Poll
Question:
MU Big East Losses 23-24
Option 1: 0-2 Nice!
votes: 16
Option 2: 3-4 OK but woulda coulda shoulda
votes: 81
Option 3: 5-7 Disappointing
votes: 15
Option 4: 8+. Disaster
votes: 4
I liked that NonConf Grade Poll...hope we have another at the end of the regular season....but curious the Scoop expectations before be get started.
If you want to get specific who you think gives us trouble, Hit the comments
I say UConn and Creighton away will be tough. Everyone else we beat wherever whenever. I love it that our first game is big away. Providence
I would like this thread to "exceed expectations," so I am immediately ticking all the boxes:
- Wojo
- Crean
- Indiana
- Freeway
- Mbakwe
- Price of beer at Fiserv
- Buzz
- Bracketology
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 17, 2023, 07:05:33 PM
I liked that NonConf Grade Poll...hope we have another at the end of the regular season....but curious the Scoop expectations before be get started.
If you want to get specific who you think gives us trouble, Hit the comments
I say UConn and Creighton away will be tough. Everyone else we beat wherever whenever. I love it that our first game is big away. Providence
Think it'll be a different animal on the road for MU this year with regards to facing hostile crowds. Expectations are to repeat as champs but we may get upset more than we'd like on the road.
It's Indiana!
Quote from: warriorfred on December 17, 2023, 07:31:57 PM
I would like this thread to "exceed expectations," so I am immediately ticking all the boxes:
- Wojo
- Crean
- Indiana
- Freeway
- Mbakwe
- Price of beer at Fiserv
- Buzz
- Bracketology
The last time I saw Freeway he said "How about Horace Grant and the Chicago Bulls?"
I thought that was a more interesting conversation starter than the cliched Michael Jordan talk.
BE winner history for some context:
22-23 MU 17-3
21-22 PV 17-3 14-3
20-21 VN 11-4
19-20 CR/VN/SH 13-5
18-19 VN 13-5
17-18 X 15-3
16-17 VN 15-3
15-16 VN 16-2
14-15 VN 16-2
13-14 VN 16-2
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 17, 2023, 08:01:22 PM
BE winner history for some context:
22-23 MU 17-3
21-22 PV 17-3 14-3
20-21 VN 11-4
19-20 CR/VN/SH 13-5
18-19 VN 13-5
17-18 X 15-3
16-17 VN 15-3
15-16 VN 16-2
14-15 VN 16-2
13-14 VN 16-2
FIFY
2023 Marquette and 2012 Syracuse are the only Big East teams to win 17 games in a season, though Syracuse's ended up vacated.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2023, 08:15:03 PM
FIFY
2023 Marquette and 2012 Syracuse are the only Big East teams to win 17 games in a season, though Syracuse's ended up vacated.
Sorry, typo, corrected
Your 5 loss "disappointing" season is good enough for a share of the title in 7 of those 10 years.
I think MU goes 16 - 4 ... or 15 - 5
No better. They have way too many chinks in the armor. Jop is not playing well ... and certainly not replacing OMAX..
They have two guys shooting about
.10 % from 3 ...
And they are gonna get every teams best shot
Quote from: Carl on December 17, 2023, 10:42:00 PM
Your 5 loss "disappointing" season is good enough for a share of the title in 7 of those 10 years.
Certainly the verbiage on the choices is my commentary and don't expect people to agree with that necessarily. Really just trying to poll the number.
Believe me for this year 5-7 losses in the BE will disappoint me.
As for the 7 out of 10 thing, not sure the math you're using. 5 losses would make a 15-5 record and 750 winning pct which appears to be less than most of those winning teams in the last 10 years...but I could be missing something.
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 17, 2023, 10:51:30 PM
And they are gonna get every teams best shot
This is a good point. I remember those years of hunting Villanova to get that quality win. Could turn a game against us.
The Big East will indeed be a BEast this year. Like was said, everyone is gub I g for us, no surprises with the KolekIsa duo, and we need overall better shooting. I think every game can be a challenge as we saw with St Thomas who was hitting record shots while we were not. Need to play our A game most of the time.
