He will be the next big superstar at MU. His athleticism is off the charts. It is the kind of athleticism the best basketball players have - agility, explosiveness, and very smooth yet sudden in movement, and an ability to play lower to the floor/have great body control. And his shot form looks very good too.
Good call. Texting with my MU friends while watching tonight's game, I couldn't stop talking about him. He already has a great basketball build, and he definitely has talent. He could be a freakin' stud as early as next season.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 28, 2023, 10:49:25 PM
He will be the next big superstar at MU. His athleticism is off the charts. It is the kind of athleticism the best basketball players have - agility, explosiveness, and very smooth yet sudden in movement, and an ability to play lower to the floor/have great body control. And his shot form looks very good too.
Our guard depth is insane and I think you're right. This kid appears to have the entire arsenal and looks quite poised already.
He's my favorite in that class coming in, much like Justin Lewis was in the class with Dawson G.
He just seems like a Marquette guy.
I haven't seen anything like that yet to claim he's an elite dude, but him and Tre- who I think has sneaky elite 2 year run the team PG ability- are set to make massive sophomore jumps next year.
The thing with sophomore jumps tho is that you don't really know until you know-
Ex: everyone thought Chase and then Sean showed up. Not that Chase is playing bad, and he's clearly got the elite athleticism, D, etc, but even in an off night SJ22 looked more ready than Chase so far in year 2z
So, we will see, but I agree with your point that I love the prospect of Zaide.
Wanna hear the best part?
14 mins and 7 reb, 2nd most on the team and more than athletic freak Omax had in a single game in his entire MU career 🤪
He's spends more time upright than Omax....
Quote from: DoctorV on November 28, 2023, 10:55:48 PM
He's my favorite in that class coming in, much like Justin Lewis was in the class with Dawson G.
He just seems like a Marquette guy.
I haven't seen anything like that yet to claim he's an elite dude, but him and Tre- who I think has sneaky elite 2 year run the team PG ability- are set to make massive sophomore jumps next year.
The thing with sophomore jumps tho is that you don't really know until you know-
Ex: everyone thought Chase and then Sean showed up. Not that Chase is playing bad, and he's clearly got the elite athleticism, D, etc, but even in an off night SJ22 looked more ready than Chase so far in year 2z
So, we will see, but I agree with your point that I love the prospect of Zaide.
Wanna hear the best part?
14 mins and 7 reb, 2nd most on the team and more than athletic freak Omax had in a single game in his entire MU career 🤪
Quote from: DoctorV on November 28, 2023, 10:55:48 PM
Wanna hear the best part?
14 mins and 7 reb, 2nd most on the team and more than athletic freak Omax had in a single game in his entire MU career 🤪
He is an instinctive rebounder, he goes to the ball. And has strong hands - love that about him. I noticed this in one of our early cupcake games and pointed it out here - bodes well for the future.
Chase Ross is the next big superstar at Marquette. But yes, Zaide's time will come
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 28, 2023, 10:49:25 PM
He will be the next big superstar at MU. His athleticism is off the charts. It is the kind of athleticism the best basketball players have - agility, explosiveness, and very smooth yet sudden in movement, and an ability to play lower to the floor/have great body control. And his shot form looks very good too.
Yep. Effortless athleticism. With skills to match. Shaka got a good one.
He looked smooth. As the young guys were launching 3's in the last 10 minutes last night, I started flashing back to the first few games under Shaka. When frustrations were abounding over early shot clock 3's and concerns about the offense.
Part of the process is watching the young guards learn how to take advantage of close outs, drive and either finish at the rim or create for others with the next pass. I could definitely project Tre, Ross, and Zaide as the guards, switching everything on one end and making the opposing defenders Chase (ha) their tails. Spin cycle.
So, yeah, Zaide looked good.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 29, 2023, 12:26:13 AM
Chase Ross is the next big superstar at Marquette. But yes, Zaide's time will come
It will be hard to see TyKo, Kam, and Oso move on, but a lineup with Sean, Chase, Zaide, Jop, and Ben will still be nasty. There aren't many teams in the country that will be able to keep up with that backcourt athleticism.
Stevie will still start. But your concept is spot on.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 29, 2023, 12:26:13 AM
Chase Ross is the next big superstar at Marquette. But yes, Zaide's time will come
I think Chase will be great, but I am not as high on him as others.
