Geez, didn't need to be this close.
That's all. Probably didn't need a whole thread for this, but channeling my inner Muggsy.
Kolek misses 2, Joplin front end miss, and Kolek front end miss. Going 0-6 from the line in crunch time. Brutal and extremely fortunate to somehow win.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 20, 2024, 03:09:59 PM
Geez, didn't need to be this close.
That's all. Probably didn't need a whole thread for this, but channeling my inner Muggsy.
Still won so it didn't matta (yo JB). MU 33% fts them 79%, who won?
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 20, 2024, 03:09:59 PM
Geez, didn't need to be this close.
That's all. Probably didn't need a whole thread for this, but channeling my inner Muggsy.
Leta hope he kids get the missing free throws down the stretch out of their system soon
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 20, 2024, 03:22:05 PM
Leta hope he kids get the missing free throws down the stretch out of their system soon
They won't, get used to it.
I'm thinking the team was exhausted at the end and it impacted the free throws.
Yes fatigue was a factor. But the pressure of the moment a factor as well. That's concerning come March.
Quote from: Judge Smails on January 20, 2024, 04:01:42 PM
Yes fatigue was a factor. But the pressure of the moment a factor as well. That's concerning come March.
Was surprised Kolek missed. Had zero confidence in Joplin making them.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 20, 2024, 04:06:44 PM
Was surprised Kolek missed. Had zero confidence in Joplin making them.
Think Tyko was gassed.
Quote from: Nukem2 on January 20, 2024, 04:09:55 PM
Think Tyko was gassed.
Agree. Down 1 with no time remaining and Kolek at the line for 2 shots, I still like our chances with that going forward. Unfortunately the only player on the team I feel that way about though.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 20, 2024, 03:35:57 PM
I'm thinking the team was exhausted at the end and it impacted the free throws.
I don't know ...a week or two ago some Scoopers were arguing that Shaka should never use the bench.
Quote from: MU82 on January 20, 2024, 04:37:05 PM
I don't know ...a week or two ago some Scoopers were arguing that Shaka should never use the bench.
Probably woulda won the game at SH if he didn't, just like he won the game at StJ.
The injuries made the decision for him.
Hopefully he gets the others a ton of run at DePaul and all home games where Marquette takes a comfortable lead
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 20, 2024, 03:35:57 PM
I'm thinking the team was exhausted at the end and it impacted the free throws.
I think mostly fatigue. They were burning energy on defense the entire game, and they were tired. You can see them in the TO huddles breathing deeply. Don't think for Kolek it was pressure. Maybe Jop but not sure even there. They were gassed. Kolek played 39 minutes
Daniel, I wish it were just that they were fatigued. These guys are in great shape. A 92% free throw shooter doesn't miss 3 in a row unless the pressure is getting to him a bit. TK has closed out games at the FT line before and he'll get other chances this season. Hopefully he can put today's FTs out of his mind and come through in the clutch next time.
Quote from: Judge Smails on January 20, 2024, 09:53:40 PM
Daniel, I wish it were just that they were fatigued. These guys are in great shape. A 92% free throw shooter doesn't miss 3 in a row unless the pressure is getting to him a bit. TK has closed out games at the FT line before and he'll get other chances this season. Hopefully he can put today's FTs out of his mind and come through in the clutch next time.
You might be right.... But he has done it before and pressure did not get to him. He might be in a funk but seemed to step out of it this game. Who knows! Only Tyler
Judge
In your opinion, TK choked?
On this occasion, yes. He has come through in the clutch in the past. And he had a very good game today besides the missed FTs at the end. But as the team leader and primary ball handler, he has to knock those down at the end of the game. Very fortunate that he missed 3 and we escaped with a W. Hope he gets the chance again to close out a game at the FT line and pulls through next time.
