How would you experts attack the sag and physicality we will see from numerous teams in the BEast? I think there are times where we over drbble and play too fast and impatiently in the h-court. I understand wanting to play with a fast tempo but I believe this team should be able to get quality shots vs any of our opponents. My take is we should move Oso around more. It doesn't always have to be a high pick & roll or a straight low post catch. Anyway, where do you see our best options/areas to score vs this particular defense? Because I'm pretty sure we'll see it fairly often.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 23, 2023, 07:30:13 AM
How would you experts attack the sag and physicality we will see from numerous teams in the BEast? I think there are times where we over drbble and play too fast and impatiently in the h-court. I understand wanting to play with a fast tempo but I believe this team should be able to get quality shots vs any of our opponents. My take is we should move Oso around more. It doesn't always have to be a high pick & roll or a straight low post catch. Anyway, where do you see our best options/areas to score vs this particular defense? Because I'm pretty sure we'll see it fairly often.
More dunks
Shoot better from 3.
Quote from: tower912 on December 23, 2023, 07:43:43 AM
Shoot better from 3.
We shoot rhythm c&s threes fairly well but off the dribble or the walk-up trifectas we're not very good. Too much hesitation?
I saw what appeared to be a designed play call by Shaka yesterday where Tyler flashes to the FT line and gets the pass.
Looked like a good play, not sure if it was against a zone or not.
He missed the shot, but wrinkles like that will probably be necessary against elite defensive teams that pack it in.
I think Marquette did that a bit last year against the zone too.
The obvious answer is make some shots, the problem becomes what if they aren't falling?
I like the moving Oso idea around. I know that SJ22 has his detractors but I've always liked him against elite defensive teams that are very organized and pack it in- his quickness and ability to get into the pockets and break a team down really offers a different look.
Either way, the staff will have to continue to get creative.
One other thing I've noticed is that the spacing hasn't been great of late. In the Illinois and Kansas games Marquette seemed to be spaced a ton on offense- the court looked huge.
Lately, there is a lot of dribbling in tight spaces around and inside the 3P line amongst big crowds- recipe for failure.
It's harder to space out teams that like to pack it in, but they should really try to get back to spreading the court out and attacking from one side with TyKo/Oso two man game type stuff.
Make the three ball and games change quickly. I have said for a couple of years that I believe this program will be a D led team moving forward and starting to see it. Transition points and made three pointers change's game plan in short order.
Dr. V, it was against a zone. What was really fun is that it was the first possession against the zone, it was identified, and they went into that action quickly and seamlessly.
As of late, I agree that there is too much dribbling and not enough of the snappy quick passing and moving the ball around for open looks. We are getting open looks, nonetheless and missed a lot of them. Not seeing as much back door flashes either. Had a beautiful Alli-oop to Oso last evening. Need more back door cuts and that. But three point shooting (makes) is what will allow all of this.
Kam will be back with his elite shooting. We need hi . And a Stevie return will help the cause as well
Quote from: Daniel on December 23, 2023, 08:45:55 AM
As of late, I agree that there is too much dribbling and not enough of the snappy quick passing and moving the ball around for open looks. We are getting open looks, nonetheless and missed a lot of them. Not seeing as much back door flashes either. Had a beautiful Alli-oop to Oso last evening. Need more back door cuts and that. But three point shooting (makes) is what will allow all of this.
Kam will be back with his elite shooting. We need hi . And a Stevie return will help the cause as well
Well, maybe I'm a little out there but I think Oso is an 18 ppg scorer at the college level. His assists are also down a full 1.1 per game. He needs more touches imo. You have two bona fide AA candidates, they should have the ball in their hands as much as possible. And Oso can make that 8-12 footer with regularity. My inclination Daniel is that early in games we should make a concerted effort to get Oso the ball. Less dribbling and let him operate with the rock consistently in our h-c possessions a la Jokic. That doesn't mean he has to shoot but he can create more opportunities and alleviate some pressure on TyKo.
Muggsy
There is way too much dribbling at the moment and it starts with Sean Jones. Kolek is the smartest dribbler I have ever seen, seldom takes one more than needed and seldom picks up dribble one short. If guys don't learn from then they will never learn.