Pomeroy says 15-5, which by the terms of this poll says "Expect to be disappointed".
With the nonconference base to work on, 15-5 should be good for about a 3 seed in the NCAA and should be in contention for the conference title unless UConn dominates.
It's worth noting that the 2018 Villanova team that won the NCAA torurnament was 14-4 in the Big East and last year's UConn team was 13-7. So, a "disappointing" conference season does not preclude postseason success.
MU last year went 12-0 against the 6 conference teams that were not in contention for the title and did not make the NCAA tournament. That is going to be very difficult to repeat.
Quote from: Daniel on December 18, 2023, 12:19:35 AM
The Big East will indeed be a BEast this year. Like was said, everyone is gub I g for us, no surprises with the KolekIsa duo, and we need overall better shooting. I think every game can be a challenge as we saw with St Thomas who was hitting record shots while we were not. Need to play our A game most of the time.
Thanks for reminding me of this: https://youtu.be/4VdMdboymT8?feature=shared (https://youtu.be/4VdMdboymT8?feature=shared)
Quote from: Daniel on December 18, 2023, 12:19:35 AM
The Big East will indeed be a BEast this year.
Really? This is a pretty soft year. UConn excepted. Sure winning on the road will still be tough everywhere and at Villanova and at Creighton very, very tough. However, overall I'd say it is less of a Beast than in a fairly long time.
There is a pretty clear stratification.
MU, UCONN, Creighton
Villanova
X, SHU, SJU, Providence, Butler
DePaul, Georgetown
Quote from: tower912 on December 18, 2023, 07:51:09 AM
There is a pretty clear stratification.
MU, UCONN, Creighton
Villanova
X, SHU, SJU, Providence, Butler
DePaul, Georgetown
Maybe I am overthinking it but I think Creighton is a step behind MU and UConn:
MU, UCONN
Creighton
Villanova
X, SHU, SJU, Providence, Butler
DePaul, Georgetown
Quote from: Hoops92 on December 18, 2023, 07:46:07 AM
Really? This is a pretty soft year. UConn excepted. Sure winning on the road will still be tough everywhere and at Villanova and at Creighton very, very tough. However, overall I'd say it is less of a Beast than in a fairly long time.
For context, here are kenpom rankings going into BE play last season compared to this year's kenpom rankings:
(Many thanks to dedicated Scoop poster and neck enthusiast Herman Cain)
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 16, 2022
New Old
1 1 UConn
30 32 Marquette
38 40 Xavier
47 49 Butler
48 47 Creighton
70 71 St. John's
84 84 Seton Hall
101 100 Providence
107 111 Villanova
156 157 DePaul
250 245 Georgetown
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 16, 2023
New Old
5 6 UConn
7 8 Marquette
11 9 Creighton
42 46 Villanova
51 55 Butler
63 67 St. John's
67 68 Xavier
69 58 Providence
113 112 Seton Hall
203 237 Georgetown
274 266 DePaul
So, on the whole, actually better this year.
Woof, that 4th place Butler team ended up being SO bad though.
Quote from: barfolomew on December 18, 2023, 08:34:10 AM
For context, here are kenpom rankings going into BE play last season compared to this year's kenpom rankings:
(Many thanks to dedicated Scoop poster and neck enthusiast Herman Cain)
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 16, 2022
New Old
1 1 UConn
30 32 Marquette
38 40 Xavier
47 49 Butler
48 47 Creighton
70 71 St. John's
84 84 Seton Hall
101 100 Providence
107 111 Villanova
156 157 DePaul
250 245 Georgetown
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 16, 2023
New Old
5 6 UConn
7 8 Marquette
11 9 Creighton
42 46 Villanova
51 55 Butler
63 67 St. John's
67 68 Xavier
69 58 Providence
113 112 Seton Hall
203 237 Georgetown
274 266 DePaul
So, on the whole, actually better this year.
One note, those are NET numbers, not kenpom. Butler was 70 in kenpom last year going into Big East play, 58 this year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2023, 10:17:00 AM
One note, those are NET numbers, not kenpom. Butler was 70 in kenpom last year going into Big East play, 58 this year.
Thanks brew, correct.
