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WILD Big East fiasco going on right now.

I havent watched it yet but it is up on YouTube (for now).

https://youtu.be/1SB5KP5s77k?si=sjg59nGjajCIAOC3

To my knowledge the plan was to have a documentary for each Big East school. The creator was unknown (until today).

Below is a MUST READ thread for the no longer anonymous creator.

https://twitter.com/BlueDemonDegen/status/1752007151558799786?t=LhIuajJVrQTglxkDgMmOGw&s=19

Threats of legal action, drama, and everything else in between.

So is the story is that John Fanta said something he later regretted in the video?

Why is this causing a fiasco?

there is so many things to read and links to click on. What is the synopsis here?

Goodman and Dauster look unbelievably bad IMO. Those DMs are just little dick energy.

So someone or something associated to DePaul actually created some intrigue in the Big East?

Well, there's a first for everything.

The doc was mental. They had a PC writer who compared Cooley to Hitler. Dude (allegedly) had an affair and moved to an objectively bigger brand didn't murder anyone.

Really disappointed in Dauster.

Already knew Goodman was a piece of sh!t.

Quote from: Goose on January 29, 2024, 11:32:38 AM
Why is this causing a fiasco?

I haven't watched the doc yet to really know.

If it is still up after work I will try.

There was supposed to be 1 documentary for each school. The apparent goal from the creator was to highlight each school and just how fantastic the Conference is.

They started with Providence and it got mixed reviews. Many loved it. Some disliked it. The subjects they covered were touchy including some of the Cooley rumors for leaving.

It appears that someone possibly said something they later regretted or possibly didn't/no longer want included. Some possibly think that an interviewee was tricked into the whole thing.

Pretty crazy that something a lot were looking forward to got this derailed after the 1st documentary.

Didn't know Goodman was Cooley's PR guy.

Squarer is now responding a couple of the mentions he's getting. Should be an entertaining next episode of Field of 68

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on January 29, 2024, 12:03:00 PM
Didn't know Goodman was Cooley's PR guy.

Goodman is the PR guy FOR A LOT of coaches.  If he's mentioning names for an open position, it's that coaches agent feeding him info to help get their guys raises.  When jobs open, see who he is pimping.  You'll know he's getting insider info from those coaches and their agents on all subjects.

Same with Rothstein.  There's a reason only certain coaches get the Rothsteinisms.  It's like the one strike against Shaka

Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on January 29, 2024, 11:35:34 AM
there is so many things to read and links to click on. What is the synopsis here?

Basically, DePaul fan wants to get attention for the league, so he starts "Big East Films" as an answer the old ESPN Requiem narrative. Plans to do 11 films, one on each program, starting with Providence & the Ed Cooley departure.

Interviews PC fans, a prominent Georgetown blogger, & John Fanta. Some of the interviews get into the salacious details about Cooley's departure, including the affair rumors. I recall hearing at the time that Cooley was having an affair and his wife said she was leaving Providence, with or without him, something to that effect. But it was always just a rumor that no one confirmed.

From what Degen (the DePaul fan) infers, Fanta was sent the full movie once it was done and he said it was great. But then before release, Jeff Goodman starts sending him private messages, saying the filmmaker would go to jail, was going to get sued, all this other stuff.

Connecting the dots, seems like Fanta showed it to Goodman & Dauster, they realized it wasn't good for Cooley's image, then tried to shut it down. Instead, rumors of the Goodman threats leak out (I first heard about the unsolicited DMs a week or two ago), then Degen puts it up on YouTube anyway. The Big East starts looking into legal options because "Big East Films" infringes on their copyright. So Degen thinks "screw it, I'll get as much attention as I can while I can," posts the Goodman messages, and now it's not just a local Providence documentary, it's a national story of a journalist threatening a fan.

At least, that's the gist as I understand it.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 29, 2024, 12:11:53 PM
Basically, DePaul fan wants to get attention for the league, so he starts "Big East Films" as an answer the old ESPN Requiem narrative. Plans to do 11 films, one on each program, starting with Providence & the Ed Cooley departure.

Interviews PC fans, a prominent Georgetown blogger, & John Fanta. Some of the interviews get into the salacious details about Cooley's departure, including the affair rumors. I recall hearing at the time that Cooley was having an affair and his wife said she was leaving Providence, with or without him, something to that effect. But it was always just a rumor that no one confirmed.

From what Degen (the DePaul fan) infers, Fanta was sent the full movie once it was done and he said it was great. But then before release, Jeff Goodman starts sending him private messages, saying the filmmaker would go to jail, was going to get sued, all this other stuff.

Connecting the dots, seems like Fanta showed it to Goodman & Dauster, they realized it wasn't good for Cooley's image, then tried to shut it down. Instead, rumors of the Goodman threats leak out (I first heard about the unsolicited DMs a week or two ago), then Degen puts it up on YouTube anyway. The Big East starts looking into legal options because "Big East Films" infringes on their copyright. So Degen thinks "screw it, I'll get as much attention as I can while I can," posts the Goodman messages, and now it's not just a local Providence documentary, it's a national story of a journalist threatening a fan.

At least, that's the gist as I understand it.

Ha! So no one in the actual film has any issue with it at all? Just Goodman and Dauster threatening a situation that really doesn't even involve them? Wild!

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 29, 2024, 12:11:53 PM
Basically, DePaul fan wants to get attention for the league, so he starts "Big East Films" as an answer the old ESPN Requiem narrative. Plans to do 11 films, one on each program, starting with Providence & the Ed Cooley departure.

Interviews PC fans, a prominent Georgetown blogger, & John Fanta. Some of the interviews get into the salacious details about Cooley's departure, including the affair rumors. I recall hearing at the time that Cooley was having an affair and his wife said she was leaving Providence, with or without him, something to that effect. But it was always just a rumor that no one confirmed.

From what Degen (the DePaul fan) infers, Fanta was sent the full movie once it was done and he said it was great. But then before release, Jeff Goodman starts sending him private messages, saying the filmmaker would go to jail, was going to get sued, all this other stuff.

Connecting the dots, seems like Fanta showed it to Goodman & Dauster, they realized it wasn't good for Cooley's image, then tried to shut it down. Instead, rumors of the Goodman threats leak out (I first heard about the unsolicited DMs a week or two ago), then Degen puts it up on YouTube anyway. The Big East starts looking into legal options because "Big East Films" infringes on their copyright. So Degen thinks "screw it, I'll get as much attention as I can while I can," posts the Goodman messages, and now it's not just a local Providence documentary, it's a national story of a journalist threatening a fan.

At least, that's the gist as I understand it.

These are very good cliff notes on the situation. Thanks!

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2024, 12:08:14 PM
Goodman is the PR guy FOR A LOT of coaches.  If he's mentioning names for an open position, it's that coaches agent feeding him info to help get their guys raises.  When jobs open, see who he is pimping.  You'll know he's getting insider info from those coaches and their agents on all subjects.

Same with Rothstein.  There's a reason only certain coaches get the Rothsteinisms.  It's like the one strike against Shaka

Makes a ton of sense, especially given Rothstein's thristy tweets and merchandise he makes a profit off of.

Just seems very odd to get personally offended by the doc so much as to send those DMs. "How do you look in orange?" made me laugh though

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 29, 2024, 12:11:53 PM
At least, that's the gist as I understand it.

Thanks.

Kudos to Hurley for backing it up

https://www.youtube.com/v/_Fy5RiBhhyI

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 29, 2024, 12:11:53 PM
At least, that's the gist as I understand it.

Wow, what a messed-up, crazy situation!
To think someone would publicly admit to being a DePaul fan.

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on January 29, 2024, 12:26:39 PM
Makes a ton of sense, especially given Rothstein's thristy tweets and merchandise he makes a profit off of.

Just seems very odd to get personally offended by the doc so much as to send those DMs. "How do you look in orange?" made me laugh though

The Syracuse jokes are all over the place on Twitter after that line.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 29, 2024, 12:17:00 PM
Ha! So no one in the actual film has any issue with it at all? Just Goodman and Dauster threatening a situation that really doesn't even involve them? Wild!

Well...I think Fanta realizes being in it might have been a mistake so he's using Goodman and Dauster, who he works with at Field of 68, to be the bullies for him.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 29, 2024, 12:30:28 PM
Well...I think Fanta realizes being in it might have been a mistake so he's using Goodman and Dauster, who he works with at Field of 68, to be the bullies for him.

It is quite surprising with the position Fanta is in as an announcer on TV, that he would watch the final product and ok it.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 29, 2024, 12:11:53 PM
Basically, DePaul fan wants to get attention for the league, so he starts "Big East Films" as an answer the old ESPN Requiem narrative. Plans to do 11 films, one on each program, starting with Providence & the Ed Cooley departure.