Zaire, however, showed me a little bit of first year Justin Lewis and first year Jimmy Butler. He has that special something about him in the way he moves and plays, as alluded to in the initial post.
I'm not suggesting he can reach those same levels. It takes a lot of development and hard work and progress, but I see some early similarities and if I was betting, I'd say he looks the part of our next big superstar.
The great thing with this team is that legitimate cases can be made for several players (Gold and Ross to the front). And, hopefully the soon to be freshmen can replicate and keep this going.
Quote from: MUCam on November 29, 2023, 07:35:44 AM
I think Chase will be great, but I am not as high on him as others.
This should probably have its own thread but ...
Yeah, is it heresy for me to say that Chase hasn't quite met expectations this season?
He's been fine, good even, but when I heard Shaka call him the most improved player during the preseason work, I expected to see a major step up - maybe not like Kolek and Oso last season, but at least like Joplin. Indeed, it's Sean Jones' improvement that has been eye-opening so far.
Chase is shooting .286 from 3, he's forcing things a bit on offense (especially if he hasn't scored in awhile and feels he "needs" a bucket), he's had hardly any "did you see that?" plays, stuff like that.
It's early, he's obviously talented, he did have a very nice game against Kansas, and Shaka sees him everyday so he knows a lot more about him than I do. Plus it's early.
Maybe he officially launches his 6th Man of the Year campaign at Madison. We could use it!
Quote from: MUCam on November 29, 2023, 07:35:44 AM
I think Chase will be great, but I am not as high on him as others.
Zaire, however, showed me a little bit of first year Justin Lewis and first year Jimmy Butler. He has that special something about him in the way he moves and plays, as alluded to in the initial post.
I'm not suggesting he can reach those same levels. It takes a lot of development and hard work and progress, but I see some early similarities and if I was betting, I'd say he looks the part of our next big superstar.
The great thing with this team is that legitimate cases can be made for several players (Gold and Ross to the front). And, hopefully the soon to be freshmen can replicate and keep this going.
I am about as high on Zaide as everyone, but being more impressed with him than Chase at this point is kind of silly. Chase has showed out against Big East competition and Kansas and the like. Zaide had a good game against Southern. But I am glad he earned himself some more playing time.
Quote from: MU82 on November 29, 2023, 07:46:14 AM
This should probably have its own thread but ...
Yeah, is it heresy for me to say that Chase hasn't quite met expectations this season?
He's been fine, good even, but when I heard Shaka call him the most improved player during the preseason work, I expected to see a major step up - maybe not like Kolek and Oso last season, but at least like Joplin. Indeed, it's Sean Jones' improvement that has been eye-opening so far.
Chase is shooting .286 from 3, he's forcing things a bit on offense (especially if he hasn't scored in awhile and feels he "needs" a bucket), he's had hardly any "did you see that?" plays, stuff like that.
It's early, he's obviously talented, he did have a very nice game against Kansas, and Shaka sees him everyday so he knows a lot more about him than I do. Plus it's early.
Maybe he officially launches his 6th Man of the Year campaign at Madison. We could use it!
It isn't heresy. There have been multiple times where I have rolled my eyes and muttered 'Put Stevie back in.' I firmly believe Ross is fine and will get better. Settle in and make the necessary subtle adjustments.
Quote from: MUCam on November 29, 2023, 07:35:44 AM
I think Chase will be great, but I am not as high on him as others.
Zaire, however, showed me a little bit of first year Justin Lewis and first year Jimmy Butler. He has that special something about him in the way he moves and plays, as alluded to in the initial post.
I'm not suggesting he can reach those same levels. It takes a lot of development and hard work and progress, but I see some early similarities and if I was betting, I'd say he looks the part of our next big superstar.
The great thing with this team is that legitimate cases can be made for several players (Gold and Ross to the front). And. hopefully the soon to be freshmen can replicate and keep this going.
You made several very good (Herman would say excellent) points, but your comment on Chase? Not so sure about that. As much as we all loved Zaire's show last night, looking forward to next season he and the others you mentioned will keep MU solidly in the top 25. Our future looks great!
It will be interesting to see how and when Shaka uses him the remainder of this season. Damn, Marquette is sitting pretty not just this season, but beyond. Back up a Brinks truck for Shaka.
Chase was great against Kansas. He was pretty bad against Purdue.
I was impressed with Amadou. Yeah, it was Southern, but playing the Sophs and Freshman for most of the 2nd half was impressive.
