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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: HowardsWorld on January 16, 2024, 06:53:19 AM
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I was thinking about Buzz the other day while watching them beat Kentucky. I had to do some research into his stats since leaving Marquette in 2014 but in 10 seasons that he left to go to Virginia Tech and then Texas A&M he only has 3 NCAA tournament appearances and 0 NCAA tournament wins. My question is after being to the sweet 16 three straight years including in Elite 8 in his final 3 seasons at Marquette, why did his success not translate. Yes, his final year they were bad but he was checked out at this point. I remember the junk yard dog mentality where no one in the country would out hustle them. Its very odd to have a coach with that success especially in the old big east not translate to at minimum a second round tournament game.
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I was thinking about Buzz the other day while watching them beat Kentucky. I had to do some research into his stats since leaving Marquette in 2014 but in 10 seasons that he left to go to Virginia Tech and then Texas A&M he only has 3 NCAA tournament appearances and 0 NCAA tournament wins. My question is after being to the sweet 16 three straight years including in Elite 8 in his final 3 seasons at Marquette, why did his success not translate. Yes, his final year they were bad but he was checked out at this point. I remember the junk yard dog mentality where no one in the country would out hustle them. Its very odd to have a coach with that success especially in the old big east not translate to at minimum a second round tournament game.
Once your happy is messed, it takes awhile to unmess it.
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I was thinking about Buzz the other day while watching them beat Kentucky. I had to do some research into his stats since leaving Marquette in 2014 but in 10 seasons that he left to go to Virginia Tech and then Texas A&M he only has 3 NCAA tournament appearances and 0 NCAA tournament wins. My question is after being to the sweet 16 three straight years including in Elite 8 in his final 3 seasons at Marquette, why did his success not translate. Yes, his final year they were bad but he was checked out at this point. I remember the junk yard dog mentality where no one in the country would out hustle them. Its very odd to have a coach with that success especially in the old big east not translate to at minimum a second round tournament game.
Check your facts.
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Yes you are right I missed when they made the Sweet 16 in 2019 my bad. Even still imo he didnt translate.
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Yes you are right I missed when they made the Sweet 16 in 2019 my bad. Even still imo he didnt translate.
Virginia Tech was the DePaul of the ACC when he took over. Imagine DePaul making the tournament much less the sweet 16 at any point in your lifetime. What would you say about the coach that accomplished that?
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I haven't checked But did you factor in early building years vs later years in any given program. Still not equal to MU but maybe not.so harsh.
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Shaka's NCAA record since the #donedeal: 1-6
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Buzz stepped into a great situation at Marquette. He stepped into ... well ya know ... at Va Tech. Of course, that was his choice. He's done nothing of consequence yet at Texas A&M - unless one counts whining about not making the tourney something of consequence - but it's early.
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Virginia Tech was the DePaul of the ACC when he took over. Imagine DePaul making the tournament much less the sweet 16 at any point in your lifetime. What would you say about the coach that accomplished that?
no they werent Seth Greenberg won 20 games multiple times. they were terrible but miles ahead of depaul
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Yeah he went from Marquette to Virginia Tech and then to Texas A&M. Not exactly similar when it comes to history, tradition and quality of basketball programs.
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Buzz is a good basketball coach (as we saw) but is an elite quote (as we also saw). When he has the team, he can do some damage, but I don't think his coaching game matches is quoting game. However, because of the latter, he will always be held in high regard nationally because whether his teams are good or bad, he's always interesting.
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He sucks
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Just another ex that I wish all the best for and rarely give another thought to until they are brought up.
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He sucks
He can be both, hey?
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Just another ex that I wish all the best for and rarely give another thought to until they are brought up.
Replicating his success would help with that, as good as last year was we've only had 1.75 truly good years since buzz's second to last year (2023 and 2019) but neither one extended to the ncaa tournament.
Also seeing a Big East team, ideally us, destroy his aggies after he crapped all over the conference on the way out would help validate that he was wrong in a very public way. I'd love to see a post game where he's asked about his post MU comments regarding the likelihood of big east success in the future.
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His career tanked after he tried to grow hair.
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Replicating his success would help with that, as good as last year was we've only had 1.75 truly good years since buzz's second to last year (2023 and 2019) but neither one extended to the ncaa tournament.
Also seeing a Big East team, ideally us, destroy his aggies after he crapped all over the conference on the way out would help validate that he was wrong in a very public way. I'd love to see a post game where he's asked about his post MU comments regarding the likelihood of big east success in the future.
