Oso
Jop deserving if it wasn't for Oso. Stevie and Ben nice games too.
Oso emerging as a POY candidate in the BE.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 27, 2024, 01:48:16 PM
Oso emerging as a POY candidate in the BE.
Could he be creeping into lottery discussion?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 27, 2024, 01:46:54 PM
Oso
Jop deserving if it wasn't for Oso. Stevie and Ben nice games too.
No argument
Osasere. Amazing.
Jop was unbelievable on both ends, hard to not give it to him.
Benny too.
TyKo the Creator, awesome at getting others theirs
Oso.
Joplin & Mitchell were outstanding.
Mitchell
13 points, 6 rebounds, 5 steals.
With Richmond out, key was to not let Dawes go off. Mitchell held him to 8 points, 2 of which were last minute free throws. He did his job in all aspects today.
Really happy for Jop and Gold. It felt like they broke loose.
But man, Oso. I hope I remember how fun it was to watch him at his best when he's gone.
Oso and Jop co studs
Ben with maybe his best all around game at MU
Oso.
But Stevie with another defensive clinic.
Oso again, but honorable mentions to Jop, Ben and Stevie.
Oso. If he had hit a few more bunnies he could have put up 30. No issue if he were to take 15-19 shot a game from here on out. Love watching him.
Stevie was fantastic today. Great effort from Ben. 11 assists from Tyler.
Quote from: nyg on January 27, 2024, 01:59:23 PM
Mitchell
13 points, 6 rebounds, 5 steals.
With Richmond out, key was to not let Dawes go off. Mitchell held him to 8 points, 2 of which were last minute free throws. He did his job in all aspects today.
I agree with your point about Stevie and his impact on almost every game he plays. But today he was third behind ...
Oso
Joplin
Oso brings it every night. For me, Jop turning defensive energy into an offensive outburst was huge.
Ben defense is an HM
Man has Stevie been good since conference play started.
Stevie
Oso clear cut.
Even when he was missing bunnies in the first half. We get what we want and we stop the opponent when Oso is in and things go through him.
Game shifted when he hit foul trouble. Put him back in. Immediate run.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on January 27, 2024, 01:49:48 PM
Could he be creeping into lottery discussion?
I agree SOTG ... Others too deserving.
BUT Oso is only lottery in down year. No shot outside 12 feet and even then a push. Just being realistic.
But I like him and wish him the best and with his drive will earn NBA money.
As good as Stevie was, don't change the picture Rocky.
Oso. Will say it again, if MU gets 80% of Oso's last two games, they are legit contenders for a deep run in March.
Oso.
He might end up in the lottery of this draft class
Jop. Nice to see him bring both offensively and defensively. No bonehead plays either. Nice to be able to get the benchwarmers in the game today.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 27, 2024, 02:13:34 PM
I agree SOTG ... Others too deserving.
BUT Oso is only lottery in down year. No shot outside 12 feet and even then a push. Just being realistic.
But I like him and wish him the best and with his drive will earn NBA money.
He's an interesting test case for how high a player can be drafted who can't shoot and has only shown promise as a driver to the hoop. The plus ball handling and plus plus passing/facilitation are very unique traits for his frame. The passing in particular is clearly already an NBA-caliber skill. Between that and an above average defensive profile, I think he could push into the lower levels of the lottery with a big end to his season.
Oso has an above average defensive profile? That might be understating possibly the most complete part of his game. He plays excellent defense, and extremely smart defense.
Quote from: Goose on January 27, 2024, 03:00:02 PM
Oso has an above average defensive profile? That might be understating possibly the most complete part of his game. He plays excellent defense, and extremely smart defense.
To me, Oso's biggest strength defensively is when he switches out on guards or wings. Very rarely are they able to take him off the dribble and that versatility completely disrupts the offense.
Vander
He guards all over the court, seldom makes dumb fouls, except for #2 against Purdue, and has great vision and anticipation. He is an elite defender, imo.
Oso Igohodaro
Honorable Mention
Stevie Mitchell
David Joplin
Ben. Gold.
I gotta go with Stevie. 13 pts., 6 boards, 5 steals, 0 turnovers, and he shut Dawes down.
Oso for sure, but as someone who has been really down on Ben I think this was the best game he played all year. Made some (still ugly) shots but was disruptive on D, hustled his a$$ off, and grabbed some boards. If we get that Ben the rest of the season I will be very happy.
Oso was dominant.
Hats off to Jop, Stevie, Ben, and even Kolek for his 11 assists.
1SE
Not trying to be argumentative, but curious on why Gold's shots were ugly? I watched the game with a former MU player, and very knowledgeable basketball guy, and he cannot say enough about Gold's form and shot. I have watched 4-5 games with him this season and he constantly in saying Gold has to shot more and that he is a very big weapon for the team.
I really am curious on your thoughts.
It was Oso. The way he's played of late, he's a damn cheat code.
Quote from: Goose on January 27, 2024, 03:29:45 PM
1SE
Not trying to be argumentative, but curious on why Gold's shots were ugly? I watched the game with a former MU player, and very knowledgeable basketball guy, and he cannot say enough about Gold's form and shot. I have 4-5 games with him this season and he constantly in saying Gold has to shot more anc that he is a very big weapon for the team.
