In Kolek's postgame interview with Raft, he said "Oso is special, i've had 3 years playing with him, i'm going to miss it."
Raft asks, "Are you announcing your retirement?"
Tyler's response, "Not me, not me!"
Do with that, what you will.
Weve done so much with it, that its already got multiple threads on it
My deepest apologies ::)
I found it interesting that Kolek said in his post-game interview that he would miss Oso next year. Of course, he is not likely to be on same team with Oso no matter what he decides to do.
Quote from: bilsu on February 14, 2024, 08:01:41 AM
I found it interesting that Kolek said in his post-game interview that he would miss Oso next year. Of course, he is not likely to be on same team with Oso no matter what he decides to do.
Yeah, that's exactly how I read it. I don't think we should read too much into this.
Yeah, assume he is gone, rejoice if he returns is the play.
Oso: gowne
Kolek: gowne
Enjoy the next 2 months.
Not sure it makes sense for him to stay but I will be the first to welcome him back should he decide to do so!
How much NIL money could he make if he returns next year? That is kind of the wild card.
Quote from: PJDunn on February 14, 2024, 10:43:56 AM
How much NIL money could he make if he returns next year? That is kind of the wild card.
$69
Can confirm I have no intel if he's coming back or not.
"He's always motivated — but even more so [now] to be his best," Smart said of Kolek. "When you get to this time of the year, [in your] senior year, you know, it's go-time."
Enjoy these next 2 months.
To answer the question. We all want him to but NO. start your real career. I know NIL is $ and I dont know what that is exactly for him....but start your real career.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 14, 2024, 04:41:39 PM
To answer the question. We all want him to but NO. start your real career. I know NIL is $ and I dont know what that is exactly for him....but start your real career.
...real career? I'm in the minority here...I don't see NBA talent in TK. Great college talent...but similar to Bacot with UNC, I see 2nd rd pick (maybe), then a few years in the G and Europe. Nothing wrong with that, btw...good money can be made. But, if not a sure-fire 1st rd pick, why rush getting out of college? (unless TK is ready for the change) I hope TK runs it back for one more season with the Warriors, but do agree with the majority here that he's probably gone.
If he's having a blast every day and can bring in some coin, could see Tyler back
Quote from: Viper on February 14, 2024, 05:23:58 PM
I don't see NBA talent in TK.
Did you see NBA talent in O-Max at this point in his college career? In Max Strus? In Juan Anderson? In Sam Hauser? In Fred VanVleet? In Duncan Robinson? In any number of others who were drafted in the second round, or not at all, but who nonetheless had (or are having) productive NBA careers?
Kolek already possesses NBA-quality vision and passing ability. He isn't short or skinny, he's a good team defender and an underrated individual defender, he isn't afraid to mix it up inside for shots and rebounds, and he has improved significantly as a shooter (and probably can continue to do so).
I'll be surprised if there aren't several NBA teams who believe he has NBA talent.
Quote from: MU82 on February 14, 2024, 05:46:48 PM
Did you see NBA talent in O-Max at this point in his college career? In Max Strus? In Juan Anderson? In Sam Hauser? In Fred VanVleet? In Duncan Robinson? In any number of others who were drafted in the second round, or not at all, but who nonetheless had (or are having) productive NBA careers?
Kolek already possesses NBA-quality vision and passing ability. He isn't short or skinny, he's a good team defender and an underrated individual defender, he isn't afraid to mix it up inside for shots and rebounds, and he has improved significantly as a shooter (and probably can continue to do so).
I'll be surprised if there aren't several NBA teams who believe he has NBA talent.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2024-nba-mock-draft-french-star-alex-sarr-goes-no-1-kentucky-has-two-players-in-top-four/amp/
Quote from: Viper on February 14, 2024, 05:23:58 PM
...real career? I'm in the minority here...I don't see NBA talent in TK. Great college talent...but similar to Bacot with UNC, I see 2nd rd pick (maybe), then a few years in the G and Europe. Nothing wrong with that, btw...good money can be made. But, if not a sure-fire 1st rd pick, why rush getting out of college? (unless TK is ready for the change) I hope TK runs it back for one more season with the Warriors, but do agree with the majority here that he's probably gone.
His real career. DJO had a real career
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on February 14, 2024, 11:44:29 AM
Can confirm I have no intel if he's coming back or not.
My sources have all gone dark.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 14, 2024, 08:07:00 PM
My sources have all gone dark.
Were they introduced to darkness?
Quote from: MU82 on February 14, 2024, 05:46:48 PM
Did you see NBA talent in O-Max at this point in his college career? In Max Strus? In Juan Anderson? In Sam Hauser? In Fred VanVleet? In Duncan Robinson? In any number of others who were drafted in the second round, or not at all, but who nonetheless had (or are having) productive NBA careers?
Kolek already possesses NBA-quality vision and passing ability. He isn't short or skinny, he's a good team defender and an underrated individual defender, he isn't afraid to mix it up inside for shots and rebounds, and he has improved significantly as a shooter (and probably can continue to do so).
I'll be surprised if there aren't several NBA teams who believe he has NBA talent.
Collin Gillespie is presently on an NBA roster. TyKo is of comparable ( or better ) ability and is bigger .
Most importantly, TyKo possess one Excellent Elite Level skill ( in his case the Vision and Passing) . Having an elite level skill is what gets second round and undrafted free agent players into the league versus guys like Vander who are good at a lot of things but not great at one thing.
So it's just a question of finding the right team platform that fits with his style.
Quote from: MU82 on February 14, 2024, 05:46:48 PM
Did you see NBA talent in O-Max at this point in his college career? In Max Strus? In Juan Anderson? In Sam Hauser? In Fred VanVleet? In Duncan Robinson? In any number of others who were drafted in the second round, or not at all, but who nonetheless had (or are having) productive NBA careers?
Kolek already possesses NBA-quality vision and passing ability. He isn't short or skinny, he's a good team defender and an underrated individual defender, he isn't afraid to mix it up inside for shots and rebounds, and he has improved significantly as a shooter (and probably can continue to do so).
I'll be surprised if there aren't several NBA teams who believe he has NBA talent.
I did not see nba talent in any of those guys, no. (btw, Juan spent how many seasons in minor league ball?...and is maybe on a 10-day w/Sacramento...probably wouldn't have named him in your rebuttal)
Your reaching deep list to prove me wrong doesn't change my opinion of TK. Marginal ball handler. Marginal shooter. Slow release on the shot. Can he go right? I'm fine being wrong if he makes it, absolutely. Another MU guy in the nba would be great. (Btw and though Omax was a surprise 1st rd pick, it's been pretty much GL so far. And I know, the checks clear)
Quote from: Viper on February 14, 2024, 10:29:31 PM
I did not see nba talent in any of those guys, no. Doesn't change my opinion of TK. Marginal ball handler. Marginal shooter. Slow release on the shot. Can he go right? I'm fine being wrong if he makes it.
So, what you're saying is that you're not a very good judge of these things. Thanks!
To be honest ... I never saw the NBA in the futures of Strus, Juan and Robinson. I did think Sam Hauser would be an NBA player (and even bet the dearly departed keefe on it), I did think O-Max had a solid chance at a pro career, and I was quite surprised that VanVleet wasn't drafted because he could play. So these things aren't always easy to judge for sure.
I'm quite sure Kolek will be an NBA player. We're even seeing mocks projecting him as a late first-rounder, including one that Rico posted just today. So we'll see!
Quote from: Viper on February 14, 2024, 10:29:31 PM
I did not see nba talent in any of those guys, no. (btw, Juan spent how many seasons in minor league ball?...and is maybe on a 10-day w/Sacramento...probably wouldn't have named him in your rebuttal)
Your reaching deep list to prove me wrong doesn't change my opinion of TK. Marginal ball handler. Marginal shooter. Slow release on the shot. Can he go right? I'm fine being wrong if he makes it, absolutely. Another MU guy in the nba would be great. (Btw and though Omax was a surprise 1st rd pick, it's been pretty much GL so far. And I know, the checks clear)
Marginal ball handler and shooter? lol.
Juan had made almost $5MM in the NBA, playing in 202 NBA games.
750k a year is a lot of money to play 30 games when there are medical concerns. Don't be surprised either way.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2024, 10:49:05 PM
Marginal ball handler and shooter? lol.
No kidding. I'm wondering if Viper's watching the same games as the rest of us.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 14, 2024, 11:30:31 PM
No kidding. I'm wondering if Viper's watching the same games as the rest of us.
No, he's hate watching the Badgers
While checking out various mock drafts, I found two recent ones that don't have Kolek getting drafted but do have Kam getting drafted.
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10108174-2024-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-post-trade-deadline
So ya never know!
I thought Tyler said "Not me." When Raf asked if he was making a major announcement. Raf fumbled that exchange as he had no idea this is 13's last year regardless.