Nice to know that I am not the only one hoping for this. Good coach, but he did not need to crap on the conference on his way out the door. I really hope we get the chance to say hi to Buzz in the way you sketched out.
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Nobody is going to ask about that because it was a long time ago and really a niche topic that really only Marquette fans care about any longer. Everyone has pretty much moved on.
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Nobody is going to ask about that because it was a long time ago and really a niche topic that really only Marquette fans care about any longer. Everyone has pretty much moved on.
I've seen it referenced on other schools message boards. Specifically Nova after their first NBE championship
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A lot of things are talked about on message boards. Nova's first NBE championship was eight years ago - an eternity. Can you imagine a media member asking "When you left Marquette a decade ago, you expressed concerns about the viability of the Big East Conference. Now that you lost to Creighton, can you share what you think of the conference now?"
Cmon... Just not going to happen. His comments had no bearing on the conference whatsoever.
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I was thinking about Buzz the other day while watching them beat Kentucky. I had to do some research into his stats since leaving Marquette in 2014 but in 10 seasons that he left to go to Virginia Tech and then Texas A&M he only has 3 NCAA tournament appearances and 0 NCAA tournament wins. My question is after being to the sweet 16 three straight years including in Elite 8 in his final 3 seasons at Marquette, why did his success not translate. Yes, his final year they were bad but he was checked out at this point. I remember the junk yard dog mentality where no one in the country would out hustle them. Its very odd to have a coach with that success especially in the old big east not translate to at minimum a second round tournament game.
I like Buzz. Thought he did a great job here. He won a lot of games. I’m too lazy to look it up, but I thought Buzz had a decent run at VaT one year? Regardless, I wish it ended better for him at Marquette.
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Nobody is going to ask about that because it was a long time ago and really a niche topic that really only Marquette fans care about any longer. Everyone has pretty much moved on.
Well, it would depend on what round MU meets TAMU in the NCAAT. For example, the day between the S16 round and the E8 round, there usually are all kinds of bizarre questions asked at press conferences because there are only two teams left at the site, interview sessions are longer, and reporters are looking for different angles. It wouldn't be the most out-of-left-field or stoopidest question asked of Buzz that day, that's for sure.
I also could see someone doing a long feature on Buzz and who gets to interview him for an hour or more maybe bringing it up as they talk about his coaching history.
But as part of a routine post-game interview session, no, it wouldn't come up.
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A lot of things are talked about on message boards. Nova's first NBE championship was eight years ago - an eternity. Can you imagine a media member asking "When you left Marquette a decade ago, you expressed concerns about the viability of the Big East Conference. Now that you lost to Creighton, can you share what you think of the conference now?"
Cmon... Just not going to happen. His comments had no bearing on the conference whatsoever.
I am sure most, if not all, Marquette Nation would consider a National Championship that we won just 8 years ago not an eternity. We still, and rightfully so, pride ourselves on our 77 Championship year which for me seems like yesterday but is nearly 50 years ago. Now that is an eternity.
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I am sure most, if not all, Marquette Nation would consider a National Championship that we won just 8 years ago not an eternity. We still, and rightfully so, pride ourselves on our 77 Championship year which for me seems like yesterday but is nearly 50 years ago. Now that is an eternity.
You are completely ignoring the circumstances I am talking about, but sure.
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A lot of things are talked about on message boards. Nova's first NBE championship was eight years ago - an eternity. Can you imagine a media member asking "When you left Marquette a decade ago, you expressed concerns about the viability of the Big East Conference. Now that you lost to Creighton, can you share what you think of the conference now?"
Cmon... Just not going to happen. His comments had no bearing on the conference whatsoever.
So it's "a niche topic nobody cares about except Marquette fans" except for when it isn't on other message boards? Say what you want about what may or may not happen during a press conference, I'd personally love that question as it holds accountability to an a$shole that said sure it probably won't happen. But the fact is your statement about it being a niche topic only relevant to MU fans isn't true as it pissed off 9 other basketball schools as well (well 8, I'll grant you depaul probably didn't notice) arguably more because the phrasing was just aimed at Big East but small to medium basketball only schools so you could easily lump in Gonzaga, St Mary's, Wichita St, Loyola etc as people who probably were a little peeved.
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It's a niche topic NOW. You think people on other message boards care about what Buzz Williams said a decade ago?
