.
Muggsy, tonight was full medieval.
If it wasn't I'm really scared.
If you don't like it, use the ignore feature. Just like NLW, you know what Farley36 is. Letting him annoy you is letting him win. He is trolling and you are Asian carp. If it wasn't so fun and easy, he wouldn't do it.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 17, 2024, 06:02:58 PM
Scoop is dung?
No, Marquette basketball is and circle jerks.
What's the fascination by people using that phrase on scoop? Must be a Jesuit thing
Quote from: DoctorV on February 17, 2024, 06:03:42 PM
Muggsy, tonight was full medieval.
If it wasn't I'm really scared.
Dr.V, I believe they shot 37% in the 1st half and like 20% from 3. Our ineptitude was part of the equation.
tower
I have no idea why some on here let other posters get them so pissed off. I am fan of Farley because he had two degrees from MU and I hope he paid retail for both.
Farley isn't the first poster to only come out after losses. It was an entire industry under Wojo. Chico used to become much more active after Buzz losses. Some posters just like to vent. Their right. Farley likes to troll after losses. His right. Can't take it personally or seriously.
tower
I think I was consistently anti Wojo, not just after losses. I do not remember, does that sound right or was I was the Farley of the Wojo era? Regardless, I was not trying to break up the boomer MU circle jerk, just talking basketball.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2024, 06:17:49 PM
tower
I think I was consistently anti Wojo, not just after losses. I do not remember, does that sound right or was I was the Farley of the Wojo era? Regardless, I was not trying to break up the boomer MU circle jerk, just talking basketball.
Not even close, Goose
Can't wait for 3/6. We're gonna kill em.
Book it.
Quote from: Farley36 on February 17, 2024, 05:30:02 PM
This was a historic loss. The largest margin of defeat between 2 top 5 teams according to ESPN. Yet it's a rational take to say the loss today was a good thing and anyone who disagrees is in a state of panic. That's world class levels of copium.
That is not what ESPN says. If you look again, it says in a Top 5
conference matchup. Feel free to go back to the juvenile back-and-forth with VBMG, something I'll never understand why posters do here.
Hey Rico
I hated being the negative guy back then and know I pissed off a lot of scoopers, especially younger guys on here I like.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2024, 06:27:36 PM
Hey Rico
I hated being the negative guy back then and know I pissed off a lot of scoopers, especially younger guys on here I like.
There's a difference between negative and honest.
That massacre dropped MU from 11 to 14 in KenPom.
To the extent anyone on the Selection Committee considers the computer metrics to separate teams that are close otherwise, today's game hurt more than a more competitive loss would have.
Quote from: wisblue on February 17, 2024, 06:35:06 PM
That massacre dropped MU from 11 to 14 in KenPom.
To the extent anyone on the Selection Committee considers the computer metrics to separate teams that are close otherwise, today's game hurt more than a more competitive loss would have.
Committee proved today that they don't really pay attention to the games so personally I don't think it makes much difference. Doubt a majority of the committee even knew we played today. Lot of politics involved.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2024, 06:06:26 PM
No, Marquette basketball is and circle jerks.
What's the fascination by people using that phrase on scoop? Must be a Jesuit thing
Be the dung difference?
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 17, 2024, 04:43:26 PM
I'm with Doc......a close win today and perhaps the same plaguing issues aren't addressed. Hopefully, now they will.
Jop continues not to box out.
Jop continues to get beat on the first step.
Kam needs to get right. 2 airballs from deep.....want to see more of those crafty drives.
Maybe this beat down will be ammunition that Shaka can use to get this team where we all want it to be.
You forgot one. Gold is not near what some of the Gold fans on this board think. Not one of the MU players is NBA ready.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 17, 2024, 06:20:48 PM
Can't wait for 3/6. We're gonna kill em.
Book it.
Bull shice
Quote from: willie warrior on February 17, 2024, 07:16:54 PM
You forgot one. Gold is not near what some of the Gold fans on this board think. Not one of the MU players is NBA ready.
Oso and Tyler will be in the NBA next year and you'll be flipping hamburgers
Quote from: willie warrior on February 17, 2024, 07:16:54 PM
You forgot one. Gold is not near what some of the Gold fans on this board think. Not one of the MU players is NBA ready.