I am not looking past this season one bit, but for the past two years I have been looking forward to seeing what a full roster of Shaka recruits looks like. IMO, Shaka has build a system the past year+ based off of skill sets of the guys on the team and he has done it to perfection.
That said, I believe we got a glimpse in the second half of what we can expect in the future. Next season, regardless of who is back, this time is going to have a high number of 6-5 to 6-11 guys that are high energy, athletic basketball players. Going forward the offense may be driven by the defense. I have no doubt they will continue to score at a high clip, but if very easily could be driven by a high number of transition points.
Also, there are very few people that would have predicted Kolek, Oso and Kam being the high level players they have turned out to be. My guess, these guys would have struggled to reach these heights at another program. Shaka built this team by maximizing his talent. There likely will never be another Kolek in my lifetime, or Oso, but there are going to be team full of dudes that likely will have their strengths highlighted by Shaka. Probably a different look, but it is going be equally as exciting.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 29, 2023, 12:26:13 AM
Chase Ross is the next big superstar at Marquette. But yes, Zaide's time will come
I hope you are correct, and hope Chase has a bust-out game on Saturday. His talent is a bad matchup for WI.
Quote from: tower912 on November 29, 2023, 07:19:18 AM
Stevie will still start. But your concept is spot on.
But Kam will be gone?
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on November 29, 2023, 07:49:49 AM
I am about as high on Zaide as everyone, but being more impressed with him than Chase at this point is kind of silly. Chase has showed out against Big East competition and Kansas and the like. Zaide had a good game against Southern. But I am glad he earned himself some more playing time.
My point is admittedly poorly articulated. I am not more impressed with Zaide than with Chase in the here and now, and I am definitely not more impressed with Zaide based on a one game sample against inferior competition. Chase is the better player right now. Chase will almost assuredly have a bigger impact on Marquette this year. Chase will be a leader for this team for as long as he is at Marquette. I think he is great and I think he has All-Big East future potential. I just am not yet on the "Chase is NBA material" bandwagon, if that bandwagon even exists; maybe it doesn't.
The point I was making is that Zaide--in the few games he's played and especially yesterday--reminds me a little bit of some of our past "big superstars", such as a freshman Justin Lewis, freshman Lazar Hayward, and a young sophomore Jimmy Butler. Granted, those guys played (out of necessity) 15-20 minutes per game their first years at MU, but I was a huge fan of each of them in their earliest games. Zaide has to really work hard to get to even a sophomore Chase Ross level, but there is something about his game and the way he moves and plays, that gives me flashbacks to prior "big superstars." I think there will be a few meaningful games this year, just as there were for Lewis, Hayward, and Butler, where Zaide shows his future potential. It may be less likely to happen due to the strength of the roster above him, including Chase Ross, but I think it'll happen.
Justice Stewart once said about obscenity, "I will know it when I see it." I don't know what that has to do with our team, but I feel like what I see in Zaide is potential for future stardom, and that is not an obscene take, I don't think. Ha!
Quote from: avid1010 on November 29, 2023, 08:42:26 AM
But Kam will be gone?
I took Oso, Kam, and Kolek leaving and inferred that it would be after this season. I fully expect Stevie back next season.
Chase has been inconsistent. He's much more comfortable in transition than in the h-court right now. Both Chase and Stevie are capable of driving the paint and making the 4 footer in lieu of going all the way to the rim. Stevie drained two last night. The other shot we need to hit more often is the wide open corner triple. And we're getting that shot which is the dream shot. Chase, Jop, Ben, Stevie, Sean, etc, have to hit that triple for us to go from excellent to unguardable.
Zaide has a bright future. This roster is just too good for freshman like Tre and Zaide to have much impact.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 29, 2023, 09:24:26 AM
Zaide has a bright future. This roster is just too good for freshman like Tre and Zaide to have much impact.
I give Shaka credit for recruiting good players that will play minimal minutes as freshman, usually freshman want to play more. Not easy. Parham and Owen will see more time next year since Oso is leaving. Not sold on Amadeu yet, nice to see has hops, not sure what else he brings to the offensive end, can he dribble? Athletically he reminds me of Itejere right now. He should have redshirted.
Quote from: tower912 on November 29, 2023, 07:19:18 AM
Stevie will still start. But your concept is spot on.
