1. Pitino came in with a great game plan. Attack on defense, attack the glass, make 3s.
2. I like Stevie's T. Weak call, but glad he went in with his chin up.
3. Soriano did not produce EGBs today.
4. Shaka at halftime: Tyler, attack. Everybody else, rebound.
5. Officiating was consistently permissive.
6. Joplin not great on the boards. Kam not great.
7. Stevie. Dang, not dung
8. Hamilton, Amadou, Owens, and Parham are the type of springy forwards currently bedeviling MU
9. SJU came in and punched MU right in the mouth. As they should. But...
10. MU is mentally tough. Y'all better start enjoying this.
Never a doubt
This team has some fckn dudes. Incredible second half.
Happy National Marquette Day!
What a team. What a program. What a school.
We Are.
tower
10 is spot on.
Braden Smith lol
TK is fu cking special
How many more losses would we have if Stevie wasn't on the team? Tyler was ridiculous but Stevie makes all the hustle plays when they need a spark.
Kolek was the headline but great contributions from a lot of guys including Gold who had really good minutes
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 10, 2024, 07:11:00 PM
How many more losses would we have if Stevie wasn't on the team? Tyler was ridiculous but Stevie makes all the hustle plays when they need a spark.
Stevie is a dude
A big 22pts from Stevie and Chase.
Tyler was the man tonight, but I can't believe how man times during a game I say "I love Stevie."
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 10, 2024, 07:07:51 PM
This team has some fckn dudes. Incredible second half.
This. Grit city.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 10, 2024, 07:16:21 PM
Tyler was the man tonight, but I can't believe how man times during a game I say "I love Stevie."
Same Egb of game easily. the layup where he crap talked the whole way down after. chefs kiss
Gotta believe that a big factor tonight has to be the fact that we have a home game to an absolute sell-out.
Second half you could feel the crowd getting in it.
As Coach Shaka says, EGB!!!
I forgot how much I disliked 4 guard sets. Thanks for the reminder.
Dung and dude are easily confused words...
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 10, 2024, 07:12:37 PM
Stevie is a dude
This was a Classic Big East game. Tyler showed his All American Form. Loved how the team played well down the stretch
Any win over a Rick Pitino coached tram is an Excellent win
"Barbecue Chicken". That's a great quote from Kolek.
And let's not forget they only got 29 points in the second half.
Good thread title. Almost as good as Tyler's second half performance.
Quote from: Judge Smails on February 10, 2024, 07:48:33 PM
Good thread title.
Yeah, but somehow 'kolekoscopy' is what gets noticed. Harumph.
Bwahahaha
I really appreciate having a staff that can make adjustments at the half and throughout the game.
AWESOME win today. These guys have really put it all back together after that brief rough stint.
Shaka gives opportunities for players to excel....to take over.....when its not there.....go win the game. Tyler Fucking Kolek.
Was at the game - one of the best crowds I've been a part of. Credit to the players, especially TKO, but the home court was a big part of this one.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 10, 2024, 09:52:36 PM
Was at the game - one of the best crowds I've been a part of. Credit to the players, especially TKO, but the home court was a big part of this one.
Agreed....so appreciative to be in that building tonight.
We've been scouted. We're doomed.
This group is special. We need to enjoy every moment with Kolek and Oso this year. It's just amazing how far we've come from a few years ago.
Loudest I've ever heard the Fiserv. What a game
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on February 10, 2024, 10:42:27 PM
This group is special. We need to enjoy every moment with Kolek and Oso this year. It's just amazing how far we've come from a few years ago.
I was thinking the same thing. I thought the top-10, national contender days were gone forever. But they are back and unlike the Crean & Buzz years, they are here to stay as long as Shaka stays.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 10, 2024, 10:34:33 PM
We've been scouted. We're doomed.
Lol.
I also think having this particular game, and flipping a 15 pt deficit, is a major positive for Tues and Saturday.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 10, 2024, 10:34:33 PM
We've been scouted. We're doomed.
We were. Then we started making threes. This offense is impossible to stop if we're hitting threes. Only hope is to outscore us.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 10, 2024, 10:44:29 PM
Loudest I've ever heard the Fiserv. What a game
It was defeaning at times! Loved it. I'm exhausted lol.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 10, 2024, 11:23:30 PM
We were. Then we started making threes. This offense is impossible to stop if we're hitting threes. Only hope is to outscore us.