I know this is a FT thread and not a Kolek Thread, but I'll chime in. The labels "All American", "Best Backcourt in the Country", "Best guard in the Country", yada yada....just aren't true. We know this because of what we see on the court. He's a good player. Glad he's on MUs team, better than most. But I think those labels damaged his game because he drank the Koolaid.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 21, 2024, 07:36:45 AM
I know this is a FT thread and not a Kolek Thread, but I'll chime in. The labels "All American", "Best Backcourt in the Country", "Best guard in the Country", yada yada....just aren't true. We know this because of what we see on the court. He's a good player. Glad he's on MUs team, better than most. But I think those labels damaged his game because he drank the Koolaid.
Disagree.
He had a shooting slump. He didn't become a bum. He's averaging 14 points, 7 assists and 5 rebounds for a top-15 team (looking to tomorrow's rankings) despite almost every defense MU plays being geared to stop him from going where he likes to go on the court.
Please offer evidence that he missed those FTs yesterday or that he shot poorly from 3 for a stretch because he drank the Kool-Aid.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 21, 2024, 07:36:45 AM
I know this is a FT thread and not a Kolek Thread, but I'll chime in. The labels "All American", "Best Backcourt in the Country", "Best guard in the Country", yada yada....just aren't true. We know this because of what we see on the court. He's a good player. Glad he's on MUs team, better than most. But I think those labels damaged his game because he drank the Koolaid.
He is clearly one of the best guards in the country. His game is pretty much what it was last year. The only change being worse from distance, but he has made up for that being way better at the rim - his EFG at this point is higher than last year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 21, 2024, 07:48:22 AM
He is clearly one of the best guards in the country. His game is pretty much what it was last year. The only change being worse from distance, but he has made up for that being way better at the rim - his EFG at this point is higher than last year.
I'm waiting for someone to post that he is a cancer on this team.
Yeah this is one of those times where people are wearing rose colored glasses on what he did last year, and are disappointed when he isn't performing to THEIR expectations versus what he actually accomplished.
I have one gripe with TK, quit the whining to the refs and get back on defense. Other than that, he is the best player on a very good team and one of the best PG in the country. He has run one of the most beautiful offenses that I have ever seen at MU for 1.5 years and has made it look easy. When this offense is humming it is a true joy to watch, imo.
I was thinking last night, there definitely are a lot more fans watching the games closer, and everyone has an opinion. I do not know nearly enough to break down this team on every possession of every game, but do not enough to know that their good play is really, really good. I hope they continue to do exactly what they are doing and hopefully the shots start to fall on a more regular basis.
Pitino: 'Stockton and Malone'.
Of course the bitter will say they never won anything.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 21, 2024, 07:48:22 AM
He is clearly one of the best guards in the country. His game is pretty much what it was last year. The only change being worse from distance, but he has made up for that being way better at the rim - his EFG at this point is higher than last year.
All true. However, his eFG% is down from 54.1 total season to 42.9 in conference while his assist rate is up to an incredible 42.8 in conference.
With all that, the Big East's finest have lowered his conference free throw rate from 37.3 a year ago to 27.4. Is he pressing? Yes. But are other conference teams bully balling him? Yes, and McDermott called the BE officials out yesterday's
Teams adjusted and are purely focused on muscling him. Tyler's response is press harder which may add to his woes but it's not NIL related. His teammates need to hit shots (and they are open) and/or the MU coaches need to counter to open up the offensive efficiency to what we are used to.
A slumpbuster is up next.
Quote from: Goose on January 21, 2024, 08:21:28 AM
I have one gripe with TK, quit the whining to the refs and get back on defense. Other than that, he is the best player on a very good team and one of the best PG in the country. He has run one of the most beautiful offenses that I have ever seen at MU for 1.5 years and has made it look easy. When this offense is humming it is a true joy to watch, imo.
I was thinking last night, there definitely are a lot more fans watching the games closer, and everyone has an opinion. I do not know nearly enough to break down this team on every possession of every game, but do not enough to know that their good play is really, really good. I hope they continue to do exactly what they are doing and hopefully the shots start to fall on a more regular basis.
Agree, and you are spot on regarding bitching to the refs. Let's give SJ credit for their defense under and near the basket. How many of our shots there got blocked or tipped? And their double teaming a shooter, with one defender elevating early and the other a moment later, was brilliant.