Quote from: Goose on December 23, 2023, 09:18:28 AM
Muggsy
There is way too much dribbling at the moment and it starts with Sean Jones. Kolek is the smartest dribbler I have ever seen, seldom takes one more than needed and seldom picks up dribble one short. If guys don't learn from then they will never learn.
I think Kam is dribbling too much as well. Jop of course needs to understand he's not an iso player a la Carmelo Anthony. Too much dribbling, too much ball stopping Goose, imao.
Sean's game at the moment consists solely of him dribbling into trouble and finding someone hopefully open on the wing.
I don't particularly care about his 3 pt shot...I want to see him develop a floater that can keep bigs on their heels
Muggsy
I agree on the other two, less with Kam because he can create his own shot. Good news, if 90% of scoop sees too much dribbling it should be an easy fix for the staff.
Quote from: GB Warrior on December 23, 2023, 09:27:30 AM
Sean's game at the moment consists solely of him dribbling into trouble and finding someone hopefully open on the wing.
I don't particularly care about his 3 pt shot...I want to see him develop a floater that can keep bigs on their heels
Yes. Excellent point. He still needs to figure out where to be effective on the floor. He has his zoomspin move against certain match-ups but it's what he does in that painted area whether it be to score or dime drop.
Quote from: Goose on December 23, 2023, 09:30:48 AM
Muggsy
I agree on the other two, less with Kam because he can create his own shot. Good news, if 90% of scoop sees too much dribbling it should be an easy fix for the staff.
I also think without Stevie we're not handling the high screen very well. Sometimes we autoswitch and generally we get screened too easily which leads to being out of position and creates open looks for our opponents. Whatever happened to stopping the ball?
One very big thing that is now part of college sports, these guys are playing for nil money. I think we have seen more individual play from guys not making real coin yet and that has hurt the chemistry. Ross, Sean and Joplin are not making big three money and they will possibly be the core next year.
IMO, being a coach is far harder today. There is a big gap in pay at MU, and most schools, and guys are playing like contract years. Now, I do not think it is a major problem, but more individual play leads me to my theory.
Outside of the usual simplistic snark, interesting topic and conversation.
More ball movement, less dribbling and a concerted effort to get Oso involved early.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 23, 2023, 09:41:50 AM
Outside of the usual simplistic snark, interesting topic and conversation.
I used to have the floater and stop and pop Lenny from inside the paint. Now in no way am I saying I was close to the player Sean Jones or any of these guys are, but it was part of my arsenal because I knew that if I went full throttle to the rim my shot would be swatted to another galaxy. This seems like basic common sense to me. Maybe my modest vert helped me make better decisions. If I was 6'8 I'd be a combination of Tony Parker and Doncic. :)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 23, 2023, 09:41:50 AM
Outside of the usual simplistic snark, interesting topic and conversation.
These are the snarky comments I come to scoop for
I just have major concerns about Sean at this level how much he'll ever contribute. It's clear he dribbles so much because he can't get his shot off and has no tear drop or quick release yet once he's in the paint. Getting into the paint certainly is not an issue for him.
And then he looks very tight and not confident shooting it. He just needs to let it go with confidence. Easier said than done in the heat of game action but hopefully he'll do it.
He's got some high level skills but needs to find a way to be a threat scoring or else his value will be pretty limited.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 23, 2023, 09:50:34 AM
I used to have the floater and stop and pop Lenny from inside the paint. Now in no way am I saying I was close to the player Sean Jones or any of these guys are, but it was part of my arsenal because I knew that if I went full throttle to the rim my shot would be swatted to another galaxy. This seems like basic common sense to me. Maybe my modest vert helped me make better decisions. If I was 6'8 I'd be a combination of Tony Parker and Doncic. :)
Did you play thru HS ball or college ball too?
Quote from: Goose on December 23, 2023, 09:37:56 AM
One very big thing that is now part of college sports, these guys are playing for nil money. I think we have seen more individual play from guys not making real coin yet and that has hurt the chemistry. Ross, Sean and Joplin are not making big three money and they will possibly be the core next year.