NBA scouts disagree, but I will defer to your superior wisdom and perspective. I will also defer to you over Shaka in regard to Gold.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 17, 2024, 07:16:54 PM
You forgot one. Gold is not near what some of the Gold fans on this board think. Not one of the MU players is NBA ready.
The Willard dung review
Hey Willie
I love that you go way back and have enjoyed a lot of great basketball, but do you think maybe you're slipping a bit?
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2024, 07:22:58 PM
Hey Willie
I love that you go way back and have enjoyed a lot of great basketball, but do you think maybe you're slipping a bit?
Or sipping too much.
Hey Fluff
I started early and have kept it going, but I hope that I have not become completely unhinged.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2024, 07:22:58 PM
Hey Willie
I love that you go way back and have enjoyed a lot of great basketball, but do you think maybe you're slipping a bit?
Don't think so. I love the Warriors and want the best for them
Today was really bad and I call them as I see them. We are not in UConns orbit and there is no excuse for that. Shaka better step up and get some players. UConn has.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2024, 07:19:00 PM
NBA scouts disagree, but I will defer to your superior wisdom and perspective. I will also defer to you over Shaka in regard to Gold.
Sources?
There have been so many draft projections posted here. Do your own work.
We're not competing with a team like UCONN if Tyko goes 2-11, 3 rebs, 3 dimes, 4 turns. I believe you will see a much better Kolek 3/6, in the BET, and in the NCAA tournament.
Willie
I love your enthusiasm, your longevity of being a fan and life story, but I think you are completely off the reservation on pretty much everything you posted in the last hour.
I am roughly 10+ years younger than you and desperately want to see MU win a NC for the first time since I was 13 years old. I'm not an expert, but I am a big Ben Gold fan, and this team can win the NC this season. A lot had to go right, but I think you are missing the boat big time.
UConn is better than MU and were much better today. That said, I hope you do not write this team off because they got blown out of the state CT today. As I said in another post, there might 2-3 more losses before the tournament starts, and I am good with that.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2024, 06:14:29 PM
Farley isn't the first poster to only come out after losses. It was an entire industry under Wojo. Chico used to become much more active after Buzz losses. Some posters just like to vent. Their right. Farley likes to troll after losses. His right. Can't take it personally or seriously.
losing to Wisconsin is personal. Seriously, I can't help it.
And unfortunately, Gard knows ball.
OK. Sucks for you. But it is good that you have a place to open up about your issues.
Your brother in law's team lost at fricking Iowa. And you are allowing his smack to affect you?
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 17, 2024, 05:46:10 PM
The worst metric there is.
Season long, not at all. You're just a big fan of losing players.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 17, 2024, 08:09:57 PM
Season long, not at all. You're just a big fan of losing players.
+/- is a very weak stat, just like FT%
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2024, 07:44:27 PM
Willie
I love your enthusiasm, your longevity of being a fan and life story, but I think you are completely off the reservation on pretty much everything you posted in the last hour.
I am roughly 10+ years younger than you and desperately want to see MU win a NC for the first time since I was 13 years old. I'm not an expert, but I am a big Ben Gold fan, and this team can win the NC this season. A lot had to go right, but I think you are missing the boat big time.
UConn is better than MU and were much better today. That said, I hope you do not write this team off because they got blown out of the state CT today. As I said in another post, there might 2-3 more losses before the tournament starts, and I am good with that.
LOL Goose
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 17, 2024, 07:44:04 PM
We're not competing with a team like UCONN if Tyko goes 2-11, 3 rebs, 3 dimes, 4 turns. I believe you will see a much better Kolek 3/6, in the BET, and in the NCAA tournament.
I hope so. Today it was a mugging. Tomorrow is another day.
I thought Tre Norman looked solid in his few minutes. Would've liked to see him get more run when they went down big.
Kam put us in a bad position with his 2 early fouls again and it just got away from us so fast. He's gotta stop doing that.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 18, 2024, 12:59:16 PM
I thought Tre Norman looked solid in his few minutes. Would've liked to see him get more run when they went down big.
Kam put us in a bad position with his 2 early fouls again and it just got away from us so fast. He's gotta stop doing that.
He looks slower on D, probably still hurting, falls behind guards he is defending leading to fouls.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 18, 2024, 01:05:27 PM
He looks slower on D, probably still hurting, falls behind guards he is defending leading to fouls.