Quote from: Viper on February 14, 2024, 10:29:31 PM
I did not see nba talent in any of those guys, no. (btw, Juan spent how many seasons in minor league ball?...and is maybe on a 10-day w/Sacramento...probably wouldn't have named him in your rebuttal)
Your reaching deep list to prove me wrong doesn't change my opinion of TK. Marginal ball handler. Marginal shooter. Slow release on the shot. Can he go right? I'm fine being wrong if he makes it, absolutely. Another MU guy in the nba would be great. (Btw and though Omax was a surprise 1st rd pick, it's been pretty much GL so far. And I know, the checks clear)
This is insane.
"Marginal ball handler..." He has an assist rate over 40%
"Marginal shooter..." He's shooting 41% from 3 and has an EFG of .567. And I don't think he has a slow release at all.
His limitation in the NBA will be his size and if he can defend. But his ball handling and shooting are two of his best attributes IMO.
Do people seriously not understand how good this guy is??? He was the BEPOY last year, and he's playing even better this year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 07:56:08 AM
This is insane.
"Marginal ball handler..." He has an assist rate over 40%
"Marginal shooter..." He's shooting 41% from 3 and has an EFG of .567. And I don't think he has a slow release at all.
His limitation in the NBA will be his size and if he can defend. But his ball handling and shooting are two of his best attributes IMO.
Do people seriously not understand how good this guy is??? He was the BEPOY last year, and he's playing even better this year.
This is the biggest question - who can he defend in the NBA? Aside from that, he's definitely got the skills he needs. In fact, he's strong enough in those other areas that he'll probably get a shot in spite of concerns over who he can defend.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 15, 2024, 08:02:06 AM
This is the biggest question - who can he defend in the NBA? Aside from that, he's definitely got the skills he needs. In fact, he's strong enough in those other areas that he'll probably get a shot in spite of concerns over who he can defend.
He'll never be asked to be an elite defender in the NBA. Any team expecting him to be Jrue Holiday will be disappointed. He'll be a bench guy that can give you minutes in a lot of different spots.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 07:56:08 AM
This is insane.
"Marginal ball handler..." He has an assist rate over 40%
"Marginal shooter..." He's shooting 41% from 3 and has an EFG of .567. And I don't think he has a slow release at all.
His limitation in the NBA will be his size and if he can defend. But his ball handling and shooting are two of his best attributes IMO.
Do people seriously not understand how good this guy is??? He was the BEPOY last year, and he's playing even better this year.
Good post. Though I feel his defense is underrated. He's 13th out of 2,265 D1 basketball players that qualify in KenPom's Fouls committed/40 stat, at just 1.3/game. Tyler is deceptively quick and strong. Tyler is up to Number 10 overall in Ken Pom's Player of the Year rankings.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 07:56:08 AM
This is insane.
"Marginal ball handler..." He has an assist rate over 40%
"Marginal shooter..." He's shooting 41% from 3 and has an EFG of .567. And I don't think he has a slow release at all.
His limitation in the NBA will be his size and if he can defend. But his ball handling and shooting are two of his best attributes IMO.
Do people seriously not understand how good this guy is??? He was the BEPOY last year, and he's playing even better this year.
ok Scoop amigos...high school to D-1...huge difference. Do we agree? How many sure fire HS recruits don't do squat in D-1? College to pro...huge difference. Agreed?
I like TK as a college player, I just don't see NBA in his game. Weak going to the right. Slow release on the outside shot, imo. Can he create his own shot? Can he defend NBA guards? TK, check Trae Young tnite. 🤔
As I have posted prior...hoping he makes it to the nba, absolutely. I'm a TK fan!!!
(btw, Sultan...what do you ever post that's anything other than reactionary?) Ball in.check
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 15, 2024, 08:32:35 AM
Good post. Though I feel his defense is underrated. He's 13th out of 2,265 D1 basketball players that qualify in KenPom's Fouls committed/40 stat, at just 1.3/game. Tyler is deceptively quick and strong. Tyler is up to Number 10 overall in Ken Pom's Player of the Year rankings.
I think his college defense is fine. No doubt. He's just not overly tall or overly big which may cause some issues at the next level.
Quote from: Viper on February 15, 2024, 08:33:12 AM
ok Scoop amigos...high school to D-1...huge difference. Do we agree? How many sure fire HS recruits don't do squat in D-1? College to pro...huge difference. Agreed?
I like TK as a college player, I just don't see NBA in his game. Weak going to the right. Slow release on the outside shot, imo. Can he create his own shot? Can he defend NBA guards? TK, check Trae Young tnite. 🤔
As I have posted prior...hoping he makes it to the nba, absolutely. I'm a TK fan!!!
(btw, Sultan...what do you ever post that's anything other than reactionary?) Ball in.check
He is absolutely fine going to his right and he doesn't have a slow release.
If you don't want me to react, don't post dumb stuff.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2024, 08:23:03 AM
He'll never be asked to be an elite defender in the NBA. Any team expecting him to be Jrue Holiday will be disappointed. He'll be a bench guy that can give you minutes in a lot of different spots.
This.
I haven't seen anybody predict that Kolek is going to be a 10-year NBA starter. He has skills that an NBA team will value IMHO. And as Ners said, he's not a total defensive bust. He's got quick hands and he plays smart positionally.
Offensively, Kolek has improved at going to his right, but I'd agree with Viper that he needs to get better still at both driving right and shooting RH layups as he'll be trying to dribble and drive against elite defenders. His shot has improved markedly but can still get better; as a shooter, he has a pretty high ceiling IMHO, because we know he will work and work and work to improve.
There are numerous players in the NBA who didn't seem to have much of a chance but had careers, with some having long careers. Several of our fellow Marquette alums serve as pretty nice examples.
Kolek is a great college point guard. IMO, comparisons to Winston and Brunson are warranted. Two PG's who absolutely controlled the game. Due to scheme, neither went to the basket as fiercely as Kolek. Both were more than willing to pull up and take the 12 footer. Winston has not made his mark at the next level, Brunson has.
At the next level, being 6'3 is comparatively small. Kolek does not have a particularly quick release on his 3 pt shot. His on-ball defense is adequate, but will definitely need work. His attributes will move up. His ability to see the floor, run the pick and roll, and lead all translate. He is a good shooter and a crafty finisher. NBA players are quicker, but in the regular season there isn't the all out commitment to defend the rim. I think Kolek can play at the next level. I don't know if he can start at the next level. However, with his work ethic and attitude, nothing would surprise me.
Good point from tower and others about Kolek's master-class level of execution on the pick-and-roll. Lots and lots and lots of NBA coaches love the pick-and-roll/pick-and-pop. Kolek is the best player in college basketball at running it, and he will be run it well at the next level, too, especially if he shows he can hit NBA 3s at 36% or better.
Quote from: MU82 on February 15, 2024, 09:08:44 AM
Good point from tower and others about Kolek's master-class level of execution on the pick-and-roll. Lots and lots and lots of NBA coaches love the pick-and-roll/pick-and-pop. Kolek is the best player in college basketball at running it, and he will be run it well at the next level, too, especially if he shows he can hit NBA 3s at 36% or better.
Agree. Would be amazing if the NBA team who drafts Oso works out a deal to position themselves (may not even have to trade up), to draft Tyler. Of course that would need to be a team who is also looking for a PG, but Pitno called them Stockton and Malone. Their chemistry and basketball IQ would seem to translate well together at the next level.
I'll be shocked if TKO doesn't play in the NBA at some point as a back-up PG.
As for him being a "marginal" ball-handler and shooter, thanks for the laugh.
Collin Gillespie is playing in the NBA this year. I'd take Kolek today over Gillespie today, let alone during their times in college. Ryan Arcidiacono is in his 7th NBA season. TJ McConnell is a rotational player for a Playoff team.
Enjoy Kolek for these next 2 months.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 08:49:19 AM
He is absolutely fine going to his right and he doesn't have a slow release.
If you don't want me to react, don't post dumb stuff.
awesome!!! classic!! Archive worthy!! Post dumb stuff folks...and look out below!!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 15, 2024, 09:33:44 AM
I'll be shocked if TKO doesn't play in the NBA at some point as a back-up PG.
As for him being a "marginal" ball-handler and shooter, thanks for the laugh.
If you are seriously comparing Kolek's ball handling and PG skills to Vander Blue, then I don't know what to tell you. Other than both being 6'3-4 ish guards who went to MU, there games are completely different.
Quote from: tower912 on February 15, 2024, 10:04:11 AM
If you are seriously comparing Kolek's ball handling and PG skills to Vander Blue, then I don't know what to tell you. Other than both being 6'3-4 ish guards who went to MU, there games are completely different.
(no comparison) you missed the weak attempt at a joke. Just Viper posting stupid stuff. Vander Blue Man thanked Viper for the laugh. So, a laughing Vander.