That's not scouting. Or if it is that's the scout on every college team in America. It's a bunch of crap. It's a non story and a complete over analysis by people who want to look smart.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 11, 2024, 12:31:09 AM
That's not scouting. Or if it is that's the scout on every college team in America. It's a bunch of crap. It's a non story and a complete over analysis by people who want to look smart.
Of course it's scouting. And no, it's not the scout on every college team in America. It is a scout for a team that starts a non-shooter at the five, has taken literally 1 long 2 all season, has at least one guard on the floor at all times who at the time couldn't hit water from a boat (Stevie, Chase, Sean, Tre), and is elite at scoring at the rim. It's honestly not a hard scout. Try to take away twos by clogging up and being physical in the lane (a tad more nuanced than that but that's the general thesis).
And it worked for a five-game stretch. It's not a hard strategy to beat, just make your threes (or get the ref to call fouls but that's not happening in the BEast). But we couldn't shoot our way out of it.
Then we played Villanova whose coach engaged in malpractice and tried to run us off the three point line which resulted in a historic 2P performance. Then we played a competent coach in Ricky P and in the first half we still couldn't shoot and we were down 6 at the half.
Then Shaka had the cajones to draw up a play to get Joplin a three-pointer to start the second half when we had gone 0-12 in the first half. Joplin nailed it and since then we've been shooting 45.7% from three. And wouldn't you know it, since then, we have shot 53.1% or better from 2 in every game.
That's the thing about scouts. They have an expiration date. Players improve and regress, coaches adjust, teams come together and fall apart. We changed, so the scout changes. Right now, I don't know how I would defend this team effectively, it's that good.
Ok. Fair enough. It just seems too simplistic. Almost like getting lucky a team is going through a bad stretch and not a strategy.
Great win yesterday.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 11, 2024, 06:55:41 AM
Ok. Fair enough. It just seems too simplistic. Almost like getting lucky a team is going through a bad stretch and not a strategy.
Great win yesterday.
Sometimes it's difficult to tell one from the other. Thankfully we're hitting shots now.
Part of the reason we are shooting better isn't just luck. We have been better at getting the ball inside, then getting it out. Versus passing the ball around the outside. Its always easier to shoot when you penetrate the lane first. The defense breaks down...the shooter is already facing the basket when they get the pass... IMO that is what we are seeing here.
Its been mentioned that we have actually been playing better since the Sean Jones injury because the ball is more in Tyler's hands now. And that could actually be it. Tyler is a better scorer obviously, but he is also a way better passer.
Sometimes it is that simple. Same team, same offense, same 3s.
Coach Smart, in his Thursday media availability after bei g asked about what.has changed about the team's 3 pt shooting, called 3 pt shooting percentage the most volatile of statistics and one of the most important. Give it a listen.
Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2024, 07:18:07 AM
Sometimes it is that simple. Same team, same offense, same 3s.
Coach Smart, in his Thursday media availability after bei g asked about what.has changed about the team's 3 pt shooting, called 3 pt shooting percentage the most volatile of statistics and one of the most important. Give it a listen.
Most of the threes we took yesterday were rhythm spot J's. That makes a big difference. But Mitchell in particular has been much better with the corner triple since a rough beginning of the season. Chase is also starting to knock them down.
As for Kam is seems to me he's unnecessarily falling down a lot after taking his 3's. I'm a little curious about this although he drained them at Gtown. My also slight nitpick is that we bite too much on the shot fake on the defensive end. It's hurt us at times defensively and I think we need to be cognizant of it in general. What happens is it leads to an easy paint drive and kick as well as guys scrambling all over the place.
As a side note it's great when Tyler goes off but we're most dangerous if all of our guys are draining buckets, our defense leads to offense........which ultimate leads to destroying our opponents/darkness.
Yes.
Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2024, 07:18:07 AM
Sometimes it is that simple. Same team, same offense, same 3s.
Coach Smart, in his Thursday media availability after bei g asked about what.has changed about the team's 3 pt shooting, called 3 pt shooting percentage the most volatile of statistics and one of the most important. Give it a listen.
Yup and he talked about how what he looks at more is how often/consistently our passes to 3 point shooters are in the pocket so they can efficiently catch and shoot.
Which I think is aligned with what Sultan said. Typically its easier to hit someone on the money after drawing the D into the paint as the shooter is lined up perfectly facing the oop. Swinging the ball around the perimiter making the extra pass can be pretty but a lot of times the player or ball are not lined up perfectly that way.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 11, 2024, 07:36:45 AM
Most of the threes we took yesterday were rhythm spot J's. That makes a big difference. But Mitchell in particular has been much better with the corner triple since a rough beginning of the season. Chase is also starting to knock them down.