I really am curious on your thoughts.
Yeah, there is a lot of bashing Ben's shooting form. His form is fine. Nice high release, good back spin, sometimes flat. I think sometimes his footwork is poor and he's maybe not square to the basket, and sometimes he rushes. If he is in rhythm and takes his time the shot looks pure.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 27, 2024, 03:36:07 PM
Yeah, there is a lot of bashing Ben's shooting form. His form is fine. Nice high release, good back spin, sometimes flat. I think sometimes his footwork is poor and he's maybe not square to the basket, and sometimes he rushes. If he is in rhythm and takes his time the shot looks pure.
Yes, I think it's mainly air under the ball - just a lot less room for error when your shot reaches its zenith at 12ft. I had kids bouncing around so didn't see all his shots today, but the ones I saw (some which went in) were still very flat.
Bit I was super impressed by his hustle and activity on D and the boards today. If he can hit enough from outside to keep Ds honest and continue to have that kind of motor in the other end we could have a very nice March.
Quote from: nyg on January 27, 2024, 01:59:23 PM
Mitchell
13 points, 6 rebounds, 5 steals.
With Richmond out, key was to not let Dawes go off. Mitchell held him to 8 points, 2 of which were last minute free throws. He did his job in all aspects today.
I really like this choice. We don't give D enough weight for SoG, and Stevie certainly was a defensive stud to go with his offensive and rebounding contributions. Also, Jop played his best defensive game ever IMHO, along with scoring 20.
But Oso was great (as usual) defensively as well, and his stat line was superior. That, despite having a "bad" shooting game of only 53%. So it's Oso for me, but I'd have no problem with either of the others.
I think co-SOTG- Jop and Oso. They were both terrific. Oso left a few shots out there. He should have had 30.
Yes, he could have.
I love legit SOTG debate when TKO and Kam aren't even in the conversation.
I am voting Stevie. 13 points, great D
Iggy once again SOTG. He was both the finisher and the passer.
Joplin, Stevie, Gold and TK with all of the assists get HM
I really want to say Stevie, his defense was that good, but it's Oso.
Quote from: Daniel on January 27, 2024, 03:57:09 PM
I am voting Stevie. 13 points, great D
He is great at so many little things. Very valuable player. If he could just pick up his shooting and become more reliable to kick out to.
Jop
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 27, 2024, 03:02:59 PM
To me, Oso's biggest strength defensively is when he switches out on guards or wings. Very rarely are they able to take him off the dribble and that versatility completely disrupts the offense.
It's one of the reasons he will have a long NBA career.
Quote from: Daniel on January 27, 2024, 03:57:09 PM
I am voting Stevie. 13 points, great D
Stevie had maybe the best five minute stretch of defensive intensity in that 2nd half have seen in two decades by a MU player.
Add in his rebounding in the first half to keep it close, scoring and five steals. Oso was great but those three turns is the tie breaker.
Quote from: Goose on January 27, 2024, 03:00:02 PM
Oso has an above average defensive profile? That might be understating possibly the most complete part of his game. He plays excellent defense, and extremely smart defense.
Above average for the NBA level.
What got Omax to the league was defense. Oso being able to guard 5 positions is his ticket. I used this example last summer. Oso guarding Bam and switches on to Jimmy. Or guarding Jokic and switching on to Murray. Particularly come playoff time, agile, versatile defenders are valuable as NBA run screen and rolls to create mismatches.
tower
I agree. His ticket is punched because of defensive flexibility and the offense is a bonus, imo. I believe he will have a very, very long and prosperous NBA career.
Oso
No doubt NBA scouts are salivating at Oso's skills and potential on D. But even with a high-end defensive projection, you can't make it to the NBA without an offensive profile. Facilitation and passing are very important to Oso's draft stock.
How fortunate are we to have so many strong candidates for SOTG
Quote from: Judge Smails on January 27, 2024, 07:18:52 PM
How fortunate are we to have so many strong candidates for SOTG
Good point. This team is exciting to watch
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on January 27, 2024, 07:09:38 PM
No doubt NBA scouts are salivating at Oso's skills and potential on D. But even with a high-end defensive projection, you can't make it to the NBA without an offensive profile. Facilitation and passing are very important to Oso's draft stock.
Another key part of Oso's offensive profile is his elite ability as a roll man. He's lethal at slipping screens and getting to the rim for dunks.
Teams have adjusted this year to take that away more than they did last year. But Oso's added an elite floater game, shooting ~65% on high volume.
I'd love it if Oso somehow slipped to the Bucks at 28, but think he goes higher.
Oso
You've gotta love a STOG thread where TyKo had what, 11 dimes, and he hasn't been mentioned.
Oso
I vote Stevie...obviously great D but Tyler and Kam combine for 7 hus 13 are Huge!!
I love having so many options for selecting SOTG.
Make mine Oso.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on January 27, 2024, 07:09:38 PM
No doubt NBA scouts are salivating at Oso's skills and potential on D. But even with a high-end defensive projection, you can't make it to the NBA without an offensive profile. Facilitation and passing are very important to Oso's draft stock.