Fair enough. I did not read it as a joke. Mea culpa.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 14, 2024, 11:30:31 PM
No kidding. I'm wondering if Viper's watching the same games as the rest of us.
I think he is......as long as the Badgers aren't on at the same time.
Quote from: tower912 on February 15, 2024, 10:12:21 AM
Fair enough. I did not read it as a joke. Mea culpa.
That's cause jokes are usually funny.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 14, 2024, 05:27:58 PM
If he's having a blast every day and can bring in some coin, could see Tyler back
Having a blast without Oso would be more difficult.
Quote from: tower912 on February 15, 2024, 09:04:51 AM
Kolek is a great college point guard. IMO, comparisons to Winston and Brunson are warranted. Two PG's who absolutely controlled the game. Due to scheme, neither went to the basket as fiercely as Kolek. Both were more than willing to pull up and take the 12 footer. Winston has not made his mark at the next level, Brunson has.
At the next level, being 6'3 is comparatively small. Kolek does not have a particularly quick release on his 3 pt shot. His on-ball defense is adequate, but will definitely need work. His attributes will move up. His ability to see the floor, run the pick and roll, and lead all translate. He is a good shooter and a crafty finisher. NBA players are quicker, but in the regular season there isn't the all out commitment to defend the rim. I think Kolek can play at the next level. I don't know if he can start at the next level. However, with his work ethic and attitude, nothing would surprise me.
Excellent post. Wouldn't surprise me either way, I hope he lands a roster spot and gets some minutes.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 10:27:57 AM
That's cause jokes are usually funny.
Meh. Anybody who tells jokes knows sometimes they don't land. Going back and reading what he wrote in the context of him trying to joke, I can see where he was going. Hell, people took 'load management' as some sign that I want MU to phone it in against UConn.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2024, 10:49:05 PM
Marginal ball handler and shooter? lol.
Juan had made almost $5MM in the NBA, playing in 202 NBA games.
2 M's: you clearly work in finance/accounting
Quote from: tower912 on February 15, 2024, 10:39:01 AM
Meh. Anybody who tells jokes knows sometimes they don't land. Going back and reading what he wrote in the context of him trying to joke, I can see where he was going. Hell, people took 'load management' as some sign that I want MU to phone it in against UConn.
I have experienced the bolded on many occasions. Few appreciate my brilliant wit.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 15, 2024, 10:24:29 AM
I think he is......as long as the Badgers aren't on at the same time.
embrace the hate!!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 15, 2024, 10:58:19 AM
Few appreciate my brilliant wit.
Everyone appreciates your brilliant wit. It's just that you only rarely sprinkle it in with your usual wit. ;)
Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 15, 2024, 11:52:00 AM
Everyone appreciates your brilliant wit. It's just that you only rarely sprinkle it in with your usual wit. ;)
Kudos. Ya
got me!
Probably has been posted already but read yesterday that Tyler had the 9th highest NIL in college basketball at 771,000 is that true
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 15, 2024, 11:58:42 AM
Probably has been posted already but read yesterday that Tyler had the 9th highest NIL in college basketball at 771,000 is that true
Not sure anyone would know the actual number aside from Tyler.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 15, 2024, 12:00:53 PM
Not sure anyone would know the actual number aside from Tyler.
Agree. Here is the article from BIVMM Sports
BIVMM
SPORTS
Top 10 richest men's college basketball stars based on NIL
9. Tyler Kolek
The senior guard for the Marquette Golden Eagles has an NIL valuation of $771,000.
Kolek's NIL worth has doubled since the start of the 2023 season. That's not a surprise considering that he's ranked as the No. 1 guard for the season, according to The Athletic. His marketability continues to skyrocket as Marquette maintains its spot within the top five of the AP men's college basketball poll.
He has booked some lucrative deals even though he has the smallest social media following among the top 10 NIL earners (15,000 followers on Instagram and 2,500 on
X). His partnerships include TKO Miller Investment Banking, Who's on Third (Milwaukee sports pub) and Daps
That's an implied value based on factors they come up with. That doesn't mean he earns that amount - it could be more, it could be less. No one really knows except for Tyler.
Quote from: tower912 on February 15, 2024, 09:04:51 AM
Kolek is a great college point guard. IMO, comparisons to Winston and Brunson are warranted. Two PG's who absolutely controlled the game. Due to scheme, neither went to the basket as fiercely as Kolek. Both were more than willing to pull up and take the 12 footer. Winston has not made his mark at the next level, Brunson has.
At the next level, being 6'3 is comparatively small. Kolek does not have a particularly quick release on his 3 pt shot. His on-ball defense is adequate, but will definitely need work. His attributes will move up. His ability to see the floor, run the pick and roll, and lead all translate. He is a good shooter and a crafty finisher. NBA players are quicker, but in the regular season there isn't the all out commitment to defend the rim. I think Kolek can play at the next level. I don't know if he can start at the next level. However, with his work ethic and attitude, nothing would surprise me.
Let's look at Ryan Arcidiacono as a comp for Tyler. Ryan is listed at 6'-3" and 195 lbs, so he and Kolek are the same size.
Tyler and Ryan have the same college career 3 pt shooting percentage, but that is pretty much where the similarities end. The difference in assist numbers is pretty stark with Ryan at 4.7 per 40 min where Tyler is at 7.7. Tyler is quicker and stronger than Ryan, and is a much better facilitating point guard. Tyler also has better numbers per 40 in rebounds and steals. The Kenpom stats tell the same story.
If Arci can carve out a 7 year career in the league averaging 15 minutes a game, there is no reason why Tyler couldn't do the same. I feel that level of production would be the floor of Tyler's career at the next level.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 15, 2024, 09:33:44 AM
I'll be shocked if TKO doesn't play in the NBA at some point as a back-up PG.
As for him being a "marginal" ball-handler and shooter, thanks for the laugh.
Once again I think Deiner, specifically his NBA career, are pretty good comps for TKo...though I would take the over on him if I were betting.
Quote from: MU82 on February 14, 2024, 05:46:48 PM
Did you see NBA talent in O-Max at this point in his college career? In Max Strus? In Juan Anderson? In Sam Hauser? In Fred VanVleet? In Duncan Robinson? In any number of others who were drafted in the second round, or not at all, but who nonetheless had (or are having) productive NBA careers?
Kolek already possesses NBA-quality vision and passing ability. He isn't short or skinny, he's a good team defender and an underrated individual defender, he isn't afraid to mix it up inside for shots and rebounds, and he has improved significantly as a shooter (and probably can continue to do so).
I'll be surprised if there aren't several NBA teams who believe he has NBA talent.
I went to the Denver Nuggets game last night and saw Colin Gillespie getting multiple minutes in an NBA game and I'd take TK11 over him anytime 8-)
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 14, 2024, 09:13:19 PM
Were they introduced to darkness?
Sounds like an Aaron Rodgers sabbatical
Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2024, 09:44:17 AM
Collin Gillespie is playing in the NBA this year. I'd take Kolek today over Gillespie today, let alone during their times in college. Ryan Arcidiacono is in his 7th NBA season. TJ McConnell is a rotational player for a Playoff team.
Enjoy Kolek for these next 2 months.
Yep yep yep.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2024, 12:09:12 PM
That's an implied value based on factors they come up with. That doesn't mean he earns that amount - it could be more, it could be less. No one really knows except for Tyler.
I bet there is some sports agent that makes up these valuations. And, they probably lead to more players going into the transfer portal, saying "look what you should be paying me!" But, are they what players actually get? As Sultan says, only they know.
Has there ever been a 3 time BEPOY?
That would be cool.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 15, 2024, 04:34:23 PM
Has there ever been a 3 time BEPOY?
That would be cool.
Yes..... Chris Mullen
Quite a few have won it twice
I actually should have known that.
Not bad company to be in!
Help me understand this. I would love to see people with cash give Tyler NIL money because they want him to be compensated for playing for Marquette. But this is his senior year. Do you really think he sat there and said give me a bunch of cash or I'm going into the portal and I'm leaving?
He was not highly recruited coming out of high school. His coach left and he made a move to jump up into the Big East when Marquette was not in a situation to compete for the BE title. Still he understood that he could start at point guard if he worked hard. And wouldn't that be a dream come true?
And look what happened and what evolved after Shaka took over. And now Tyler is the guy who stirs the drink. And will push the team into the Elite 8.
If it was his junior year maybe he would be tempted but this situation is different IMO. He couldn't be in a better situation. And he knows that. There's no better place for his family to see him play and they enjoy it every time they see him play. And maybe some money will trickle down. It doesn't really matter. You work hard and you get what you deserve.
Quote from: oilcan on February 15, 2024, 05:54:40 PM
Do you really think he sat there and said give me a bunch of cash or I'm going into the portal and I'm leaving?
No. If he leaves, it would be for a pro career.
The concern could be age.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 17, 2024, 06:23:08 AM
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Gard will make a call. Age? No worry. And...Gard knows ball.