As for Kam is seems to me he's unnecessarily falling down a lot after taking his 3's. I'm a little curious about this although he drained them at Gtown. My also slight nitpick is that we bite too much on the shot fake on the defensive end. It's hurt us at times defensively and I think we need to be cognizant of it in general. What happens is it leads to an easy paint drive and kick as well as guys scrambling all over the place.
Chase has way too fluid a stroke imo for him to have been low-mid 20s from 3. Hopefully he keeps his 33% the rest of the way at worst or even builds on that. Cause hes got the form to hit 1/3 minimum.
His good free throw shooting has also been a solid indicator of his potential.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 11, 2024, 03:56:08 AM
Of course it's scouting. And no, it's not the scout on every college team in America. It is a scout for a team that starts a non-shooter at the five, has taken literally 1 long 2 all season, has at least one guard on the floor at all times who at the time couldn't hit water from a boat (Stevie, Chase, Sean, Tre), and is elite at scoring at the rim. It's honestly not a hard scout. Try to take away twos by clogging up and being physical in the lane (a tad more nuanced than that but that's the general thesis).
And it worked for a five-game stretch. It's not a hard strategy to beat, just make your threes (or get the ref to call fouls but that's not happening in the BEast). But we couldn't shoot our way out of it.
Then we played Villanova whose coach engaged in malpractice and tried to run us off the three point line which resulted in a historic 2P performance. Then we played a competent coach in Ricky P and in the first half we still couldn't shoot and we were down 6 at the half.
Then Shaka had the cajones to draw up a play to get Joplin a three-pointer to start the second half when we had gone 0-12 in the first half. Joplin nailed it and since then we've been shooting 45.7% from three. And wouldn't you know it, since then, we have shot 53.1% or better from 2 in every game.
That's the thing about scouts. They have an expiration date. Players improve and regress, coaches adjust, teams come together and fall apart. We changed, so the scout changes. Right now, I don't know how I would defend this team effectively, it's that good.
This. I don't know why Scoop can't realize that opposing coaches get paid a lot of money too. MU was down 15 points at home in the 1st half against the Pitino matchup zone and MU adjusted out of half. Tyler's trey to end the half may have been the biggest basket of the game.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 11, 2024, 08:32:32 AM
This. I don't know why Scoop can't realize that opposing coaches get paid a lot of money too. MU was down 15 points at home in the 1st half against the Pitino matchup zone and MU adjusted out of half. Tyler's trey to end the half may have been the biggest basket of the game.
Opposing coaches shouldn't be able to have a game plan for Marquette. That's on Shaka and his team to annihilate any plan with focus and attackerness
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 11, 2024, 07:41:56 AM
As a side note it's great when Tyler goes off but we're most dangerous if all of our guys are draining buckets, our defense leads to offense........which ultimate leads to destroying our opponents/darkness.
Yes, but it's great to have a hero that can take over a game at the exact time you need him to.
That's exactly what he did yesterday, and he will likely have to do it again before he's gone. Truly special.
He cemented himself amongst the greats in my eyes yesterday, all that's left is that April run.
Marquettes got a few of those guys too. See Kam Jones in the first NCAA game last season.
Hey, I just realized that nobody fouled a St John's shooter taking a three! I feel like this has been one of the few times that has not happened recently.
Doctor V
TK has taken things to the next level the past month and looks beyond dialed in. I would not bet against him or the team having a deep run in the tournament. He looks like a guy that fully understands how important a deep run would mean to his legacy.
MU has an unreal basketball history and being an all time great is not an easy feat. He has a chance to put himself in a very lofty place in MU history with a big tournament.
Quote from: Goose on February 11, 2024, 09:04:08 AM
Doctor V
TK has taken things to the next level the past month and looks beyond dialed in. I would not bet against him or the team having a deep run in the tournament. He looks like a guy that fully understands how important a deep run would mean to his legacy.
MU has an unreal basketball history and being an all time great is not an easy feat. He has a chance to put himself in a very lofty place in MU history with a big tournament.
Yes. No question he, and the entire team for that matter, understands the importance.
Just have to make the open shots, and grab the ball after the misses.
That'll happen in a lot of games, but there will be an elimination game where it might not. In that game it'll take an extraordinary performance from someone or somewhere to survive and advance.
I'm hopeful that this years team has that someone or somewhere on it.
