3-15
0- 7 in the BE (five of the losses were 25 points or more)
10-23 last year
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39363878/depaul-fires-tony-stubblefield-3-15-start-season
Being discussed extensively in the Coaching Carousel topic.
Quote from: Not A Serious Person on January 22, 2024, 02:57:32 PM
3-15
0- 7 in the BE (five of the losses were 25 points or more)
10-23 last year
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39363878/depaul-fires-tony-stubblefield-3-15-start-season
I don't think this is true. Source?
Who wants that job?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2024, 02:59:38 PM
Being discussed extensively in the Coaching Carousel topic.
All about the clicks
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2024, 02:59:38 PM
Being discussed extensively in the Coaching Carousel topic.
And exactly
when has that stopped anyone from staring a new thread? I'm thinking about starting one for possible replacement candidates, then another one so scoopers can vote on who they think DP's new coach will be.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 22, 2024, 03:14:26 PM
Who wants that job?
People who want to make a million plus a year
Wojo could elevate DePaul. They are currently bottom 80. He could get them to bottom 200, I have no doubt.
Wojo2D
DePaul is doomed.
"Despite a 21-win season in 2016, Brady was fired due to allegedly declining attendance at Dukes' games."
Fortunately for Brady, it will be impossible for DePaul to have declining attendance during his interim gig! In fact, his first game will probably have record attendance for the year.
They're doomed.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 22, 2024, 04:08:21 PM
"Despite a 21-win season in 2016, Brady was fired due to allegedly declining attendance at Dukes' games."
Fortunately for Brady, it will be impossible for DePaul to have declining attendance during his interim gig! In fact, his first game will probably have record attendance for the year.
So it'll decline after his first game?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 22, 2024, 03:30:46 PM
Wojo could elevate DePaul. They are currently bottom 80. He could get them to bottom 200, I have no doubt.
LOL
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 22, 2024, 04:42:56 PM
So it'll decline after his first game?
Hmm, dang, hadn't thought that all the way through. Increasing average attendance?
More importantly, has anyone notified the DePaul fan yet?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 22, 2024, 05:31:17 PM
More importantly, has anyone notified the DePaul fan yet?
Yes, it's been verified he called his wife after receiving the news.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 22, 2024, 05:31:17 PM
More importantly, has anyone notified the DePaul fan yet?
My son is a DePaul alum.
And a Marquette basketball fan his whole life.
I'm guessing Stubblefield is blue! blue! blue! tonight.
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 22, 2024, 06:52:33 PM
I'm guessing Stubblefield is blue! blue! blue! tonight.
And Blew! Blew! Blew!
Hope the AD didn't do this right now to light a fire under his squad so they could get their only BE win of the season on Wednesday....
What a snake if so
I'm sure the response will be the best home crowd of the season.
Patrick Ewing is available but DePaul probably wants to see if the third time is a charm with Dave Leitao.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 22, 2024, 07:53:36 PM
I'm sure the response will be the best home crowd of the season.
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Quote from: BLWarrior91 on January 22, 2024, 09:55:12 PM
Patrick Ewing is available but DePaul probably wants to see if the third time is a charm with Dave Leitao.
There is a rumor nolongerwarrior is interviewing for the job.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 23, 2024, 05:57:55 AM
There is a rumor nolongerwarrior is interviewing for the job.
He probably thinks it's an attractive job because of the two guaranteed wins each year in conference.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 22, 2024, 03:14:26 PM
Who wants that job?
Any coach who wants to make seven figures coaching a Big East team in the nation's third-biggest media market and home of the nation's best prep basketball.
Other than that, probably not many.........................
Quote from: Avenue Commons on January 23, 2024, 10:24:07 AM
Any coach who wants to make seven figures coaching a Big East team in the nation's third-biggest media market and home of the nation's best prep basketball.
Other than that, probably not many.........................
The contract means a lot.
But in this day and age I don't think media market size and proximity to high school kids means as much as it used to. Student athletes go all over these days and every game is on television somewhere.
