Didn't need the desperation 3.
Call time-out and get a quick 2 and try to extend the game.
MU acted like there were 5 seconds left in the game after that rebound bucket
There were 6.3. This is a plastic man reach.
Next time they meet, make the other four guys beat you.
I think he's talking about the first Kolek three not the last Kam Jones three
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on November 22, 2023, 06:23:09 PM
Didn't need the desperation 3.
Call time-out and get a quick 2 and try to extend the game.
MU acted like there were 5 seconds left in the game after that rebound bucket
Kisses your way baby...
I prefer no timeout. Don't let Purdue set their defense.
Marquette outscored Purdue 1.24 to 0.97 PPP in the second half. The idea that we put a foot wrong in the second is idiotic. Though I suppose NLW is an idiot...
After just giving up an offensive rebound on a free throw, you want to extend the game?
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 22, 2023, 07:20:01 PM
After just giving up an offensive rebound on a free throw, you want to extend the game?
I mean that one was an incredible unlucky bounce. Marquette boxed out but the ball clanked off the back rim right into Edey's hands
A bit unhinged OP but the discussion of the strategy is warranted. Shaka said postgame he trusted the players to make the plays. Great philosophy, not sure I agree with the situational as I think it's 50/50.
In retrospect, the last two MU possessions were disorganized and ragged after that incredible run back. A time out gives the team a chance to gather their legs and to discuss all the options. On the other hand it allows Purdue time to set its defense and decide if to foul up three.
On the missed free throw, a time out was a must as it was halter shelter and you had another time out to advance the ball. I have to admit I was pissed.
Not sure what a time out has to do with trust there but maybe the team practices that regularly and they discussed end of game options in a previous stoppage. Didn't look like it.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 22, 2023, 09:21:06 PM
A bit unhinged OP but the discussion of the strategy is warranted. Shaka said postgame he trusted the players to make the plays. Great philosophy, not sure I agree with the situational as I think it's 50/50.
In retrospect, the last two MU possessions were disorganized and ragged after that incredible run back. A time out gives the team a chance to gather their legs and to discuss all the options. On the other hand it allows Purdue time to set its defense and decide if to foul up three.
On the missed free throw, a time out was a must as it was halter shelter and you had another time out to advance the ball. I have to admit I was pissed.
Not sure what a time out has to do with trust there but maybe the team practices that regularly and they discussed end of game options in a previous stoppage. Didn't look like it.
Maybe I'm missing a game that would change my mind here, but the last two seasons, late game, close ball game situations that dictate some type of coaching move, have been less than ideal. Not much to complain about with Shaka, but that has shown itself a few times now (wrong guy taking the ball out as an example).
Quote from: DegenerateDish on November 22, 2023, 09:52:33 PM
Maybe I'm missing a game that would change my mind here, but the last two seasons, late game, close ball game situations that dictate some type of coaching move, have been less than ideal. Not much to complain about with Shaka, but that has shown itself a few times now (wrong guy taking the ball out as an example).
Maybe our definitions of "late game, close game" are different, but we've had big possessions under a minute in two games this year. Sean hit a three the first time. Today went worse.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 22, 2023, 10:05:38 PM
Maybe our definitions of "late game, close game" are different, but we've had two big possessions under a minute in two games this year. Both times Shaka let it ride and both times Sean hit a big 3
I would stand corrected then, I didn't get to see the UCLA game. Appreciate you pointing it out.
I'm sure if Shaka had called a timeout, Painter would've fouled up 3. Just didn't love the last two possessions, but I'm probably just being overly critical.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on November 22, 2023, 10:15:27 PM
I would stand corrected then, I didn't get to see the UCLA game. Appreciate you pointing it out.
I'm sure if Shaka had called a timeout, Painter would've fouled up 3. Just didn't love the last two possessions, but I'm probably just being overly critical.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/purdue/2023/11/22/purdue-basketball-wins-maui-invitational-no-1-ranking-marquette-matt-painter-lance-jones-zach-edey/71683252007/#
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 22, 2023, 06:37:43 PM
I prefer no timeout. Don't let Purdue set their defense.
I do not like timeouts to set up final plays. It allows the other team to set up their defense. Part of practice should be what you are going to do at end of half and end of game.
I especially don't like the late game timeout when you are down three and it gives the other team time to set up their strategy to foul.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 23, 2023, 06:15:52 AM
I especially don't like the late game timeout when you are down three and it gives the other team time to set up their strategy to foul.
Or put Edey on the inbounder from the SLOB, which pretty much eliminates a pass to create something vs. just getting the ball in.
I think a timeout with 15 seconds left would have been fine. Painter probably wouldn't foul that early, and even if he had, there's enough time.
With time running out and you need to get up court, you want the ball in Sean's hands. Shaka did this multiple times last year. Most times it worked.
Kolek in particular was completely gassed. Jump shots were uncharacteristically off.