IMO, being a coach is far harder today. There is a big gap in pay at MU, and most schools, and guys are playing like contract years. Now, I do think it is a major problem, but more individual play leads me to my theory.
I don't agree with this take at all
TAMU
My point is that it is very hard for guys to stick out based on the top three guys. I do not think is a major issue, but there has been guys playing solo more than the past 1.5 years. These are college kids and a lot of money on the line. Going into next year there is going to be a lot of gap room available.
I am not saying this is big chemistry problem, but do think the non big three are playing less team ball than previous games.
Goose
I don't see it as an issue of NIL money. I think Stevie's absence is giving Chase an opportunity, and, not surprisingly, he's trying to stake a claim on continued playing time. Truthfully, he might be trying to show up Joplin, as if Ross might fill that O-Max gap better than Jop has done.
And Stevie helps space out the offense well, with his cuts and availability on the perimeter.
Someone's mention of Jop trying to be like Carmelo is an interesting insight. Even when he was hitting threes last night, I felt he still tried too much back-in, 1 on 1 ball.
I am hopeful, maybe even optimistic about Sean, as I do feel he has changed and progressed from last year. He still looks like he's trying too hard (maybe due to his pace, it seems that way?) and dribbles too much. But, he does seem to be making better choices.
Overall, I see these guys trying to succeed in their roles, and with Stevie out, their roles have slightly changed. And so, understandably, they want to expand their roles. I don't see it as an NIL-influenced chemistry issue.
Move the ball to the open man Spread the floor . Cut well and Make 3s.
It is very hard in this league to get to charity stripe on the dribble drives. The refs are letting the guys play physical ball.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 23, 2023, 10:28:48 AM
How often did your team go medieval?
Rarely. We were mediocre and the coach was an imbecile.
I do not think there is a nil issue at all. My point is that the guys that are not that the big three are the biggest guys stalling the offense by excessive dribbling. IMO, it has hurt the flow of the offense. That I do think has hurt the on floor chemistry. I 100% believe these are not connected, but there has been some on court frustration.
As for the nil money, it is real life changing money for the top players. Any college kid that would not care about that is a rare person, imo. I would not fault any kid that wants to change their life by playing college basketball.
I do not think there is jealousy of guys being paid substantially more and that is a good thing.
I mentioned that there will be a lot of gap room next year and someone is likely to do well. If I were in charge, I would have hard time determining who the right guys are to get paid. Fortunately I am not in charge because I would be hitting the transfer portal hard.
We have a pretty good shot if we score more points.
Quote from: Goose on December 23, 2023, 09:37:56 AM
One very big thing that is now part of college sports, these guys are playing for nil money. I think we have seen more individual play from guys not making real coin yet and that has hurt the chemistry. Ross, Sean and Joplin are not making big three money and they will possibly be the core next year.
IMO, being a coach is far harder today. There is a big gap in pay at MU, and most schools, and guys are playing like contract years. Now, I do not think it is a major problem, but more individual play leads me to my theory.
I think this is a big stretch. When the offense bogged down last year, it looked similar. This isn't about too much one-on-one play. It's about defenses packing it in and not respecting the outside shot.
Quote from: Goose on December 23, 2023, 10:18:45 AM
I am not saying this is big chemistry problem, but do think the non big three are playing less team ball than previous games.
I don't see this at all.
Sultan
You may be right. I just think it is harder today because it is not just playing for playing time anymore. Imo, the transfer portal and landscape of college sports has changed so much and I think guys dreaming about a payday is a normal thought process.
As for the offense bogging down, I do not agree completely. I do believe we have seen more individual plays and guys pressing those plays.
