Give the rodents credit but what bothers me is we clearly weren't ready to play today. Other than that run to begin the 2H we quite frankly were awful and not ourselves. Our two best players in particular did not play with the proper tenacity or focus. I'll just leave it at that. Perhaps this will be a good wake-up call moving forward but I thought it was an extremely disappointing performance with everything on the line. Gotta bounce back on Wednesday.
Lol at that court storming
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 02, 2023, 01:35:21 PM
Give the rodents credit but what bothers me is we clearly weren't ready to play today. Other than that run to begin the 2H we quite frankly were awful and not ourselves. Our two best players in particular did not play with the proper tenacity or focus. I'll just leave it at that. Perhaps this will be a good wake-up call moving forward but I thought it was an extremely disappointing performance with everything on the line. Gotta bounce back on Wednesday.
We played a strong opponent. Have to raise our game to play against quality teams on the road.
It's hard to win on the road. Impossible when you foul a ton and give up rebounds on half their misses. It takes a big shooting effort to make that up and they didn't have it.
UW shoved us in a locker today and it sucks.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 02, 2023, 01:35:21 PM
Give the rodents credit but what bothers me is we clearly weren't ready to play today. Other than that run to begin the 2H we quite frankly were awful and not ourselves. Our two best players in particular did not play with the proper tenacity or focus. I'll just leave it at that. Perhaps this will be a good wake-up call moving forward but I thought it was an extremely disappointing performance with everything on the line. Gotta bounce back on Wednesday.
Like Raf said, there was a delay on the freeway. I'm sure they are embarrassed and will respond accordingly. This one hurts a bit, I'll be honest. Joplin should never start.
Tyler needed to be more assertive to start the game.
Difference between good teams in CBB is so small.......you don't play well you are going to lose....especially on the road.
Defensive rebounding continues to be an Achilles heel of Shaka's MU teams.
Lack of consistent production from Jop/Ross continues to be a concern.
This team won't make it pay the second round. Unfortunate.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 02, 2023, 01:42:05 PM
Tyler needed to be more assertive to start the game.
Yep. Hate to say it, but before we climbed back into the game he looked disinterested. He has to lead, always
Can't show up for just 5 mins of game time and expect to win.
Not enough offensive firepower if Kam and Kolek aren't scoring, or the only 2 players scoring. Very bad game from Oso which is surprising the way he played vs Maui bigs. MU is good, but not as good as we thought/hoped.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on December 02, 2023, 01:42:43 PM
Yep. Hate to say it, but before we climbed back into the game he looked disinterested. He has to lead, always
Definitely Tyko and Oso have to lead and neither did this morning.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 02, 2023, 01:44:51 PM
Definitely Tyko and Oso have to lead and neither did this morning.
Nope, they did not
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 02, 2023, 01:44:51 PM
Definitely Tyko and Oso have to lead and neither did this morning.
Didn't understand that at all - this is the kind of game Tyler normally thrives in.
That was pathetic.. you expect more from a veteran team. there's off games but that was AWFUL basketball for 34 minutes of the game. Casually owned by the badgers yet again. Wtf just don't get it sometimes
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 02, 2023, 01:42:05 PM
Tyler needed to be more assertive to start the game.
The entire game. Very passive today.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 02, 2023, 01:45:47 PM
Didn't understand that at all - this is the kind of game Tyler normally thrives in.
Odd performance from TKO tonight. Wisconsin was excellent defending the paint, but he passed on several open threes he should be launching without hesitation.
MU was outplayed in every single phase of the game. Wisconsin earned the win and I congratulate them on a really good performance. Hope they win the BIG. What concerns me most about the game is that there was not a single MU player who played really well. Wisconsin completely disrupted the offense, and I did not see the intensity I expected from our guys. But, winning in the road against a good team is a tall order. I have a feeling the Texas game will be a turn-around for them.
They didn't get off the bus. Leaders not leading. No one being a leader in their role---just trying to be something else.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 02, 2023, 01:45:53 PM
That was pathetic.. you expect more from a veteran team. there's off games but that was AWFUL basketball for 34 minutes of the game. Casually owned by the badgers yet again. Wtf just don't get it sometimes
I can't disagree. And what exactly was our game plan out there? We looked catatonic and unassertive for major stetches. The lack of energy was quite troubling and inexplicable. If you're Oso Ighadoro for example, a top big in the country, you can't not show up essentially vs Steven Crowl. I simply don't understand.
Outplayed and outcoached. Use your timeouts to settle your team and get easy baskets. Maybe don't pull Kam and Stevie when they are the lynchpin for your O and D. Gold, Ross and Joplin were terrible today. Kolek and Oso were not much better. Coaching may have been the worst of all. I love this team and Shaka but this should be a gut check moment for everyone. Poor energy outside of 90 seconds to start the second half.