Very possible.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 17, 2024, 08:27:27 PM
+/- is a very weak stat, just like FT%
Well we can use other stats if you like. I don't think you would disagree with the premise. Lowest ortg of the 8 guys playing. Oddly high usage. Lowest eFG% and TS% of the 8 playing. Lowest rebounding rates of everyone, though expected. Same TO rate as kolek with half the assists. Worst adjusted team EffMargin. Worst defensive adjusted eff when on the court. The stats are endless.
The weaknesses of (+/-) are the ability to know what groups player together. And what not. But when you can make direct comparisons to other bench unit players and can do so over the course of a season. It's perfectly acceptable.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2024, 07:44:27 PM
Willie
I love your enthusiasm, your longevity of being a fan and life story, but I think you are completely off the reservation on pretty much everything you posted in the last hour two decades.
FIFY
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 17, 2024, 05:07:11 PM
It's almost like you haven't watched a game over the last month.
The loss of Jones is one that is certainly felt. Jay Bilas wrote in his most recent ESPN piece, "Jones can change games with his speed, and his loss is significant." Yes, Marquette rattled off eight straight wins without him, but his presence on both sides - especially defensively - makes the team more formidable. He was also improving his outside shot. We'd be better, and deeper, with him in the lineup.
MU would be deeper and TKo would get more rest. Conversely, Shaka would play TKo off the ball with Sean in the game and the offense is less efficient with that line up.
Quote from: tower912 on February 18, 2024, 04:37:54 PM
MU would be deeper and TKo would get more rest. Conversely, Shaka would play TKo off the ball with Sean in the game and the offense is less efficient with that line up.
Its my opinion that Shaka's plan was to play SJ22 a bunch to not only give him confidence, but also to give Tyler rest throughout the year all while concealing the teams biggest offensive weapon on film until the latter parts of the season.
There was tape from last year, but wouldn't have been as much from this.
Then, shortly before the elimination game portion of the season he would have started getting Tyler more on the ball and back in the P&R gel with Oso to let the team get comfortable before the final stretch.
SJ22 would've been a solid chance of pace weapon and a breather for Kolek.
His hand was forced sooner than he wished imo.
Also, a pretty good plan for the season as a whole, even though you give up some extra Ls and a few seeds along the way.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 18, 2024, 03:18:23 PM
Well we can use other stats if you like. I don't think you would disagree with the premise. Lowest ortg of the 8 guys playing. Oddly high usage. Lowest eFG% and TS% of the 8 playing. Lowest rebounding rates of everyone, though expected. Same TO rate as kolek with half the assists. Worst adjusted team EffMargin. Worst defensive adjusted eff when on the court. The stats are endless.
The weaknesses of (+/-) are the ability to know what groups player together. And what not. But when you can make direct comparisons to other bench unit players and can do so over the course of a season. It's perfectly acceptable.
Blk%?
Quote from: DoctorV on February 17, 2024, 06:01:58 PM
So they didn't go full medieval and still won by the biggest top 5 margin in history?
What is full medieval then? Asking for a friend
That's a random stat. It's not the biggest loss by a top 5 team, its not the biggest loss by a top 5 team against another top 5 team, its not the biggest loss by a top 5 team in conference. It's the biggest lost by a top 5 team agains another top 5 team in conference.
It's a WGAF in a week.
Quote from: warriorfred on February 17, 2024, 04:58:54 PM
I believe the loss of Sean Jones took us out of title contention. He was a pace changer, defensive spark, gave Tyler a rest . . . so many little things to his game. He created havoc on defense and I have not seen that since he was injured. It is a different team.
The team as it is now would have to play to perfection to get to the Final Four. Marquette cannot start a game in the Tourney shooting 0-6, 0-8, 0-10, whatever . . . from the 3 point line. It seems to happen frequently against any team not named Georgetown.
Very down at the moment.
Not having Jones definitely doesn't help but to me, losing OMAX to the NBA is what's keeping us from greatness. Not having a bruiser inside hurts us and we're way too dependent on the 3 ball. When we hit at a good clip we're fine but when they don't fall we're completely exposed and the team retreats and loses confidence very quickly. We're a very good team, but Top 5? I just can't get there and have thought we've been slightly overrated all season. We're top 15 for sure, but I just don't think we're in the same class as the others. Sorry. Wish it weren't so. The first St. John's game could have easily gone the other way, and in the second game at home, the outcome of that game wasn't apparent until the last 1:40 or so as I recall. That game was MUCH closer than the final score indicated. Top 5 teams don't give up 20 point leads with 12 min to go in the 2nd half of any game. The 27 point loss to UCONN, while extremely frustrating, I can tolerate more for some reason. Every team, even great teams, have games like that once in a while. We beat Baylor at home last season by 26. They still ended up being a 3 seed. We man-handled Providence at home the season before by a similar margin. It happens. We could still make the final four, but not without shooting lights out every game in the tournament.