Interviews PC fans, a prominent Georgetown blogger, & John Fanta. Some of the interviews get into the salacious details about Cooley's departure, including the affair rumors. I recall hearing at the time that Cooley was having an affair and his wife said she was leaving Providence, with or without him, something to that effect. But it was always just a rumor that no one confirmed.

From what Degen (the DePaul fan) infers, Fanta was sent the full movie once it was done and he said it was great. But then before release, Jeff Goodman starts sending him private messages, saying the filmmaker would go to jail, was going to get sued, all this other stuff.

Connecting the dots, seems like Fanta showed it to Goodman & Dauster, they realized it wasn't good for Cooley's image, then tried to shut it down. Instead, rumors of the Goodman threats leak out (I first heard about the unsolicited DMs a week or two ago), then Degen puts it up on YouTube anyway. The Big East starts looking into legal options because "Big East Films" infringes on their copyright. So Degen thinks "screw it, I'll get as much attention as I can while I can," posts the Goodman messages, and now it's not just a local Providence documentary, it's a national story of a journalist threatening a fan.

At least, that's the gist as I understand it.

Excellent synopsis.  The concept behind BE Films is great and the creator is just trying to fill an obvious void that the conference and its media affiliates have chosen to ignore.  Personally I enjoyed most of "Divine Providence".  I think they could've just left out the unsubstantiated rumors of Cooley having an affair and it still would've been a great documentary from the Providence perspective.  Its sad that we won't get to see 10 more films like it.  If the conference had any foresight though, they or their media partners would produce long form documentaries like DP as I believe its something that the fan bases would really enjoy. 

Regardless if the rumors are true, you can't be making a documentary about this and expect the league to say "hey, I think we need more of that."

Was Fanta interviewed for it? It's weird he wouldn't have to clear something like that with the league office. Or is he no longer employed by the Big East and just Fox.

This was good to watch as an epilogue from the game two days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNqvw-u_sKI

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 29, 2024, 12:11:53 PM
Interviews PC fans, a prominent Georgetown blogger, & John Fanta.

Didn't see it. Who was "a prominent Georgetown blogger"?

Quote from: DFW HOYA on January 29, 2024, 01:10:06 PM
Didn't see it. Who was "a prominent Georgetown blogger"?

Bobby Bancroft is Casual Hoya.

Quote from: Warrior2008 on January 29, 2024, 12:44:53 PM
Excellent synopsis.  The concept behind BE Films is great and the creator is just trying to fill an obvious void that the conference and its media affiliates have chosen to ignore.  Personally I enjoyed most of "Divine Providence".  I think they could've just left out the unsubstantiated rumors of Cooley having an affair and it still would've been a great documentary from the Providence perspective.  Its sad that we won't get to see 10 more films like it.  If the conference had any foresight though, they or their media partners would produce long form documentaries like DP as I believe its something that the fan bases would really enjoy.

Brass balls for making the film but the guy was in over his head. Judicious editing would have gone a long way.

I have wished for some time that the BE would produce ads that emphasized that the conference is first and foremost about basketball, not football. NIL will have much to do about which conference top level HS talent ends up in, but making a big deal about bball's prominence in the BE emphasizes what players and fans already know...in the BE, bball is king. Showcasing BE style bball and drawing more fans to the BE TV games draws more eyeballs.

Instead of doing stuff like this or the X/Cincy rivalry docs he should've done a piece of each Big East program's golden era. That would've earned him enough goodwill from the conference that he could get away with stuff like this documentary

https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1752047590701470096?t=-AmgeN_paRvFMZcQBcqHyg&s=19

This has picked up unimaginable steam on Twitter.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 29, 2024, 01:33:09 PM
https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1752047590701470096?t=-AmgeN_paRvFMZcQBcqHyg&s=19

This has picked up unimaginable steam on Twitter.

"unimaginable?"

They'll manage it fine and it will be over by Thursday.

Up next in the series: Pitino's history of jizzing on restaurant tables, MU's history of towel-sh1tting, Seton Hall purse-stealing and more!!

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 29, 2024, 01:35:30 PM
"unimaginable?"

They'll manage it fine and it will be over by Thursday.

People are asking him to allow the DePaul kid to produce the last 10 episodes under his company name. Now that would be something.

Didn't watch it.  Did this make the edit?

https://www.youtube.com/v/MqVGMLBOqnY

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 29, 2024, 01:22:50 PM
Instead of doing stuff like this or the X/Cincy rivalry docs he should've done a piece of each Big East program's golden era. That would've earned him enough goodwill from the conference that he could get away with stuff like this documentary

What does the X/Cincy rivalry have to do with the Big East Conference anyway? Neither school was in the Big East at the same time. It's an interesting rivalry, but the conference has very little to do with it.

Dumb on Fanta's part to get involved with this project. Seems he realized it a little too late.

Quote from: RJax55 on January 29, 2024, 01:47:56 PM
What does the X/Cincy rivalry have to do with the Big East Conference anyway? Neither school was in the Big East at the same time. It's an interesting rivalry, but the conference has very little to do with it.

Dumb on Fanta's part to get involved with this project. Seems he realized it a little too late.

Cincy was in the big east at the time... but yes I agree it seems the topics the guy wanted to do docs on were more scandalous and to drive clicks rather than truly counter the narrative the 30 for 30: requiem for the big east pushed. Focus on us in the 70s or the buzz/crean years. Focus on Nova in the 80s and the weight years. Focus on getting UConn back. The years of second weekend success X had right before joining the conference. Etc

Us We Together Family Friars?  What?

Quote from: RJax55 on January 29, 2024, 01:47:56 PM
What does the X/Cincy rivalry have to do with the Big East Conference anyway? Neither school was in the Big East at the same time. It's an interesting rivalry, but the conference has very little to do with it.

Dumb on Fanta's part to get involved with this project. Seems he realized it a little too late.

What else are you going to do for Xavier?  I think the Cincy/X rivalry is as interesting as any other potential topics for them.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 29, 2024, 01:12:13 PM
Bobby Bancroft is Casual Hoya.

He's not. Bobby is a freelancer who writes for that site.

Lol this Matthew Lebeau guy seems awesome.  "I compared him to Hitler on Twitter multiple times.  And I don't think that's inappropriate."  "Well, he seems like the kind of guy who would cheat on his wife, and then run from it.  I don't know that for sure.  But I heard it!  Everyone here knows someone who knows Ed cheated.  And the message board!  Not word of mouth, it's been proven that he slept with a student on there!"  "He's a scumbag who didn't mean anything he said or anything he did in this community."

The idea that he couldn't have meant any of what he said or was doing good things in the community for ulterior motives because he took a better job is hilarious.

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 29, 2024, 01:36:23 PM
Up next in the series: Pitino's history of jizzing on restaurant tables, MU's history of towel-sh1tting, Seton Hall purse-stealing and more!!

But who flushed for Buzz?

Quote from: wadesworld on January 29, 2024, 02:42:42 PM
Lol this Matthew Lebeau guy seems awesome.  "I compared him to Hitler on Twitter multiple times.  And I don't think that's inappropriate."  "Well, he seems like the kind of guy who would cheat on his wife, and then run from it.  I don't know that for sure.  But I heard it!  Everyone here knows someone who knows Ed cheated.  And the message board!  Not word of mouth, it's been proven that he slept with a student on there!"  "He's a scumbag who didn't mean anything he said or anything he did in this community."

The idea that he couldn't have meant any of what he said or was doing good things in the community for ulterior motives because he took a better job is hilarious.

Oh, I could see more than a few scoopers playing this role in a similar situation

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2024, 02:49:42 PM
Oh, I could see more than a few scoopers playing this role in a similar situation

Absolutely.

I will say this.  The best part of the "documentary" was when they threw in Kim English's Tweet about how he would've crawled backwards to play at Georgetown.  And how they call Ed a scumbag, but then talk about how great of a guy Kim English is.  After Kim, you know, left his prior job for a better job.  Same thing Ed did.

Shocked that the BE is distancing themselves from this.

I thought it was good but they didn't even need to bring up the affair IMO.  He looked bad enough with all the double speak.  Bringing Hitler up is stupid too.  Was that guy just a fan?

Fanta was good.  He didn't seem to stir the pot. 

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 29, 2024, 04:07:31 PM
I thought it was good but they didn't even need to bring up the affair IMO.  He looked bad enough with all the double speak.  Bringing Hitler up is stupid too.  Was that guy just a fan?

Fanta was good.  He didn't seem to stir the pot.