And he'll still be airballing wide open jump shots
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on November 29, 2023, 10:09:53 AM
And he'll still be airballing wide open jump shots
And winning games.
Quote from: MU82 on November 29, 2023, 07:46:14 AM
This should probably have its own thread but ...
Yeah, is it heresy for me to say that Chase hasn't quite met expectations this season?
He's been fine, good even, but when I heard Shaka call him the most improved player during the preseason work, I expected to see a major step up - maybe not like Kolek and Oso last season, but at least like Joplin. Indeed, it's Sean Jones' improvement that has been eye-opening so far.
Chase is shooting .286 from 3, he's forcing things a bit on offense (especially if he hasn't scored in awhile and feels he "needs" a bucket), he's had hardly any "did you see that?" plays, stuff like that.
It's early, he's obviously talented, he did have a very nice game against Kansas, and Shaka sees him everyday so he knows a lot more about him than I do. Plus it's early.
Maybe he officially launches his 6th Man of the Year campaign at Madison. We could use it!
I agree.
The one thing that I will say, though, is that Chase is the top guard/wing in terms of willingness to attack the rim and finish through contact/drawing fouls.
Kam and Kolek are both great finishers, but their craftiness around the hoop often means that they can score without enough contact to draw a foul--they both use those scoop shots and use their bodies to shield off the defender--entirely effective, but makes it easier for refs to allow the contact without a foul.
Chase, though, has shown a number of moments when he senses a weakness in the defense and attacks the rim hard--both in transition and in the half-court. His speed/explosiveness puts the D into tough situations that they have to foul. That has helped him to shoot the 3rd highest total of FTs so far, despite having the lowest usage rate of all the regulars--and he has done well at the line, making nearly 80%.
Quote from: MUMountin on November 29, 2023, 10:44:41 AM
I agree.
The one thing that I will say, though, is that Chase is the top guard/wing in terms of willingness to attack the rim and finish through contact/drawing fouls.
Kam and Kolek are both great finishers, but their craftiness around the hoop often means that they can score without enough contact to draw a foul--they both use those scoop shots and use their bodies to shield off the defender--entirely effective, but makes it easier for refs to allow the contact without a foul.
Chase, though, has shown a number of moments when he senses a weakness in the defense and attacks the rim hard--both in transition and in the half-court. His speed/explosiveness puts the D into tough situations that they have to foul. That has helped him to shoot the 3rd highest total of FTs so far, despite having the lowest usage rate of all the regulars--and he has done well at the line, making nearly 80%.
Good points.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 29, 2023, 10:07:47 AM
I give Shaka credit for recruiting good players that will play minimal minutes as freshman, usually freshman want to play more. Not easy. Parham and Owen will see more time next year since Oso is leaving. Not sold on Amadeu yet, nice to see has hops, not sure what else he brings to the offensive end, can he dribble? Athletically he reminds me of Itejere right now. He should have redshirted.
*sadtrombone*
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 29, 2023, 10:07:47 AM
Athletically he reminds me of Itejere right now. He should have redshirted.
When Omax remained in the draft, that was no longer an option.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 29, 2023, 10:07:47 AM
I give Shaka credit for recruiting good players that will play minimal minutes as freshman, usually freshman want to play more. Not easy. Parham and Owen will see more time next year since Oso is leaving. Not sold on Amadeu yet, nice to see has hops, not sure what else he brings to the offensive end, can he dribble? Athletically he reminds me of Itejere right now. He should have redshirted.
They needed a third big that is available. It was either Al or Caedin. But Caedin was going to a prep school until June. Al made more sense.
Being limited offensivly isn't a bad thing with the offensive creators we have. Theo, Oso, Sean Jones, Juan Anderson, Stevie. They were all negative offensive players as freshmen. But i wouldn't be surprised if Al is a better defender as a freshman than everyone on that list. Theo fouled every other posession as a freshman and Juan took some time to be better.
Al can fly all over that court. I wouldn't want him going head to head with a true center at this point. But i could see Al being essential next year in helping Ben Gold be viable againist really good bigs next year.
Quote from: tower912 on November 29, 2023, 10:15:42 AM
And winning games.
Winning is overrated. I just wish MU had deadeye shooters like Wahl, Klesmit, Crowl, Gilmore, etc. Like nlw, I'd rather lose the
white right way.
NLW needs a bad MU loss so he can bring up what a good start Moser has had this season.
Is NLW a meateater?
