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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: 4everwarriors on January 20, 2024, 10:07:22 AM
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MU at $50k...WI residents at UW at $9,600. Lotsa other factors to consider. However, fact remains that Marquette has reached rarefied air. $65k+ including r & b. I know Fluffy BM is goin' to say few pay the rack rate, many do. Would ya send ur kids to 13th and Wisconsin, hey?
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If that is where he wants to go, then yes.
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MU at $50k...WI residents at UW at $9,600. Lotsa other factors to consider. However, fact remains that Marquette has reached rarefied air. $65k+ including r & b. I know Fluffy BM is goin' to say few pay the rack rate, many do. Would ya send ur kids to 13th and Wisconsin, hey?
In a heartbeat
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MU at $50k...WI residents at UW at $9,600. Lotsa other factors to consider. However, fact remains that Marquette has reached rarefied air. $65k+ including r & b. I know Fluffy BM is goin' to say few pay the rack rate, many do. Would ya send ur kids to 13th and Wisconsin, hey?
Total cost to attend UW is $28k (in state), $57k (out of state). If your family makes over $110k per year, your average cost to attend is $26k (in state).
At MU the cost to attend (book rate) is $65k. If your family makes over $110k per year, your average cost to attend is $37k.
So in real terms, the difference is $11k per year, which for many is well worth the personalized education you get at a place like MU.
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MU at $50k...WI residents at UW at $9,600. Lotsa other factors to consider. However, fact remains that Marquette has reached rarefied air. $65k+ including r & b. I know Fluffy BM is goin' to say few pay the rack rate, many do. Would ya send ur kids to 13th and Wisconsin, hey?
I did. And he's a pretty smart dude so it was approximately the same cost as UW.
Few pay full freight, but if they want to that's great. My guess is that the average student pays less now than they did five years ago. Especially when you take inflation into consideration.
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I'm class of '97 so my classmates and I are in college app / college tuition business. MU is handing out 25K a year to A LOT of kids.
No one is paying retail.
What I have found is the school is harder to get into now than it was in the past (for Midwest kids). Based on conversations I am having, the school is in a really good place.
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Good, informative thread.
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I'm class of '97 so my classmates and I are in college app / college tuition business. MU is handing out 25K a year to A LOT of kids.
No one is paying retail.
What I have found is the school is harder to get into now than it was in the past (for Midwest kids). Based on conversations I am having, the school is in a really good place.
Great to hear, Lens
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Indeed, I have a high school junior, so I'd love to see more tuition/scholarship anecdotes about MU, UW, .. University of MN, etc, etc.
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I wish my high school junior had a germ of a plan.
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Indeed, I have a high school junior, so I'd love to see more tuition/scholarship anecdotes about MU, UW, .. University of MN, etc, etc.
Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate. Use one offer to get a better one. Unless they offer you money to do so, don’t commit early. Hold out as long as you can.
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My son (current freshman) got a $25k/year discount from MU (they call it a scholarship, I call it a discount) - per year. We would probably be above most of the income thresholds, so if they would have tried to hit anyone for "rack rate" it would have been us.
MU ended up being the most affordable of all the schools he was interested in.
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My son (current freshman) got a $25k/year discount from MU (they call it a scholarship, I call it a discount) - per year. We would probably be above most of the income thresholds, so if they would have tried to hit anyone for "rack rate" it would have been us.
MU ended up being the most affordable of all the schools he was interested in.
If one of my kids got that much of discount which they did elsewhere they may have attended MU.
Good luck to your kid at MU.
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Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate. Use one offer to get a better one. Unless they offer you money to do so, don’t commit early. Hold out as long as you can.
Curious .. is it correct to assume that you have far less (or zero) negotiating power with public schools? Think, Big Ten type schools. Maybe the answer depends on in-state/out-of-state?