Very frustrating but the reality is that Gard has outcoached Shaka 3 years in a row. That needs to change a.s.a.p.
It can't change for a year.
Justin ....
Exactly. Team played like $hit. That's on Shaka /— again v UW.
Quote from: JustinLewisFanClubPres on December 02, 2023, 01:49:24 PM
Outplayed and outcoached. Use your timeouts to settle your team and get easy baskets. Maybe don't pull Kam and Stevie when they are the lynchpin for your O and D. Gold, Ross and Joplin were terrible today. Kolek and Oso were not much better. Coaching may have been the worst of all. I love this team and Shaka but this should be a gut check moment for everyone. Poor energy outside of 90 seconds to start the second half.
Very frustrating but the reality is that Gard has outcoached Shaka 3 years in a row. That needs to change a.s.a.p.
Yep
Oso: 5pts, on 2-5, 5 rebs, 2 dimes, 4 turnovers. And he was never in foul trouble. Crowl was 5-6 and gets 16 and 8. This is worthy of highlighting because we can't beat good teams if he doesn't show up at all.
Congrats to UW. They were the tougher team and outplayed us from tip to finish. I thought the way they responded after our run was impressive.
MU has bigger fish to fry this year and they need to continue to learn and get better so they are peaking at the end of the year. Still a ways to go in that regard.
We knew that lack of size was MU's weakness.
It now looks like a fatal flaw that's going to set the team's ceiling a lot lower than we had hoped.
Quote from: wisblue on December 02, 2023, 01:56:38 PM
We knew that lack of size was MU's weakness.
It now looks like a fatal flaw that's going to set the team's ceiling a lot lower than we had hoped.
Yeah it's just ridiculous. Insane rebounding disparity may send them packing in march
Quote from: Johnny B on December 02, 2023, 02:08:37 PM
Yeah it's just ridiculous. Insane rebounding disparity may WILL send them packing in march
I think you had a typo.
Quote from: warriorfred on December 02, 2023, 02:10:49 PM
I think you had a typo.
Congratulations on your Super Bowl win today.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 02, 2023, 02:11:55 PM
Congratulations on your Super Bowl win today.
Thanks. Chiefs fan for a long time.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 02, 2023, 01:35:21 PM
Give the rodents credit but what bothers me is we clearly weren't ready to play today. Other than that run to begin the 2H we quite frankly were awful and not ourselves. Our two best players in particular did not play with the proper tenacity or focus. I'll just leave it at that. Perhaps this will be a good wake-up call moving forward but I thought it was an extremely disappointing performance with everything on the line. Gotta bounce back on Wednesday.
What, exactly, was on the line on the second day of December?
Quote from: murara1994 on December 02, 2023, 02:48:20 PM
What, exactly, was on the line on the second day of December?
Muggsy's pride
A whole year of hating that fcking school and wishing they were relegated to a less lovely city
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 02, 2023, 01:38:41 PM
We played a strong opponent. Have to raise our game to play against quality teams on the road.
This. Also we can't get down by double digits in first half. Same in the Purdue game. A big hole to climb out of.
There are a plethora of things to be upset about and do not tell me this is a December game that meant nothing. It's a rivalry game, a game in a hostile environment, and we are an experienced team playing for a #1 NCAA seed. We
crapped the bed, period.
Here are some facts: Oso is one of the best bigs in the country and he quite frankly did not show up. There was a going through the motions body language that we all saw and it was inexplicable. He looked a step behind and did not play with the force or tenacity that he has to moving forward.
Jop is driving me up the freaking wall. There is zero, and I mean 0.0 reason he should be playing iso ball a la Carmelo Anthony. There are a total of 3 things he should think about on the offensive end, that's it. Take the catch and shoot triple, cut to the rim when it's there, and move the damn basketball when guarded closely.
TyKo as well was not himself. Part of that is a credit to the rodent defense but he can't wait to assert himself, especially when we're struggling in the h-c to score. There is nothing Whisky did defensively that should have been a surprise to him, Shaka, and our entire team.
Our rebounding was a cataclysmic disaster. There's no way to sugarcoat this, it sucked. And while it's true the rodents had a parade at the FT line in the 1H, we were fking God awful the entire game. We rebounded with Kansas and Purdue, today we were stuck in cement.
It's one game and I get that I can overreact at times but this was an extremely upsetting performance. I mean there simply is no explanation for example that at the end of the 1H Jop had the most shots. Get our three best players the most shots, especially down the stretch. In closing all I can say is we must play with our hair on fire Wednesday with 100% focus.