What matters more are financial commitments for things like facilities and NIL. It seems like De Paul is talking a good game in that regards, but we will see if they follow through. Otherwise they are just a half step up from UIC and Loyola.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2024, 10:28:11 AM
The contract means a lot.
But in this day and age I don't think media market size and proximity to high school kids means as much as it used to. Student athletes go all over these days and every game is on television somewhere.
What matters more are financial commitments for things like facilities and NIL. It seems like De Paul is talking a good game in that regards, but we will see if they follow through. Otherwise they are just a half step up from UIC and Loyola.
There will be no shortage of options for DePaul to fill the vacancy.
How good of a job it is or is not is a separate discussion. There are thousands of coaches who would take a Big East job if for no other reason than to have on coaching resume - like any other profession.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on January 23, 2024, 10:33:05 AM
There will be no shortage of options for DePaul to fill the vacancy.
How good of a job it is or is not is a separate discussion. There are thousands of coaches who would take a Big East job if for no other reason than to have on coaching resume - like any other profession.
Absolutely agree.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2024, 10:28:11 AM
But in this day and age I don't think media market size and proximity to high school kids means as much as it used to.
Media market may matter to some kids if they feel like they're actually representing a massive city. But proximity I agree that it doesn't matter at all, I mean Providence has two kids from Chicagoland (one Fenwick one Ignatious) with no contributors from RI or even Mass. we have just one kid from Milwaukee area, none from greater Wisconsin or Chicagoland. I don't know about the other big east schools but I imagine it's somewhat similar.
The idea that you have to lock down your local recruiting, I think, is outdated for the most part.
I would venture to say after NIL, the next reason kids choose a school is based on "which coach can get me to the league?" Lexington, Kentucky and Lawrence, Kansas aren't exactly massive media markets - but they do have coaches that have had dozens of student athletes go pro.
Quote from: MUbiz on January 23, 2024, 10:53:33 AM
I would venture to say after NIL, the next reason kids choose a school is based on "which coach can get me to the league?" Lexington, Kentucky and Lawrence, Kansas aren't exactly massive media markets - but they do have coaches that have had dozens of student athletes go pro.
kIdS sIgN fOr ThE sChOoL
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 23, 2024, 10:48:18 AM
Media market may matter to some kids if they feel like they're actually representing a massive city. But proximity I agree that it doesn't matter at all, I mean Providence has two kids from Chicagoland (one Fenwick one Ignatious), we have just one kid from Milwaukee area, none from greater Wisconsin or Chicagoland. I don't know about the other big east schools but I imagine it's somewhat similar.
The idea that you have to lock down your local recruiting, I think, is outdated for the most part.
Agree mostly on your entire post, but especially the bolded. Local talent can sometimes be a problem, as there can be a chorus of local people in the players camp second guessing how the coach uses the player. Sure, they can get to the player a 1,000 miles away, but in person, they may be more persuasive.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 23, 2024, 10:58:56 AM
Agree mostly on your entire post, but especially the bolded. Local talent can sometimes be a problem, as there can be a chorus of local people in the players camp second guessing how the coach uses the player. Sure, they can get to the player a 1,000 miles away, but in person, they may be more persuasive.
Or even, say, 155 miles northwest, give or take a few miles, of your campus...
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 23, 2024, 10:48:18 AM
Media market may matter to some kids if they feel like they're actually representing a massive city. But proximity I agree that it doesn't matter at all, I mean Providence has two kids from Chicagoland (one Fenwick one Ignatious) with no contributors from RI or even Mass. we have just one kid from Milwaukee area, none from greater Wisconsin or Chicagoland. I don't know about the other big east schools but I imagine it's somewhat similar.
The idea that you have to lock down your local recruiting, I think, is outdated for the most part.
That might generally be true, but not when your "local recruiting" is Chicagoland.