Not to mention that message boards are filled with wierdo, obsessed fans and really representative of a team's fanbase.
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His career tanked after he tried to grow hair.
I do appreciate that he's going with the Civil War general look with that new facial hair he's sporting.
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It's a niche topic NOW. You think people on other message boards care about what Buzz Williams said a decade ago?
Not to mention that message boards are filled with wierdo, obsessed fans and really representative of a team's fanbase.
I'm quite confident that if i created an account, put the quote on the various boards and did a poll saying "did this piss you off?" That the vast majority would tick yes.
Add as many qualifiers as you want it still extends past just Marquette fans like you said.
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I'm quite confident that if i created an account, put the quote on the various boards and did a poll saying "did this piss you off?" That the vast majority would tick yes.
Add as many qualifiers as you want it still extends past just Marquette fans like you said.
I'm just as confident that the vast majority haven't thought about that quote since they read it a decade ago.
Buzz shat on MU and the Big East on his way out the door, and that will never be OK. But I very much doubt many Xavier or Providence fans are sitting around stewing over it today.
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I'm quite confident that if i created an account, put the quote on the various boards and did a poll saying "did this piss you off?" That the vast majority would tick yes.
Do that and report back....or continue being an over-pedantic dickhead here. I don't care either way.
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Do that and report back....or continue being an over-pedantic dickhead here. I don't care either way.
Isn't that your thing on here most days? I mean starting from your response from my post. Just seems like you don't like when it's done back.
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Virginia Tech was the DePaul of the ACC when he took over. Imagine DePaul making the tournament much less the sweet 16 at any point in your lifetime. What would you say about the coach that accomplished that?
These are two very different circumstances.
DePaul has made the Final Four in my lifetime and was competitive for several years thereafter. Plus, DePaul is in a basketball talent hotbed in Chicago and patching up differences with CPL could make DePaul a competitive team fairly quickly. That, and NIL/Transfer Portal could be quite appealing if managed correctly.
Virginia Tech was the pond scum of the ACC. Blacksburg's talent pool and appeal is limited, especially compared to Chicago. As much as I dislike the Hillbilly for the comments he made on the way out, he bought into an incredibly tough task at Virginia Tech and actually did well there.
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Isn't that your thing on here most days? I mean starting from your response from my post. Just seems like you don't like when it's done back.
Sorry you can neither take criticism or understand nuance. I'll keep that in mind next time I respond to do.
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Sorry you can neither take criticism or understand nuance. I'll keep that in mind next time I respond to do.
Thank you and likewise :-*
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These are two very different circumstances.
DePaul has made the Final Four in my lifetime and was competitive for several years thereafter. Plus, DePaul is in a basketball talent hotbed in Chicago and patching up differences with CPL could make DePaul a competitive team fairly quickly. That, and NIL/Transfer Portal could be quite appealing if managed correctly.
Virginia Tech was the pond scum of the ACC. Blacksburg's talent pool and appeal is limited, especially compared to Chicago. As much as I dislike the Hillbilly for the comments he made on the way out, he bought into an incredibly tough task at Virginia Tech and actually did well there.
I would have agree with this general sentiment 15-20 years ago, but DePaul is so far away from being competitive and I don't think its a quick fix. They haven't been competitive in not only most of the current player's lifetimes, but their parent's lifetimes as well. And just because they are local doesn't mean that CPL players actually want to go there.
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Virginia Tech was the DePaul of the ACC when he took over. Imagine DePaul making the tournament much less the sweet 16 at any point in your lifetime. What would you say about the coach that accomplished that?
That's not really true. They had four 20+ win seasons under Seth Greenberg between 2007 and 2012, but, except for one year, lived in perpetual "last four out" territory. Over Greenberg's last six seasons, VaTech finished 3rd, 4th, 7th, 3rd, 4th and 9th in the ACC.
Comparatively, DePaul has had three 20+ wins seasons in this millennium.
Buzz improved on what Greenberg did, but VaTech was not at all comparable to DePaul when he took over.
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Coaches don't leave MU and have more success...
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Virginia Tech was the DePaul of the ACC when he took over. Imagine DePaul making the tournament much less the sweet 16 at any point in your lifetime. What would you say about the coach that accomplished that?
Imagine DePaul having the success VA Tech had under Seth Greenberg..
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Answer: MARQUETTE!
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Virginia Tech, Texas A&M, Tennessee, Northwestern, Indiana, Georgia, Marquette.