Slow day at work for me so got the chance to watch it. Came away with pretty much the same feeling. It was too long and the flow of it wasn't all that great, so I'd recommend only watching the last half hour at most as that is where the controversy was. I wasn't really that interested in what providence fans had to say about certain rumors and what not. The only reason that it's getting so much buzz is because Fanta's tied to it giving it more credibility than it probably deserves. Probably not worth your time to watch, but I do appreciate the effort it took to put that together.

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 29, 2024, 04:07:31 PM
I thought it was good but they didn't even need to bring up the affair IMO.  He looked bad enough with all the double speak.  Bringing Hitler up is stupid too.  Was that guy just a fan?

Fanta was good.  He didn't seem to stir the pot.

The rumors were so rampant that the piece would lose any credibility if it didn't at least touch on the affair.

Think Goodman & Ed hooked up?

Quote from: StillWarriors on January 29, 2024, 04:49:22 PM
The rumors were so rampant that the piece would lose any credibility if it didn't at least touch on the affair.

Even Trilly Donovan was talking about Ed cheating in his discord server and confirmed that was the reason Ed left PC.

Quote from: MUbiz on January 29, 2024, 04:56:09 PM
Even Trilly Donovan was talking about Ed cheating in his discord server and confirmed that was the reason Ed left PC.

I'm still waiting for an official university press release before I believe any of those rumors....

Quote from: panda on January 29, 2024, 04:57:44 PM
I'm still waiting for an official university press release before I believe any of those rumors....

I do not care what Ed was doing in his free time nor will I ever care. But having Trilly speak about that makes you wonder. Trilly is known to be pretty damn honest and good at what he does. That being said, we will never know the 100% truth.

I am totally onboard with anything that makes Jeff Goodman look like a complete clown.

Quote from: panda on January 29, 2024, 05:01:58 PM
I am totally onboard with anything that makes Jeff Goodman look like a complete clown.

I agree with this analysis.

Quote from: MUbiz on January 29, 2024, 05:00:52 PM
I do not care what Ed was doing in his free time nor will I ever care. But having Trilly speak about that makes you wonder. Trilly is known to be pretty damn honest and good at what he does. That being said, we will never know the 100% truth.

I'm mocking the people who are doubting the affair rumors like cooley's goomah is going to come out with an official statement detailing their sallacious affair.

There's more than enough smoke to believe it's at least part of the reason he left.

PC fans have called Ed's son an addict, chanted 'where's your mistress' in front of his family, accused him of skating on DUIs, called him basketball hitler, etc -- yet now there's a moral line that Goodman crossed?

Goodman is a clown but PC fans have been an embarrassment throughout this whole thing

Quote from: alleninxis on January 29, 2024, 05:10:18 PM
PC fans have called Ed's son an addict, chanted 'where's your mistress' in front of his family, accused him of skating on DUIs, called him basketball hitler, etc -- yet now there's a moral line that Goodman crossed?

Goodman is a clown but PC fans have been an embarrassment throughout this whole thing

This is accurate

Quote from: alleninxis on January 29, 2024, 05:10:18 PM
PC fans have called Ed's son an addict, chanted 'where's your mistress' in front of his family, accused him of skating on DUIs, called him basketball hitler, etc -- yet now there's a moral line that Goodman crossed?

Goodman is a clown but PC fans have been an embarrassment throughout this whole thing

DUI's and mistress talk are more than fair game. Not even sure what basketball hitler means so not sure how insulting it is.

Chanting about his son crosses an embarrassing line.

Quote from: alleninxis on January 29, 2024, 05:10:18 PM
PC fans have called Ed's son an addict, chanted 'where's your mistress' in front of his family, accused him of skating on DUIs, called him basketball hitler, etc -- yet now there's a moral line that Goodman crossed?

Goodman is a clown but PC fans have been an embarrassment throughout this whole thing

This isnt a logical statement. What PC fans have said and whether or not it's honest/dishonest, classy/appropriate, etc has no bearing on whether Goodman threatening an independent documentarian is moral, there's no linking the two. The documentarian's responsibility is to provide a neutral platform that encapsulates how people feel about the departure. Goodman attacked the documentarian for... doing just that? By that same logic Goodman should threaten any documentarian for filming something he disagrees with or because he deems it inappropriate. If Goodman wanted to do the moral and ethical thing he'd have said "giving these people a platform to throw out unproven allegations using the big east name was inappropriate" that creates a dialogue and debate about the information, casts light on the rumors that people were throwing out there. However, he didnt, he implicitly threatened a person, insulted their character, and tried to intimidate them (with prison which wouldn't make sense as this'd be a civil matter).

Quote from: alleninxis on January 29, 2024, 05:10:18 PM
PC fans have called Ed's son an addict, chanted 'where's your mistress' in front of his family, accused him of skating on DUIs, called him basketball hitler, etc -- yet now there's a moral line that Goodman crossed?

Goodman is a clown but PC fans have been an embarrassment throughout this whole thing

Yeah they definitely have been.

The fans are a collection of thousands of nameless idiots.

Jeff Goodman is a named idiot. He should feel embarrassed for hunting down an amateur journalist at best.

What is Cooley gonna do - sue for slander? He'd have to open himself up to defense attorneys to get that moving, and the potential truth about his affair or other things he's keeping quiet might come out.

They're all dumb for not letting a YouTube video just blow over.

Also, I guarantee if the same happened to Marquette (if Crean or Buzz went to UW or ND), our fans would be lighting crap up.

Every fanbase has fans that chant, mock, jeer, swear and say everything you can think of that should not be said. I witnessed it during the BET last March. From my experience the UConn fans were the absolute worst and there was such a gap between UConn and everyone else it was mindboggling.

If MU was in this position and Shaka left for another rival, there is a part of the MU fanbase that would act like Kansas and Texas fans have this year - classless.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2024, 12:08:14 PM
Goodman is the PR guy FOR A LOT of coaches.  If he's mentioning names for an open position, it's that coaches agent feeding him info to help get their guys raises.  When jobs open, see who he is pimping.  You'll know he's getting insider info from those coaches and their agents on all subjects.

Same with Rothstein.  There's a reason only certain coaches get the Rothsteinisms.  It's like the one strike against Shaka

Was  goodman the guy that was always promoting Buzz's bunch when there was a big job open?
Or was that Gary Parrish?

Quote from: MU_B on January 29, 2024, 05:36:28 PM

Was  goodman the guy that was always promoting Buzz's bunch when there was a big job open?
Or was that Gary Parrish?

Parrish. Though Goodman threw a lot of shade the big East's way at the time saying buzz was leaving due to the conference.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 29, 2024, 05:40:43 PM
Parrish. Though Goodman threw a lot of shade the big East's way at the time saying buzz was leaving due to the conference.

Goodman linked him with a lot of open jobs, too.  I think Paint Touches opined on this after Buzz left in an article about a group of writers telling them Buzz was ready to bolt

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 29, 2024, 05:23:40 PM
This isnt a logical statement. What PC fans have said and whether or not it's honest/dishonest, classy/appropriate, etc has no bearing on whether Goodman threatening an independent documentarian is moral, there's no linking the two. The documentarian's responsibility is to provide a neutral platform that encapsulates how people feel about the departure. Goodman attacked the documentarian for... doing just that? By that same logic Goodman should threaten any documentarian for filming something he disagrees with or because he deems it inappropriate. If Goodman wanted to do the moral and ethical thing he'd have said "giving these people a platform to throw out unproven allegations using the big east name was inappropriate" that creates a dialogue and debate about the information, casts light on the rumors that people were throwing out there. However, he didnt, he implicitly threatened a person, insulted their character, and tried to intimidate them (with prison which wouldn't make sense as this'd be a civil matter).

If you think that was a neutral platform...I have seen people who know Ed personally on twitter say it would have been fair game if any of them were asked - they were not.

Fanta says he was lied to about the project and personally apologized to Ed on Saturday. Goodman's fight in this is over Fanta - nothing else. Again, Goodman is a clown - but if what Fanta says is true about being duped - then what?

This guy is playing victim today and it's his word against Fanta - doubt we'll ever get the truth but the Big East office is NOT happy about it.

Quote from: alleninxis on January 29, 2024, 05:48:10 PM
If you think that was a neutral platform...I have seen people who know Ed personally on twitter say it would have been fair game if any of them were asked - they were not.

Fanta says he was lied to about the project and personally apologized to Ed on Saturday. Goodman's fight in this is over Fanta - nothing else. Again, Goodman is a clown - but if what Fanta says is true about being duped - then what?

This guy is playing victim today and it's his word against Fanta - doubt we'll ever get the truth but the Big East office is NOT happy about it.

https://x.com/bluedemondegen/status/1752007161482563680?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A

Right. And Fanta says otherwise. We won't know.

in the end, maybe there's less people than I thought that that wouldn't discuss the personal lives of people they don't know.