I originally wnated to compare kenpom numbers pre-BE but could find last years' (for free, anyways :)).
I am sticking with my 15-5. Like everyone else, I hope they are playing their basketball late in the season.
Quote from: mug644 on December 18, 2023, 06:23:00 AM
Thanks for reminding me of this: https://youtu.be/4VdMdboymT8?feature=shared (https://youtu.be/4VdMdboymT8?feature=shared)
LOL. My typo has me roaring now because of you! Ty!
Thanks for the replies on this Poll. I think we all have high expectations and perhaps mine are too high. Maybe an injury free, consistently high level is too much to expect from kids. There's reason to think it's possible. Great game to start with tonight!
This team is going to lose anywhere from 5-8 Big East games.
It is what it is. Repeating last years 17-3 + 3 more at MSG was never going to happen.
That isn't what matters. Getting better every day and positioning yourself to win a Championship is what matters.
Marquette has the talent to beat anyone and in March you only play 2 games each weekend. Get hot at the right time and stay hot.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 19, 2023, 10:47:38 PM
This team is going to lose anywhere from 5-8 Big East games.
It is what it is. Repeating last years 17-3 + 3 more at MSG was never going to happen.
That isn't what matters. Getting better every day and positioning yourself to win a Championship is what matters.
Marquette has the talent to beat anyone and in March you only play 2 games each weekend. Get hot at the right time and stay hot.
MU doesn't even have the talent to reach the Sweet 16.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on December 19, 2023, 10:58:00 PM
MU doesn't even have the talent to reach the Sweet 16.
They don't have the talent to make the Nit
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 19, 2023, 10:47:38 PM
This team is going to lose anywhere from 5-8 Big East games.
It is what it is. Repeating last years 17-3 + 3 more at MSG was never going to happen.
That isn't what matters. Getting better every day and positioning yourself to win a Championship is what matters.
Marquette has the talent to beat anyone and in March you only play 2 games each weekend. Get hot at the right time and stay hot.
Meh wouldn't shock me if they went unbeaten at home this year. They seem to play like a legit top 5 team there. Also you could argue this game was like the 3rd toughest game we'll play in the big east. It s massively deflating to start the con season off like this though no doubt
5 losses looks like the ceiling right now...
9 might be the floor
could possibly be:
2 providence
2 uconn
2 creighton
1 @ butler
1 @ St Johns
1 @ Villanova
Pomeroy now projects 13-7.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 20, 2023, 12:47:09 AM
5 losses looks like the ceiling right now...
9 might be the floor
could possibly be:
2 providence
2 uconn
2 creighton
1 @ butler
1 @ St Johns
1 @ Villanova
i see us losing to those teams too, but a split with Prov and Creighton. UConn? sweep (hence, 7 conf L's)...but I think UConn only has a single loss, no more than two, in conf play.
Quote from: wisblue on December 20, 2023, 05:36:21 AM
Pomeroy now projects 13-7.
I picked that in our preseason projections.
20-11 Overall, 13-7 Conference.
I picked Final Four though because I believe in this teams ceiling and reaching their ceiling in March is what matters most for this season.
Quote from: Viper on December 20, 2023, 07:54:23 AM
i see us losing to those teams too, but a split with Prov and Creighton. UConn? sweep (hence, 7 conf L's)...but I think UConn only has a single loss, no more than two, in conf play.
Wrong 😈
Quote from: wisblue on December 20, 2023, 05:36:21 AM
Pomeroy now projects 13-7.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 20, 2023, 08:52:19 AM
I picked that in our preseason projections.
20-11 Overall, 13-7 Conference.
I picked Final Four though because I believe in this teams ceiling and reaching their ceiling in March is what matters most for this season.
I have been in the 13-7 camp from the beginning. We have a strong conference
Quote from: Viper on December 20, 2023, 07:54:23 AM
but I think UConn only has a single loss, no more than two, in conf play.
This looks even less good now.
They're no better than last year's UConn team, which suffered through a 2-6 stretch. It doesn't mean they'll go through another 2-6 stretch, but it could happen. Starting things off with a loss at Seton Hall no doubt has many a HuskyScoopers gouging out their eyes.