I can't even count how many Chicagoland kids are in the league right now let alone playing D1 hoops.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 23, 2024, 11:05:04 AM
Or even, say, 155 miles northwest, give or take a few miles, of your campus...
If only their HS English teacher hadn't kept demanding they work on their letter writing after graduation.
Is it absolute insanity to think that for the right price Porter Moser would consider? I'm sure he's got a wild buy out.
I know he's doing very well over there this year, but I wonder how much he loves it in Oklahoma and misses home?
Probably seems like a pipe dream but that would be my first call.
He would change that program around and likely be a lifer.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on January 23, 2024, 11:06:02 AM
That might generally be true, but not when your "local recruiting" is Chicagoland.
I can't even count how many Chicagoland kids are in the league right now let alone playing D1 hoops.
going to disagree, just curious why didn't you go to DePaul? If it was to get away then why would we expect these athletes to be any different?
Here's a few scenarios I see:
From violent or poor neighborhood, wants to get away from there. This is going to be a lot of the top kids coming through Simeon or Curie
From middle class neighborhood, maybe this segment would stay and rep the city. Unsure how many there are. I know NDHS had a D1 guy a bit ago, DPHS seems to be top ranked right now so maybe they'd have a couple guys. Depaul thought they opened this up with Billy Garrett, and seemingly were close with Jabari Parker and Okafor (unless it was a pity consideration).
From the suburbs, it'd be ingrained in your head that college is the era to move away like most people in the area. Probably going to look at B1G schools or the Midwest Big East schools if you dream of cities.
I'm sure there's plenty of D1 guys but let's narrow it down to high major D1 or top mid majors, then cut a reasonable percentage that you would expect didn't want to leave home and see the world. I doubt it's many.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 23, 2024, 11:14:56 AM
Is it absolute insanity to think that for the right price Porter Moser would consider? I'm sure he's got a wild buy out.
I know he's doing very well over there this year, but I wonder how much he loves it in Oklahoma and misses home?
Probably seems like a pipe dream but that would be my first call.
He would change that program around and likely be a lifer.
His buyout was $9 million, dropping to $6 million after April 1st of last year.
Someone posted I4 in jest, but honestly, why not? No buyout, he seems to have a redeemed affinity for MU which would probably reflect well on the conference and urban private school environment, and honestly his connection to D Wade could be as effective a selling point to Chicago talent as anyone else they'll get.
Quote from: MUBurrow on January 23, 2024, 12:51:50 PM
Someone posted I4 in jest, but honestly, why not? No buyout, he seems to have a redeemed affinity for MU which would probably reflect well on the conference and urban private school environment, and honestly his connection to D Wade could be as effective a selling point to Chicago talent as anyone else they'll get.
Because he was terrible at his last stop and feels like the "old, retread" that De Paul usually hires.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2024, 11:30:10 AM
His buyout was $9 million, dropping to $6 million after April 1st of last year.
Sounds like DePaul just needs their version of the Michels alums and they could be cookin with gas
Quote from: DoctorV on January 23, 2024, 12:59:04 PM
Sounds like DePaul just needs their version of the Michels alums and they could be cookin with gas
Wake up Doc. Biden says
no gas for cooking.
Article in The Athletic says Brian Wardle on DePaul's list
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 23, 2024, 01:07:48 PM
Wake up Doc. Biden says no gas for cooking.
My wife and went electric stove at the end of the last millennium. I had seen too many fires that wouldn't have happened with electric, gas leaks, and non-functioning pilot lights leading to CO issues. Wayyyyyy ahead of the curve.
Quote from: tower912 on January 23, 2024, 01:22:49 PM
My wife and went electric stove at the end of the last millennium. I had seen too many fires that wouldn't have happened with electric, gas leaks, and non-functioning pilot lights leading to CO issues. Wayyyyyy ahead of the curve.
Do gas stoves still have pilot lights?
They did in the 90s when I changed.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2024, 01:24:58 PM
Do gas stoves still have pilot lights?