Quote from: MU82 on November 29, 2023, 07:46:14 AM
This should probably have its own thread but ...
Yeah, is it heresy for me to say that Chase hasn't quite met expectations this season?
He's been fine, good even, but when I heard Shaka call him the most improved player during the preseason work, I expected to see a major step up - maybe not like Kolek and Oso last season, but at least like Joplin. Indeed, it's Sean Jones' improvement that has been eye-opening so far.
Chase is shooting .286 from 3, he's forcing things a bit on offense (especially if he hasn't scored in awhile and feels he "needs" a bucket), he's had hardly any "did you see that?" plays, stuff like that.
It's early, he's obviously talented, he did have a very nice game against Kansas, and Shaka sees him everyday so he knows a lot more about him than I do. Plus it's early.
Maybe he officially launches his 6th Man of the Year campaign at Madison. We could use it!
Totally agree and almost brought this up in original post, as while Chase is very athletic, it is a different kind of athletic - one I would suggest is the elite athleticism possessed by football players versus a basketball player. There is just a difference.
DJO is a good comp for Chase's athleticism - both very athletic but I would say more in the straight line sense versus great lateral athleticism. Zaide has "pogo stick" type of athleticism..super quick off the ground.
I think Chase will be a very good player during his time at MU, but I don't see superstar written all over him like I do Zaide. Hope I'm wrong on this though and that Chase does blossom into a full blown superstar.
Quote from: tower912 on November 29, 2023, 11:11:24 AM
NLW needs a bad MU loss so he can bring up what a good start Moser has had this season.
The bracket simulation of Lundardi's recent one has Oklahoma beating Marquette to go to the s16. So he's probably looking at that right now.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 29, 2023, 08:12:13 AM
I was impressed with Amadou. Yeah, it was Southern, but playing the Sophs and Freshman for most of the 2nd half was impressive.
Why? The only time he touched the ball in the half court offense was on the 3 lobs. Otherwise, he was completely lost. Defensively, he was lost as well.
That is fine right now for a guy who is only gonna play in garbage time. The one thing I did like about Amadou (and it bodes well for his future) were his hands. Whether it was alley oops or rebounds, when the ball touched his hands, it stuck. I think that by his junior year, he is gonna be an outstanding rebounder.
Jockey
Two plays stuck out to me last night, a very powerful defensive rebound by Oso and the one handed rebound by Al after a missed free throw. I thought the one fast break with three touch passes near the basket and the Kolek over shoulder pass to Oso who tapped out for a wide open three were things of beauty, but I really loved those two rebounds.
Quote from: Goose on November 29, 2023, 01:08:19 PM
Jockey
Two plays stuck out to me last night, a very powerful defensive rebound by Oso and the one handed rebound by Al after a missed free throw. I thought the one fast break with three touch passes near the basket and the Kolek over shoulder pass to Oso who tapped out for a wide open three were things of beauty, but I really loved those two rebounds.
Goose, that was one of the plays I was referring to with Al. We have all seen this team constantly lose the ball under the basket on rebounds that go off a guy's hands. I think Al may change that in a couple years.
Quote from: tower912 on November 29, 2023, 09:00:53 AM
I took Oso, Kam, and Kolek leaving and inferred that it would be after this season. I fully expect Stevie back next season.
Where else would he go?
Quote from: tower912 on November 29, 2023, 09:00:53 AM
I took Oso, Kam, and Kolek leaving and inferred that it would be after this season. I fully expect Stevie back next season.
And where would Kam be going? It won't be to the league
Quote from: Tha Hound on November 30, 2023, 01:16:50 PM
And where would Kam be going? It won't be to the league
Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. Kam's got game.
His rebounding for a guard is SPECIAL. Knack for where it's going and elevates easily.
I'm imagining a lineup of Zaide at the 2, Owens at the 3, Parham at the 4 in a few years and thinking we can win rebounding battles and still turn teams over.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2024, 08:06:16 PM
His rebounding for a guard is SPECIAL. Knack for where it's going and elevates easily.
I'm imagining a lineup of Zaide at the 2, Owens at the 3, Parham at the 4 in a few years and thinking we can win rebounding battles and still turn teams over.
100%. Just mentioned his rebounding in the game thread.
He has been great tonight!
Huh. Trust the process
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2024, 08:06:16 PM
His rebounding for a guard is SPECIAL. Knack for where it's going and elevates easily.