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Curious .. is it correct to assume that you have far less (or zero) negotiating power with public schools? Think, Big Ten type schools. Maybe the answer depends on in-state/out-of-state?
Yeah, you are going to get very little as an in-state resident with the UW System unless it is financial aid related.
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Yeah, you are going to get very little as an in-state resident with the UW System unless it is financial aid related.
Right .. and out of state for other public schools? .. Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Colorado, etc.
Is it correct to assume that your state's public school will be the most cost effective (plus reciprocal states like UW and MN) .. then privates, who, like the above for MU, discount $25k .. then finally public out-of-state, where they aren't going to be giving out $25k-type reductions?
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Right .. and out of state for other public schools? .. Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Colorado, etc.
Is it correct to assume that your state's public school will be the most cost effective (plus reciprocal states like UW and MN) .. then privates, who, like the above for MU, discount $25k .. then finally public out-of-state, where they aren't going to be giving out $25k-type reductions?
It really depends on the state, but I honestly don't know enough to know specifically from state to state. My kids never looked at out of state publics so I don't have that experience.
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The SEC was handing out cash big time to Midwest / East coast kids. A lot of Chicago kids (and some Milwaukee) went to Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn, South Carolina for a great deal. This was all in the last 5-10 years. Now they've somewhat normalized kids from here going there so that well is drying. They've successfully made their student bodies much ore georgraphically diverse so the need to buy kids is a lot less. My friends and I joke maybe the Big 12 will recruit our kids. Imagine being able to say your son or daughter goes to UCF, BYU or Houston? How could I remain humble?
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Here in New Jersey most in state 4 year institutions, yes even Princeton, will accept community college transfers. On average annual tuition/books and fees at a county college is about 11k. Rutgers annual tuition/books/fees and R&B are about 32k. Getting a BS/BA from Rutgers would cost about 86K if completed with 2 years CC and 2 years at Rutgers.
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Regarding negotiation:
For my older son, now graduated, when he was transferring out of Fordham (sh1th0le) we attempted to negotiate with his two target schools.
U of New Mexico: discounted and threw in medical insurance
U of Arizona: eff u
So, it's worth a try even at state schools, but UNM was accommodating in every way. UofA - not at all.
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My older daughter was given a decent scholarship from the University of Cincinnati. Even subtracting it from the cost of out-of-state tuition it made the price very competitive. (It would have been the second least expensive option after her first choice.) She ended up cross-town at Xavier which felt like a much better fit for her plus offering an unbelievable scholarship.
My younger daughter ended up at the University of Vermont despite out-of-state tuition. They did give her one very large scholarship and a medium sized grant. We were ticked off when the grant disappeared Sophomore year. They said it was "needs based" and that income's changed and she didn't need it Sophomore year. As an A+ nursing major student we're not really worried about extra cost.
Neither daughter had any interest in UConn or the lesser state schools. Both said too many kids from their HS went to UConn.
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Regarding negotiation:
For my older son, now graduated, when he was transferring out of Fordham (sh1th0le) we attempted to negotiate with his two target schools.
U of New Mexico: discounted and threw in medical insurance
U of Arizona: eff u
So, it's worth a try even at state schools, but UNM was accommodating in every way. UofA - not at all.
This seems like a supply and demand issue. I feel like every kid I talk to would love to go to Arizona, and conversely I have never heard a kid bring up New Mexico.
What didn't you like about Fordham? My son (HS soph) has some interest there. Was your son at Rose Hill or Lincoln Center?
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My older daughter was given a decent scholarship from the University of Cincinnati. Even subtracting it from the cost of out-of-state tuition it made the price very competitive. (It would have been the second least expensive option after her first choice.) She ended up cross-town at Xavier which felt like a much better fit for her plus offering an unbelievable scholarship.
My younger daughter ended up at the University of Vermont despite out-of-state tuition. They did give her one very large scholarship and a medium sized grant. We were ticked off when the grant disappeared Sophomore year. They said it was "needs based" and that income's changed and she didn't need it Sophomore year. As an A+ nursing major student we're not really worried about extra cost.