Ours doesn't, but Tower's point-even if he did not have his professional experience-is valid. All it takes is one thing to go wrong and things go bad very quickly. I like gas much better for cooking but have no argument with the risks outlined. I think much of the risk can be reduced if people do not ignore the tell-tale sulfur odor just because "it's not that strong". A
hint of a gas leak is all it takes for me to track it down or call in the pros.
Dusty May. Offer $1-1.5M/Yr and pay the $400k+ buyout.
Quote from: Class71 on January 23, 2024, 02:52:30 PM
Dusty May. Offer $1-1.5M/Yr and pay the $400k+ buyout.
I have to imagine he's got his eyes on IU. Mike Woodson hasn't exactly set the world on fire relative to what IU wants to be
Quote from: Class71 on January 23, 2024, 02:52:30 PM
Dusty May. Offer $1-1.5M/Yr and pay the $400k+ buyout.
I think you gotta double that salary to get May to take the Depaul job. They were paying Purnell 2.2 a decade ago.
Wants a new coach by April 1. :o
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-depaul-dewayne-peevy-20240123-yxhw4ykn65fmraewyqhsbiqnti-story.html
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 23, 2024, 06:39:19 PM
Wants a new coach by April 1. :o
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-depaul-dewayne-peevy-20240123-yxhw4ykn65fmraewyqhsbiqnti-story.html
Then they have someone in mind and some gears have been cranking already....
Quote from: MUBurrow on January 23, 2024, 12:51:50 PM
Someone posted I4 in jest, but honestly, why not? No buyout, he seems to have a redeemed affinity for MU which would probably reflect well on the conference and urban private school environment, and honestly his connection to D Wade could be as effective a selling point to Chicago talent as anyone else they'll get.
Well, he doesn't have much to do and the Harbaugh family doesn't allow him in the sidelines, so....nah.
Take whoever loses to this year's Abilene Christian
Wojo should take the job to show Marquette it made a mistake.
Quote from: mugrack on January 23, 2024, 01:17:51 PM
Article in The Athletic says Brian Wardle on DePaul's list
That article also mentioned Rashon Burno. I know we've all had moments of pessimism about our program at one time or another, but imagine seeing a guy who is 0-6 in the MAC in his third year on the job mentioned as a candidate to be the next head coach of your Big East program.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on January 23, 2024, 10:24:07 AM
Any coach who wants to make seven figures coaching a Big East team in the nation's third-biggest media market and home of the nation's best prep basketball.
Other than that, probably not many.........................
Source?
One team in the high school top 50
https://www.usbasket.com/High-Schools/top-100.aspx?list=teams (https://www.usbasket.com/High-Schools/top-100.aspx?list=teams)
2 players in 247's Top 100
I would argue NY/NJ is a bigger hotbed of talent,
Quote from: lawdog77 on January 24, 2024, 07:50:59 AM
Source?
One team in the high school top 50
https://www.usbasket.com/High-Schools/top-100.aspx?list=teams (https://www.usbasket.com/High-Schools/top-100.aspx?list=teams)
2 players in 247's Top 100
I would argue NY/NJ is a bigger hotbed of talent,
I thought people always say the DMV area is the best for hoops
Quote from: Avenue Commons on January 23, 2024, 11:06:02 AM
That might generally be true, but not when your "local recruiting" is Chicagoland.
I can't even count how many Chicagoland kids are in the league right now let alone playing D1 hoops.