Doctor
No doubt someone is going to have to step in multiple games in the tournament. I believe this group has prepared for the tournament since they lost last year. It seems to have been the common goal to win it all. A lot of teams have that goal, but few truly believe it. There is no doubt in my mind that this team believes it.
Quote from: Goose on February 11, 2024, 09:28:45 AM
Doctor
No doubt someone is going to have to step in multiple games in the tournament. I believe this group has prepared for the tournament since they lost last year. It seems to have been the common goal to win it all. A lot of teams have that goal, but few truly believe it. There is no doubt in my mind that this team believes it.
Agree with all you and Doc said and last night's rally was one of the best I have seen from MU for a long time. The yappy chihuahua must have been going bonkers on the game thread when we were down 15. But can they do that in the tourney? I think and hope so. With Oso and Kolek likely gone after this season, I think it may be our last chance for at least a couple of years, maybe more, to win a natty.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2024, 08:38:49 AM
Opposing coaches shouldn't be able to have a game plan for Marquette. That's on Shaka and his team to annihilate any plan with focus and attackerness
Essentially this is right although I'm not sure what attackerness is. The fact is when we attack and play with fire MU cannot be stopped. :)
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 10, 2024, 07:07:51 PM
This team has some fckn dudes. Incredible second half.
Dudes show up for the entire game, especially on NMD. Should have been a blow out. Still concerned about team but enjoyed the TK show in the second half.
Quote from: SonOfWarrior on February 11, 2024, 10:06:20 AM
Dudes show up for the entire game, especially on NMD. Should have been a blow out. Still concerned about team but enjoyed the TK show in the second half.
🙄🙄🙄
Quote from: SonOfWarrior on February 11, 2024, 10:06:20 AM
Dudes show up for the entire game, especially on NMD. Should have been a blow out. Still concerned about team but enjoyed the TK show in the second half.
Dudes respond to getting punched in the mouth and not wilting when times are tough.
I think people don't understand how hard it is just to run on the court and blow teams out. St. John's isn't a bunch of bums and the coach has won a few games in his time. It's ok to give credit to the other team.
If the takeaway is "we should have blown them out" and I'm concerned after last night's game, I couldn't disagree more. Last night was a sign of a great team
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2024, 10:18:35 AM
Dudes respond to getting punched in the mouth and not wilting when times are tough.
I think people don't understand how hard it is just to run on the court and blow teams out. St. John's isn't a bunch of bums and the coach has won a few games in his time. It's ok to give credit to the other team.
If the takeaway is "we should have blown them out" and I'm concerned after last night's game, I couldn't disagree more. Last night was a sign of a great team
Love your reply. A nice alternative to what many here call your "usual schtick". All really good points.
Rico
Last night was another brick in the championship culture foundation. This group has been built for success over a three year period and that culture was on full display last night. There was no panic shown by the team in the first half and in my opinion they did blow them out. They outscored them by 26 points over the last 24 or so minutes.
If these guys can put together a full 40 minutes, they will be a tough out for any team in the country. There will not be many teams scouting MU and thinking that is a great matchup for them come March.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 11, 2024, 03:56:08 AM
Of course it's scouting. And no, it's not the scout on every college team in America. It is a scout for a team that starts a non-shooter at the five, has taken literally 1 long 2 all season, has at least one guard on the floor at all times who at the time couldn't hit water from a boat (Stevie, Chase, Sean, Tre), and is elite at scoring at the rim. It's honestly not a hard scout. Try to take away twos by clogging up and being physical in the lane (a tad more nuanced than that but that's the general thesis).
And it worked for a five-game stretch. It's not a hard strategy to beat, just make your threes (or get the ref to call fouls but that's not happening in the BEast). But we couldn't shoot our way out of it.
Then we played Villanova whose coach engaged in malpractice and tried to run us off the three point line which resulted in a historic 2P performance. Then we played a competent coach in Ricky P and in the first half we still couldn't shoot and we were down 6 at the half.
Then Shaka had the cajones to draw up a play to get Joplin a three-pointer to start the second half when we had gone 0-12 in the first half. Joplin nailed it and since then we've been shooting 45.7% from three. And wouldn't you know it, since then, we have shot 53.1% or better from 2 in every game.
That's the thing about scouts. They have an expiration date. Players improve and regress, coaches adjust, teams come together and fall apart. We changed, so the scout changes. Right now, I don't know how I would defend this team effectively, it's that good.