Quote from: alleninxis on January 29, 2024, 05:52:04 PM
Right. And Fanta says otherwise. We won't know.

I trust the documentarian. He has nothing to lose while fanta has lots to lose.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 29, 2024, 05:40:43 PM
Parrish. Though Goodman threw a lot of shade the big East's way at the time saying buzz was leaving due to the conference.

I think Goodman was the guy for Buzz. I think Parrish was too, but Goodman was the main one.

Is there any reason to watch this?

Quote from: panda on January 29, 2024, 05:53:16 PM
I trust the documentarian. He has nothing to lose while fanta has lots to lose.

Just because someone has more to lose it doesn't mean they are lying.

I guess I don't understand why we just aren't comfortable with admitting we don't have the whole truth.

Quote from: MuggsyB on January 29, 2024, 05:56:50 PM
Is there any reason to watch this?

it's pretty good until the PC guy grabs the wheel

Quote from: alleninxis on January 29, 2024, 05:52:04 PM
Right. And Fanta says otherwise. We won't know.

Has he publicly?

no, but that is Goodman's beef in this. People think he's defending Cooley, but it's only about Fanta being hunt out to dry (in their view - no idea if accurate).

Quote from: alleninxis on January 29, 2024, 05:10:18 PM
PC fans have called Ed's son an addict, chanted 'where's your mistress' in front of his family, accused him of skating on DUIs, called him basketball hitler, etc -- yet now there's a moral line that Goodman crossed?

Goodman is a clown but PC fans have been an embarrassment throughout this whole thing

There were people going as far as tweeting Ed's son pictures of the alleged mistress and telling him all sorts of nasty things.

Not sure how people could possibly feel ok saying the things they've said.

Quote from: panda on January 29, 2024, 05:21:41 PM
DUI's and mistress talk are more than fair game. Not even sure what basketball hitler means so not sure how insulting it is.

Chanting about his son crosses an embarrassing line.

If none of this is slander....

Then Jeff Goodman is still a punk who decided to threaten someone on behalf of either FS1, the Big East, or on behalf of Ed Cooley.

If its libel/slander/ etc. let Cooley sue the producer of the doc into oblivion.

Jeff Goodman still looks like the clown he is.

Quote from: alleninxis on January 29, 2024, 05:48:10 PM
If you think that was a neutral platform...I have seen people who know Ed personally on twitter say it would have been fair game if any of them were asked - they were not.

Fanta says he was lied to about the project and personally apologized to Ed on Saturday. Goodman's fight in this is over Fanta - nothing else. Again, Goodman is a clown - but if what Fanta says is true about being duped - then what?

This guy is playing victim today and it's his word against Fanta - doubt we'll ever get the truth but the Big East office is NOT happy about it.

If the question was "why do you think Ed left?" And a bunch of people respond with affair allegations the documentarian has a responsibility to show that. The bottom line is the documentary is a discussion on why he left and the fans reaction. True or not is irrelevant as it encapsulates the fans willingness to believe anything to figure out a justification.

Where did Fanta "says he was lied to about the project and personally apologized to Ed on Saturday" ? I haven't seen anything on that. If there's no source then I would opine that Goodman and Dauster have an unspoken social contract with coaches where there's a line of what they can discuss. This contract keeps coaches willing to participate on their podcasts and shows. Fanta appearing on the doc that likely violates this social contract jeopardizes that pipeline.

Now if Fanta is correct, then the guy deserves to be sued into oblivion but that should be handled in the court of law. Your thesis in your previous post tried to justify Goodman's threats because Providence fans were/are jackasses, but given the threats weren't to the fans on the documentary, they aren't connected to draw this tit for tat equivalency.

Quote from: alleninxis on January 29, 2024, 05:52:04 PM

in the end, maybe there's less people than I thought that that wouldn't discuss the personal lives of people they don't know.

Umm hi this is life are you new here? There's popular religious conservative memes posted all over Facebook uses sandwiches to insult Taylor swifts (assumed, and poor assumption due on a poor understanding of anatomy) genitals based on her having various exes.

Magazines that invade celebs privacy to the point of driving them to drugs.

Celeb flight trackers.

Gossip magazines & TMZ

The list goes on and has since the idea of pop culture was invented. Is Ed Cooley a public figure? Yes. Then people care.

Quote from: jfp61 on January 29, 2024, 06:17:39 PM
If none of this is slander....

Then Jeff Goodman is still a punk who decided to threaten someone on behalf of either FS1, the Big East, or on behalf of Ed Cooley.

If its libel/slander/ etc. let Cooley sue the producer of the doc into oblivion.

Jeff Goodman still looks like the clown he is.

Cooley either -

Doesn't care because he did it and got away with it or -

Knows it's true and won't do anything to publicly deny it.

This isn't rocket science folks.

Quote from: barfolomew on January 29, 2024, 12:28:15 PM

Wow, what a messed-up, crazy situation!
To think someone would publicly admit to being a DePaul fan.

🤣🤣🤣

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 29, 2024, 06:41:04 PM

If the question was "why do you think Ed left?" And a bunch of people respond with affair allegations the documentarian has a responsibility to show that. The bottom line is the documentary is a discussion on why he left and the fans reaction. True or not is irrelevant as it encapsulates the fans willingness to believe anything to figure out a justification.

Where did Fanta "says he was lied to about the project and personally apologized to Ed on Saturday" ? I haven't seen anything on that. If there's no source then I would opine that Goodman and Dauster have an unspoken social contract with coaches where there's a line of what they can discuss. This contract keeps coaches willing to participate on their podcasts and shows. Fanta appearing on the doc that likely violates this social contract jeopardizes that pipeline.

Now if Fanta is correct, then the guy deserves to be sued into oblivion but that should be handled in the court of law. Your thesis in your previous post tried to justify Goodman's threats because Providence fans were/are jackasses, but given the threats weren't to the fans on the documentary, they aren't connected to draw this tit for tat equivalency.

So, uh what about it being neutral? Didn't he have a responsibility to reach out and get Ed's side of the story from people close to him? He did not.

Fanta hasn't said that publicly, but I assure you this is the root of the issue. I am not saying Fanta is telling the truth either - but the Big East office is not exactly pleased to have one of their most visible faces tied to a propaganda piece likening one of their coaches to Hitler. Make sense?

Pretty sure I called Goodman a clown btw - I'm not justifying anything. I just don't want to hear about morals out of PC lunatics.

John Fanta, we hardly knew ya.

Thats the last we'll see of him covering the Big East, probably any major conference.

We just witnessed career suicide.  Too bad, I liked his energy.

Quote from: 94Warrior on January 29, 2024, 07:46:14 PM
John Fanta, we hardly knew ya.

Thats the last we'll see of him covering the Big East, probably any major conference.

We just witnessed career suicide.  Too bad, I liked his energy.

There's no job action against him right? I doubt there will be any.

Quote from: MUbiz on January 29, 2024, 05:33:36 PM
Every fanbase has fans that chant, mock, jeer, swear and say everything you can think of that should not be said. I witnessed it during the BET last March. From my experience the UConn fans were the absolute worst and there was such a gap between UConn and everyone else it was mindboggling.

If MU was in this position and Shaka left for another rival, there is a part of the MU fanbase that would act like Kansas and Texas fans have this year - classless.

I was there and totally agree. The UCONN fans were way over the top and absolutely insufferable.

Quote from: 94Warrior on January 29, 2024, 07:46:14 PM
John Fanta, we hardly knew ya.

Thats the last we'll see of him covering the Big East, probably any major conference.

We just witnessed career suicide.  Too bad, I liked his energy.

Ummmm.

No idea if anything will come of it, but it was moronic of Fanta to do that. Putting himself adjacent to multiple people alleging Cooley cheated on his wife and one asserting he had sex with a student was a mistake.

He's the face of the Big East and here he is tearing down one of the league's most influential members. Not only that, his involvement will likely damage his reputation in the coaching fraternity, exacerbated by Goodman inadvertantly drawing a ton of attention to the documentary when he was trying to defend Fanta.

Fanta should've vetoed that as soon as he saw it.

Why was it necessary to have a doc about this? 

When I first clicked on this thread I thought it would be Muggsy suggesting that it has been an edict sent from above that Marquette must go medieval on Nova tomorrow.

Boy was I wrong.

Instead, it's about a DePaul fan and the Field of 68 crew going medieval on each other.

Quote from: DoctorV on January 29, 2024, 10:19:36 PM
When I first clicked on this thread I thought it would be Muggsy suggesting that it has been an edict sent from above that Marquette must go medieval on UConn tomorrow.

Boy was I wrong.