Neither daughter had any interest in UConn or the lesser state schools. Both said too many kids from their HS went to UConn.
From what I've known of Xavier, they seem to be very generous.
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Regarding negotiation:
For my older son, now graduated, when he was transferring out of Fordham (sh1th0le) we attempted to negotiate with his two target schools.
U of New Mexico: discounted and threw in medical insurance
U of Arizona: eff u
So, it's worth a try even at state schools, but UNM was accommodating in every way. UofA - not at all.
Thats a wild move. Private city school in major East Coast city to state schools in the literal desert Southwest?
This seems like a supply and demand issue. I feel like every kid I talk to would love to go to Arizona, and conversely I have never heard a kid bring up New Mexico.
What didn't you like about Fordham? My son (HS soph) has some interest there. Was your son at Rose Hill or Lincoln Center?
I've heard some not great stuff about Fordham lately, including from a pair of Fordham alums from the 90s/early 2000s who wouldn't encourage their kids to go there. Rose Hill Campus isn't bad, but its dated and the area surrounding isn't doing great. I think its suffering a bit the opposite of Marquette which is doing a great job revitalizing the campus. I think Fordham's focus has been more on the Lincoln Center campus to the detriment of the core campus.
Also, for complaints about the surrounding area for Marquette, you're super close to downtown, Water Street, Third Ward, etc... Fordham is on an island 60 blocks north of Manhattan/40 blocks north of another campus like Columbia (which is more situated to Manhattan like Marquette/downtown IMO) and a decent hike to get out of the Bronx. Its not some pearl clutching city scare, its just reality.
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My impression is that Marquette has really upped their scholarships over the last few years. I hope they can continue in this direction.
Son was offered 30k off at MU. Very good 4.0+ student and went to a top high school. Case offered about the same but was still way way more expensive. Same with a few other more ‘“prestigious” colleges - more expensive. Xavier over 30k etc. Got scholarship offers above his friends due to grades and high school activities etc.
Makes these schools very competitive with Madison and similar state schools.
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My impression is that Marquette has really upped their scholarships over the last few years. I hope they can continue in this direction.
That's good for Marquette...as long as they are meeting their net tuition budget goals. It's a real competitive environment out there and a lot of schools are dipping below that figure to get volume.
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The SEC was handing out cash big time to Midwest / East coast kids. A lot of Chicago kids (and some Milwaukee) went to Alabama, Tennessee, Auburn, South Carolina for a great deal. This was all in the last 5-10 years. Now they've somewhat normalized kids from here going there so that well is drying. They've successfully made their student bodies much ore georgraphically diverse so the need to buy kids is a lot less. My friends and I joke maybe the Big 12 will recruit our kids. Imagine being able to say your son or daughter goes to UCF, BYU or Houston? How could I remain humble?
Here's the deal. First, you take bright young men and women from upper middle class suburbs and offer them free or substantially reduced rides to much improved state universities. Second, you ensure your campus is in a college town with a campus that's beautiful and attractive surroundings. Third, the student falls in love with the region. Finally, the student elects to stay, marries a native and improves the skills and abilities of those living in the state.
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Here's the deal. First, you take bright young men and women from upper middle class suburbs and offer them free or substantially reduced rides to much improved state universities. Second, you ensure your campus is in a college town with a campus that's beautiful and attractive surroundings. Third, the student falls in love with the region. Finally, the student elects to stay, marries a native and improves the skills and abilities of those living in the state.
That was/is OSU's model for trying to put a fence around Ohio. When I entered college in the early 2000s, OSU was the safety school for most of my friends from Ohio and their other intelligent peers from nicer suburbs. In the mid to late 2000s, the state started pouring scholarship money to do exactly what you mention. If you were a National Merit semi-finalist or some other similar higher achievement, chances are you'd get a full ride or pretty close. By the early 2010s, it was no longer a safety school and became a target/a lot of people that had it as a safety when I mentioned could no longer get in easily.