But just saying "we've been scouted" while we were going through our skid would be saying Kim English found something nobody else had. The reality is the scout has been "out" on us for over a year now. Go under screens on Tyler, he doesn't want to shoot the 3 but will so close when he loads up. Make him finish going right. Sag off Oso to close up passing lanes. Stay attached to Jop, Ben, and Kam on the perimeter. Sag off everyone else. Cut off back door cuts.
It's why Sean had opportunities to make big 3s against UCLA, Creighton, and Illinois. Teams were ignoring him on the perimeter.
So yeah. The scout wasn't suddenly out when we started to slide. It had been known. It's just had to play to it because Kolek and Oso are masterminds. We won a lot of games shooting poorly from 3, and outside of Villanova it's not like teams were just leaving driving and passing lanes wide open and selling out to prevent the 3 point shot on us.
Quote from: Goose on February 11, 2024, 10:27:19 AM
Rico
Last night was another brick in the championship culture foundation. This group has been built for success over a three year period and that culture was on full display last night. There was no panic shown by the team in the first half and in my opinion they did blow them out. They outscored them by 26 points over the last 24 or so minutes.
If these guys can put together a full 40 minutes, they will be a tough out for any team in the country. There will not be many teams scouting MU and thinking that is a great matchup for them come March.
In a neutral site, Marquette has not shown me the ability to fight back. Outside of TK, I think we have some marginal players. I hope I'm wrong. Without TK, Marquette doesn't win. JMHO
Quote from: SonOfWarrior on February 11, 2024, 11:16:04 AM
In a neutral site, Marquette has not shown me the ability to fight back. Outside of TK, I think we have some marginal players. I hope I'm wrong. Without TK, Marquette doesn't win. JMHO
Huh?
On a neutral site we fought back against UCLA. We fought back against Purdue, didnt win but came all the way back vs #1. Didnt need to come back vs Kansas just kicked their ass.
Came back against SJU at the Garden last year...more road than neutral.
Took every punch Uconn threw last year while batting foul trouble at the garden...neutral with a road enivornment.
Insane comment
Quote from: SonOfWarrior on February 11, 2024, 11:16:04 AM
In a neutral site, Marquette has not shown me the ability to fight back. Outside of TK, I think we have some marginal players. I hope I'm wrong. Without TK, Marquette doesn't win. JMHO
Yes. Without our All-American, defending BEPOY, we don't win. Real groundbreaking analysis here.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 11, 2024, 11:19:36 AM
Huh?
On a neutral site we fought back against UCLA. We fought back against Purdue, didnt win but came all the way back vs #1. Didnt need to come back vs Kansas just kicked their ass.
Came back against SJU at the Garden last year...more road than neutral.
Took every punch Uconn threw last year while batting foul trouble at the garden...neutral with a road enivornment.
Insane comment
Look at his post history. No surprise.
Ok sorry, guess I'll just fall into line. MU going to win it all. No concern here whatsoever, perimeter defense is rock solid.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 11, 2024, 11:23:24 AM
Yes. Without our All-American, defending BEPOY, we don't win. Real groundbreaking analysis here.
Yeah dude, this team is the same as last year. No one to step up. Live and die by the TK.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 11, 2024, 11:23:24 AM
Yes. Without our All-American, defending BEPOY, we don't win. Real groundbreaking analysis here.
Without Ja Morant, I think that MU team could have beaten Murray State.
Quote from: SonOfWarrior on February 11, 2024, 11:28:33 AM
Yeah dude, this team is the same as last year. No one to step up. Live and die by the TK.
I mean, last year was great! And you're wrong. Plenty stepped up last year.
Quote from: SonOfWarrior on February 11, 2024, 11:16:04 AM
In a neutral site, Marquette has not shown me the ability to fight back. Outside of TK, I think we have some marginal players. I hope I'm wrong. Without TK, Marquette doesn't win. JMHO
UCLA
Road game against Nova
Illinois
Just to name a few neutral and road comebacks.
Also a bold take that a team won't win without its AA best player. Next you're gonna tell me that without LeBron the Cavs don't win an NBA championship
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 11, 2024, 11:30:54 AM
I mean, last year was great! And you're wrong. Plenty stepped up last year.
NLW with a new monicker?
Sorry to create so much anger, just left the game frustrated that they have yet to improve on crashing the boards and second chance points.
Quote from: Goose on February 11, 2024, 10:27:19 AM
Rico
Last night was another brick in the championship culture foundation. This group has been built for success over a three year period and that culture was on full display last night. There was no panic shown by the team in the first half and in my opinion they did blow them out. They outscored them by 26 points over the last 24 or so minutes.