Tyler will get drafted. And there's a chance he's drafted in the 1st round. A PG of his size who can pass the way he can — no doubt he's got the stuff for a legit NBA career.
If he returns, I'll contribute.
Quote from: Babybluejeans on February 17, 2024, 09:12:52 AM
Tyler will get drafted. And there's a chance he's drafted in the 1st round. A PG of his size who can pass the way he can — no doubt he's got the stuff for a legit NBA career.
He does well at the college level. However, everyone in the league is bigger, taller, faster, stronger. It's games like today that make me question if he'll be drafted. UConn is big fast and long. they totally shut him down.
There's a lot more room on an NBA floor though.
And they were bigger, stronger, and faster last year when Kolek dominated them.
College kids aren't always the most consistent athletes in the world.
UConn's game plan was to stop Kolek and Oso. Neither one will be focused on that intensely at the next level.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 17, 2024, 04:12:30 PM
Says old News is good News
You're not getting any oro next weekend
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 17, 2024, 04:16:12 PM
He does well at the college level. However, everyone in the league is bigger, taller, faster, stronger. It's games like today that make me question if he'll be drafted. UConn is big fast and long. they totally shut him down.
be careful or risk a rebuttal from 82.
Quote from: Viper on February 17, 2024, 08:01:27 PM
be careful or risk a rebuttal from 82.
No player drafted into the NBA has ever had a bad game.
I would expect MU82 to defend logic.
Or, you can Google Tyler Kolek NBA draft and see what pops up.
There are some crazy fxxkin takes on scoop. I am a messed up poster in a lot of ways, but sometimes I cannot believe what I read on here.
Goose, scoop takes after losses are legendary. You are seeing it from a different perspective this season.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2024, 08:11:03 PM
There are some crazy fxxkin takes on scoop. I am a messed up poster in a lot of ways, but sometimes I cannot believe what I read on here.
LOL again Goose
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2024, 08:18:36 PM
Goose, scoop takes after losses are legendary. You are seeing it from a different perspective this season.
If you're looking for "legendary takes" how about this one. Uconn's 28 point win over the Kolek led Eagles is the largest margin of victory in a top-five conference matchup
in AP poll history.Tyler only scored 7 points (18% fg) and had more turnovers then assists. Please forgive those of us that are a little pi$$ed off that Tyler and team forgot to show up.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 17, 2024, 09:10:15 PM
If you're looking for "legendary takes" how about this one. Uconn's 28 point win over the Kolek led Eagles is the largest margin of victory in a top-five conference matchup in AP poll history.
Tyler only scored 7 points (18% fg) and had more turnovers then assists. Please forgive those of us that are a little pi$$ed off that Tyler and team forgot to show up.
In your time of sorrow, here is hoping you find peace
Be pissed. It still only counts as one loss. 6 regular season games to.go.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2024, 09:14:52 PM
In your time of sorrow, here is hoping you find peace
I appreciate your thoughts during this difficult time.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 17, 2024, 09:23:53 PM
I appreciate your thoughts during this difficult time.
God Bless
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2024, 09:14:52 PM
In your time of sorrow, here is hoping you find peace
Uncle Rico, SJ?
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 17, 2024, 09:10:15 PM
If you're looking for "legendary takes" how about this one. Uconn's 28 point win over the Kolek led Eagles is the largest margin of victory in a top-five conference matchup in AP poll history.
Tyler only scored 7 points (18% fg) and had more turnovers than assists. Please forgive those of us that are a little pi$$ed off that Tyler and team forgot to show up.
Y'all really pissed off about this?
Quote from: Viper on February 17, 2024, 09:41:28 PM
Uncle Rico, SJ?
Rico if you're in San Juan lmk, I'll pay your drinks.
All that October/November 2023 National Championship goal talk was fun though.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 17, 2024, 09:48:25 PM
Y'all really pissed off about this?
Sultan going with his best Hillary. Carry your own hot sauce too?
Quote from: Viper on February 18, 2024, 05:23:34 AM
Sultan going with his best Hillary. Carry your own hot sauce too?
What?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 17, 2024, 09:48:25 PM
Y'all really pissed off about this?
Truly "pissed"? No, this is just college basketball.
Did I think we were going to win yesterday? No, However I also didn't think this team would make history either.
History is fun.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 18, 2024, 07:34:49 AM
Truly "pissed"? No, this is just college basketball.
Did I think we were going to win yesterday? No, However I also didn't think this team would make history either.
I mean, you are the one who said you were a little pissed off...
Can anyone tell me what the previous largest margin of victory in a conference top 5 matchup was?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 18, 2024, 08:53:27 AM
Can anyone tell me what the previous largest margin of victory in a conference top 5 matchup was?
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Quote from: Newsdreams on February 18, 2024, 09:28:14 AM
I thought it was like our ranking tomorrow, 26
We shouldn't be ranked
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2024, 09:49:52 AM
We shouldn't be ranked
Lost to UWM, St. Thomas, Butler & after yesterday's travesty I agree.
Quote from: Viper on February 18, 2024, 05:23:34 AM
Sultan going with his best Hillary. Carry your own hot sauce too?
I was so mad I threw ketchup all over the walls
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 18, 2024, 10:58:31 AM
I was so mad I threw ketchup all over the walls
Dentist are going to be upset
Quote from: Viper on February 17, 2024, 08:01:27 PM
be careful or risk a rebuttal from 82.
You've already admitted you're not very good at judging these things.
But yes, if again pointing out the fact that Ryan Arcidiacano, TJ McConnell and Travis Diener have had long NBA careers is a "rebuttal," then yes, consider this another rebuttal.
https://www.on3.com/pro/news/2024-nba-draft-cbs-sports-shakes-up-1st-round-pick-predictions-in-new-mock-draft/
Oso at 19.
TKO at 30.
Quote from: tower912 on February 18, 2024, 04:44:15 PM
https://www.on3.com/pro/news/2024-nba-draft-cbs-sports-shakes-up-1st-round-pick-predictions-in-new-mock-draft/
Oso at 19.
TKO at 30.
Enjoy the next 2 months.
Quote from: MU82 on February 18, 2024, 11:55:54 AM
You've already admitted you're not very good at judging these things.
But yes, if again pointing out the fact that Ryan Arcidiacano, TJ McConnell and Travis Diener have had long NBA careers is a "rebuttal," then yes, consider this another rebuttal.
long? Diener's was 5, Captain O.
Quote from: Viper on February 19, 2024, 06:42:23 AM
long? Diener's was 5, Captain O.
5 years is a long career. Made millions of dollars, will receive a full pension. That's a longer career than a whole lot of lottery picks have had over the years.
And Kolek is better at most things than he was*
(*Diener almost singlehandedly carried us to an NCAAT win and then continued to play extraordinarily well as we reached the 2003 Final Four. Time will tell if Kolek can do that. But that's a college accomplishment, and it doesn't have any affect on a pro career.)
Quote from: Viper on February 19, 2024, 06:42:23 AM
long? Diener's was 5, Captain O.
LOL, you initially said that you don't think Kolek would make the NBA, but are now suggesting that a 5-year career isn't long enough? That's actually above the average length.
And I believe Travis could have stuck around longer but had a more lucrative contract offer in Italy.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 19, 2024, 07:58:18 AM
LOL, you initially said that you don't think Kolek would make the NBA, but are now suggesting that a 5-year career isn't long enough? That's actually above the average length.
And I believe Travis could have stuck around longer but had a more lucrative contract offer in Italy.
if picking a team, I'd take Travis over TK all day every day.
Quote from: Viper on February 19, 2024, 10:02:52 AM
if picking a team, I'd take Travis over TK all day every day.
I will ignore the goalpost shift for the time-being, and while that is certainly a defensible position, they aren't nearly as different as you are implying. Tyler is bigger, and a little better scorer, but they were in pretty different offensive systems.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 19, 2024, 10:12:02 AM
I will ignore the goalpost shift for the time-being, and while that is certainly a defensible position, they aren't nearly as different as you are implying. Tyler is bigger, and a little better scorer, but they were in pretty different offensive systems.
TKO is actually decent defender as well. He, and his teammates, had bad games at that end on Saturday, but Kolek is solid on D on the ball and good off the ball (really good anticipation in the passing lanes). In the games leading up to UConn, TKO made some $ and he'll make some more before the season is over.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 19, 2024, 10:12:02 AM
I will ignore the goalpost shift for the time-being, and while that is certainly a defensible position, they aren't nearly as different as you are implying. Tyler is bigger, and a little better scorer, but they were in pretty different offensive systems.
...and I don't think TK makes the NBA. I love the guy. Glad he's a Warrior, just don't see what most of you Scoopers do. I did, btw, think Diener would be drafted.
P.S. if any of you bid on the framed Diener jersey at the Dec. '22 B&G Fund auction...awesome!!!