Quote from: Disco Hippie on February 19, 2024, 12:09:25 PM
Not having Jones definitely doesn't help but to me, losing OMAX to the NBA is what's keeping us from greatness. Not having a bruiser inside hurts us and we're way too dependent on the 3 ball. When we hit at a good clip we're fine but when they don't fall we're completely exposed and the team retreats and loses confidence very quickly. We're a very good team, but Top 5? I just can't get there and have thought we've been slightly overrated all season. We're top 15 for sure, but I just don't think we're in the same class as the others. Sorry. Wish it weren't so. The first St. John's game could have easily gone the other way, and in the second game at home, the outcome of that game wasn't apparent until the last 1:40 or so as I recall. That game was MUCH closer than the final score indicated. Top 5 teams don't give up 20 point leads with 12 min to go in the 2nd half of any game. The 27 point loss to UCONN, while extremely frustrating, I can tolerate more for some reason. Every team, even great teams, have games like that once in a while. We beat Baylor at home last season by 26. They still ended up being a 3 seed. We man-handled Providence at home the season before by a similar margin. It happens. We could still make the final four, but not without shooting lights out every game in the tournament.
For those who keep saying we need a bruiser inside:
1. How many of Oso's minutes would he take?
2. Where do you get this bruiser who would not start?
The bruiser would take Jop's minutes i believe
Jop is one of our best outside scorers. He would hypothetically take some of his minutes yes...but you can't significantly cut the minutes of one of your best offensive players.
Quote from: Disco Hippie on February 19, 2024, 12:09:25 PM
Not having Jones definitely doesn't help but to me, losing OMAX to the NBA is what's keeping us from greatness. Not having a bruiser inside hurts us and we're way too dependent on the 3 ball. When we hit at a good clip we're fine but when they don't fall we're completely exposed and the team retreats and loses confidence very quickly. We're a very good team, but Top 5? I just can't get there and have thought we've been slightly overrated all season. We're top 15 for sure, but I just don't think we're in the same class as the others. Sorry. Wish it weren't so. The first St. John's game could have easily gone the other way, and in the second game at home, the outcome of that game wasn't apparent until the last 1:40 or so as I recall. That game was MUCH closer than the final score indicated. Top 5 teams don't give up 20 point leads with 12 min to go in the 2nd half of any game. The 27 point loss to UCONN, while extremely frustrating, I can tolerate more for some reason. Every team, even great teams, have games like that once in a while. We beat Baylor at home last season by 26. They still ended up being a 3 seed. We man-handled Providence at home the season before by a similar margin. It happens. We could still make the final four, but not without shooting lights out every game in the tournament.
100%. Good take, Disco.
Quote from: Viper on February 19, 2024, 06:43:37 PM
100%. Good take, Disco.
Why? Which five teams are better?
UConn, Purdue, Houston, definitely. Pick another two.
I don't think you can say definitively that Arizona, UNC, or Tennessee are better. They might be, but I'm not sure.
If forced to pick, I'd probably say 6 behind AZ and Tennessee.
Other teams around us in the rankings...Illinois? No. Baylor? Don't think so. Creighton? No. Duke? No. Iowa state? Don't think so. Auburn? Maybe.
I think this is a legit top 5ish team.
UConn, Purdue, and Houston (I am finally sold) are the top 3. The next 6 you can throw a blanket over. MU is in that next 6. MU has weaknesses. MU can be bullied. But MU's A game can hang with anyone. See: Kansas, Purdue, Texas, Illinois.
A deep run is still on the table. Enjoy the ride. Don't fear the ride.
Quote from: tower912 on February 19, 2024, 07:21:14 PM
UConn, Purdue, and Houston (I am finally sold) are the top 3. The next 6 you can throw a blanket over. MU is in that next 6. MU has weaknesses. MU can be bullied. But MU's A game can hang with anyone. See: Kansas, Purdue, Texas, Illinois.