And, despite willie's desire to judge him based on his actions in an Italian restaurant, Pitino could always flat out coach. I'm sure St. John's will be making regular tournament appearances as long as he wants to be there.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 21, 2024, 08:39:34 AM
And, despite willie's desire to judge him based on his actions in an Italian restaurant, Pitino could always flat out coach. I'm sure St. John's will be making regular tournament appearances as long as he wants to be there.
One not need look further than the SJU game when Pitino was out to this one.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2024, 08:22:51 AM
Pitino: 'Stockton and Malone'.
Of course the bitter will say they never won anything.
Although losing the championship game would be frustrating, I have a feeling most MU fans would consider an appearance in the national title game to be a successful season for our Stockton and Malone.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 21, 2024, 08:00:28 AM
Yeah this is one of those times where people are wearing rose colored glasses on what he did last year, and are disappointed when he isn't performing to THEIR expectations versus what he actually accomplished.
One other thing with Kolek, he wasn't the Big East Player of the Year at this point of last season. It was clearly Bryce Hopkins. Through the UConn game on January 15, Kolek was averaging just 9.0 ppg. He scored in single digits in 5/7 Big East games and reached double-digits in just 5 of the first 18 games. From mid-January on was when he went nuclear, scoring in double figures 19/20 games en route to the BEPOY and BETMOP. His All-American campaign was pretty much all based on what he did in the back half of the season. If he does anything close to that this year, he'll be back to BEPOY and first team AA by March, especially considering the massive improvement in assist rate he's had in conference play.
the term "choke" is a tough description. does that mean that because said person always/usually comes through, they should ALWAYS come through? or is miss at a crucial time always a "choke"? what about an unsung player missing a crucial shot? does the shot have to be from a certain range? free throw distance in, contested or uncontested?
as for tk's missed free throws-i'm wondering if he's hurt? his shooting has been off in general. is that being extended to his free throws as well? it seems he has a few more turnovers than last year. throwing the ball away, errant passes etc. not sure what's happening there. thus all the ??
BUT, choke?
the players need to see the ball go in the hole a little bit more. and so do we for that matter, but did ya'll notice no one wanted to take an outside shot in the last 10 minutes of the first half? their confidence was gone
choke is a term used for people who we expect to perform and succeed and when they don't, we need to vent-no disrespect judge, but i just thought i'd try to clarify from my pov anyway
Rick Pitino is the gold standard of coaching in my book. I am simply talking about his coaching abilities and nothing more. I would take him over every coach since I started watching basketball, with a possible exception of Bobby Knight.
For this day and age he is well better than Knight.
Sultan
For today's game, no doubt. He is a special coach.
Quote from: Goose on January 21, 2024, 09:07:40 AM
Rick Pitino is the gold standard of coaching in my book. I am simply talking about his coaching abilities and nothing more. I would take him over every coach since I started watching basketball, with a possible exception of Bobby Knight.
Agree completely if you add the "in the game today". The best combination of recruiter, motivator, game coach, etc. He had very little time to pull together this roster and they are quite good. By this time next year, I expect him to have NBA level talent and to pull them together exceptionally well.
Quote from: Goose on January 21, 2024, 09:07:40 AM
Rick Pitino is the gold standard of coaching in my book. I am simply talking about his coaching abilities and nothing more. I would take him over every coach since I started watching basketball, with a possible exception of Bobby Knight.
Wining in The Garden ,against Pitino ,on Broadcast TV and nail biter to the end is an excellent achievement .
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 21, 2024, 08:50:20 AM
One other thing with Kolek, he wasn't the Big East Player of the Year at this point of last season. It was clearly Bryce Hopkins. Through the UConn game on January 15, Kolek was averaging just 9.0 ppg. He scored in single digits in 5/7 Big East games and reached double-digits in just 5 of the first 18 games. From mid-January on was when he went nuclear, scoring in double figures 19/20 games en route to the BEPOY and BETMOP. His All-American campaign was pretty much all based on what he did in the back half of the season. If he does anything close to that this year, he'll be back to BEPOY and first team AA by March, especially considering the massive improvement in assist rate he's had in conference play.
Superb point.