If these guys can put together a full 40 minutes, they will be a tough out for any team in the country. There will not be many teams scouting MU and thinking that is a great matchup for them come March.
I haven't seen as much college hops as you, but I've seen enough to know, that all great teams have bad halves of basketball. Have bad stretches of basketball. Have flaws.
Is rebounding a concern and flaw? Yeah, yeah it is. That's why I always hammer about matchups in March. Give me better matchups than geography this March.
The bottom line is what you and I have said, culture matters. For it to matter and result in wins, the buy-in has to be across the board from the staff down through the players. This program has it.
The gold standard of the Big East has been Villanova. Villanova has had dudes come through that program. NBA dudes. When it clicked, it was because of the talent embracing the culture. Jay Wright flat out admits he lost the culture in that '11-'13 stretch of recruiting and roster building. What Marquette wants, Nova had and this Marquette staff isn't reinventing the wheel but copying a wildly successful blueprint
Quote from: SonOfWarrior on February 11, 2024, 11:40:22 AM
Sorry to create so much anger, just left the game frustrated that they have yet to improve on crashing the boards and second chance points.
Marquette will be a top-5 AP team on Tuesday. 10th in KenPom. 21st in offense after falling close to 50, 16th in defense. This a profile of a team that can win a national title.
Rebounding is a concern and that ain't changing. But if you left last nights game concerned instead of excited, there's not much they can do to alleviate your concerns or enjoyment
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2024, 11:54:57 AM
The gold standard of the Big East has been Villanova. Villanova has had dudes come through that program. NBA dudes. When it clicked, it was because of the talent embracing the culture. Jay Wright flat out admits he lost the culture in that '11-'13 stretch of recruiting and roster building. What Marquette wants, Nova had and this Marquette staff isn't reinventing the wheel but copying a wildly successful blueprint
Focusing on the team's weaknesses-like rebounding- to me is armchair coaches bitching about what's missing rather than understanding the big picture, the culture. Damn straight Villanova is the model! Two nattys and the clear leader of the BE for quite a while. What's not to like about Jay's MO?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 11, 2024, 12:01:43 PM
Focusing on the team's weaknesses-like rebounding- to me is armchair coaches bitching about what's missing rather than understanding the big picture, the culture. Damn straight Villanova is the model! Two nattys and the clear leader of the BE for quite a while. What's not to like about Jay's MO?
Marquette 2024 offensive rebounding % is 27%. Defensive rebounding % is 29.5% (158th).
Villanova 2016 offensive rebounding % was 28.2%. Defensive rebounding % was 29.4% (147th)
Now, Nova was and elite offense and defense, so apples to oranges, but Marquette's rebounding on the defensive end isn't disqualifying
I'll point to Gold'd tap out last night that lead to TyKo's pass to Ross. It's there and can match the moment
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2024, 12:08:32 PM
Marquette 2024 offensive rebounding % is 27%. Defensive rebounding % is 29.5% (158th).
Villanova 2016 offensive rebounding % was 28.2%. Defensive rebounding % was 29.4% (147th)
Now, Nova was and elite offense and defense, so apples to oranges, but Marquette's rebounding on the defensive end isn't disqualifying
I'll point to Gold'd tap out last night that lead to TyKo's pass to Ross. It's there and can match the moment
Gotcha. I was just singling out the compulsion to pounce on any part of the game where we are not always stellar. Small thinkers do that.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 11, 2024, 12:11:02 PM
Gotcha. I was just singling out the compulsion to pounce on any part of the game where we are not always stellar. Small thinkers do that.
Correct. Certain people always complain about the team no matter how good or fun they are
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2024, 10:18:35 AM
Dudes respond to getting punched in the mouth and not wilting when times are tough.
I think people don't understand how hard it is just to run on the court and blow teams out. St. John's isn't a bunch of bums and the coach has won a few games in his time. It's ok to give credit to the other team.
If the takeaway is "we should have blown them out" and I'm concerned after last night's game, I couldn't disagree more. Last night was a sign of a great team
I think the same could be said of the St Thomas win. People were almost jumping off a ledge because MU didn't blow them out. I thought it was an early season sign of a good team.
This St Johns win is an even better later season sign. Good stuff yesterday from the boys.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 11, 2024, 12:31:53 PM
I think the same could be said of the St Thomas win. People were almost jumping off a ledge because MU didn't blow them out. I thought it was an early season sign of a good team.