Instead, it's about a DePaul fan and the Field of 68 crew going medieval on each other.

We have yet to go medieval this season Dr.V.  As for this doc?  Who cares?

Quote from: DoctorV on January 29, 2024, 10:19:36 PM
When I first clicked on this thread I thought it would be Muggsy suggesting that it has been an edict sent from above that Marquette must go medieval on UConn tomorrow.

Boy was I wrong.

Instead, it's about a DePaul fan and the Field of 68 crew going medieval on each other.

I don't think even Muggsy would expect us to go medieval in UCONN tomorrow. He's focused on Villanova.

https://twitter.com/MarkTitusShow/status/1752092619406983375

This is turning into quite the ordeal.  Maybe some will make a documentary about it.  "Requiem for Big East Films."

Quote from: panda on January 29, 2024, 05:53:16 PM
I trust the documentarian. He has nothing to lose while fanta has lots to lose.

If there is truth to the "dupeing" allegation, the documentarian could have a ton to lose depending on how he duped Fanta

Is Fanta from Providence?  He sure was slurping.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 29, 2024, 11:35:03 PM
If there is truth to the "dupeing" allegation, the documentarian could have a ton to lose depending on how he duped Fanta

Duping isn't a cognizable legal claim and it's not a crime. Also, I think Fanta just didn't realize it would piss off Cooley so much and get him in hot water with the conference. Thats just a young guy learning a hard lesson.

Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on January 30, 2024, 06:26:33 AM
Duping isn't a cognizable legal claim and it's not a crime. Also, I think Fanta just didn't realize it would piss off Cooley so much and get him in hot water with the conference. Thats just a young guy learning a hard lesson.

Depends on how the duping occurred.

Good thing Fanta cut out the lines he did. "Sh1t, I say props to Ed. I mean, us playas get madd a$$.  Respect the game, homie."

So somehow this person is going to do an hour plus doc on DePaul?

Quote from: MuggsyB on January 30, 2024, 07:40:45 AM
So somehow this person is going to do an hour plus doc on DePaul?

Hah, amazing, made me laugh. And, I was a DePaul fan as a kid.

Quote from: MuggsyB on January 30, 2024, 07:40:45 AM
So somehow this person is going to do an hour plus doc on DePaul?

Sounds like the Big East is going to shut him down for infringing on their name (Big East Films). The next one was supposed to be on the Xavier/Cincy rivalry, but sounds like that's dead.

This is really an "online" controversy. Outside of some tweets, it hasn't really registered anywhere. It will die soon if it hasn't already.

Jeff Goodman "I was looking out for Fanta".

Everyone else "you single handedly got the documentary 50k more views in one day, before it was taken down."

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 30, 2024, 08:04:16 AM
This is really an "online" controversy. Outside of some tweets, it hasn't really registered anywhere. It will die soon if it hasn't already.

I mean it's an "online" company and the vast majority of their content is online. That's a big deal even if it's not in the tabloids. Don't need to be on twitter to know that. I agree it'll die soon but brushing it off because it's only online is a decade behind the times.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 30, 2024, 08:23:40 AM
I mean it's an "online" company and the vast majority of their content is online. That's a big deal even if it's not in the tabloids. Don't need to be on twitter to know that. I agree it'll die soon but brushing it off because it's only online is a decade behind the times.

Not really. Someone mentioned 50,000 views. That's nothing in the grand scheme of things. Fanta's not losing his job over 50,000 views.  You poll a random PC fan at their next game, and I bet the vast majority of them will have no idea that this ever existed.

Online things matter to diehards who are online a lot - on X and message boards. But that's not in the least bit representative of the overall fanbase or the general public.

Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on January 30, 2024, 06:26:33 AM
Duping isn't a cognizable legal claim and it's not a crime. Also, I think Fanta just didn't realize it would piss off Cooley so much and get him in hot water with the conference. Thats just a young guy learning a hard lesson.

Nice summary in just a few words. I wonder if Fanta will publicly apologize for getting mixed up in this. It might be best to not say anything except to the BE administration privately. He learned a lesson the hard way and I think this was a case of a smart guy making a stupid mistake. Of course, I have never done anything like that.  :D

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 30, 2024, 08:29:15 AM
Not really. Someone mentioned 50,000 views. That's nothing in the grand scheme of things. Fanta's not losing his job over 50,000 views.  You poll a random PC fan at their next game, and I bet the vast majority of them will have no idea that this ever existed.

Completely agree, it's nothing in the grand scheme of things except more proof Goodmans a jackass.

Quote
Online things matter to diehards who are online a lot - on X and message boards. But that's not in the least bit representative of the overall fanbase or the general public.

disagree with this, it's outdated thinking. If your entire listener base it diehards who are online then there's no fall back segment. This isn't 2012 where he can say "our primary moneymaker is TV that's on in dentist offices and paper content we push out." It's all online thus online matters. Like any online content creator if you alienate your primary consumer base then it's a big deal, you can't just say "oh well it's just online!" When that's the only platform.

He shouldn't say anything publicly because its not resonating much publicly. And my guess is that he has already apologized to Cooley, Fox and the BE privately.

Quote from: MuggsyB on January 30, 2024, 07:40:45 AM
So somehow this person is going to do an hour plus doc on DePaul?

"The Sleeping Giant: How the 2007 Screamin' Demons set DePaul's Big East's high bar"

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 30, 2024, 08:45:42 AM
He shouldn't say anything publicly because its not resonating much publicly. And my guess is that he has already apologized to Cooley, Fox and the BE privately.

Probably so. Agree that it is best that Fanta leaves this in his rear-view mirror and move on.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 30, 2024, 08:42:42 AM
disagree with this, it's outdated thinking. If your entire listener base it diehards who are online then there's no fall back segment. This isn't 2012 where he can say "our primary moneymaker is TV that's on in dentist offices and paper content we push out." It's all online thus online matters. Like any online content creator if you alienate your primary consumer base then it's a big deal, you can't just say "oh well it's just online!" When that's the only platform.

It's not outdated thinking in the least because it's NOT the only platform. And that's what I mean by its not a big deal. Just let it die. Don't make a public statement. Tell Fanta, Goodman, etc. to STFU, and it just goes away.

IMO Fanta isn't losing his role over this, but if he does then shame on the BE.  John is one of the hardest working guys out there and still has the perspective as a fan who is working in a dream job.  He hasn't yet become a mouthpiece for coaches pushing an agenda like Goodman or a corporate drone pushing a company narrative like Bilas.  His authenticity is what people like about him, hopefully that continues whether Ed Cooley likes it or not.

My only hope that comes out of this is the BE/Fox recognize the interest in long form documentaries about the programs.  Whether Sultan thinks so or not, 70k online views in a week is a pretty big deal.  For comparison sakes, it would be in the top 5 of videos released by the conference on YouTube ever and would be the second largest video released by Fo68 ever.

Quote from: Warrior2008 on January 30, 2024, 08:57:50 AM
Whether Sultan thinks so or not, 70k online views in a week is a pretty big deal.  For comparison sakes, it would be in the top 5 of videos released by the conference on YouTube ever and would be the second largest video released by Fo68 ever.

I 100% agree with you. My statement on 50,000 views is only based in the amount and extent of controversy it causes.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 30, 2024, 08:54:51 AM
It's not outdated thinking in the least because it's NOT the only platform.

What are these other platforms for Goodman? What other listeners do you assume consume his year round college basketball content other than the niche you identified as diehards?

It's outdated thinking there's no other platforms for the type of content (podcasts, YouTube videos, blog), there's not really offline marketing channels and their target audience is the diehard online crowd that you brushed off as niche.

I mean are you assuming field of 68 can be rebranded as a radio and/or TV show? Magazine?

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 30, 2024, 08:54:51 AM
And that's what I mean by its not a big deal. Just let it die. Don't make a public statement. Tell Fanta, Goodman, etc. to STFU, and it just goes away.

100% Agree. Dauster looks worse by trolling his own fans, Goodman & Fanta at least didn't really respond to my knowledge. Tell everyone to zip it and move on and it's just another forum story of why Goodman sucks which is well known.

Quote from: MuggsyB on January 30, 2024, 07:40:45 AM
So somehow this person is going to do an hour plus doc on DePaul?

It'll be like Costanza going through his life story to get the apartment from the Andrea Doria survivor.

Quote from: MUfan12 on January 30, 2024, 09:20:24 AM
It'll be like Costanza going through his life story to get the apartment from the Andrea Doria survivor.

A really well done doc on the fall of DePaul basketball could actually be interesting.  Problem is, a lot of the voices to tell the story aren't around anymore. 