I'm imagining a lineup of Zaide at the 2, Owens at the 3, Parham at the 4 in a few years and thinking we can win rebounding battles and still turn teams over.
I agree with this analysis
Also AWESOME getting over screens. Reminds me of how Jrue Holiday gets over screens. Into the ball handler and then gets very upright and slithers around it.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2024, 08:59:39 PM
Also AWESOME getting over screens. Reminds me of how Jrue Holiday gets over screens. Into the ball handler and then gets very upright and slithers around it.
I agree. He's going to be a great defender/player for us. He shut Pierre down, who had been giving us problems.
Live look at Oduro
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And then the freshman thing happened. I can't wait to see him as an upperclassman.
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2024, 09:31:16 PM
And then the freshman thing happened. I can't wait to see him as an upperclassman.
Yep
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2024, 09:31:16 PM
And then the freshman thing happened. I can't wait to see him as an upperclassman.
And what would that be? He gave up 1 bucket on a dribble drive in which the Providence player had an angle on him when he got the ball?
Did Zaide foul a 3 point shooter like our upperclassment did tonight?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 15, 2024, 10:00:39 PM
And what would that be? He gave up 1 bucket on a dribble drive in which the Providence player had an angle on him when he got the ball?
Did Zaide foul a 3 point shooter like our upperclassment did tonight?
His 3 was not a great choice and he was late on a couple switches. I think at the end you go with your A guys. He did and it worked.
I am a fan of Zaide. He played really good minutes tonight. He took an untimely 3, gave up an easy drive to Carter, and was pulled. Freshman stuff. As I said, I can't wait to see what more experience and more development bring out of him.
he must work out
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 15, 2024, 10:02:50 PM
His 3 was not a great choice and he was late on a couple switches. I think at the end you go with your A guys. He did and it worked.
His 3 was fine.
The drive was just a good play. Carter was patient on the Oso hedge, Oso recovered and Carter attacked, and Oso got sealed. Zaide got back in the play but wasn't able to fully get in front of Carter.
Only bad play was the 3.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2024, 10:07:58 PM
His 3 was fine.
As soon as it missed, Shaka signaled to his bench.
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2024, 10:09:02 PM
As soon as it missed, Shaka signaled to his bench.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 15, 2024, 10:10:10 PM
Shaka disagreed.
Are you going to trust Shaka or me?
He can shoot and was wide open. Hardly a bad shot.
🙄🙄🙄
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2024, 08:06:16 PM
His rebounding for a guard is SPECIAL. Knack for where it's going and elevates easily.
I'm imagining a lineup of Zaide at the 2, Owens at the 3, Parham at the 4 in a few years and thinking we can win rebounding battles and still turn teams over.
We had a few Marquetters over for tonight's game and for a few minutes there, Zaide was the talk of the group. He had a really nice stretch.
But let's be honest ... even if all those guys you named turn out to be superstars, we'll only be any good if Shaka hits the portal for a few aircraft carriers who shoot midrange J's.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2024, 10:07:58 PM
His 3 was fine.
The idea of the 3 was fine. I'm not sure if scared is the word for how he looked, but everyone in the arena and at home knew that shot wasn't going in, including Zaide.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 15, 2024, 10:02:50 PM
His 3 was not a great choice and he was late on a couple switches. I think at the end you go with your A guys. He did and it worked.
Yeah - Not sure I agree that his 3 was a bad shot. It was an open look, and was right on target in a game he made his first one. He's got great form and arc on his jumper which I feel makes him a solid shooter.
Shaka definitely chose to ride the vets and it worked down the stretch. However, I don't feel Joplin was on his game at all in the second half. As a reuslt, I still would have been fine riding Zaide.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 15, 2024, 10:14:39 PM
Yeah - Not sure I agree that his 3 was a bad shot. It was an open look, and was right on target in a game he made his first one. He's got great form and arc on his jumper which I feel makes him a solid shooter.
Shaka definitely chose to ride the vets and it worked down the stretch. However, I don't feel Joplin was on his game at all in the second half. As a reuslt, I still would have been fine riding Zaide.
If that's a first half shot it's fine. But time and situation made it not a great shot. Kam and Jop can take that, but even that, had a chance to run clock while holding onto a lead and still plenty of time to get a great look. Certainly wasn't a crazy bad shot, but would've liked a longer possession there.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 15, 2024, 10:14:08 PM
The idea of the 3 was fine. I'm not sure if scared is the word for how he looked, but everyone in the arena and at home knew that shot wasn't going in, including Zaide.