Badger Game Autopsy:
Someone here said it, I don't know who but good for you, for pointing it out. Who wanted the game more from the get go? It was obvious. The team that came out and hit threes or got carem rebounds and put backs. When that happens you can't run and you can't wear them down. It surely didn't look anything like we've seen, especially in the first half. I know it will remind everyone of the Kansas game, what a week ago?
In the second half they climbed right back because Oso played the facilitator and scored quite easily. There you go. The triangle and the inherent higher percentage shots. And then what?
A half court offence built around two sophomores who stumbled around trying to get a leaner in the lane. Lame. I'm not naming any names but please penetrate and pass until you're ready to be more physical. Let the stars do their thing. Kam did his thing. Still not hitting open threes because he's trying to keep the team in this thing so he drives and scores twos. He's watched plenty of Dwade tape to know how to do it. He can do it for stretches but he can't take over a game. He needs his teammates to contribute more than they did today. Gold hit a couple. Nice.
For what was at stake I expected more today. Surely disappointed. Kolek was decent. Played hard and missed some lay ups. His circus throw off the backboard that went in was a sight to see. The speculation earlier this week about the Badgers winning and their fans storming the court was met with laughter, and I myself didn't expect to see the finish today. Marquette played poorly. Don't ever let your poll ranking define your ability. It's a game to game thing. Move on.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 02, 2023, 02:08:37 PM
Yeah it's just ridiculous. Insane rebounding disparity may send them packing in march
Gold's inability to stay on the court due to fouls was a killer. Neither he nor Oso can get taken out of games with fouls.
extremely disappointing. shaka failing to beat uw is becoming a problem. outplayed, outhustled, out-toughed. someone needs to remind shaka that this is an important game on the schedule and going 0-3 is unacceptable.
game against texas becomes very important IMO to right the ship
this will be all forgotten if we make a run in march
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 02, 2023, 06:57:51 PM
Gold's inability to stay on the court due to fouls was a killer. Neither he nor Oso can get taken out of games with fouls.
Oso had 2 fouls in 37 mins. Gold did have 3 fouls in a flash but could have played more. What's more disturbing was Oso's production today and that he was completely outplayed by Crowl. . He has to touch the ball more in our h-c offense and take more than 5 shots.
So Oso should force it if he is well defended. Which he was. Force fouls and get to the line, right?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 02, 2023, 07:04:02 PM
Oso had 2 fouls in 37 mins. Gold did have 3 fouls in a flash but could have played more. What's more disturbing was Oso's production today and that he was completely outplayed by Crowl. . He has to touch the ball more in our h-c offense and take mire than 5 shots.
You touched on it above, but Oso and Tyler were both way too passive today.
Quote from: tower912 on December 02, 2023, 07:05:03 PM
So Oso should force it if he is well defended. Which he was. Force fouls and get to the line, right?
No. He should touch the ball more. Crowl is not a combination of Dennis Rodman and Hakeem Olajuwon.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 02, 2023, 07:06:04 PM
You touched on it above, but Oso and Tyler were both way too passive today.
100% spot-on. And where the F was the tenacity?? I'm going through all of this in my head and just can't figure it out.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 02, 2023, 07:04:02 PM
Oso had 2 fouls in 37 mins. Gold did have 3 fouls in a flash but could have played more. What's more disturbing was Oso's production today and that he was completely outplayed by Crowl. . He has to touch the ball more in our h-c offense and take more than 5 shots.
i think a big part of the reason gold didn't play much was the dude was just getting torched defensively. I mean I know he ain't the fastest guy but my goodness he looked slower than molasses out there today
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 02, 2023, 07:09:21 PM
100% spot-on. And where the F was the tenacity?? I'm going through all of this in my head and just can't figure it out.
Where is the leadership and passion? Guys looked scared out there. Quiet as a mouse
Quote from: warriors141 on December 02, 2023, 07:12:23 PM
i think a big part of the reason gold didn't play much was the dude was just getting torched defensively. I mean I know he ain't the fastest guy but my goodness he looked slower than molasses out there today
No question BG had his problems. As did TyKo and our perimeter players in the 1H who made Klesmit look like Steph Curry.
Jop Solutions? We really need him to find his role and game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 02, 2023, 07:18:41 PM
Jop Solutions? We really need him to find his role and game.
Transfer market
Listen to Shaka's presser.
I will say what I have said several times already this year. Starting is different than coming off the bench. Facing the opponent's starting 4 from the jump is tougher. Team's are playing him differently. Joplin's shot hasn't gotten faster and he has far more responsibility this year. There is no one to take his place, unless you want to start Gold, Amadou, or pull Hamilton's redshirt, as 4 guards isn't going to get it in big boy basketball and it isn't like Ross is an improvement right now. So, Joplin is just going to have to work through it. Or, as Shaka said, time to be a big boy.
Quote from: tower912 on December 02, 2023, 07:23:38 PM
Listen to Shaka's presser.