Quote from: Warrior2008 on January 30, 2024, 08:57:50 AM
IMO Fanta isn't losing his role over this, but if he does it then shame on the BE.  John is one of the hardest working guys out there and still has the perspective as a fan who is working in a dream job.  He hasn't yet become a mouthpiece for coaches pushing an agenda like Goodman or a corporate drone pushing a company narrative like Bilas.  His authenticity is what people like about him, hopefully that continues whether Ed Cooley likes it or not.

My only hope that comes out of this is the BE/Fox recognize the interest in long form documentaries about the programs.  Whether Sultan thinks so or not, 70k online views in a week is a pretty big deal.  For comparison sakes, it would be in the top 5 of videos released by the conference on YouTube ever and would be the second largest video released by Fo68 ever.

I would hope nothing would happen with Fanta either for his role on this. I don't think he said anything objectionable and came off quite well. Goodman and Dauster are the only reasons it may become problematic.

The 70,000 views will likely be far exceeded. The Barstool bump could easily double or triple that since Dave Portnoy tweeted about the video and complimented it. I hope that could lead to the other 10 being released. The irony that all of this was created by a DePaul fan is absolutely hilarious. Biggest impact they have had on the conference in years!

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 30, 2024, 09:07:32 AM
What are these other platforms for Goodman? What other listeners do you assume consume his year round college basketball content other than the niche you identified as diehards?

It's outdated thinking there's no other platforms for the type of content (podcasts, YouTube videos, blog), there's not really offline marketing channels and their target audience is the diehard online crowd that you brushed off as niche.

I mean are you assuming field of 68 can be rebranded as a radio and/or TV show? Magazine?

I think we are just talking past each other. When I say "not a big deal" I mean it won't cause long term harm to the conference, Fanta or Cooley. I meant the controversy itself is only online and hasn't spread to other media.

I fully understand how those shows have an online impact.

Quote from: Warrior2008 on January 30, 2024, 08:57:50 AM
IMO Fanta isn't losing his role over this, but if he does it then shame on the BE.  John is one of the hardest working guys out there and still has the perspective as a fan who is working in a dream job.  He hasn't yet become a mouthpiece for coaches pushing an agenda like Goodman or a corporate drone pushing a company narrative like Bilas.  His veneer of authenticity is what people like about him, hopefully that continues whether Ed Cooley likes it or not.

My only hope that comes out of this is the BE/Fox recognize the interest in long form documentaries about the programs.  Whether Sultan thinks so or not, 70k online views in a week is a pretty big deal.  For comparison sakes, it would be in the top 5 of videos released by the conference on YouTube ever and would be the second largest video released by Fo68 ever.

FIFY

Looks like Fanta is trying to have his cake and eat it too. I'm sure he wants it to go away because being affiliated with a takedown of the kind of person your livelihood relies on isn't smart, so he's letting Goodman do the dirty work. But he also wants to stay close to the Big East fan bros that made it so he's not publicly commenting and hoping his silence will let him keep his "I'm just a fan like you" schtick going.

Did Fanta have some roll in producing this?  I guess I'm confused.  Nothing Fanta said in the documentary (that I can remember, which maybe I just don't remember something...) was controversial at all or even hinted at an affair as the reason for Cooley leaving.  Was he the person on the other end of the Zooms with the guy who referred to Cooley as Hitler, scum, etc.?  I guess I don't get what Fanta did here...

Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2024, 10:13:26 AM
Did Fanta have some roll in producing this?  I guess I'm confused.

The word is role. Is this a shot at Fanta or something bruh?

Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2024, 10:13:26 AM
Did Fanta have some roll in producing this?  I guess I'm confused.  Nothing Fanta said in the documentary (that I can remember, which maybe I just don't remember something...) was controversial at all or even hinted at an affair as the reason for Cooley leaving.  Was he the person on the other end of the Zooms with the guy who referred to Cooley as Hitler, scum, etc.?  I guess I don't get what Fanta did here...

It's the association, even though he didn't say the hitler thing or the sleeping with a student accusation (or even suggest a regular affair) his name is big enough that it's not a good look.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2024, 10:13:26 AM
Did Fanta have some roll in producing this?  I guess I'm confused.  Nothing Fanta said in the documentary (that I can remember, which maybe I just don't remember something...) was controversial at all or even hinted at an affair as the reason for Cooley leaving.  Was he the person on the other end of the Zooms with the guy who referred to Cooley as Hitler, scum, etc.?  I guess I don't get what Fanta did here...

I agree with you. I think the perception is that the piece is anti-Cooley and that the conference or his employers may take issue with him participating even though he did not say anything controversial. I doubt Cooley himself would have an issue with Fanta's involvement. They have/had a very good relationship dating back to when Fanta was a student intern, as I recall.

The other potential issue for Fanta could be that he co-hosts a show with Goodman and Dauster, who issued threats against the guy that made the documentary trying to keep it under wraps. Has to be a strange dynamic between them given Fanta's involvement. I haven't seen it, but apparently Fanta may have said or intimated that he was misled in terms of the content of the "show", but the creator said Fanta viewed the finished product and have full ability to edit his parts. Not sure if he could demand that other parts be cut.

The Big East has one of it's most prominent faces in media in a propaganda piece calling Cooley 'basketball hitler', alleging adultery (with a student less) and alleging a coach not even in the Big East of scoring drugs. Not hard to see how Fanta can get blowback over this from the league office and Fox sports.

Again, Goodman's behavior is clownish. But this Matthew Leb guy is truly a piece of scum.

I mean yeah, you'd rather not have Fanta being part of it, I guess.  But did he really see the whole thing?  From the Tweet I saw from the guy who made it, it sounded like they had final edit on their parts.  If Fanta saw the documentary and said, "Cool I'm good being in here," then sure I guess I can see the issue.  But if all he was shown was what would be in there from him, and all he was told is the guy was making a documentary on each BE program and would like to have Fanta's experience of Ed going from Providence to Georgetown, then I don't see any issue at all here.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2024, 10:13:26 AM
Did Fanta have some roll in producing this?  I guess I'm confused.  Nothing Fanta said in the documentary (that I can remember, which maybe I just don't remember something...) was controversial at all or even hinted at an affair as the reason for Cooley leaving.  Was he the person on the other end of the Zooms with the guy who referred to Cooley as Hitler, scum, etc.?  I guess I don't get what Fanta did here...

Just being involved and having his face and voice next to the guy saying Cooley had sex with a student is problematic. It's guilty by association. He didn't say anything wrong, but he was in it and had full access before it saw the light of day (per Degen).

I really don't care what comes of it, but he should've known better than to be involved. If his bosses are pissed that a documentary with their name on it smearing one of their highest paid employees with unsupported affair & sex with a student allegations has the media face of the league all over it, that seems reasonable.

Fanta needs to be called in for congressional hearings

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 30, 2024, 10:38:16 AM
Fanta needs to be called in for congressional hearings

Scheduled so that it prevents him from doing any MU games.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2024, 10:36:40 AM
I mean yeah, you'd rather not have Fanta being part of it, I guess.  But did he really see the whole thing?  From the Tweet I saw from the guy who made it, it sounded like they had final edit on their parts.  If Fanta saw the documentary and said, "Cool I'm good being in here," then sure I guess I can see the issue.  But if all he was shown was what would be in there from him, and all he was told is the guy was making a documentary on each BE program and would like to have Fanta's experience of Ed going from Providence to Georgetown, then I don't see any issue at all here.

According to the documentarian, Fanta saw the whole thing and signed off on it. Fanta hasn't publically said anything to deny but there is a narrative out there that Fanta wasn't shown the whole thing and attached his name to something without realizing it was going to be a smear piece on Cooley.

To me, Occum's and Hanlan's Razor would suggest that Fanta was given access to the whole thing, only watched his clips, and then greenlit it without seeing the problematic bits. Which if true, would be Fanta's own fault.

I just hope this doesn't impact Fanta's ability to voice Olaf in the next Frozen.

Also, I'm a little surprised Fanta didn't need sign off from the Big East for this. You'd think he'd be smart enough to realize something called Big East Films might not make the conference too happy. Unless that name came about after the fact.

Fanta's father just passed away. I am sure he will say something when it is the right time. RIP poppa Fanta.

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1752430968772653133

Quote from: MUbiz on January 30, 2024, 02:49:45 PM
Fanta's father just passed away. I am sure he will say something when it is the right time. RIP poppa Fanta.

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1752430968772653133

Beautiful tribute by John to his father.

Quote from: MUbiz on January 30, 2024, 02:49:45 PM
Fanta's father just passed away. I am sure he will say something when it is the right time. RIP poppa Fanta.

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1752430968772653133

I bet this killed him.

Quote from: MUbiz on January 30, 2024, 02:49:45 PM
Fanta's father just passed away. I am sure he will say something when it is the right time. RIP poppa Fanta.