Kolek is a lot closer to being a 1st round pick and having 10mil guaranteed than he is to go undrafted and never play in the NBA. The NBA has a severe lack of good PG play right now and many teams would kill to have a backup PG who can run offense like Kolek does.
Quote from: Viper on February 19, 2024, 10:39:28 AM
...and I don't think TK makes the NBA. I love the guy. Glad he's a Warrior, just don't see what most of you Scoopers do. I did, btw, think Diener would be drafted.
P.S. if any of you bid on the framed Diener jersey at the Dec. '22 B&G Fund auction...awesome!!!
I mean, it's not just scoopers saying he'll play in the NBA. When Gary Parrish mocks him at the end of the first round, it's because of intel he has about what's being said about prospects.
You've been wrong about TyKo since the beginning. You're wrong about this, too
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2024, 10:52:41 AM
I mean, it's not just scoopers saying he'll play in the NBA. When Gary Parrish mocks him at the end of the first round, it's because of intel he has about what's being said about prospects.
You've been wrong about TyKo since the beginning. You're wrong about this, too
🤔 I'm not wrong about anything yet.
Quote from: Viper on February 19, 2024, 06:47:01 PM
🤔 I'm not wrong about anything yet.
You said he was a backup, so yes, you've been wrong about him.
Who is better? Him or Tyrese Hunter?
Quote from: Viper on February 19, 2024, 06:47:01 PM
🤔 I'm not wrong about anything yet.
you might want to check your posting history
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2024, 07:41:01 PM
You said he was a backup, so yes, you've been wrong about him.
Who is better? Him or Tyrese Hunter?
Quote from: Viper on December 08, 2021, 11:33:39 PM
Kolek does some good things, but a shooter he is not. Bad ball rotation on the shot. He might have a game here or there, but the ball rotation on the release is verification of consistent inconsistency. Can he be a pure pt guard? Maybe. But I'd get more minutes for Mitchell. Find more minutes for Joplin too.
He might have a game here or there
Yikes.
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 19, 2024, 08:05:36 PM
quote author=Viper link=topic=62563.msg1393935#msg1393935 date=1639028019]
Kolek does some good things, but a shooter he is not. Bad ball rotation on the shot. He might have a game here or there, but the ball rotation on the release is verification of consistent inconsistency. Can he be a pure pt guard? Maybe. But I'd get more minutes for Mitchell. Find more minutes for Joplin too.
He might have a game here or there
I was initially wrong about Kolek. Completely different player once he began his first season in the Big East. Had some real dog games in non-conference in '21-'22 but was a different player by the end of the year
Part of a Shaka pattern at Marquette. Guys getting better
Yahoo Sports' latest mock draft has neither Oso nor Kolek going in the first round, and they don't do a mock for the second round.
https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-mock-draft-50-will-another-french-prospect-be-the-no-1-overall-pick-162452829.html?.tsrc=1317
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2024, 07:41:01 PM
You said he was a backup, so yes, you've been wrong about him.
Who is better? Him or Tyrese Hunter?
TK has turned out much better than the the former Racine St Catherine all-state star. I'm not aware of Hunter doing much at Texas.
Does TK equal or surpass the nba career of Dwight Buycks? Or, does TK equal or surpass the nba career of 2x nba dunk champ Mac McClung? Mac has played all of 4 games (82 would call that a long career, btw)
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 19, 2024, 08:04:55 PM
you might want to check your posting history
😁 c = degree!
Quote from: Viper on February 21, 2024, 01:37:23 PM
TK has turned out much better than the the former Racine St Catherine all-state star. I'm not aware of Hunter doing much at Texas.
Does TK equal or surpass the nba career of Dwight Buycks? Or, does TK equal or surpass the nba career of 2x nba dunk champ Mac McClung? Mac has played all of 4 games (82 would call that a long career, btw)
Man, you're easily triggered when someone disagrees with you. Or even if someone points out a fact ... such as a 5-year NBA career is longer than average
And yes, TK will surpass the NBA careers of both Buycks and McClung. His best skill set -- incredible court vision and passing ability -- is more valuable to NBA teams than the best skill set either of those two had. In McClung's case, 6-footers who can jump high aren't much in demand.
IMHO, of course. The beautiful thing is we'll get to find out.
Quote from: Viper on February 21, 2024, 01:37:23 PM
TK has turned out much better than the the former Racine St Catherine all-state star. I'm not aware of Hunter doing much at Texas.
Does TK equal or surpass the nba career of Dwight Buycks? Or, does TK equal or surpass the nba career of 2x nba dunk champ Mac McClung? Mac has played all of 4 games (82 would call that a long career, btw)
Yes to both questions and it won't be close. I'd guess he plays 100+ nba games with a solid chance to play 5x that.
Tyler coming back to break Miller's assist record?
https://twitter.com/KolekTyler/status/1760537047377350869?t=ESVUfbNo_jUgpkPgFS7Lzw&s=19
Quote from: MUbiz on February 21, 2024, 11:46:48 PM
Tyler coming back to break Miller's assist record?
https://twitter.com/KolekTyler/status/1760537047377350869?t=ESVUfbNo_jUgpkPgFS7Lzw&s=19
Viper posted in the replies.
https://x.com/tylerkolek/status/1760541737578058149?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 19, 2024, 08:05:36 PM
He might have a game here or there
nice cherry pick. 5-pts...
1) at least I'll go out on a line. Did you think TK was anything other than serviceable after his first year? I'll answer for you...agreed Viper. TK was just a guy.
2) hindsight is 20/20, yes? Again, a cherry pick from two years ago when probably 90% of the Scoopers were analyzing as I was...odd shot release. Sidewinder rotation on the shot. Struggles going right. Drive & kick-outs seem his forte.
3) now the libs on this mailbag of oddballs come out of the woodwork...oh look, TK is great. That outspoken Viper... is wrong again. As I've said before, the reactionary among you...bold...not.
4) I do, however, appreciate that I'm developing a fan club. Any Mke-area locals that would like to meet yours truly...let's grab a beer or dinner. Rocket Surgeon...let's gooooo!
5) repeat 1-4
I think the only time it's really necessary to pull receipts is when someone denies something they said... or they're just lying.
It's totally normal to feel one way about Tyler two years ago compared to now. He has improved since then very clearly.
In fact, if we are going to bomb people for their takes about players as Freshman, I'm sure there are more than a few scoopers who wrote off Oso for his first couple of years who would be eating a large helping of crow.
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2024, 02:06:51 PM
Man, you're easily triggered when someone disagrees with you. Or even if someone points out a fact ... such as a 5-year NBA career is longer than average
And yes, TK will surpass the NBA careers of both Buycks and McClung. His best skill set -- incredible court vision and passing ability -- is more valuable to NBA teams than the best skill set either of those two had. In McClung's case, 6-footers who can jump high aren't much in demand.
IMHO, of course. The beautiful thing is we'll get to find out.
really...we'll get to find out? You guarantee that, Cpt Obvious 😂? Another post of stating nothing compelling from the master of the average. A simplistic diatribe of the mundane. But hey, Sultan and Uncle Rico SJ are in your club. Lawdog77? I'll let you know. Probably a guy that was no D in pick-up games at Old Gym, but loved to hoist prayer shots from deep, then bragged over beer at The Gym that he couldn't miss...or something like that. But, what do I know? I'm lost. Do make some laugh with the outrageous and extreme, don't know ball, Badger obsessed, unvaxed, want America and Marquette basketball great again, and a supporter of the dentist's. Yeah!
Quote from: Viper on February 22, 2024, 07:24:07 AM
nice cherry pick. 5-pts...
1) at least I'll go out on a line. Did you think TK was anything other than serviceable after his first year? I'll answer for you...agreed Viper. TK was just a guy.
2) hindsight is 20/20, yes? Again, a cherry pick from two years ago when probably 90% of the Scoopers were analyzing as I was...odd shot release. Sidewinder rotation on the shot. Struggles going right. Drive & kick-outs seem his forte.
3) now the libs on this mailbag of oddballs come out of the woodwork...oh look, TK is great. That outspoken Viper... is wrong again. As I've said before, the reactionary among you...bold...not.
4) I do, however, appreciate that I'm developing a fan club. Any Mke-area locals that would like to meet yours truly...let's grab a beer or dinner. Rocket Surgeon...let's gooooo!
5) repeat 1-4
My point is not that you were wrong about Tyler. My point is that you were failing to admit you were wrong.
Me personally, I try not to judge Shaka's recruits during their first year. I trust the process.
Quote from: Viper on February 22, 2024, 07:24:07 AM
nice cherry pick. 5-pts...
1) at least I'll go out on a line. Did you think TK was anything other than serviceable after his first year? I'll answer for you...agreed Viper. TK was just a guy.
2) hindsight is 20/20, yes? Again, a cherry pick from two years ago when probably 90% of the Scoopers were analyzing as I was...odd shot release. Sidewinder rotation on the shot. Struggles going right. Drive & kick-outs seem his forte.