17 total from Illinois. One star and a few good players and the rest not so much
Name City State Team
Patrick Beverley Chicago Illinois Philadelphia 76ers
Robert Covington Bellwood Illinois Philadelphia 76ers
Javon Freeman-Liberty Good Hope Illinois Toronto Raptors
Jevon Carter Oak Park Illinois Chicago Bulls
Ayo Dosunmu Chicago Illinois Chicago Bulls
Max Strus Hickory Hills Illinois Cleveland Cavaliers
Jett Howard Chicago Illinois Orlando Magic
Patrick Baldwin Evanston Illinois Washington Wizards
Talen Horton-Tucker Chicago Illinois Utah Jazz
Anthony Davis Chicago Illinois Los Angeles Lakers
Max Christie Arlington Heights Illinois Los Angeles Lakers
Jordan Goodwin Centreville Illinois Phoenix Suns
Richaun Holmes Lockport Illinois Dallas Mavericks
Fred VanVleet Rockford Illinois Houston Rockets
Derrick Rose Chicago Illinois Memphis Grizzlies
John Konchar West Chicago Illinois Memphis Grizzlies
E.J. Liddell Belleville Illinois New Orleans Pelicans
New York City has 27
Quote from: lawdog77 on January 24, 2024, 07:56:37 AM
17 total from Illinois. One star and a few good players and the rest not so much
IOW, two more than from Wisconsin.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2024, 12:57:16 PM
Because he was terrible at his last stop and feels like the "old, retread" that De Paul usually hires.
Crean would have been great for DePaul at one point. His ability and interest in firing up the fan base would have been a boon for the program. That point has long passed, though.
Back to Matt Brady -
Given Marist & JMU talent, he regularly had his teams around the 150s in Torvik (182 average). I don't expect miracles to end the season, or particularly tonight. But I do expect DePaul to be playing better by the end of the year. I don't know how good his recruiting was, but I have to presume the "talent" that Stubblefield recruited is at least as good as he's coached before, and he appears to be at least a decent coach relative to Stubblefield
https://barttorvik.com/coach-history.php?coach=Matt%20Brady
Quote from: drewm88 on January 24, 2024, 09:37:53 AM
Crean would have been great for DePaul at one point. His ability and interest in firing up the fan base would have been a boon for the program. That point has long passed, though.
It does feel like Georgia was Crean's last coaching stop. I do think he would have done a lot better at DePaul in 2018 than he wound up doing at Georgia.
Has there ever been a worse team than DePaul in the New or Old BE? oooffff.
Quote from: 1SE on February 04, 2024, 07:49:19 AM
Has there ever been a worse team than DePaul in the New or Old BE? oooffff.
DePaul is currently 296th in KenPom which would easily be the worst Big East season in the KenPom era. It's possible there were worst teams prior to that but seems unlikely.
South Florida went 1-15 in conference in 2006 and was 171. West Virginia did the same in 2002 and was 192. 2007 Cincinnati was 2-14 in league and 141 in KenPom. GTown was 0-19 in '22 and was 175 in KenPom.
Sub-200 KenPom teams
2023 Georgetown 219 KenPom
2016 St. John's 211 KenPom
2009 DePaul 206 KenPom (winless in league)
2007 Rutgers 208 KenPom
2004 St. John's 200 KenPom
2001 Virginia Tech 234 KenPom
I think it's safe to say they are the on pace to be the worst team in the history of the Big East
Quote from: 1SE on February 04, 2024, 07:49:19 AM
Has there ever been a worse team than DePaul in the New or Old BE? oooffff.
Georgetown yesterday. They looked worse than ND when we played them.
1982-83 Seton Hall went 1-15 in league and 6-23 overall with a -12 per game point differential. That's probably in the discussion
1993-94 Miami went 0-18 in league and 7-20 overall with a -8 per game point differential
DePaul has a -15 per game point differential this season
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2024, 08:10:57 AM
1982-83 Seton Hall went 1-15 in league and 6-23 overall with a -12 per game point differential. That's probably in the discussion
1993-94 Miami went 0-18 in league and 7-20 overall with a -8 per game point differential
DePaul has a -15 per game point differential this season
With Georgetown as the only game they've lost by single digits (in conference). To our great ignominy we're their second closest conference loss. Fire Shaka.
As awful as DePaul is, they beat Louisville by 7. What does that say about the ACC?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 04, 2024, 10:33:40 AM
As awful as DePaul is, they beat Louisville by 7. What does that say about the ACC?
Nothing