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1752430968772653133

Sometimes the universe really is unbelievably cruel. I can't imagine having your phone blow up like that on the day your father dies. How shitty...

Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on January 30, 2024, 04:03:19 PM
Sometimes the universe really is unbelievably cruel. I can't imagine having your phone blow up like that on the day your father dies. How crapty...

Gives a whole new meaning to Divine Providence

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 30, 2024, 12:13:57 PM
According to the documentarian, Fanta saw the whole thing and signed off on it. Fanta hasn't publically said anything to deny but there is a narrative out there that Fanta wasn't shown the whole thing and attached his name to something without realizing it was going to be a smear piece on Cooley.

To me, Occum's and Hanlan's Razor would suggest that Fanta was given access to the whole thing, only watched his clips, and then greenlit it without seeing the problematic bits. Which if true, would be Fanta's own fault.

The bolded part above is the most plausible explanation.  And whether Fanta is fired doesn't really matter.

I'm fairly certain the coaches of the Big East will defend Ed Cooley on this one, and in a show of solidarity will freeze out anyone who played a part in this.  Fanta & Goodman will lose all access to Big East programs, they are done with the Big East and possibly with other major conferences, as well.

It may not be fair, and Fanta probably doesn't deserve this, but I would be shocked if this just blows over.

Quote from: 94Warrior on January 30, 2024, 11:26:53 PM
The bolded part above is the most plausible explanation.  And whether Fanta is fired doesn't really matter.

I'm fairly certain the coaches of the Big East will defend Ed Cooley on this one, and in a show of solidarity will freeze out anyone who played a part in this.  Fanta & Goodman will lose all access to Big East programs, they are done with the Big East and possibly with other major conferences, as well.

It may not be fair, and Fanta probably doesn't deserve this, but I would be shocked if this just blows over.

I get what you are saying but disagree that it will play out as you outlined. I think Fanta, and probably Goodman as well, will continue to have access to BE programs. They are somewhat like political journalists- people who the pols need and use (and vice-versa)  to further their agendas/stories.   

Yeah no one is going to get frozen out of anything. My guess is that Fanta has already apologized to Cooley - it's not like *he* was the one making the accusations. And while Cooley might be annoyed at the whole thing, he will just let it slide. From the BE perspective it's likely over. Everyone is just going to move on.

People seem to genuinely like Fanta. He's enthusiastic and good at his job. One misstep is not going to change all of that.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2024, 07:44:21 AM
Yeah no one is going to get frozen out of anything. My guess is that Fanta has already apologized to Cooley - it's not like *he* was the one making the accusations. And while Cooley might be annoyed at the whole thing, he will just let it slide. From the BE perspective it's likely over. Everyone is just going to move on.

People seem to genuinely like Fanta. He's enthusiastic and good at his job. One misstep is not going to change all of that.

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Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2024, 07:44:21 AM
Yeah no one is going to get frozen out of anything. My guess is that Fanta has already apologized to Cooley - it's not like *he* was the one making the accusations. And while Cooley might be annoyed at the whole thing, he will just let it slide. From the BE perspective it's likely over. Everyone is just going to move on.

People seem to genuinely like Fanta. He's enthusiastic and good at his job. One misstep is not going to change all of that.

Fanta works directly for the Big East Digital (W2) and freelances for Fox Sports and Field of 68 (1099). He is not getting frozen out of anything imho. He is the most popular BE media personality we have. I am sure we will never find out, but I would think Fanta would have cleared his appearance with the BE. If he did or did not, none of this really matters and everyone will move on. Honestly this would have been a non issue if Goodman did not say what he said to the Blue demon guy. The video went from barely 10k views to over 80k overnight before it was removed and the video is now uploaded on other sites than just YouTube.

According to DBR Goodman was fired from Fo68

(https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2024/1/31/24055039/jeff-goodman-ed-cooley-divine-providence-big-east-basketball-field-of-68)
Have you guys followed the Jeff Goodman story?
If you haven't, here are the basics.Goodman, who has been a top basketball writer for a long time,  has been working on the Field of 68 podcast and was summarily fired because of an interaction with a guy who made a documentary about Providence and Ed Cooley. Apparently it's part of a series about the Big East schools. Providence native Cooley left PC for Georgetown last year and there are some epic bad feelings back in his hometown.
In Divine Providence, one person compares Ed Cooley to Hitler. It's disgusting obviously but that's just an opinion and you know what people say about opinions.
But someone also accuses Cooley of extramarital affairs and if you can't prove that, you've really set yourself up for trouble.

As we understand it, Cooley and Goodman are good friends and Goodman thought he was sticking up for Cooley.
But he appears to have gone too far and told the aspiring filmmaker that he would find him.
And that got him fired.

Goodman posted this video (https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1752522140404892031?s=20) on X/Twitter. It doesn't really clear things up very much. We don't think Cooley has commented on this yet.
So to sum up: some rando made a "documentary" about Ed Cooley and Providence that he wasn't willing to attach his name to, Goodman found out and tried, in a pretty stupid way, to stick up for his friend.

Quote from: MUbiz on January 31, 2024, 10:17:30 AM
Fanta works directly for the Big East Digital (W2) and freelances for Fox Sports and Field of 68 (1099). He is not getting frozen out of anything imho. He is the most popular BE media personality we have. I am sure we will never find out, but I would think Fanta would have cleared his appearance with the BE. If he did or did not, none of this really matters and everyone will move on. Honestly this would have been a non issue if Goodman did not say what he said to the Blue demon guy. The video went from barely 10k views to over 80k overnight before it was removed and the video is now uploaded on other sites than just YouTube.

I wouldn't. Fanta will go on just about any podcast at a moment's notice. Talking to people who've had him on, he's not a difficult get. Maybe he cleared it, but he seems the sort to say yes and do the interview before he considers ramifications. Especially considering the "duped" narrative Fo68 was pushing.

Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on January 31, 2024, 10:55:24 AM
According to DBR Goodman was fired from Fo68

(https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2024/1/31/24055039/jeff-goodman-ed-cooley-divine-providence-big-east-basketball-field-of-68)
Have you guys followed the Jeff Goodman story?
If you haven't, here are the basics.Goodman, who has been a top basketball writer for a long time,  has been working on the Field of 68 podcast and was summarily fired because of an interaction with a guy who made a documentary about Providence and Ed Cooley. Apparently it's part of a series about the Big East schools. Providence native Cooley left PC for Georgetown last year and there are some epic bad feelings back in his hometown.
In Divine Providence, one person compares Ed Cooley to Hitler. It's disgusting obviously but that's just an opinion and you know what people say about opinions.
But someone also accuses Cooley of extramarital affairs and if you can't prove that, you've really set yourself up for trouble.

As we understand it, Cooley and Goodman are good friends and Goodman thought he was sticking up for Cooley.
But he appears to have gone too far and told the aspiring filmmaker that he would find him.
And that got him fired.

Goodman posted this video (https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1752522140404892031?s=20) on X/Twitter. It doesn't really clear things up very much. We don't think Cooley has commented on this yet.
So to sum up: some rando made a "documentary" about Ed Cooley and Providence that he wasn't willing to attach his name to, Goodman found out and tried, in a pretty stupid way, to stick up for his friend.

Goodman was on Fo68 last night with Dauster so I highly doubt he's been fired.

I don't think he's been fired, but that video was weak. Don't excuse this with "I always back my guys." That's just lame.

The guy who made the Divine Providence doc just tweeted that "(good) things might be happening", following praise from Dave Portnoy and the guy's pitch to barstool to have them sponsor his big east films. While it is not clear barstool is involved, it may be a good sign that he has made friends in higher places andmore documentaries may be forthcoming.

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2024, 11:43:28 AM
I don't think he's been fired, but that video was weak. Don't excuse this with "I always back my guys." That's just lame.

Amen. I guess my last thought is this doesn't really look good for anyone, but especially Goodman and even Dauster.

Goodman's apology was half-hearted and more of an explanation than a sincere effort to atone for his overreaction.  Who exactly did he need to protect Fanta from considering Fanta didn't say a thing remotely controversial?  The Big East? Cooley?  I'd argue that within the Big East, Fanta's name carries as much weight as Goodman's. But ignoring that, its beyond messed up to think protecting someone includes hoping into someone else's DMs and telling people that he's gonna find them and they're going to jail.  Goodman deserves all of the backlash he got and probably more.

Dauster followed up Goodman's apology with strawman arguments about Goodman helping younger journalists(no one ever discussed that) and then linked Fanta's Dad's(RIP) gofundme to the apology which is frankly even more bizarre.  Admittedly I love Fo68 and watch it most nights and will probably continue to do so, but this whole thing has made me question whether or not I want to.