3) now the libs on this mailbag of oddballs come out of the woodwork...oh look, TK is great. That outspoken Viper... is wrong again. As I've said before, the reactionary among you...bold...not.
4) I do, however, appreciate that I'm developing a fan club. Any Mke-area locals that would like to meet yours truly...let's grab a beer or dinner. Rocket Surgeon...let's gooooo!
5) repeat 1-4
I guess the difference is some of us who were down on TK two years ago, have since realized how much he has evolved as a player. He doesn't have problems going to his right. He certainly doesn't have a problem with his shot. Yet you are somehow sticking to these observations from two years ago to form your opinions today.
And I have no idea that this is a position of the "libs." Very strange that you decided to insert politics into this.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 22, 2024, 07:41:35 AM
I think the only time it's really necessary to pull receipts is when someone denies something they said... or they're just lying.
It's totally normal to feel one way about Tyler two years ago compared to now. He has improved since then very clearly.
In fact, if we are going to bomb people for their takes about players as Freshman, I'm sure there are more than a few scoopers who wrote off Oso for his first couple of years who would be eating a large helping of crow.
100%. Let me add...I love the banter...I hack on 82 and Sultan but would gladly buy em a beer...typically am posting while laughing my arse off because all takes are just classic (in this case this AM I've spit coffee at least 3x's) and welcome all to analyze, criticize..or not, the takes of Viper. btw, I'm recruiting a couple like-minded to yours truly to join Scoop. To quote the great Dennis Rodman..."it's gonna get wild, bro."
Quote from: Viper on February 22, 2024, 07:24:07 AM
nice cherry pick. 5-pts...
1) at least I'll go out on a line. Did you think TK was anything other than serviceable after his first year? I'll answer for you...agreed Viper. TK was just a guy.
2) hindsight is 20/20, yes? Again, a cherry pick from two years ago when probably 90% of the Scoopers were analyzing as I was...odd shot release. Sidewinder rotation on the shot. Struggles going right. Drive & kick-outs seem his forte.
3) now the libs on this mailbag of oddballs come out of the woodwork...oh look, TK is great. That outspoken Viper... is wrong again. As I've said before, the reactionary among you...bold...not.
4) I do, however, appreciate that I'm developing a fan club. Any Mke-area locals that would like to meet yours truly...let's grab a beer or dinner. Rocket Surgeon...let's gooooo!
5) repeat 1-4
Quote from: Viper on February 22, 2024, 07:42:00 AM
really...we'll get to find out? You guarantee that, Cpt Obvious 😂? Another post of stating nothing compelling from the master of the average. A simplistic diatribe of the mundane. But hey, Sultan and Uncle Rico SJ are in your club. Lawdog77? I'll let you know. Probably a guy that was no D in pick-up games at Old Gym, but loved to hoist prayer shots from deep, then bragged over beer at The Gym that he couldn't miss...or something like that. But, what do I know? I'm lost. Do make some laugh with the outrageous and extreme, don't know ball, Badger obsessed, unvaxed, want America and Marquette basketball great again, and a supporter of the dentist's. Yeah!
Dork.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 22, 2024, 07:45:28 AM
I guess the difference is some of us who were down on TK two years ago, have since realized how much he has evolved as a player. He doesn't have problems going to his right. He certainly doesn't have a problem with his shot. Yet you are somehow sticking to these observations from two years ago to form your opinions today.
And I have no idea that this is a position of the "libs." Very strange that you decided to insert politics into this.
you're correct...probably should not have tossed in a political shot. But, the 'gotcha' or 'you said this so you are wrong' is just so lefty that I could not help myself.
I do say, gladly so, that I love TK's game at this point. And as I've said...very happy he's on our team. I'd go insane if he was a Badger!! But, I do stand by my opinion that I'm not seeing NBA. And as I've also stated...I'll happily accept being wrong about that.
I'm off this topic. Enjoy.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 22, 2024, 08:06:36 AM
Dork.
classy. Personal shots only reflect on you. And, I might add, something you'd never say to me if we were at a bar over a 🍺. But, I guess Rocky is ok with your level of maturity, so you do you.
You need to look at this through the players eyes and not being a fan. I look at someone like Sam Dekker of the badgers for comparison. He had a monster tournament run in 2015 when they lost in the championship game. His stock because of that 5 game run shot him into the lottery that year at 15 I believe. While Kolek is probably different being a small point guard his stock could def improve into a 1st round pick if he makes a deep run this March.
Something else so consider is that if he chooses to go in NBA draft will his salary outweigh what his NIL deal would net him. Also I don't believe his stock will ever be higher if he wants to go the NBA route. IMO he is just as good as last year and will not improve great enough from now on to ever make him a lottery pick. He needs to decide whats important the guaranteed money or trying to get minutes as a role player in the League.
If I had to guess, Tyler truly doesn't know at this point.
Quote from: Viper on February 22, 2024, 08:43:40 AM
I guess Rocky is ok with your level of maturity
I'd call you a dork, or worse at a bar if you said things from those posts out loud.
Sam Dekker was a projected first round pick long before the tournament. He is a 6'8" shooter. I think teams were well aware of his limitations, but he was clearly worth the risk in some people's eyes.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 22, 2024, 08:59:26 AM
I'd call you a dork, or worse at a bar if you said things from those posts out loud.
Poopy head is not worse, relax Rocky, its early in the day.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 22, 2024, 08:59:26 AM
I'd call you a dork, or worse at a bar if you said things from those posts out loud.
and I'd welcome that. But would you?...dork 😂😂
Viper, my man, you sound unhinged. Even somehow making a TK discussion about "the libs." I mean, who knew Goose was a lib?
I'll mark it down as you being frustrated that you can't come up with legit arguments for the point you're trying to make ... but you simply can't climb down off your hill because that would be admitting "defeat." That happens here sometimes.
Capt. Obvious? Sure. Now if only you'd accept the obvious - that the Kolek who is attracting interest from NBA teams now is not the 2021-22 Kolek who was flinging scuds at the basket and who suffered from serious lack of confidence. Your refusal to accept that makes you, what? Deputy Denial?
And I'll be happy to have a beer with you one day. We can sit down at a sports bar, watching Kolek play for his NBA team, and talk about how lucky we were to get to witness Tyler and Oso playing for Marquette. Hopefully, we'll even get to reminisce about MU's trip to the 2024 Final Four.
Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2024, 09:08:09 AM
Viper, my man, you sound unhinged. Even somehow making a TK discussion about "the libs." I mean, who knew Goose was a lib?
I'll mark it down as you being frustrated that you can't come up with legit arguments for the point you're trying to make ... but you simply can't climb down off your hill because that would be admitting "defeat." That happens here sometimes.
Capt. Obvious? Sure. Now if only you'd accept the obvious - that the Kolek who is attracting interest from NBA teams now is not the 2021-22 Kolek who was flinging scuds at the basket and who suffered from serious lack of confidence. Your refusal to accept that makes you, what? Deputy Denial?
And I'll be happy to have a beer with you one day. We can sit down at a sports bar, watching Kolek play for his NBA team, and talk about how lucky we were to get to witness Tyler and Oso playing for Marquette. Hopefully, we'll even get to reminisce about MU's trip to the 2024 Final Four.
sorry you are misinterpreting my posts. My wife was like...what are you laughing at...and why aren't you in the office doing your job?? (I work remote and she's off today)
Beer...anytime. 👍
Based on some of the answers Tyler gives in his interviews it kinda sounds like he wants to come back. Even last season he said he wants to play at Marquette as long as he's allowed to. I think he's gonna get advice(from this MU staff) to leave though. He's being mocked as high as 23rd in the draft.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 22, 2024, 09:39:54 AM
Based on some of the answers Tyler gives in his interviews it kinda sounds like he wants to come back. Even last season he said he wants to play at Marquette as long as he's allowed to. I think he's gonna get advice(from this MU staff) to leave though. He's being mocked as high as 23rd in the draft.
100% agree. When Tyler goes through the draft process and he is told he is a first round talent, he has to take that cash. If he will be a late second round and no guaranteed money, well there is a decision to be made. I think there is a place for him as well as Oso. Kevon Looney is 6 9 and 220 and has made 22 million in the league not being able to hit a jump shot.
I think with Sean's injury there's more of a likelihood he returns than before but it's still very slim. I think now if he's on the fence the staff says "well you know we could use you" before I think it's a "look we love you, you'll always be welcome but it's time to take the next step"
They can always sell him on taking some remedial reading courses in grad school
Quote from: MUbiz on February 22, 2024, 09:54:04 AM
100% agree. When Tyler goes through the draft process and he is told he is a first round talent, he has to take that cash. If he will be a late second round and no guaranteed money, well there is a decision to be made. I think there is a place for him as well as Oso. Kevon Looney is 6 9 and 220 and has made 22 million in the league not being able to hit a jump shot.
