Oso
Shaka when he makes them run barnburners tonight
its oso...
stevie come back
Kolek
He made six straight free throws to seal the win. Everything MU else prior to that was a crapshow.
Quote from: GB Warrior on December 14, 2023, 09:10:18 PM
Shaka when he makes them run barnburners tonight
Shaka gonna break out his best Herb Brooks impression tonight.
Osito.
Kolek. Double double clutch free throws
No one for that sh1t show.
Oso
No SOTG the game, loss!
No one should be the SOTG in this debacle. If I have to pick, it's either Oso or Kolek.
Oso had a solid game but in the end, it was Kolek knocking down all of his free throws to ice the game. He also had ten assists.
TyKo
Tonight was Oso. Tyler was great late but Oso played in so much control all night long, at least when he wasn't getting hacked without remorse.
Oso
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on December 14, 2023, 09:15:27 PM
No one should be the SOTG in this debacle.
Felt likewise, but have to lean to Oso.
It's Oso. He disappeared for the first 12 or 13 minutes of the second half, missed a bunch of FTs and committed a totally unnecessary flagrant foul but he also made the most big plays.
On a side note, if Jop never puts the ball on the floor inside of the 3 point line and Sean never shoots another 3 I'm OK with that - better than OK, actually.
Was that a win? - no SOTG...
Tyler for making his FTs down the stretch.
Lenny
Three years into the Shaka era and Joplin dribbling the basketball is my biggest negative to date. I would rather Sean Jones take half court shots to Joplin putting the ball on the court.
Jop needs to show that he can put the ball on the floor to play at the next level, so that's what he's trying to do. Ditto for Sean with the outside shot. Hopefully they ease down on that in conference play.
Oso, but worth noting that all starters hit double figures scoring and the two bench players that got more than 6 minute's were one field goal away. It's almost like all we're missing is a go-to defensive stopper? Oh wait...
I'll say the birthday boy. Kolek was visibly agitated, seemed mentally out of it, and sure looked like he whipped the ball at Jop after Jop made a mess of a handoff. He was huge down the stretch, so he definitely checked back into the game. So, while he had a hand in closing the door, he wasn't good enough.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on December 14, 2023, 10:11:02 PM
I'll say the birthday boy. Kolek was visibly agitated, seemed mentally out of it, and sure looked like he whipped the ball at Jop after Jop made a mess of a handoff. He was huge down the stretch, so he definitely checked back into the game. So, while he had a hand in closing the door, he wasn't good enough.
Sean?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on December 14, 2023, 10:02:18 PM
Jop needs to show that he can put the ball on the floor to play at the next level, so that's what he's trying to do. Ditto for Sean with the outside shot. Hopefully they ease down on that in conference play.
Biggie
If by "next level" you mean the NBA I don't see it for Jop - too slow, not a good enough athlete. His only hope (imo) would be if he became such an elite 3 point shooter (better than Novak or Sam) that some team would find a spot for him on the end of their bench.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 14, 2023, 10:11:49 PM
Sean?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
For the dunk and his grandma who was sitting in front of me 😁
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on December 14, 2023, 10:15:17 PM
For the dunk and his grandma who was sitting in front of me 😁
Does she look good?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 14, 2023, 10:13:14 PM
Biggie
If by "next level" you mean the NBA I don't see it for Jop - too slow, not a good enough athlete. His only hope (imo) would be if he became such an elite 3 point shooter (better than Novak or Sam) that some team would find a spot for him on the end of their bench.
Lenny, I agree with you. Novak was an absolutely elite shooter (and taller) and Sam is a better basketball player than Jop. Funnily enough, those are the two guys I thought of when I was pondering Jop's post-MU prospects. Let's hope he proves us wrong. And if he doesn't, let's hope he plays within his game in conference season and remains a good threat from deep.
Oso and it's really not close. 21, 8 rebounds, couple steals, 7/11 FT. He was excellent. Costly mistake on the flagrant but he was excellent start to finish.
21 Jump
I was not at the game but thought the same thing about Kolek being mentally out of it or pissed off over something. It did look like he threw the ball at Joplin on TV as well.
Oso
Kudos to Sean Jones for a nice game, a bounce back after a number of rough outings. Very, very good D, controlled on offense. He'll never be a good 3-point shooter, but he did all the other things that make him valuable.
Quote from: Goose on December 15, 2023, 03:34:24 AM
21 Jump
I was not at the game but thought the same thing about Kolek being mentally out of it or pissed off over something. It did look like he threw the ball at Joplin on TV as well.
It was a bad dribble handoff that he was upset about.
Outside of ST's two point shooting, the stat I was most disappointed with was Tyler only shooting one three. The looks were there.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 15, 2023, 07:40:54 AM
It was a bad dribble handoff that he was upset about.
Outside of ST's two point shooting, the stat I was most disappointed with was Tyler only shooting one three. The looks were there.
Agreed. I think a couple of players seemed afraid to take open looks.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 15, 2023, 07:50:41 AM
Agreed. I think a couple of players seemed afraid to take open looks.
He wanted to show he could win SOTG without being leading scorer. It was on purpose.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 15, 2023, 07:40:54 AM
It was a bad dribble handoff that he was upset about.
Outside of ST's two point shooting, the stat I was most disappointed with was Tyler only shooting one three. The looks were there.
TyKo is very coachable, and that's part of his leadership role on the team.
After the Wisconsin game Shaka challenged him to be more aggressive and look to get his and he went for 28.