NoLongWarriors is in left field. Al would have total admiration for this team.
Yeah, it would have been the game if Shaka hit those last shots.
Bench the choker
🙄
I think Shaka is a very good coach for getting game plans established and in game adjustments. As for late game decisions, I prefer no TO's but that is me. Was talking with son earlier this week and it is virtually impossible for a coach to be everything, great recruiter, game plans, knowing your players and a perfect late game coach. IMO, Shaka checks more boxes than almost anyone out there and he will only continue to get better.
Bottom line, I love the fact that he has put together a roster than can beat any team in the country. Six games into the season and I do not think there are many teams that would beat this team in a best of seven series and that has not been the case in nearly 50 years.
There have been two times I've disagreed with Shaka in endgame situations. Not fouling against Creighton his first year, and running the same play twice against UW last year.
The timeout thing last night can go either way. Like I said, the second to last possession would have been the time to call it. Tyler was gassed and made a questionable decision. But they have a smart, veteran team. I can see why he trusts them.
Shaka had his 5 starters on the floor on the end. They know their concepts and themes cold. The first team all American point guard had the ball in his hands on one possession. He missed. The offensive savant had the ball in his hands the other time. He missed. Alas.
Shaka has discussed "resulting" before.
Annie Duke(poker player).
Because Kam missed the last second heave does NOT mean he should have called a TO.
As others have said...veteran team....all on the court......Painter would have fouled up 3....Edey on the ball....you take your chances and you live with it.
I love letting the guys play and not taking the timeout. It just seemed like Kolek's 3 was rushed and they might've gotten a better look cuz there was 16 seconds left but I trust the guy and I ride with him. A moving screen like Purdue was setting all game could've helped too
This should be simple: don't feed the troll.
Quote from: tower912 on November 23, 2023, 08:05:18 AM
Shaka had his 5 starters on the floor on the end. They know their concepts and themes cold. The first team all American point guard had the ball in his hands on one possession. He missed. The offensive savant had the ball in his hands the other time. He missed. Alas.
This is one of the biggest reasons I'm so bullish on this group, and there's lots of reasons. But mostly it's because all of them know exactly who they are and what they are trying to do on both sides of the ball. Reminds me of Nova's best teams.
When watching other teams, if you take away their first or second action they can get kind of lost for the rest of the possession. MU (and Purdue for the most part) seamlessly transition into their third, fourth and fifth actions. It's impressive.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on November 23, 2023, 09:57:09 AM
This should be simple: don't feed the troll.
There is a troll?
I know NLW draws plenty of ire on the Scoop, but I ask posters to cut him some slack this Thanksgiving.
Some of us here know that he's had a very difficult time with his family life in recent years. We are praying for them. I hope the kids came around and you were all able to break bread at Thanksgiving this year. It's never too late to improve as a father, and I know NLW has been working hard in that regard. Happy Thanksgiving.
I have no problem with the way it played out.......but Kolek did say in retrospect he wished he had taken it to the rim. The no timeout strategy makes getting to the rim much easier then taking it out of bounds. If they call timeout they would have likely ended up with a more difficult 3 than the one they got.
"The first shot, for myself, I'd like to get to the basket," Kolek said. "There's enough time, maybe 15 seconds left, you can get a layup on that.
Then go down and play. They missed free throws. They missed both of them... so you go down and hit a layup, those free throws are hard to make. There's a lot of pressure on them. It's not the same as with 18 minutes left on the game clock.
"So get in the paint, then it's a one-point game. They miss a free throw. Two threes ... maybe those looks we wanted. So kind of getting my team organized at the end of the game ......
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 23, 2023, 11:11:14 PM
I know NLW draws plenty of ire on the Scoop, but I ask posters to cut him some slack this Thanksgiving.
Some of us here know that he's had a very difficult time with his family life in recent years. We are praying for them. I hope the kids came around and you were all able to break bread at Thanksgiving this year. It's never too late to improve as a father, and I know NLW has been working hard in that regard. Happy Thanksgiving.
Smart kids imo. Must get that from their mom.
But then again, how smart can she be?
So having family problems leads to a grown man wondering onto a college sports forum where he trashes the team and coaches with 25 plus spam posts every time we lose?
Quote from: Johnny B on December 02, 2023, 03:20:31 PM
So having family problems leads to a grown man wondering onto a college sports forum where he trashes the team and coaches with 25 plus spam posts every time we lose?
I'd say it's the other way around
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 23, 2023, 11:11:14 PM
I know NLW draws plenty of ire on the Scoop, but I ask posters to cut him some slack this Thanksgiving.
Some of us here know that he's had a very difficult time with his family life in recent years. We are praying for them. I hope the kids came around and you were all able to break bread at Thanksgiving this year. It's never too late to improve as a father, and I know NLW has been working hard in that regard. Happy Thanksgiving.
What's the backstory here?