Yeah if that were Kam or Jop, it would have at least been shot with confidence. Even Chase.
English was happy to give up that shot.
It simply was too early in the clock in that situation, and just plain unnecessary. You can get that shot any time. It did Providence a favor.
Ok, maybe I was wrong.
I didn't have an issue with the shot itself but in terms of the situation and time on the clock perhaps it wasn't the best decision.
I still don't hate the shot and love he had the confidence to take it.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2024, 10:21:44 PM
Ok, maybe I was wrong.
I didn't have an issue with the shot itself but in terms of the situation and time on the clock perhaps it wasn't the best decision.
I still don't hate the shot and love he had the confidence to take it.
But he didn't have the confidence. It was a tentative effort with a wonky follow through.
It just felt the moment was getting a little big for him. And that's fine. He's going to be solid.
What happened to Ben when he was weak and unsure with the ball, leading to a turnover? He got pulled immediately and talked to. No shame. Young guys have a shorter leash.
Zaide played very well in the first half and got extended play as the team went on a run with him on the floor. He got run in the second half until those two plays. The way of the world. He will be very good.
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2024, 07:32:32 AM
What happened to Ben when he was weak and unsure with the ball, leading to a turnover? He got pulled immediately and talked to. No shame. Young guys have a shorter leash.
This was a revealing moment, for both Shaka and Oso.
Oso grabbed Ben on the way to the bench and talked to him. Shaka used the bench as a reset, not a punishment. Ben was right back in, Oso was right back building him up. Next trip he kicked it to Ben for a corner three.
Culture.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 16, 2024, 08:25:01 AM
This was a revealing moment, for both Shaka and Oso.
Oso grabbed Ben on the way to the bench and talked to him. Shaka used the bench as a reset, not a punishment. Ben was right back in, Oso was right back building him up. Next trip he kicked it to Ben for a corner three.
Culture.
I think it was later in the game when Ben was put in and immediately inbounded the ball to Oso. It struck me that while dribbling, Oso waited for Ben to run by and high fived him...again, while dribbling. I assume there was a specific conversation the two had before that but I couldn't help thinking about how lots of players talk about being leaders and others just do it.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 16, 2024, 08:38:10 AM
I think it was later in the game when Ben was put in and immediately inbounded the ball to Oso. It struck me that while dribbling, Oso waited for Ben to run by and high fived him...again, while dribbling. I assume there was a specific conversation the two had before that but I couldn't help thinking about how lots of players talk about being leaders and others just do it.
And Ben hit a 3 that play. Also remember that.
Culture.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 16, 2024, 10:05:04 AM
And Ben hit a 3 that play. Also remember that.
Culture.
Ben Gold has hit his last seven three point attempts.
Quote from: bradforster on March 16, 2024, 10:17:38 AM
Ben Gold has hit his last seven three point attempts.
Huh
A solid foundation can be built with bricks.
I'm glad Gold Brick and Dung Stevie took Willie's criticisms to heart and started playing well.
Thank you for your service, Willie.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 16, 2024, 11:07:54 AM
I'm glad Gold Brick and Dung Stevie took Willie's criticisms to heart and started playing well.
Thank you for your service, Willie.
In classic Dung Willie fashion, it was Brick Gold
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 16, 2024, 08:38:10 AM
I think it was later in the game when Ben was put in and immediately inbounded the ball to Oso. It struck me that while dribbling, Oso waited for Ben to run by and high fived him...again, while dribbling. I assume there was a specific conversation the two had before that but I couldn't help thinking about how lots of players talk about being leaders and others just do it.
Oso has become such a great leader........you see it time and again almost every game.
Quote from: MuMark on March 16, 2024, 03:19:03 PM
Oso has become such a great leader........you see it time and again almost every game.
What's great is seeing everyone grow on that leadership and teammate front. Absolutely amazing that not only are we seeing player skill development each year, but also the mental fortitude and leadership attributes being fostered and flourishing as well.
THAT is the biggest EGB.
Plays good, stays in. Ben makes a soft mistake, comes out. Pretty straightforward when you come off the bench.
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2024, 06:17:27 PM
Plays good, stays in. Ben makes a soft mistake, comes out. Pretty straightforward when you come off the bench.
Watched Bo Ryan do it for 15 years