To prevent the sagging and packing of the lane, we need to hit the threes. Spacing and ball movement will lead to good shots, but we need to make them at a good percentage. I was encouraged to see Ben Gold and Joplin make them last night. That will help pull the forwards out, but we also need to have better 3 point shooting from our guards/small forwards. Kam Jones and Tyler Kolek are great, but the rest are struggling. Chase Ross, Stevie Mitchell, Tyre Norman, Zaide Lowery, and Sean Jones are a combined 19 for 97 so far this year. Just slightly under 20%. I wish we had a guard on the bench that was a great shooter, even if he wasn't long and athletic, to come in against the zones and sagging defenses.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 23, 2023, 07:30:13 AM
How would you experts attack the sag and physicality we will see from numerous teams in the BEast? I think there are times where we over drbble and play too fast and impatiently in the h-court. I understand wanting to play with a fast tempo but I believe this team should be able to get quality shots vs any of our opponents. My take is we should move Oso around more. It doesn't always have to be a high pick & roll or a straight low post catch. Anyway, where do you see our best options/areas to score vs this particular defense? Because I'm pretty sure we'll see it fairly often.
Where else can he play? He brings the ball up court. He plays at the FT line. He plays on both wings.
Maybe the concession stand so he can deliver drinks?
Quote from: Goose on December 23, 2023, 09:37:56 AM
One very big thing that is now part of college sports, these guys are playing for nil money. I think we have seen more individual play from guys not making real coin yet and that has hurt the chemistry. Ross, Sean and Joplin are not making big three money and they will possibly be the core next year.
IMO, being a coach is far harder today. There is a big gap in pay at MU, and most schools, and guys are playing like contract years. Now, I do not think it is a major problem, but more individual play leads me to my theory.
Agree 100% that we've seen much more of people trying to make individual plays off the dribble this year than last. Also a lot of 3s taken by poor shooters early in the shot clock. Don't know whether this is by design or if you're right about the $ aspect but I think it's happening.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 23, 2023, 12:48:13 PM
Agree 100% that we've seen much more of people trying to make individual plays off the dribble this year than last. Also a lot of 3s taken by poor shooters early in the shot clock. Don't know whether this is by design or if you're right about the $ aspect but I think it's happening.
This stuff is so easy to see in real time and in film sessions that I'm sure Shaka is addressing this after every game. I think he sees these players make these plays/shots in practice every day and understands that it will happen in games with more experience especially with the younger guys. He wants them to take wide open shots whether it's early or not. How else can you get better and more confident? How else can you develop so you are ready to contribute when it matters?
Shaka knows his team. I don't think this is NIL related or if it is it's only 5%. Shaka will have this team playing for each other and they all know based on Omax going first round that winning basketball helps get everyone where they want to go and the money they all want to make.
As far as dribbling possibly too much, Sean Jones, the main culprit people are talking about, is built for that. He is quick enough to probe the lane and kick it out. Despite his size he is shifty enough to get some layups with that action as well. I, like other posters, think when he develops a floater he will be dangerous. He also took a mid range jumper last night that look good but rimmed out that I think will work for him in the future. He will ultimately be fine from range IMO as well. I'm pretty sure must be making these shots in practice with regularity.
MU is an imperfect team that has enough talent to continue to get better and I think Shaka will have them playing at their best when it matters, NIL or no NIL.
Shooter,
Trust me, this is simply me being curious. Let's say you are a sophomore in college playing D1 basketball and you knew 2-3 of your teammates were making a combined $800k (made up number) and they likely were not back next year, would you have any interest in upping your pay the next year? If so, would it influence how you played?
Why are we attacking Standard and Poor's? :o
Quote from: Goose on December 23, 2023, 06:03:40 PM
Shooter,
Trust me, this is simply me being curious. Let's say you are a sophomore in college playing D1 basketball and you knew 2-3 of your teammates were making a combined $800k (made up number) and they likely were not back next year, would you have any interest in upping your pay the next year? If so, would it influence how you played?
Oh, I agree that it is something that could creep in to a team dynamic. I'm not not dismissing it and saying you are wrong. I just think with this particular team from what I've seen, heard and read that it's not likely a factor in their play. I admit I could be wrong. Your point is valid one going forward on future teams IMO and probably many other current teams in the NCAA.
As far as holding the ball too long, MU is the 11th fastest team offensively. Defensively, MU is the 4th slowest.
What posters are describing (dribbling too much) is sagging to deny the rim and daring players to shoot. There is that Death Valley problem with a four or five man out offense.