He seems like a kid who really understands what this whole basketball journey is all about. Like he knows College is a one time thing that doesn't last forever, and that this Marquette environment will crush any NBA environment out of the water...but when your opportunity to get drafted in the 1st round is now...some would say you gotta do it.
I'd be thrilled...THRILLED if he came back, but I'd give it about a 2% chance.
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And I have no idea that this is a position of the "libs." Very strange that you decided to insert politics into this.
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Not really, if you've read his past ravings
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 22, 2024, 10:17:20 AM
He seems like a kid who really understands what this whole basketball journey is all about. Like he knows College is a one time thing that doesn't last forever, and that this Marquette environment will crush any NBA environment out of the water...but when your opportunity to get drafted in the 1st round is now...some would say you gotta do it.
I'd be thrilled...THRILLED if he came back, but I'd give it about a 2% chance.
Will it? I haven't heard many NBA players say "I miss the college environment."
https://x.com/draftexpress/status/1760689427251433822?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 22, 2024, 10:06:25 AM
I think with Sean's injury there's more of a likelihood he returns than before but it's still very slim. I think now if he's on the fence the staff says "well you know we could use you" before I think it's a "look we love you, you'll always be welcome but it's time to take the next step"
They can always sell him on taking some remedial reading courses in grad school
Kolek seems like the type that likes the challenges. So, absent a deep run in the dance, I believe he will take that extra year with the Warriors. He will also want to play another year in the B East to get back at some of those teams. NBA cash not withstanding.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 22, 2024, 10:29:29 AM
Kolek seems like the type that likes the challenges. So, absent a deep run in the dance, I believe he will take that extra year with the Warriors. He will also want to play another year in the B East to get back at some of those teams. NBA cash not withstanding.
If he like challenges, why would he come back to play in the Big East with the Golden Eagles? He's also beaten every team in the Big East. What's he getting back at?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2024, 10:32:03 AM
If he like challenges, why would he come back to play in the Big East with the Golden Eagles? He's also beaten every team in the Big East. What's he getting back at?
Still hasn't won at Providence!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 22, 2024, 10:19:06 AM
Will it? I haven't heard many NBA players say "I miss the college environment."
A lot of NBA players also didn't play in front of 18,000 in college. The student sections make all the difference.
Each college game means so much more than an NBA game, especially when you are the one running the show.
The money is the Big factor. Gotta get it when you can.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 22, 2024, 10:41:12 AM
A lot of NBA players also didn't play in front of 18,000 in college. The student sections make all the difference.
Each college game means so much more than an NBA game, especially when you are the one running the show.
The money is the Big factor. Gotta get it when you can.
lol
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 22, 2024, 10:19:06 AM
Will it? I haven't heard many NBA players say "I miss the college environment."
How many of them have you talked to about it?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2024, 10:32:03 AM
If he like challenges, why would he come back to play in the Big East with the Golden Eagles? He's also beaten every team in the Big East. What's he getting back at?
duh...beating Gard 😁
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 22, 2024, 10:41:12 AM
A lot of NBA players also didn't play in front of 18,000 in college. The student sections make all the difference.
Each college game means so much more than an NBA game, especially when you are the one running the show.
Seriously?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 22, 2024, 10:45:26 AM
How many of them have you talked to about it?
None.
But in interviews I have rarely, if ever, heard an early entrant basketball player say "I really miss the college atmosphere."
Because the NBA atmosphere is pretty darn incredible.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 22, 2024, 10:58:57 AM
Seriously?
None.
But in interviews I have rarely, if ever, heard an early entrant basketball player say "I really miss the college atmosphere."
Because the NBA atmosphere is pretty darn incredible.
I don't believe I've ever heard the "Do you miss the college atmosphere?" question asked in an interview with an NBA rookie. Why would you expect the player to bring up the subject? Just a guess on my part, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a lot of rookies sitting on the end of benches in the NBA miss being the star and the atmosphere that goes with it at least a little bit.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 22, 2024, 09:39:54 AM
Based on some of the answers Tyler gives in his interviews it kinda sounds like he wants to come back. Even last season he said he wants to play at Marquette as long as he's allowed to. I think he's gonna get advice(from this MU staff) to leave though. He's being mocked as high as 23rd in the draft.
I agree it seems like he's having a lot of fun this year and that's probably how he's feeling now. Though I take them all at face value when they say they are just living in the present moment.
When they get the time after the season to discuss the future, I think it'll be clear that the NBA is Kolek's best option. Though the story for this season is also still being written and how it concludes may also have some impact on the future.
I've decided to take the same approach and just enjoy the present moment with this team. Kolek coming back next year would be awesome. Kolek getting drafted in the first round is also awesome for the program. Win-win either way.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2024, 10:27:48 AM
https://x.com/draftexpress/status/1760689427251433822?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Enjoy the next month and a half.
The Athletic has Kolek going No. 23 to the Knicks in its latest mock draft. Oso at 31 - first one in the second round.
23. New York Knicks
Tyler Kolek | 6-3 guard | 23 years old | Marquette
It's hard to be more on-fire than Kolek has been over the last month. Since Jan. 15, Marquette is 7-1 as Kolek has averaged 19.1 points, 8.7 assists and shot 48.8 percent from the field and 45.7 percent from 3. He has the Golden Eagles in a strong position to succeed moving forward. He's a crafty guard who I'm not totally convinced can dunk, but he knows exactly how to play off two feet and is an elite distributor out of ball screens. The big leap this season has come as a shooter, as he's drilling 40.4 percent from 3, but more than that, he looks much more confident pulling up when the opportunity arises. Kolek will need to prove he can hold up on defense in regard to footspeed in the NBA, and he'll need to prove he can separate well enough. But New York has an affinity for Big East players, and the Knicks also have a real need at backup point guard even with the emergence of Miles McBride recently. They could use more playmaking and distribution skill from the backcourt with one of these picks.
Second Round
31. Toronto Raptors (via DET): Oso Ighodaro | 6-11 big | Marquette
32. Utah Jazz (via WAS): D.J. Wagner | 6-4 guard | Kentucky
33. San Antonio Spurs: Tristan da Silva | 6-9 forward | Colorado
34. Portland Trail Blazers (via CHA): P.J. Hall | 6-10 big | Clemson
35. Milwaukee Bucks (via POR): Kevin McCullar | 6-7 wing | Kansas
One thing that might be notable, though I've not seen it mentioned recently, is that with Oso next year, Kolek's chance to shine may be significantly different. Those two play off each other so well that I'm not sure one without the other, especially for a full season, will be as successful as each is with the other as a teammate and partner.
Sort of that idea that Kolek's stock for the NBA may never be any higher than this year, particularly if he leads MY deep into the tournament.
Quote from: Florida Warrior on February 22, 2024, 11:22:12 AM
The Athletic has Kolek going No. 23 to the Knicks in its latest mock draft. Oso at 31 - first one in the second round.
23. New York Knicks
Tyler Kolek | 6-3 guard | 23 years old | Marquette
It's hard to be more on-fire than Kolek has been over the last month. Since Jan. 15, Marquette is 7-1 as Kolek has averaged 19.1 points, 8.7 assists and shot 48.8 percent from the field and 45.7 percent from 3. He has the Golden Eagles in a strong position to succeed moving forward. He's a crafty guard who I'm not totally convinced can dunk, but he knows exactly how to play off two feet and is an elite distributor out of ball screens. The big leap this season has come as a shooter, as he's drilling 40.4 percent from 3, but more than that, he looks much more confident pulling up when the opportunity arises. Kolek will need to prove he can hold up on defense in regard to footspeed in the NBA, and he'll need to prove he can separate well enough. But New York has an affinity for Big East players, and the Knicks also have a real need at backup point guard even with the emergence of Miles McBride recently. They could use more playmaking and distribution skill from the backcourt with one of these picks.
Second Round
31. Toronto Raptors (via DET): Oso Ighodaro | 6-11 big | Marquette
32. Utah Jazz (via WAS): D.J. Wagner | 6-4 guard | Kentucky
33. San Antonio Spurs: Tristan da Silva | 6-9 forward | Colorado
34. Portland Trail Blazers (via CHA): P.J. Hall | 6-10 big | Clemson
35. Milwaukee Bucks (via POR): Kevin McCullar | 6-7 wing | Kansas
Enjoy the next month and a half.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 22, 2024, 10:58:57 AM
Seriously?
None.
But in interviews I have rarely, if ever, heard an early entrant basketball player say "I really miss the college atmosphere."
Because the NBA atmosphere is pretty darn incredible.
Yes. Seriously.
What part do you disagree with?
It sure seems to me that Kolek is leaning toward returning next season. The question is how much a player's lean in February really means. He's going to go through the draft process, and if he looks like a first rounder he's gone. I'd guess he's also caught up in the emotion of his senior year, and that will fade after the season ends.