I dated an OSU alum who graduated in 2013. Her final 4 schools were Kenyon, OSU, Case, and U of I. Hardly a collection of safety schools and OSU's big financial aid package was the key driver in her going there.
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Thats a wild move. Private city school in major East Coast city to state schools in the literal desert Southwest?
I've heard some not great stuff about Fordham lately, including from a pair of Fordham alums from the 90s/early 2000s who wouldn't encourage their kids to go there. Rose Hill Campus isn't bad, but its dated and the area surrounding isn't doing great. I think its suffering a bit the opposite of Marquette which is doing a great job revitalizing the campus. I think Fordham's focus has been more on the Lincoln Center campus to the detriment of the core campus.
Also, for complaints about the surrounding area for Marquette, you're super close to downtown, Water Street, Third Ward, etc... Fordham is on an island 60 blocks north of Manhattan/40 blocks north of another campus like Columbia (which is more situated to Manhattan like Marquette/downtown IMO) and a decent hike to get out of the Bronx. Its not some pearl clutching city scare, its just reality.
Fordham's Rose Hill campus is beautiful but it's a fortress from a security standpoint and the surrounding area has always been one of NYC's most blighted ghettos. I wouldn't say the surrounding area has gotten worse. It just hasn't gotten better and has been more or less the same for 40 years. I live about 40 min away and go to little Italy in the Bronx (NYC's real little Italy) all the time which is right across from campus on the other side of Fordham Road and my old man is a Fordham alum. The Rose Hill campus has double the number of students (6K vs 3K undergrads) and is much more of a traditional college experience than going to the Lincoln Center campus which is really just a building or two. Going to FULC is like going to NYU which is about as far from a traditional college experience as it gets. Plus it's a pain to get to Manhattan from Rose Hill and the ram van takes at least half hour in no traffic.
Totally agree that MU has the best of both worlds in that it's basically in downtown MKE (or just adjacent to it) but still has an interior campus that looks like a college campus (Like Columbia) but once you cross the bridge over I-94 you're downtown. My son is a Jr. in high school and we're just starting to take tours. We looked at Drexel and St. Joseph's in Phila last weekend and he didn't like Drexel at all because it has no campus feel whatsoever and is just a collection of high rises.
Taking him out to see MU and some other midwest schools over the summer.
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Fordham's Rose Hill campus is beautiful but it's a fortress from a security standpoint and the surrounding area has always been one of NYC's most blighted ghettos. I wouldn't say the surrounding area has gotten worse. It just hasn't gotten better and has been more or less the same for 40 years. I live about 40 min away and go to little Italy in the Bronx (NYC's real little Italy) all the time which is right across from campus on the other side of Fordham Road and my old man is a Fordham alum. The Rose Hill campus has double the number of students (6K vs 3K undergrads) and is much more of a traditional college experience than going to the Lincoln Center campus which is really just a building or two. Going to FULC is like going to NYU which is about as far from a traditional college experience as it gets. Plus it's a pain to get to Manhattan from Rose Hill and the ram van takes at least half hour in no traffic.
Totally agree that MU has the best of both worlds in that it's basically in downtown MKE (or just adjacent to it) but still has an interior campus that looks like a college campus (Like Columbia) but once you cross the bridge over I-94 you're downtown. My son is a Jr. in high school and we're just starting to take tours. We looked at Drexel and St. Joseph's in Phila last weekend and he didn't like Drexel at all because it has no campus feel whatsoever and is just a collection of high rises.
Taking him out to see MU and some other midwest schools over the summer.
Neighborhood around Fordham will never change as you point out. School has a good enough reputation to fill out a class every year , with kids who want easy access on Metro North to Grand Central. Many go home to Westchester and CT on weekends.