Look at Kam this year from two: He is shooting .500 vs. .643 last season. Versus A/B opponents, he is shooting .479 versus .632. And we know other players shooting problems, especially from three. MU has been scouted.
As to NIL selfishness, one need not to look further than Omax to see how unselfish play helps one get drafted in the first round.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 24, 2023, 07:26:45 AM
As far as holding the ball too long, MU is the 11th fastest team offensively. Defensively, MU is the 4th slowest.
What posters are describing (dribbling too much) is sagging to deny the rim and daring players to shoot. There is that Death Valley problem with a four or five man out offense.
Look at Kam this year from two: He is shooting .500 vs. .643 last season. Versus A/B opponents, he is shooting .479 versus .632. And we know other players shooting problems, especially from three. MU has been scouted.
As to NIL selfishness, one need knock look further than Omax to see how unselfish play helps one get draft in the first round.
Yep yep and yep. I think people are seeing drives to the hoop being less effective this year and interpreting it as "too much one-on-one." But I don't think the offense is that much different. The defenses are.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 24, 2023, 07:30:34 AM
Yep yep and yep. I think people are seeing drives to the hoop being less effective this year and interpreting it as "too much one-on-one." But I don't think the offense is that much different. The defenses are.
Agree Dr B and Sultan. And I think Shaka figures it out. There is enough talent on this team to come up with solutions.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 24, 2023, 07:47:21 AM
Agree Dr B and Sultan. And I think Shaka figures it out. There is enough talent on this team to come up with solutions.
Porter Moser would figure it out.
He would have Oso with the ball at the top of the key, have motion and cutting around him, and if he didn't find a pass he likes, fire up 18 foot jumpers.
use oso more iike the sac kings use sabonis-kind of like the traffic control cop.
players cutting past and around him setting mini picks
options to pass and cut, drive, turn and shoot if he had a "mid-range" jumper.
tk and kam cutting past oso-creating more options
tk and kam are our only real 3 point shooters, sometimes jop if he's on of course. when jop is hot from the 3, he is one of the better, but we haven't seen enough of the hot
Dr. B
You may be right on scouting, but the offense sure looked very good against Kansas and Purdue. IMO, it is who is the dribbling, not just the dribbling. Jop, Ross and Sean Jones are the guys holding the ball the longest. In most cases they are not looking for the open man and have tunnel vision.
Quote from: Goose on December 24, 2023, 08:49:49 AM
Dr. B
You may be right on scouting, but the offense sure looked very good against Kansas and Purdue. IMO, it is who is the dribbling, not just the dribbling. Jop, Ross and Sean Jones are the guys holding the ball the longest. In most cases they are not looking for the open man and have tunnel vision.
MU forced Kansas and Purdue into their worst turnover rate games of the season. If you remember, MU was down double digits to Purdue but MU's defense was spectacular. Defense led to offense and more MU possessions. MU had average shooting games.
As to your other comment, I believe it's them trying to run the Nevada offense and not taking the third priority shots that are open and where containment opponents are vacating to defend the rim.
You say they are being NIL selfish, I am saying MU coaches need to adjust to what opposing coaches are running defensively (see Shaka's record against these defenses). I really don't want to relive another day in March bemoaning why Vanilla Soft-Serve was able to stop MU defensively.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 24, 2023, 09:10:16 AM
MU forced Kansas and Purdue into their worst turnover rate games of the season. If you remember, MU was down double digits to Purdue but MU's defense was spectacular. Defense led to offense and more MU possessions. MU had average shooting games.
As to your other comment, I believe it's them trying to run the Nevada offense and not taking the third priority shots that are open and where containment opponents are vacating to defend the rim.
You say they are being NIL selfish, I am saying MU coaches need to adjust to what opposing coaches are running defensively (see Shaka's record against these defenses). I really don't want to relive another day in March bemoaning why Vanilla Soft-Serve was able to stop MU defensively.
Are you saying we should take more of the 8-10 foot J's Dr. B?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 24, 2023, 09:25:28 AM
Are you saying we should take more of the 8-10 foot J's Dr. B?