I'd guess it's 70/30 he leaves, but I'm very surprised there seems to be a real chance he could return.
Quote from: Viper on February 22, 2024, 07:24:07 AM
nice cherry pick. 5-pts...
1) at least I'll go out on a line. Did you think TK was anything other than serviceable after his first year? I'll answer for you...agreed Viper. TK was just a guy.
2) hindsight is 20/20, yes? Again, a cherry pick from two years ago when probably 90% of the Scoopers were analyzing as I was...odd shot release. Sidewinder rotation on the shot. Struggles going right. Drive & kick-outs seem his forte.
3) now the libs on this mailbag of oddballs come out of the woodwork...oh look, TK is great. That outspoken Viper... is wrong again. As I've said before, the reactionary among you...bold...not.
4) I do, however, appreciate that I'm developing a fan club. Any Mke-area locals that would like to meet yours truly...let's grab a beer or dinner. Rocket Surgeon...let's gooooo!
5) repeat 1-4
Truly hope you get some help, man.
This kinda stuff is not (should not be?) normal for a college hoops message board when you could simply say "wow, I sure got that one wrong".
Dare I say you're acting like a big-time
snowflake in this running stream of conscience.....typical!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 22, 2024, 10:19:06 AM
Will it? I haven't heard many NBA players say "I miss the college environment."
I don't disagree. If he's getting good feedback that he's definitely getting drafted -- particularly if he's R1 -- he should go.
That said, the college environment has changed pretty significantly the last couple years. I've got to think that it's a lot of fun being in college, being a celebrity on campus (and beyond), having the very best facilities, playing in front of SRO crowds in Fiserv, and having a significant six-figure income. No question that NBA money and a seat on an NBA bench would be even more fun, but that's not guaranteed. Another
guaranteed year of all of the above at Marquette might be preferable to
maybe being in the NBA or
maybe playing in Sioux Falls before 2,000 fans a night for $50k.
Quote from: Viper on February 22, 2024, 08:43:40 AM
classy. Personal shots only reflect on you. And, I might add, something you'd never say to me if we were at a bar over a 🍺. But, I guess Rocky is ok with your level of maturity, so you do you.
Dork.
You talking about maturity after the two posts I quoted is priceless stuff. Thanks for the laugh!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 22, 2024, 12:43:43 PM
Dork.
You talking about maturity after the two posts I quoted is priceless stuff. Thanks for the laugh!
👍
Could Kolek return? Sure. Do I want him to return? Sure, if he really wants to - every Marquette fan would love it. But let's be realistic, folks - it's not likely to happen.
As for the notion that it would be more of a "challenge" for TK to play a 5th year of college basketball when he already has proven himself to be among the best players in the country than it would be to make an NBA roster and then to compete against the best basketball players in the world ... that's just silliness.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 22, 2024, 11:10:14 AM
I don't believe I've ever heard the "Do you miss the college atmosphere?" question asked in an interview with an NBA rookie. Why would you expect the player to bring up the subject? Just a guess on my part, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a lot of rookies sitting on the end of benches in the NBA miss being the star and the atmosphere that goes with it at least a little bit.
Would love for someone to ask O-Max this question. He's a thoughtful young man. His situation is the exact type of one where the overall experience of living out your dream and making the NBA - but getting little PT and some GLeague send downs, versus playing a huge role with your close teammates at a Top 5 program with National Champioship possibilities, in an almost always sold out NBA arena? Would he answer the do you miss it question, yes? I think he probably would. But if you asked him do you regret your decision to leave MU, he'd likely answer no.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 22, 2024, 12:23:02 PM
Another guaranteed year of all of the above at Marquette might be preferable to maybe being in the NBA or maybe playing in Sioux Falls before 2,000 fans a night for $50k.
Most highly competitive, confident athletes who are talented enough to be pros simply don't think like this.
They don't go into decisions like this thinking, "What if I fail? What if I'm not good enough? Another year of college would be more fun."
They go in thinking, "I know I'm good enough, and I'm ready to prove it. And to any doubters out there, f#%k 'em."
I mean, based on what we know about Tyler Kolek, which do you think he'd say?
Elon
I'd agree that Omax probably misses not being part of the action at MU this year and I'm sure he has no regrets on the decision. It is all part of growing up and chasing your dreams.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 22, 2024, 01:27:09 PM
Would love for someone to ask O-Max this question. He's a thoughtful young man. His situation is the exact type of one where the overall experience of living out your dream and making the NBA - but getting little PT and some GLeague send downs, versus playing a huge role with your close teammates at a Top 5 program with National Champioship possibilities, in an almost always sold out NBA arena? Would he answer the do you miss it question, yes? I think he probably would. But if you asked him do you regret your decision to leave MU, he'd likely answer no.
OMax has the benefit of being a first round pick, so he's making nearly $3 million. That changes the answer a bit. If it's clear someone is going to go in the first round, I'd think it's a pretty simple decision. If someone is projected in the second round -- or maybe not even drafted -- I'd think it would be a far more difficult decision if you enjoy college and have decent NIL earning potential.
Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2024, 01:45:37 PM
Most highly competitive, confident athletes who are talented enough to be pros simply don't think like this.
They don't go into decisions like this thinking, "What if I fail? What if I'm not good enough? Another year of college would be more fun."
They go in thinking, "I know I'm good enough, and I'm ready to prove it. And to any doubters out there, f#%k 'em."
I mean, based on what we know about Tyler Kolek, which do you think he'd say?
I don't think there is a chance in hell that TyKo would stay at Marquette because he fears failing at the next level. But, that doesn't necessarily mean that I'm 100% convinced he'll decide to leave. We'll see. It's not necessarily an either/or situation - he can play another year at Marquette and still take a shot at playing at the next level. If a kid really loves playing in college (and, importantly, is making good money), I could see him deciding to play another year. I would see it less as a fear of failing as much as really loving what he's doing and being well paid.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 22, 2024, 01:47:06 PM
OMax has the benefit of being a first round pick, so he's making nearly $3 million. That changes the answer a bit. If it's clear someone is going to go in the first round, I'd think it's a pretty simple decision. If someone is projected in the second round -- or maybe not even drafted -- I'd think it would be a far more difficult decision if you enjoy college and have decent NIL earning potential.
He should go through the rest of the season, then attend the NBA pre draft combine. He will get input on his draft status and with a good showing, like Omax last year, could get a definitive answer on what is next. Hope he doesn't do poorly, but that's the way it goes. There are many mock drafts with everybody's opinion and Kolek's draft status is all over the place. It will continue like that until post combine and the total number of players entering the draft id determined. He'll make the right decision.
Quote from: nyg on February 22, 2024, 02:06:16 PM
He should go through the rest of the season, then attend the NBA pre draft combine. He will get input on his draft status and with a good showing, like Omax last year, could get a definitive answer on what is next. Hope he doesn't do poorly, but that's the way it goes. There are many mock drafts with everybody's opinion and Kolek's draft status is all over the place. It will continue like that until post combine and the total number of players entering the draft id determined. He'll make the right decision.
I agree with everything you said here. Personally, I think that if Kolek enters the draft he'll be a late first round/early second round kind of guy (i.e., 20-40). I don't expect he'll be back next season. I'd love to have him at MU for another year, but I doubt it.
Kolek is probably in the wind. I'd be really surprised if he returns, maybe if he can get T Millls assist record. Looking ahead to next year MU would be better served if Oso came back. Gold and Joplin to start on the baseline backed up by two unknown quantities in Hamilton and Amadu with two freshmen skinny bigs in deep reserve leaves MU beyond weak in the power positions.,
Oso has already said he's not coming back.
He's not coming back. Did you watch his press conference after DePaul? He was talking about how he only has 3 more home games left and he's making it a point to enjoy it and take it all in
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2024, 10:27:48 AM
https://x.com/draftexpress/status/1760689427251433822?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Who are you gonna believe? Professional scouts or Viper?
Quote from: swoopem on February 23, 2024, 10:59:27 AM
He's not coming back. Did you watch his press conference after DePaul? He was talking about how he only has 3 more home games left and he's making it a point to enjoy it and take it all in
Oso or Tyler said that?
Oso said at start of season he is done.
The Depaul presser - Tyler said he has 3 games left and talked about taking it in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm6PsI-c2e0
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 23, 2024, 11:56:01 AM
Who are you gonna believe? Professional scouts or Viper?
Viper's brother-in-law
Can't stress it enough. Enjoy the next month and a half.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 23, 2024, 01:34:30 PM
Can't stress it enough. Enjoy the next month and a half.
You keep saying this,
But it would be true even if TK was required to be here for 3 more years.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 23, 2024, 01:34:30 PM
Can't stress it enough. Enjoy the next month and a half.
The next game is the only important one.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 23, 2024, 03:30:19 PM
The next game is the only important one.
It's the most important one. It's never been the only important one.