Poll
Question:
Which home-and-home would you rather see?
Option 1: Notre Dame series continued
votes: 38
Option 2: Duke (or another marquee name)
votes: 60
This week there's been a lot of talk about how Jon Scheyer is looking to schedule prominent home-and-home series now that he's taken over Duke, something K was reticent to do. With Marquette on the ascent, it's possible if they were looking for a prominent opponent that we would be on the short list, particularly given we play in one of the most state-of-the-art venues in college basketball. We signed a 2-year deal to renew the Notre Dame series, but clearly they aren't yet a marquee opponent, despite the history. So which would you rather play?
- Notre Dame: One of Marquette's most prominent historic opponents and in the near-future what looks like a near automatic win. If nothing else, they provide an annual reason for chili to say "ND Sucks." However they provide little resume benefit and are unlikely to provide actually entertaining games until Shrewsberry turns it around.
- Duke: Much higher chance of a loss, but would be a great ticket at home and playing in Cameron would be an epic opportunity. Almost certain to be a high-value win and minimal resume damage loss.
As great of a couple years these two will be I expect us to fall back to the receiving votes - #15 range next year. Due to that I'd rather keep the ND series alive for sentimental value.
If I'm wrong and we hit end up staying in the top 10 range after Oso and TKO then I'm on board for Duke games.
We have ND for an additional two years after this year? I thought this year was the end of it.
I say keep ND and build the rivalry even more. Also, the game at ND last year was a blast. Selfishly, I'd love to do that every other year
ND Sucks will only be down for a limited time. I would prefer we lock in a long term series against them. Maybe even move to a neutral setting like Chicago.
Screw ND. If they want to play BE teams, they can join. Otherwise let them rot with Louisville.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 11, 2023, 04:48:33 PM
ND Sucks will only be down for a limited time. I would prefer we lock in a long term series against them. Maybe even move to a neutral setting like Chicago.
Why the hell would you move it to a neutral site? Idiotic
Galway
Why will MU be back to the range you noted?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 11, 2023, 04:58:59 PM
Why the hell would you move it to a neutral site? Idiotic
Don't insult the dead
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 11, 2023, 05:36:53 PM
Don't insult the dead
If Notre Dame doesn't want to do home-and-homes, drop them. Don't waste games in neutral sites against Notre Dame. This isn't football
Given our upcoming schedule, I will take the easier win against ND for this season.
Illinois, Texas and UCLA are tough matchups for our roster with their size. UW road game. Then who knows who else we see in Hawaii. I'll just take a win.
At the ND game today against WCU. My son played with a player on NDs squad. WCU looked good. ND looked young and not that good. WCU is top 150 in Kenpom. ND is now top 200 Kenpom. MU should destroy ND. Looking forward to the game in Milwaukee.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 11, 2023, 05:40:31 PM
Given our upcoming schedule, I will take the easier win against ND for this season.
Illinois, Texas and UCLA are tough matchups for our roster with their size. UW road game. Then who knows who else we see in Hawaii. I'll just take a win.
Sure, but this is about going forward. If next year we could either be starting a home-and-home on the road, would you rather return to South Bend or head down to Durham?
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 11, 2023, 06:24:31 PM
Sure, but this is about going forward. If next year we could either be starting a home-and-home on the road, would you rather return to South Bend or head down to Durham?
Ahhh. Then gimme Duke.
No idea if the buzz around Marquette will last, but scheduling teams like Duke is one way to make sure it does.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 11, 2023, 05:38:32 PM
If Notre Dame doesn't want to do home-and-homes, drop them. Don't waste games in neutral sites against Notre Dame. This isn't football
No disagreement, just respect the dead.
Quote from: Goose on November 11, 2023, 04:59:48 PM
Galway
Why will MU be back to the range you noted?
I think that Sean's a great athlete but i don't think he's the PG of a top 10 team. I also think it's likely Kam leaves after the year (just a gut feeling) which means likely a rebuilding year or two. Don't think we'll be bad by any means.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 11, 2023, 06:49:25 PM
No disagreement, just respect the dead.
The dead are suckers and losers
Galway
OK. Time will tell.
ND sucks
Let's keep kicking the sh1t out of them.
Why not (as my father-in-law used to say) da boata dem?
Quote from: Goose on November 11, 2023, 04:59:48 PM
Galway
Why will MU be back to the range you noted?
Because he's COLE.
No one excepted last years roster to get to #6. No one (two year ago) thought this team would be preseason T-5. We've got some good players, but they weren't 5 star world beaters. They have become a great team because Shaka put them all together.
Will we be T-5 every year forever? Of course not. Will we be next year? Who knows? But I wouldn't count out being T-5 in ANY GIVEN YEAR as long as Shaka is at the helm. I'll wait and see what happens on the floor.
What happens on the court is all that matters. It's where you finish that counts. This year I'm excited by the hype - but we need to win some games the next few weeks to earn that - winning at Ill with a less than 100% TK would be a great start.
I'll take Duke or a marquee team...More so for selfish reasons however for road trip opportunities....
1SE
I wanted Galway to admit he's Cole. Unfortunately, I think there are some MU backers that think Shaka caught lightning in a bottle and this one this is probably a one time run. This program is built for long term success, and it is just getting started.
I remember many on here feeling that MU could not have a program like Nova or Gonzaga and I never understood that thinking. As I mentioned last week, I hope they win a natty this year, but if not, there will be more opportunities in the Shaka era.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 11, 2023, 04:13:21 PM
As great of a couple years these two will be I expect us to fall back to the receiving votes - #15 range next year. Due to that I'd rather keep the ND series alive for sentimental value.