Last night, the message was to get others involved and he only attempted 6 shots in 38 minutes and got 12&10.
He's a star in every role, but that role changes as directly by his coaches message, scouting of opponent, game flow etc.
Only issue is that the coaches have to direct him the right way at the right time. He started off the ball a lot in Madison and it turned out to be the incorrect move imo.
Last night, it was obvious he was in distributor mode. As the game got dicey in the 2H he tried to press offensively and wasn't effective, likely because he wasn't in that mindset all game.
Eventually this season we will see a game, or several games, where he does both.
We saw 28,8,6 against Texas and 22,7,6 against Purdue.
He will have some BE games where he goes 20&10+ I would imagine.
Oso for SOTG
Quote from: Goose on December 15, 2023, 03:34:24 AM
21 Jump
I was not at the game but thought the same thing about Kolek being mentally out of it or pissed off over something. It did look like he threw the ball at Joplin on TV as well.
Goose
It was shocking. I have a kid like Tyler, always the leader, always has to be on, always has to be lifting his teammates. Sometimes that armor cracks, and I think it did last night with Tyler. He was extra chippy, extra mouthy to the refs, extra mouthy to the opposing bench, threw the ball at Jop, extra demonstrative on his throwing of his head back when defended, extra selfish, well, actually selfish. He has earned the right, but last night he let it turn negative.
I think he wanted to pummel St. Thomas, and when the guys weren't connected and busting their asses, he got pissed. A pissed Tyler has proven to be an excellent Tyler many times, last night, we saw the opposite, in my opinion.
In true Tyler form, he once again carried the team in the end, made huge free throws, and didn't cross the line with words or actions that could have cost the team. He has the "Warrior Mindset" and sometimes this happens.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 15, 2023, 07:40:54 AM
It was a bad dribble handoff that he was upset about.
Outside of ST's two point shooting, the stat I was most disappointed with was Tyler only shooting one three. The looks were there.
Yep, it was absolutely that hand off. Normally, Tyler drops the ball and heads the other way. This time, he grabbed the ball, turned, and whipped it at Jop. There was an off energy in the Fiserv last night.
Quote from: Goose on December 15, 2023, 03:34:24 AM
21 Jump
I was not at the game but thought the same thing about Kolek being mentally out of it or pissed off over something. It did look like he threw the ball at Joplin on TV as well.
Probably mad at Kam for calling out his gas station undies. I will be monitoring slaps of five from here forward.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 15, 2023, 08:58:59 AM
Probably mad at Kam for calling out his gas station undies. I will be monitoring slaps of five from here forward.
They should tally them up and chart them like deflections so we all know.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 15, 2023, 08:58:59 AM
Probably mad at Kam for calling out his gas station undies. I will be monitoring slaps of five from here forward.
Then he should have "whipped" (21's word) the ball at Kam rather than taking it out on Jop.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on December 15, 2023, 08:57:15 AM
Yep, it was absolutely that hand off. Normally, Tyler drops the ball and heads the other way. This time, he grabbed the ball, turned, and whipped it at Jop. There was an off energy in the Fiserv last night.
I guess not shown on TV but he pointed at himself and said my bad. He was frustrated at himself.
They aren't machines. Kolek is a great player who didn't have his best game ... but he still had a double-double and still made some outstanding passes. He usually is so sharp mentally that when he isn't, it's hard to believe. I'm not the least bit concerned. He showed his toughness at the end by taking care of the ball and making important FTs.
Oso was obviously the SoG ... but then again I thought that was the case for ND, too.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on December 15, 2023, 06:47:43 AM
Kudos to Sean Jones for a nice game, a bounce back after a number of rough outings. Very, very good D, controlled on offense. He'll never be a good 3-point shooter, but he did all the other things that make him valuable.
Really liked his post up moves down low. When he plays under control he is so fast and athletic and explosive that he can do it against people much taller. Going to be a really good player for MU.
Oso for SOTG
Oso
I have no problem with Tyler playing off the ball in half court or inbounds offense, but I really wish he would bring the ball up after every defensive rebound or true transition offensive possession. He is a wizard at making the right judgement and getting an easy 2 for somebody when everybody is running. His greatest talent in my opinion
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 15, 2023, 09:36:45 AM
I guess not shown on TV but he pointed at himself and said my bad. He was frustrated at himself.
Appreciate that clarification, it was so out of character that this makes sense to me
Oso
Oso for SOTG.
Honorable mentions Tyler double double and clutch free throws. Chase clutch 3 pointer.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 14, 2023, 10:13:14 PM
Biggie
If by "next level" you mean the NBA I don't see it for Jop - too slow, not a good enough athlete. His only hope (imo) would be if he became such an elite 3 point shooter (better than Novak or Sam) that some team would find a spot for him on the end of their bench.
Jop and NBA in the same sentence without teal should be cause for banishment.
Why did Omax get drafted and Justin did not? Speed, athleticism, defense.
I would not say Joplin has no chance at the NBA, but it would be a top level three point guy. Hopefully he proves a lot us wrong and ends up in the league. MU needs the good Jop the next 3+ months and fingers crossed he gets going in BE play.
OSO
Oso Igohodaro
Honorable Mention
Tyler Kolek
TKO ! ! ! 8-)
Quote from: real chili 83 on December 16, 2023, 08:58:01 PM
Banhammer.
Almost as red as that disgusting chili you guys eat!
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 16, 2023, 09:12:43 PM
Almost as red as that disgusting chili you guys eat!
Ban dis guy ^^^^^