I have already pointed out the adjustments I feel should be made in many past threads weeks ago. Shaka firmly believes in his systems, however, and has great success (except against certain defenses). I'd like to see adjustments. Defenses now are going to try and muck MU up and Shaka believes in his systems and guys. Even GT was throwing up a gap containment line foul line extended trying to keep Tyler out of the lane. That's the fun of being a fan to see the point-counter point.
However, this board has some interesting theories, the latest being NIL Selfishness, as to why. That goes with the multi-arc lines, shooting background, and "I am a bad fan for pointing out my critiques", when the simplest and most obvious reason (opponents have adjusted) is dismissed. Odd
#ISIS
I'd like to see more of this action with Jop or Kam. Make the defense make a decision and hopefully draw them out a bit. https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1727585915361796359?t=WwPG2JiAvVD5w1vdhcPD7A&s=19
They've been a little over-relient on the side two-man action with Oso handing off and screening. Another area where they miss Stevie. He'd make a back cut that vacated the corner to create space for the shot.
I seriously never once considered "thinking about NIL" as a possible part of anything going on with the team.
Maybe I'm naive, but during the course of games and practices I would be very surprised if any Marquette player gives NIL a single thought.
Dr. B
I will say it again, I do not think they are nil selfish as a rule. My point has been that it would be hard not to think about getting $150k raise a year from now. I would bet that MU is low on the list of guys focused on nil money.
I do think it is naive to think that no player has it run their mind. You noted Omax and I would Stevie Mitchell as two unique guys. For the third straight year there is not one player that I do not like and I am pulling for the team, plus the guys individually.
I will conclude my posts on this topic by making a general statement, I 1000% believe there are college players somewhere in D1 basketball that have nil money on their mind.
Back to the offense, I do think the improved D, especially forcing long possessions has created some of the problem. MU's offensive is best when it forces quick turnovers vs a shot clock violation. All in all, I agree with your assessment on the team and the offense.
Merry Christmas to you and your family!!
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 24, 2023, 09:54:26 AM
I have already pointed out the adjustments I feel should be made in many past threads weeks ago. Shaka firmly believes in his systems, however, and has great success (except against certain defenses). I'd like to see adjustments. Defenses now are going to try and muck MU up and Shaka believes in his systems and guys. Even GT was throwing up a gap containment line foul line extended trying to keep Tyler out of the lane. That's the fun of being a fan to see the point-counter point.
However, this board has some interesting theories, the latest being NIL Selfishness, as to why. That goes with the multi-arc lines, shooting background, and "I am a bad fan for pointing out my critiques", when the simplest and most obvious reason (opponents have adjusted) is dismissed. Odd
#ISIS
I don't make excuses. I'd like to see more rise and fires from relatively close range if they sag. I also think Tyko should launch a bit more.
Sean is going to have to. He gets in the lane, nobody challenges him. He gets to the basket and his defender walls up while everybody else takes away passing lanes.
Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2023, 01:37:22 PM
Sean is going to have to. He gets in the lane, nobody challenges him. He gets to the basket and his defender walls up while everybody else takes away passing lanes.
Yep. Make them pay for letting him into the lane 5 feet from the basket.
Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2023, 01:37:22 PM
Sean is going to have to. He gets in the lane, nobody challenges him. He gets to the basket and his defender walls up while everybody else takes away passing lanes.
Couldn't agree more.
Who on MU actually has a "rise and fire" shot off a dribble? They are pretty much all set shooters.
All part of the 5 point plan.
The recipe for how to beat MU is published. Wisconsin did it, St Thomas tried it and with vastly inferior talent gave MU a hard time, and now PC did it. As much as I love Shaka's system, there are limitations. Right now, there are handcuffs on the guys telling them never to take mid range jumpers, but Big East Tournaments and NCAA tournament games are won with mid-range jumpers. Having said that, I would not allow everyone on the team to do it. Shaka of course would know who's dangerous from mid-range, but I suspect it's Kolek (dangerous anywhere) and Jop (high release).
Next time a good team packs it in the lane and the 3's are not falling, give those 2 and only those 2 the green light for some mid-range game. Have an alternate offense set up with someone in the dunker slot and Jop at the FT line where if the D sags because of the dunker Jop can just shoot it.