This St Johns win is an even better later season sign. Good stuff yesterday from the boys.
We lost to St. Thomas, though
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2024, 12:36:32 PM
We lost to St. Thomas, though
You just
couldn't resist, could you?
Quote from: SonOfWarrior on February 11, 2024, 11:40:22 AM
Sorry to create so much anger, just left the game frustrated that they have yet to improve on crashing the boards and second chance points.
Marquette is the third best defensive rebounding team in Big East play, despite playing St. John's and Seton Hall (the top 2 offensive rebounding teams in the BEast and both are top 7 in the country) four times already.
Maybe they have improved and you're getting clouded by a single game result.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 11, 2024, 10:35:56 AM
But just saying "we've been scouted" while we were going through our skid would be saying Kim English found something nobody else had. The reality is the scout has been "out" on us for over a year now. Go under screens on Tyler, he doesn't want to shoot the 3 but will so close when he loads up. Make him finish going right. Sag off Oso to close up passing lanes. Stay attached to Jop, Ben, and Kam on the perimeter. Sag off everyone else. Cut off back door cuts.
It's why Sean had opportunities to make big 3s against UCLA, Creighton, and Illinois. Teams were ignoring him on the perimeter.
So yeah. The scout wasn't suddenly out when we started to slide. It had been known. It's just had to play to it because Kolek and Oso are masterminds. We won a lot of games shooting poorly from 3, and outside of Villanova it's not like teams were just leaving driving and passing lanes wide open and selling out to prevent the 3 point shot on us.
Kim English didn't discover anything, but the game against Providence was when started to see the same defense lining up against us every game. Prior to that point, most teams (not all) defended us differently. Stevie in the corner was a must guard, Chase and Sean were thought of as not great but more than capable outside shooters, teams were a lot more hesitant to go under screens for Kolek.
We were a much more versatile offense last season than we were at the start of this season. Teams prepared for that top 10 offense and instead realized that our offense was easier to guard than it was a year ago and with the right game plan could be reduced to more like a top 60 offense. By the time we got to Providence, we weren't in a slump, we had played more than a third of the season. It took some time but we finally got some positive regression to the mean along with some adjustments on our end and now the offense is humming again.
Stevie giving them 11 a night during this winning streak has been huge too. Playing the best ball of his career right now.
Absolutely electric atmosphere at Fiserv pretty much the entire second half. We were in 102, right next to one of the student sections, so that definitely added to our experience. Really loved the energy. So fun to be part of the largest home crowd ever.
And what a comeback! Our All-American did All-American things, and the rest of the team followed his lead. We outplayed and outhustled and outrebounded and outfought and pretty much out-everythinged St. John's from the moment TK made that 3 just before halftime.
I'd have loved being in the locker room at halftime to hear what Shaka was saying and, even more, what the guys were saying to each other.
Shaka did give a hint during his postgame press conference: "Our guys looked at each other and made an eyeball contract. They said, 'We're not going to go down by somebody bullying us,' and they stepped forward."
If I were a St. John's fan, I'd have been concerned that their team had dominated the first half but only had a 9-point lead.
That second half was some of the best basketball we've played this season - maybe the best. Stevie, Chase, Oso, Jop ... they were so good, so focused. And TK played like the best player in the country.
Kolek: "We come out and we bang two 3s (early in the second half). They have to come out of the zone, start going man." Yes, sometimes it really is that simple. Make some 3s, and the offense rocks.
When Ross dunked it on that pass from TK, the roof came off and it was game over.
It was stunning that Pitino let TK dribble out just about the entire 30 seconds before letting him step into the dagger 3. Had to foul there. That was just weird.
From our seats, we could see every foul call that TK didn't get in the second half. I'm hoping that in the NCAAT, when the refs aren't doing the no-blood-no-foul thing, Kolek will get significant time on the FT line.
The only negative thought I had was that Kam didn't seem 100% right. I hope he's not hurting too badly.
I think it was the most exciting MU game I witnessed in person since we beat Missouri in the 2003 NCAAT. (Because of not living close to Milwaukee, I don't get to as many Marquette games as I'd like to.)
Afterward, we went to Good City Brewery for a couple of nice crafts. We then went over to Goolsby's, which was fun because several "We Are Marquette!" cheers broke out.
Great capper to a great evening. We're already looking forward to Tuesday's game at Butler!
One of the loudest crowds I have been in. Hard for me to talk to my 12-year-old son in section 104. He is a huge bball fan but is usually laidback. Was out of his seat more times yesterday than the previous 5 games we watched this year. The crowd was electric and incredible.