Quote from: Bahama on January 31, 2024, 11:44:09 AM
The guy who made the Divine Providence doc just tweeted that "(good) things might be happening", following praise from Dave Portnoy and the guy's pitch to barstool to have them sponsor his big east films. While it is not clear barstool is involved, it may be a good sign that he has made friends in higher places andmore documentaries may be forthcoming.

Well if he wants to get in with that sh*tbag, he'll always find an audience.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 31, 2024, 11:00:42 AM
I wouldn't. Fanta will go on just about any podcast at a moment's notice. Talking to people who've had him on, he's not a difficult get. Maybe he cleared it, but he seems the sort to say yes and do the interview before he considers ramifications. Especially considering the "duped" narrative Fo68 was pushing.

Doing that is in large part what makes Fanta as admirable and authentic as he is (I'm a fan, maybe others don't feel that way). Though, it was a horrible decision by him and it's lesson learned I am sure.

If I understand correctly, the person was anonymous at the time as well making that even more head scratching. A bit different than hopping on Dodd's show a year ago (which was a good listen btw).

Quote from: Warrior2008 on January 31, 2024, 11:55:20 AM
Amen. I guess my last thought is this doesn't really look good for anyone, but especially Goodman and even Dauster.

Goodman's apology was half-hearted and more of an explanation than a sincere effort to atone for his overreaction.  Who exactly did he need to protect Fanta from considering Fanta didn't say a thing remotely controversial?  The Big East? Cooley?  I'd argue that within the Big East, Fanta's name carries as much weight as Goodman's. But ignoring that, its beyond messed up to think protecting someone includes hoping into someone else's DMs and telling people that he's gonna find them and they're going to jail.  Goodman deserves all of the backlash he got and probably more.

Dauster followed up Goodman's apology with strawman arguments about Goodman helping younger journalists(no one ever discussed that) and then linked Fanta's Dad's(RIP) gofundme to the apology which is frankly even more bizarre.  Admittedly I love Fo68 and watch it most nights and will probably continue to do so, but this whole thing has made me question whether or not I want to.

Oy. Raising charitable contributions through GoFundMe....

Quote from: CountryRoads on January 31, 2024, 11:57:35 AM
Doing that is in large part what makes Fanta as admirable and authentic as he is (I'm a fan, maybe others don't feel that way). Though, it was a horrible decision by him and it's lesson learned I am sure.

If I understand correctly, the person was anonymous at the time as well making that even more head scratching. A bit different than hopping on Dodd's show a year ago (which was a good listen btw).

I wish Dodds was anonymous too.

Quote from: Bahama on January 31, 2024, 11:44:09 AM
The guy who made the Divine Providence doc just tweeted that "(good) things might be happening", following praise from Dave Portnoy and the guy's pitch to barstool to have them sponsor his big east films. While it is not clear barstool is involved, it may be a good sign that he has made friends in higher places andmore documentaries may be forthcoming.

I was in the Curry Hicks Sage space last night - the Blue demon guy is basically a fresh grad who lives in LA and does not have much cash who loves to edit video in his free time. He said the cost of the Providence video was $100 for the narrator and about 100 hours of his free time. Barstool and multiple outlets have offered to pay him money to finish the rest of the 10 docs. Assuming this time the DMCA and copyright issues will be resolved before anymore.

Who would be willing to be in one of his docs at this point though? I would think just about anyone that would be good in a doc would say no, regardless if the topic is less controversial.

Quote from: Its DJOver on January 31, 2024, 12:38:50 PM
Who would be willing to be in one of his docs at this point though? I would think just about anyone that would be good in a doc would say no, regardless if the topic is less controversial.

Every BE fanbase would have for sure a handful of people that would be willing to talk to get social media exposure I would be willing to bet.

Quote from: MUbiz on January 31, 2024, 12:46:58 PM
Every BE fanbase would have for sure a handful of people that would be willing to talk to get social media exposure I would be willing to bet.

Fans maybe, but nobody with any inside connection/sources would.  Take MU for example, IDK what the topic would be but no one associated with the University would talk to him.  Nobody like Ben Steele or even Dodds would talk to him.  We're blessed with an incredible blogging community (PT, AE, CS), that I would imagine would all turn him down. Would a doc featuring Chicos really be worth it?

Quote from: Its DJOver on January 31, 2024, 12:51:21 PM
Fans maybe, but nobody with any inside connection/sources would.  Take MU for example, IDK what the topic would be but no one associated with the University would talk to him.  Nobody like Ben Steele or even Dodds would talk to him.  We're blessed with an incredible blogging community (PT, AE, CS), that I would imagine would all turn him down. Would a doc featuring Chicos really be worth it?

You are correct, no inside source would take this on.

I think the MU doc personnel would have to be centered around the topic at hand. It's not that outlandish to assume MU personnel from decade(s) ago would talk about something, doesn't have to be current. Plenty of drama in the Wojo years/following the Buzz transition years that could draw attention. There are bigger fish to fry for them with other docs before (if) they even get to MU though. Who knows - maybe the reputation of the series will gain more traction/respect as it carries on.

Quote from: Its DJOver on January 31, 2024, 12:51:21 PM
Fans maybe, but nobody with any inside connection/sources would.  Take MU for example, IDK what the topic would be but no one associated with the University would talk to him.  Nobody like Ben Steele or even Dodds would talk to him.  We're blessed with an incredible blogging community (PT, AE, CS), that I would imagine would all turn him down. Would a doc featuring Chicos really be worth it?

A doc with Chicos would be a hoopaloop featuring at least four personalities.  You don't need multiple sources if you have Chicos.

I figured the ability to recruit at such a high level despite the crime factory of a dental school on campus.

Dauster and Goodman are the only reason anyone knows about this documentary.  It looked like...well, a documentary done by someone who doesn't do this professionally.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 31, 2024, 02:14:03 PM
Dauster and Goodman are the only reason anyone knows about this documentary.  It looked like...well, a documentary done by someone who doesn't do this professionally.

That is what I have been saying. If Dauster and Goodman never say a word about it, this documentary gets 10k views max. It has now been seen over 100k times across platforms and will probably keep going. The largest view count of any field of 68 video has ever had is about 85k views iirc.

Taken down due to a trademark claim by a third party.

Quote from: lawdog77 on January 31, 2024, 02:48:28 PM
Taken down due to a trademark claim by a third party.

Divine Providence is still up on vimeo and youtube. I believe there is a rumble link out there somewhere as well. Whenever it gets taken down, someone else keeps uploading it. It will continue to be a game of whack a mole.

https://vimeo.com/907882024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlPZvQPyBI0

Quote from: CountryRoads on January 31, 2024, 11:57:35 AMIf I understand correctly, the person was anonymous at the time as well making that even more head scratching. A bit different than hopping on Dodd's show a year ago (which was a good listen btw).

The creator did not use the Blue Demon Degen account as the driver behind his movie, but Fanta and him definitely communicate regularly and Fanta knew who he was. It wasn't someone Fanta saying yes to some rando he didn't know.

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 31, 2024, 04:08:44 PM
The creator did not use the Blue Demon Degen account as the driver behind his movie, but Fanta and him definitely communicate regularly and Fanta knew who he was. It wasn't someone Fanta saying yes to some rando he didn't know.

Thanks for this context.

Jeff Goodman surrounded by his friends and supporters here before tip

https://x.com/bj__sports/status/1753859743108518205?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw

The guy who ripped into Ed Cooley from this mini doc, was tackled by security at the AMP over the weekend after the Georgetown game.

https://x.com/friarwarrior/status/1883307563690992127?t=XCZj8JGYuhtip_F3YOpRxw&s=19

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 01:53:30 PMThe guy who ripped into Ed Cooley from this mini doc, was tackled by security at the AMP over the weekend after the Georgetown game.

https://x.com/friarwarrior/status/1883307563690992127?t=XCZj8JGYuhtip_F3YOpRxw&s=19

WTH?

This is what happens when you give trolls too much legitimacy

The Marquette doc would have been full of intrigue. Why Crean surreptitiously left in the dark of night, how the administration forced Buzz to leave, how the fanbase languished through the Wojo dark ages and how Shaka is on his way to deliver us to the promised land.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 28, 2025, 01:45:52 PMThe Marquette doc would have been full of intrigue. Why Crean surreptitiously left in the dark of night, how the administration forced Buzz to leave, how the fanbase languished through the Wojo dark ages and how Shaka is on his way to deliver us to the promised land.

Or what the name Gold has to do hidden treasure

He also came out and said he has "been advised not to discuss the situation" Smells like a lawsuit to me. This will be interesting.

I'm sure that guy did absolutely nothing to deserve it.