As for Kolek, just have him watch a bunch of Villanova Jalen Brunson videos. I actually think he's already a better player than Brunson - but Brunson won so many games with his mid-range.
Quote from: wisblue on December 24, 2023, 04:12:24 PM
Who on MU actually has a "rise and fire" shot off a dribble? They are pretty much all set shooters.
They have been told it's a bad shot. Now that defenses are adjusting I hope there are more players on our team that can do it than you think.
Agree with the poster that says many NCAA tournament games are won with a few well timed mid range shots. Need it in the arsenal.
Stevie shot a few teardrops last year. Oso does that midrange.oush all the time. Omax shot the pull up occasionally. Kam has a variety of shots in the lane.
Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2023, 04:17:10 PM
All part of the 5 point plan.
Tower,
Do not mock or disparage my 5 point plan. We must relentlessly attack and know where to attack vs a myriad of defenses. Our spurtability and barrages haven't come with the frequency I had hoped for to this point. I believe this is a valuable discussion and we can turn the corner so to speak very quickly.
Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2023, 06:29:55 PM
Stevie shot a few teardrops last year. Oso does that midrange.oush all the time. Omax shot the pull up occasionally. Kam has a variety of shots in the lane.
Oso would not be who people are talking about. Bit agreed he should continue doing it. Guards and forwards are the conversation. Stevie had very few shots that you are taking about and not sure he's the right guy. Omax had maybe a handful all year.
Kam shoots a few floaters and should keep doing it. They will fall. Agree with posters who say Joplin and Sean should have mid range options to score. Both can't usually get all the way to the hoop but both have a means of getting a mid range shot off. Jop because of the height and high release. Sean because of quickness, handle and athleticism.
We'll see how it develops over this season.
Shaka should scrape his system and install Scoop coaches system.
Clearly.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 24, 2023, 08:48:33 PM
Shaka should scrape his system and install Scoop coaches system.
100%
Didn't read most of the comments....
But beating physically aggressive teams.... the simplist way, is to be psychical. Oso has shy'd away from this a lot this year. It starts with him driving and hitting people on offense.
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 24, 2023, 05:42:47 PM
The recipe for how to beat MU is published. Wisconsin did it, St Thomas tried it and with vastly inferior talent gave MU a hard time, and now PC did it. As much as I love Shaka's system, there are limitations. Right now, there are handcuffs on the guys telling them never to take mid range jumpers, but Big East Tournaments and NCAA tournament games are won with mid-range jumpers. Having said that, I would not allow everyone on the team to do it. Shaka of course would know who's dangerous from mid-range, but I suspect it's Kolek (dangerous anywhere) and Jop (high release).
Next time a good team packs it in the lane and the 3's are not falling, give those 2 and only those 2 the green light for some mid-range game. Have an alternate offense set up with someone in the dunker slot and Jop at the FT line where if the D sags because of the dunker Jop can just shoot it.
As for Kolek, just have him watch a bunch of Villanova Jalen Brunson videos. I actually think he's already a better player than Brunson - but Brunson won so many games with his mid-range.
Why didn't Texas use the recipe? ND didn't use it either. Was Georgetown unable to get a hold of the recipe?
Some of it is talent. Some of it is defensive philosophy. Some of it may be that particular defensive set hasn't been installed yet.
Quote from: Judge Smails on December 25, 2023, 07:25:17 AM
Why didn't Texas use the recipe? ND didn't use it either. Was Georgetown unable to get a hold of the recipe?
In addition to Tower's points, some coaches stubbornly believe that their system will win every game.
They preach consistency, therefore cannot be "inconsistent".
Quote from: Judge Smails on December 25, 2023, 07:25:17 AM
Why didn't Texas use the recipe? ND didn't use it either. Was Georgetown unable to get a hold of the recipe?
"Why didn't Texas..." is a legit question, but ND and GT? ND had to rally to beat 0-15 Coppin State in South Bend and GT barely survived Merrimack in DC. If either team tried to use the recipe, how could you tell based upon the final scores?