One of these things is not like the others. And it ain’t even I4.
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A&M's AD is about to accept the same position at Ohio State.
Do we want to bet that Buzz has a unique opt-out clause that drops his buyout to $0?
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A&M's AD is about to accept the same position at Ohio State.
Do we want to bet that Buzz has a unique opt-out clause that drops his buyout to $0?
Are you suggesting Ohio State would hire him? Why?
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Buzz sucks
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Are you suggesting Ohio State would hire him? Why?
Because Holtmann kinda sucks. Buckeye fans don't care about baseball...but January swoons are not winning him any fans.
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Are you suggesting Ohio State would hire him? Why?
No, I'm simply suggesting a repetition in history. Buzz had a unique clause at MU that dropped his buyout to zero if there were certain changes at the admin level. If he did the same thing with A&M, he could hypothetically jump to another job after the season for minimal, if any, financial penalty to him or a new school.
He left Tech after 5 seasons. This will be his 5th season at A&M.
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His career tanked after he tried to grow hair.
Same think happened to Urlacher.
Coincidence? I think not.
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Because Holtmann kinda sucks. Buckeye fans don't care about baseball...but January swoons are not winning him any fans.
I'm not saying Holtmann is safe.
I'm saying tOSU would likely aim higher than a guy who's delivered more binders than tournament wins at Texas A&M.
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Coaches don't leave MU and have more success...
Except for Rick Majerus.
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No, I'm simply suggesting a repetition in history. Buzz had a unique clause at MU that dropped his buyout to zero if there were certain changes at the admin level. If he did the same thing with A&M, he could hypothetically jump to another job after the season for minimal, if any, financial penalty to him or a new school.
He left Tech after 5 seasons. This will be his 5th season at A&M.
I could certainly see Buzz leaving, though I'm not sure where he would go. He's not getting Texas right now, maybe Baylor if it were to open up (Scott Drew to IU?) or TCU, but I can't see Dixon leaving. He grew up just outside Dallas/Fort Worth, so maybe getting closer to there (he's about 3 hours away in College Station).
I don't know what his motivation is to leave right now. While I do think he has some restless soul to him, I'm not sure there's a job out there that calls to him closer in terms of quality he could get or proximity to home (which is what always seemed to be his goal).
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I could certainly see Buzz leaving, though I'm not sure where he would go. He's not getting Texas right now, maybe Baylor if it were to open up (Scott Drew to IU?) or TCU, but I can't see Dixon leaving. He grew up just outside Dallas/Fort Worth, so maybe getting closer to there (he's about 3 hours away in College Station).
I don't know what his motivation is to leave right now. While I do think he has some restless soul to him, I'm not sure there's a job out there that calls to him closer in terms of quality he could get or proximity to home (which is what always seemed to be his goal).
I kind of agree but TA&M feels right for him if he can't get Texas. Good money, in Texas, major conference and I doubt the 8 Aggie basketball fans would call for his head ever.
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no they werent Seth Greenberg won 20 games multiple times. they were terrible but miles ahead of depaul
They were coming off a 2-16 conference season preceded by a 4-14 conference season under James Johnson when Buzz took over. Greenberg's last season was a 4-12 conference season. 19% conference winning percentage in the 3 year lead up to Buzz's tenure.
They had 1 tournament appearance and won one tournament game in the 18 years prior to Buzz.
No one is as embarrassing to their conference as DePaul obviously, but VA Tech was pretty damn close when Buzz went there.
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They were coming off a 2-16 conference season preceded by a 4-14 conference season under James Johnson when Buzz took over. Greenberg's last season was a 4-12 conference season. 19% conference winning percentage in the 3 year lead up to Buzz's tenure.
They had 1 tournament appearance and won one tournament game in the 18 years prior to Buzz.
No one is as embarrassing to their conference as DePaul obviously, but VA Tech was pretty damn close when Buzz went there.
You're taking a three-year run of futility by VaTech and saying it's pretty much the same as two decades of futility at DePaul?
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The thread question should be "Who's flushing now?"
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Except for Rick Majerus.
Tex Winter
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You're taking a three-year run of futility by VaTech and saying it's pretty much the same as two decades of futility at DePaul?
Three years in a row in the conference basement on the ass end of 1 tournament appearance in 18 years prior. Who else was the DePaul of the ACC at that point in time? Are you saying VT was in a good spot when he got there?