If I'm wrong and we hit end up staying in the top 10 range after Oso and TKO then I'm on board for Duke games.
You're stuck in Wojo expectations. Lets have fun my guy!
Screw No Dick.
Keep ND. Shrewsberry is a good coach and will have them at the top of the ACC in a couple of years. Downside of ND right now, is it's not much of a road environment. It sucked playing Purdue again last year, but Mackey was so loud and I think it helped for conference season. So any opponent with a passionate fanbase for a non conference road game is fine by me.
Quote from: Goose on November 12, 2023, 12:53:00 AM
I remember many on here feeling that MU could not have a program like Nova or Gonzaga and I never understood that thinking.
I remember, too, because "We can be the Next Nova" was a regular theme of mine. Some really shat on it, too, as they operated under the belief that Jay Wright walked in Nova's door and immediately got them 2 national titles. Same with Gonzaga; there is absolutely no fundamental reason Marquette couldn't replicate their success.
We have the resources, the history, the fanbase, the alumni support, the administration support, and now the right coach.
We Are Marquette!
New application for COLE club president.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 11, 2023, 04:13:21 PM
As great of a couple years these two will be I expect us to fall back to the receiving votes - #15 range next year. Due to that I'd rather keep the ND series alive for sentimental value.
If I'm wrong and we hit end up staying in the top 10 range after Oso and TKO then I'm on board for Duke games.
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 12, 2023, 08:16:58 AM
New application for COLE club president.
It's not unrealistic if they lose Tyler and Oso. I still suspect 1-2 others could test the NBA waters as well.
That said, I wouldn't expect a significant drop but Galway isn't completely wrong.
As for the topic on hand, give me a Duke home-and-home over Notre Dame everyday of the week. And burn any idiotic neutral site game BS with Notre Dame
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2023, 08:26:30 AMAs for the topic on hand, give me a Duke home-and-home over Notre Dame everyday of the week. And burn any idiotic neutral site game BS with Notre Dame
Aside from conference tournaments (that should still be played at a conference venue) and the NCAA tournament, I would do away with neutral site games altogether given the choice. In terms of product quality, CBB will never match the NBA, but it can generate an atmosphere and pageantry that pro sports cannot match. Get rid of the made for TV "events" at the Pentagon, United Center, or even the MTEs and put the games at true home court sites. Better for the game in the long run.
Quote from: Goose on November 12, 2023, 12:53:00 AM
1SE
I wanted Galway to admit he's Cole. Unfortunately, I think there are some MU backers that think Shaka caught lightning in a bottle and this one this is probably a one time run. This program is built for long term success, and it is just getting started.
I remember many on here feeling that MU could not have a program like Nova or Gonzaga and I never understood that thinking. As I mentioned last week, I hope they win a natty this year, but if not, there will be more opportunities in the Shaka era.
Yep. No reason we can't br a program w title aspirations every year. No reason we can't be the next "new" blueblood
MU has already had a program like Villanova and Gonzaga, in a prior cycle. I know, I know, different era, different circumstances----no one needs to remind me of that. But as MU82 so correctly pointed out, the fundamentals are in place in Milwaukee now so that Marquette has an opportunity to join Nova and the Zags as an elite program-----practice facilities and a game day facility that take a backseat to no one; strong conference affiliation; alumni and institutional support; strong history-----and the most important thing, the perfect coach to tie everything together. The next step in the Nova/Zags model is sustainability and that chapter is just starting to be written.
As an aside, I'm a 47 year STH and I'm at every game. I cannot ever recall two "buy games" at the start of a season that had the attendance numbers and the "juice" in the Fiserv that were there for NIU and Ryder. An Irish wake is usually louder than those 2 games would be, but not this year. This fan base is definitely revved up for big things. Love the anticipation.
Dribbler
Everything is in place for MU to be a top ten program for the next decade. The excitement level is a very high level and everyone should enjoy the ride.
Quote from: Goose on November 12, 2023, 12:53:00 AM
1SE
I wanted Galway to admit he's Cole. Unfortunately, I think there are some MU backers that think Shaka caught lightning in a bottle and this one this is probably a one time run. This program is built for long term success, and it is just getting started.
I remember many on here feeling that MU could not have a program like Nova or Gonzaga and I never understood that thinking. As I mentioned last week, I hope they win a natty this year, but if not, there will be more opportunities in the Shaka era.
With all due respect Goose, if I searched through your history we could find your expectations going into 09-10 when we lost an all American and two all conference players. Maybe you had high expectations that year but I doubt it. Given that I expect Kam to leave along with Oso and Tyler I'd think it's a fairly comparable situation.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on November 12, 2023, 01:56:03 AM
You're stuck in Wojo expectations. Lets have fun my guy!
Saying a rebuild year would happen isn't Wojo expectations its realism. Saying we have a decent but not banner raising year is hardly Wojo expectations.
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 12, 2023, 08:16:58 AM
New application for COLE club president.
::)
Galway
To be honest, I do not remember my being bullish or bearish that year. My optimism now is based off of who is leading the program, player retention, player development and recruiting. Of course there can be down years, but I believe the system is in place and I will wait until a roster is set before calling a down year.
Trust me, not ripping you at all. I might just be more optimistic with the system and will trust it until proven otherwise.
Galway said the "drop off" would still have them #15-ORV. That's still pretty damn good after losing multiple starters.