I will say what I have said several times already this year. Starting is different than coming off the bench. Facing the opponent's starting 4 from the jump is tougher. Team's are playing him differently. Joplin's shot hasn't gotten faster and he has far more responsibility this year. There is no one to take his place, unless you want to start Gold, Amadou, or pull Hamilton's redshirt, as 4 guards isn't going to get it in big boy basketball and it isn't like Ross is an improvement right now. So, Joplin is just going to have to work through it. Or, as Shaka said, time to be a big boy.
He didn't tel him to transfer?
That would be out of character.
Quote from: tower912 on December 02, 2023, 07:32:14 PM
That would be out of character.
What's Porter Moser doing?
Coaching
He would by fine at UWM.
Even the Asian Carp aren't biting ln this one.
We had a bad game. Next!
I'm trying to get this out of my mind. Watching Hanna (2011). I just saw trained assassin in the description and figured it could be therapeutic. Cate Blanchett is a superb actress.
Wuz Swiftie at da game, hey?
As someone said on this thread earlier-- you can't play like Carmelo Anthony. It's not that I wouldn't like to see Joplin or Ross do those astounding things. Heaven forbid, but they are both capable of making the right decision. You're at 14 feet. Shoot quickly or pass. The key is always quickness. Quickness up and down the court and a quick shot. And if you miss it comes down to team aggressiveness. And quickness. Sorry to be redundant.
Jolp needs to play way better.
Quote from: tower912 on December 02, 2023, 07:23:38 PM
Listen to Shaka's presser.
I will say what I have said several times already this year. Starting is different than coming off the bench. Facing the opponent's starting 4 from the jump is tougher. Team's are playing him differently. Joplin's shot hasn't gotten faster and he has far more responsibility this year. There is no one to take his place, unless you want to start Gold, Amadou, or pull Hamilton's redshirt, as 4 guards isn't going to get it in big boy basketball and it isn't like Ross is an improvement right now. So, Joplin is just going to have to work through it. Or, as Shaka said, time to be a big boy.
regarding chase-i love the guy and see his upside, but just because many say he is one of the most improved players on the team doesn't mean that all he has to do is show up! playing well in practice and showing some improved physical fitness does not an improved player make
same for jop and as a junior, we need better than what we've seen. we know he can put the ball in the hole...sometimes. instead of making 15 in a row in one game then going o'fer, how about developing a little consistency
put amadou in for christ's sake-what's the worst that could happen? he burn out a pair of nikes?
This can be a character builder. Big in state rival, MU comes and soils the mattress. IMHO, they got a little too big for their britches and started to believe the hype. This team is better when they're the underdog, under the radar.
Quote from: SonOfWarrior on December 03, 2023, 09:31:47 AM
This can be a character builder. Big in state rival, MU comes and soils the mattress. IMHO, they got a little too big for their britches and started to believe the hype. This team is better when they're the underdog, under the radar.
In Shaka's humble opinion, too.
As stated by many others we need Jop. Badly. Tyko and Oso had atrocious games yesterday but I expect them to bounce back. We have to get way more from our forward position or Shaka has to decide if we should start 4 guards. We weren't winning yesterday either way but his decision making down the stretch, in addition to his 2-13, is a recipe for future disasters if he can't find his shooting touch. 7 of his 9 triple attempts were wide open. He's a good shooter, these are shots we all know he can make. One performance could change everything but right now he's really struggling and it has to be a high priority. Get him a lay-up on a cut early in the game. Maybe post him and he can take one dribble instead of 100. We desperately need Jop to get back on track.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 02, 2023, 07:16:09 PM
No question BG had his problems. As did TyKo and our perimeter players in the 1H who made Klesmit look like Steph Curry.
Eh, one got was unconscious for one half--it happens. Bagders shot 25% for the game from deep, so that was far from the problem.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on December 03, 2023, 09:52:53 AM
Eh, one got was unconscious for one half--it happens. Bagders shot 25% for the game from deep, so that was far from the problem.
I said one guy in the 1 H. No one else on their team made a 3.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on December 03, 2023, 09:52:53 AM
Eh, one got was unconscious for one half--it happens. Bagders shot 25% for the game from deep, so that was far from the problem.
Yes it was only one half, but that's the second time it's happened and put them on a deep hole at halftime that was too much to climb out it. Going forward, they need to do a better job of minimizing the damage from whoever has the hot hand.
Paint touches tweeted this, but this was the unacceptable sequence in the game to me that really highlighted how much we were out hustled.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 03, 2023, 10:54:43 AM
Paint touches tweeted this, but this was the unacceptable sequence in the game to me that really highlighted how much we were out hustled.
I saw that and remember screaming at my tv during that sequence - beyond embarrassing.