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I could certainly see Buzz leaving, though I'm not sure where he would go. He's not getting Texas right now, maybe Baylor if it were to open up (Scott Drew to IU?) or TCU, but I can't see Dixon leaving. He grew up just outside Dallas/Fort Worth, so maybe getting closer to there (he's about 3 hours away in College Station).
I don't know what his motivation is to leave right now. While I do think he has some restless soul to him, I'm not sure there's a job out there that calls to him closer in terms of quality he could get or proximity to home (which is what always seemed to be his goal).
In addition, he is paid $4.2 million a year. I don't see where he would be able to come close to that right now. Unless he has a big run in the tournament this year.
But also Bjork was not the athletic director who hired Buzz. Scott Woodward, who is now at LSU, was the one who hired him. (He left just weeks after hiring him though.)
In the end, I just don't know where he goes to get a better deal even if he doesn't care about leaving Texas.
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In addition, he is paid $4.2 million a year. I don't see where he would be able to come close to that right now. Unless he has a big run in the tournament this year.
But also Bjork was not the athletic director who hired Buzz. Scott Woodward, who is now at LSU, was the one who hired him. (He left just weeks after hiring him though.)
In the end, I just don't know where he goes to get a better deal even if he doesn't care about leaving Texas.
Whenever the Buzz Bunch posts kick-up, we'll know he is on the move.
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Whenever the Buzz Bunch posts kick-up, we'll know he is on the move.
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Who else was the DePaul of the ACC at that point in time?
There wasn't one. Why are you insisting that there needs to be a "DePaul of the ACC"?
Are you saying VT was in a good spot when he got there?
No, I'm saying they weren't at all comparable to DePaul.
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But also Bjork was not the athletic director…
In the end, I just don't know where he goes to get a better deal even if he doesn't care about leaving Texas.
Chalk it up to HUMAN BEHAVIOR.
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There wasn't one. Why are you insisting that there needs to be a "DePaul of the ACC"?
Dawg, u seem to be hung up here on minor semantics. It's a way of saying they were the worst team in their conference for several years running. Down bad. I realize DePaul is in a league of their own when it comes to patheticism.
No, I'm saying they weren't at all comparable to DePaul.
Yeah good point. Their one tournament appearance in the 18 years prior to Buzz taking over was actually 1 less than DePaul's *two* over the same time frame lol
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Va Tech had a couple bad years prior to Buzz arriving. Two under Johnson, and I suppose one under Greenberg (though they were still top-100 and a 16-17 overall record isn't terrible). But here's the 8 years before Buzz got there:
- 4/8 - Winning ACC Record
- 5/8 - Winning overall record
- 6/8 - Top-100 per kenpom
If anyone was the DePaul of the ACC, it was probably Boston College or maybe Georgia Tech. But yeah...there really wasn't a DePaul of the ACC. Silly hill to die on. Especially because you're making it now, when DePaul is 20 years removed from their last tourney appearance.
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I was thinking about Buzz the other day while watching them beat Kentucky. I had to do some research into his stats since leaving Marquette in 2014 but in 10 seasons that he left to go to Virginia Tech and then Texas A&M he only has 3 NCAA tournament appearances and 0 NCAA tournament wins. My question is after being to the sweet 16 three straight years including in Elite 8 in his final 3 seasons at Marquette, why did his success not translate. Yes, his final year they were bad but he was checked out at this point. I remember the junk yard dog mentality where no one in the country would out hustle them. Its very odd to have a coach with that success especially in the old big east not translate to at minimum a second round tournament game.
Only reason I can think of is that Scoopers pushed Buzz to excel at Marquette.
Buzz realized failure was not an option with Scoopers.
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I was thinking about Buzz the other day while watching them beat Kentucky. I had to do some research into his stats since leaving Marquette in 2014 but in 10 seasons that he left to go to Virginia Tech and then Texas A&M he only has 3 NCAA tournament appearances and 0 NCAA tournament wins. My question is after being to the sweet 16 three straight years including in Elite 8 in his final 3 seasons at Marquette, why did his success not translate. Yes, his final year they were bad but he was checked out at this point. I remember the junk yard dog mentality where no one in the country would out hustle them. Its very odd to have a coach with that success especially in the old big east not translate to at minimum a second round tournament game.
He finished 17-15 with several close losses. I wonder how many games Shaka would win with a backcourt of Derrick Wilson and Thomas?