JFB says hi
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 28, 2024, 10:08:10 AM
JFB says hi
Butler has developed a ton since being here, but he had an offensive profile. Always over 50% inside the arc and career 38% shooter from deep. His defense was the most appealing part, but the tools were there to be a contributing NBA player. Obviously no one saw him becoming this, but I think there was a belief he could play at that level.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 28, 2024, 10:33:13 AM
Butler has developed a ton since being here, but he had an offensive profile. Always over 50% inside the arc and career 38% shooter from deep. His defense was the most appealing part, but the tools were there to be a contributing NBA player. Obviously no one saw him becoming this, but I think there was a belief he could play at that level.
Yes, Oso inside paint>>> JFB? But Butler was mainly drafted for his D, had he not had that way above average skill probably wouldn't have made it as final 1st round pick. Oso is as versatile on D as JFB was and I believe any good NBA scout would think he can develop a decent jumper.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 28, 2024, 10:42:59 AM
Yes, Oso inside paint>>> JFB? But Butler was mainly drafted for his D, had he not had that way above average skill probably wouldn't have made it as final 1st round pick. Oso is as versatile on D as JFB was and I believe any good NBA scout would think he can develop a decent jumper.
Jimmy's 2010 season was one of the best offensive seasons this century from a Marquette player. Took a slight step back his last year but teams that understood his offensive profile knew he was pretty damn good offensive player
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 27, 2024, 03:58:54 PM
I really want to say Stevie, his defense was that good, but it's Oso.
This
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2024, 10:50:34 AM
Jimmy's 2010 season was one of the best offensive seasons this century from a Marquette player. Took a slight step back his last year but teams that understood his offensive profile knew he was pretty damn good offensive player
Understand, but I remember all draft "experts" saying what teams were really focusing was mainly his D skills. Maybe I'm wrong but my belief at this point is that Oso's skills at both ends look much more polished. Oso's only weakness is no outside jump shot, but he can blow by defenders with his handles. But as I said I could be wrong.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2024, 10:50:34 AM
Jimmy's 2010 season was one of the best offensive seasons this century from a Marquette player. Took a slight step back his last year but teams that understood his offensive profile knew he was pretty damn good offensive player
Jimmy was probably the best Marquette player I've ever seen at getting and ones around the hoop, often times off offensive boards.
His ability to battle inside and position his body to finish really stood out from the jump at MU.
Another guy that had hall of fame body positioning and ability to finish in multiple creative ways was #3.
Oso is already projecting higher in mock drafts I've seen the last month-plus than Jimmy ever did. It was considered a surprise when the Bulls took him with the last pick of the first round.
That said, I do believe that although Jimmy was drafted primarily for his defensive ability, he did have an "offensive profile." He made multiple game-winning jumpers while at Marquette. Being willing to take that shot and being able to make that shot says something to NBA scouts.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 28, 2024, 12:47:55 PM
Jimmy was probably the best Marquette player I've ever seen at getting and ones around the hoop, often times off offensive boards.
His ability to battle inside and position his body to finish really stood out from the jump at MU.
Another guy that had hall of fame body positioning and ability to finish in multiple creative ways was #3.
Incredible basketball IQ and vision. Different player than Oso but some things in common
Yes he was a defense-first prospect, but Jimmy's scoring ability was undoubtedly rated higher by NBA scouts than Oso's now. Despite their very different prospect profiles, I'd guess projections of overall offensive value at the pro level are somewhat similar for both. Of course we know how those projections for Jimmy ended up.
I don't agree that NBA scouts would assume Oso can develop a serviceable jumper. If they did, he's be an obvious top 10 pick, perhaps near the very top of the draft.
To be clear, I love Oso's game and am bullish on his potential as a pro. It's been exciting recently to see him drive to the hoop more often. I think if he flashes that skill more often in big games the rest of this season, he will make it into the lottery.
I am here only to correct the shameful lack of love given to Ben's block and behind the head save to start the Jop run out.
Amazing what a little confidence can do for a kid.
That said, Steve Lappas and I agree that SOTG was Isogordo.
Quote from: barfolomew on January 29, 2024, 07:52:38 AM
That said, Steve Lappas and I agree that SOTG was Isogordo.
Well then, El Gordo it is!
Quote from: barfolomew on January 29, 2024, 07:52:38 AM
I am here only to correct the shameful lack of love given to Ben's block and behind the head save to start the Jop run out.
Amazing what a little confidence can do for a kid.
That said, Steve Lappas and I agree that SOTG was Isogordo.
It was a great play. The kid is coming on.
Quote from: barfolomew on January 29, 2024, 07:52:38 AM
I am here only to correct the shameful lack of love given to Ben's block and behind the head save to start the Jop run out.
Amazing what a little confidence can do for a kid.
That said, Steve Lappas and I agree that SOTG was Isogordo.
Fat Bear
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 29, 2024, 08:09:24 AM
Well then, El Gordo it is!
Too bad he is out of shape, fire Todd!