The refs were a bit of a joke. It is games reffed like this that creates problems for Big East teams in NCAA tourny games. Don't get me wrong, the reffing was fair for both sides but not calling legit fouls, fouls, definitely helped St. Johns. We were bullied and it took us until halftime to figure out the refs were not calling anything. That we fought back in a game that was called the way it was called, is a huge testament to the DNA of this team and my hopes were raised that we will make a huge NCAA tourny run.
Our defending was not good in the first half.
Our defensive rebounding was atrocious in the first half
The decision making from Kolek and Oso and Company in the first half with half court attempted passes was not good.
I'm loving the way Jop is figuring out how to score inside the paint.
I'm loving the way Kolek responded in the second half.
I'm loving how Stevie has figured out his shot and is now a real threat on the offensive end.
I'm loving the way our offense is evolving and it is helping our 3-point shooting. This team is scary good when we are on from 3-point land. Dare i say almost unguardable.
I'm loving that we have more and more options of players who can carry this team during a stretch in a game. Kolek, Oso, Kam and Jop can take over a game for a period of time when you need it.
For those that want to nitpick about this or that or be concerned that we are doomed because of our rebounding, or size or whatever, just stop, take a breathe and enjoy it. No idea what the future offers but these are fun exciting times right now.
Quote from: SonOfWarrior on February 11, 2024, 11:26:42 AM
Ok sorry, guess I'll just fall into line. MU going to win it all. No concern here whatsoever, perimeter defense is rock solid.
There's no need to have to fall back in line.
People having and sharing differing opinions is one of the things that makes this message board great.
That said, I'll just say that it might be a good idea for you to redefine in your mind what constitutes a good player and a marginal player.
I say that because if this team is comprised of TyKo and "a collection of marginal players" there is no way it would be a top 5 team in the country.
Heck, there are 2 other All BE players on the team.
I'll go as far as saying that there isn't a single "marginal" player in the regular rotation. They are all good players with some elite strengths. Many can improve and become more well rounded, but they are all better than marginal because they play on a top 5 team in the country.
The rebounding concerns are legitimate and as Rico has said matchups will definitely matter so I'll agree with you there. There has been improvement from last season but you couldn't tell in the 1H yesterday, was much better after the break.
As for the "TK show" as I've already mentioned there will be games, more than likely of the elimination variety, where it's going to take an otherworldly performance from one of our guys.
TyKo brought that last night, but Kam brought it in Columbus last year.
Oso has done it, Jop has and can.
It's a good thing to have players that are capable of just taking over on their own when things aren't going quite as planned.
As others have mentioned, don't forget to enjoy the brilliance that is this season. Hopefully it just ends better than the last but nothing is guaranteed.
What's guaranteed is that we get to root for one of the best teams in the country night after night, and we get to watch some beautiful basketball played by the team dearest to our hearts.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 11, 2024, 03:02:56 PM
There's no need to have to fall back in line.
People having and sharing differing opinions is one of the things that makes this message board great.
Agree, it's interesting to know an MU fan left Fiserv last night feeling frustrated. Wasn't an emotion I would have expected any of the 18,000 MU fans there to feel after that one.
It is a message board. Keep expressing opinions. Go against the zeitgeist. I always find it fun. And if you really believe it, make a case. You posted an opinion. Others reacted and expressed their own. It isn't personal. It can become personal. But usually it is just banter.
TKO rapidly approaching the 50-40-90 plateau, as well as projecting to leading the nation in assists. Let that settle in for a second.
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 12, 2024, 09:42:52 AM
TKO rapidly approaching the 50-40-90 plateau, as well as projecting to leading the nation in assists. Let that settle in for a second.
Not sure he gets to the line enough to get back over 90. The other 3 are all very attainable tho.
I'd actually say he's the heavy front runner to lead in assists now that he's caught up the the pack. Full time on the ball TK is too good
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 10, 2024, 07:31:43 PM
"Barbecue Chicken". That's a great quote from Kolek.
This quote should be on an NIL shirt.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2024, 09:47:19 AM
Not sure he gets to the line enough to get back over 90. The other 3 are all very attainable tho.
I'd actually say he's the heavy front runner to lead in assists now that he's caught up the the pack. Full time on the ball TK is too good
He's 60-69 right now from the line. Needs to go 21-21 to get to 90%. I was surprised to see him miss the front end of a one and one Saturday