A deep run is still on the table. Enjoy the ride. Don't fear the ride.
I am hoping for the deep ride, however we don't have the consistent high level of play necessary to achieve that . Too many players with incomplete skill sets . Good opposing coaches take advantage of that. I am hoping to win 5 out next 6 to secure a 2 seed and hopefully make it to Sweet 16
Quote from: tower912 on February 19, 2024, 07:21:14 PM
UConn, Purdue, and Houston (I am finally sold) are the top 3. The next 6 you can throw a blanket over. MU is in that next 6. MU has weaknesses. MU can be bullied. But MU's A game can hang with anyone. See: Kansas, Purdue, Texas, Illinois.
A deep run is still on the table. Enjoy the ride. Don't fear the ride.
Define "deep"?
Quote from: tower912 on February 19, 2024, 07:21:14 PM
UConn, Purdue, and Houston (I am finally sold) are the top 3. The next 6 you can throw a blanket over. MU is in that next 6. MU has weaknesses. MU can be bullied. But MU's A game can hang with anyone. See: Kansas, Purdue, Texas, Illinois.
A deep run is still on the table. Enjoy the ride. Don't fear the ride.
Can't argue with that. When we're not having an A game is the problem. Sure, we can usually still squeak by the St. Johns' & Thomas' of the world when we don't, although not always (Butler at Home), but not against anyone in the top 10. We had A games against IL, KU, TX & Creighton. I'll even throw in the Purdue game, but WI, Seton Hall and Providence were complete duds. Granted WI is top 10 but SH & Providence are mid pack in our conf. The UCLA game could have easily gone the other way. I'm very glad it went our way, but if it didn't we wouldn't have the KU W. Look they're not going to win every game. Very few teams ever have, but in order to win the tournament, you need to have 6 A Games in a row which is really hard to do. Like everyone else, I want us to be truly elite, but there's a significant difference between the Top 3 and the rest, and we're not there yet. We're too guard heavy and it shows. If we had Jones, and Gold was a little bit further along, maybe. Shaka said pre-season Gold is only just starting to scratch the surface of how great he has the potential to be. I hope Shaka is right, but I fear he's reaching closer and closer to his ceiling with every passing game.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 19, 2024, 07:08:27 PM
Why? Which five teams are better?
UConn, Purdue, Houston, definitely. Pick another two.
I don't think you can say definitively that Arizona, UNC, or Tennessee are better. They might be, but I'm not sure.
If forced to pick, I'd probably say 6 behind AZ and Tennessee.
Other teams around us in the rankings...Illinois? No. Baylor? Don't think so. Creighton? No. Duke? No. Iowa state? Don't think so. Auburn? Maybe.
I think this is a legit top 5ish team.
agree on your top 3. I tend to lean AZ and Tenn are better. Iowa St can play some mean D. You know what team I'd hate to play in a tourney game? Drake. Very solid. And the top 5 MWC teams...underrated. But, upon further review, we're top 10, somewhere 7-10 seems 'bout right.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 19, 2024, 09:24:28 PM
Define "deep"?
If this team makes it to the second weekend it would be an improvement. Also, some please check this stat - has Shaka only made 1 sweet 16?
Quote from: Disco Hippie on February 19, 2024, 09:28:34 PM
Can't argue with that. When we're not having an A game is the problem. Sure, we can usually still squeak by the St. Johns' & Thomas' of the world when we don't, although not always (Butler at Home), but not against anyone in the top 10. We had A games against IL, KU, TX & Creighton. I'll even throw in the Purdue game, but WI, Seton Hall and Providence were complete duds. Granted WI is top 10 but SH & Providence are mid pack in our conf. The UCLA game could have easily gone the other way. I'm very glad it went our way, but if it didn't we wouldn't have the KU W. Look they're not going to win every game. Very few teams ever have, but in order to win the tournament, you need to have 6 A Games in a row which is really hard to do. Like everyone else, I want us to be truly elite. There's a big difference between Top 3 and the rest, and I just don't think we're yet. We're too guard heavy and too often, it shows.
Of course don't forget when we don't have our A game, we may be playing a team that is also not having an A game. So we don't necessarily need 6 A games to win it all.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 19, 2024, 09:24:28 PM
Define "deep"?
I don't see it going deeper than the round of 16, honestly. A second round exit would not shock me, with how inconsistent the shooting and rebounding tend to be.