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Only reason I can think of is that Scoopers pushed Buzz to excel at Marquette.
Buzz realized failure was not an option with Scoopers.
At MUScoop we "WIN Everyday!" :o
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He finished 17-15 with several close losses. I wonder how many games Shaka would win with a backcourt of Derrick Wilson and Thomas?
If only Buzz had any influence over his backcourt options.
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Except for Rick Majerus.
Very true. I loved Rick as a coach and announcer...but he started at MU the year I was bornm...and I'm 40.
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If only Buzz had any influence over his backcourt options.
Yep, that's always been a dopey defense of Buzz.
His next stop is obvious, though:
Marquette, after Shaka's contract gets bought out. I can just hear Buzz now ...
"I'm thrilled to be back in the Big East. I just knew it was gonna thrive after all the changes."
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Apparently Buzz’s current team shoots it even worse than we do from 3…….
https://twitter.com/jbrbracketology/status/1747452220805722350?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
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Apparently Buzz’s current team shoots it even worse than we do from 3…….
https://twitter.com/jbrbracketology/status/1747452220805722350?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Eh, they hit a 3 pointer to take the lead over winless in conference Arkansas with 7 second left….to lose it at the buzzer to drop to 1-3 in the SEC.
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I could certainly see Buzz leaving, though I'm not sure where he would go. He's not getting Texas right now, maybe Baylor if it were to open up (Scott Drew to IU?) or TCU, or kentucky? but I can't see Dixon leaving. He grew up just outside Dallas/Fort Worth, so maybe getting closer to there (he's about 3 hours away in College Station).
I don't know what his motivation is to leave right now. While I do think he has some restless soul to him, I'm not sure there's a job out there that calls to him closer in terms of quality he could get or proximity to home (which is what always seemed to be his goal).
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Why on earth would Kentucky hire Buzz? This isn't 2014. Four NCAA appearances and two NCAA wins in the past decade isn't enough to get him that job. They would aim higher than that.
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Why on earth would Kentucky hire Buzz? This isn't 2014. Four NCAA appearances and two NCAA wins in the past decade isn't enough to get him that job. They would aim higher than that.
Eric Musselman would likely be their first call. Although I wonder how attractive Dan Hurley would be depending how the near future plays out.
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Eric Musselman would likely be their first call. Although I wonder how attractive Dan Hurley would be depending how the near future plays out.
Dont see Hurley leaving the northeast.
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Admins at his schools must be effin everything up like they did to him at MU
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Buzz did an excellent job at MU. Was our second best coach after Al ( Hopefully Shaka will move him to third). Unfortunately Larry Williams shat on his Happy). Buzz was a student coaching compensation and say a coach had to leave while stick was still high. So he left and shat on Big East on the way out .
Buzz did an excellent job building the program for The Hokies. He converted that into Big Dollars with the Aggies.
Buzz is doing a solid job with TAMU. Low probability he leaves College Station unless forced out. He's making top dollar and unlikely to make that kind of coin any place else. It would take several excellent seasons in a row with deep tourney runs for Buzz to be considered a hot commodity on the coaching carousel.
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Depending on how long Cal sticks around, there are tons of coaches that would be ahead of Buzz on their list of replacements.
Scott Drew, Chris Beard, Mark Pope, Nate Oates, Dan Hurley, Eric Musselman for sure. Heck, Shaka would be called before Buzz would be. If this were Cal's last year, Kelvin Sampson and Mark Few get that call. Is Arizona a better job, or does Tommy Lloyd think about it?
Buzz wouldn't even be on Kentucky's radar. They probably give it to Bruiser Flint or some former Kentucky player if so many people have turned it down that they're thinkin about Buzz Williams.
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Buzz did an excellent job at MU. Was our second best coach after Al ( Hopefully Shaka will move him to third). Unfortunately Larry Williams shat on his Happy). Buzz was a student coaching compensation and say a coach had to leave while stick was still high. So he left and shat on Big East on the way out .
Buzz did an excellent job building the program for The Hokies. He converted that into Big Dollars with the Aggies.
Buzz is doing a solid job with TAMU. Low probability he leaves College Station unless forced out. He's making top dollar and unlikely to make that kind of coin any place else. It would take several excellent seasons in a row with deep tourney runs for Buzz to be considered a hot commodity on the coaching carousel.
He sucks
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ND sucks
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Would be pretty ironic if the ACC that Buzz ran to collapses before the Big East.