I'm planning a short trip to Milwaukee around the Creighton game. I haven't been to campus since 1993. I'm taking my adult son and I am looking forward to showing him around. Obviously, we'll look around campus and I'll show him some of the places that I remember and we'll look at the many new buildings since my last visit (the Al, the Annex, new library, etc.). I also want to show him some places I used to go...but looking around the map of the area, most are gone. Real Chili and Miss Katie's are on the list. We'll grab a beer at Caffrey's (fka The Ardmore...and I think it was also The Gym since I left). Beyond, that, there doesn't seem to be too many places right around campus that have survived. Am I missing any?
For those who live in Milwaukee and those who visit frequently, any recommendations (with an eye toward early 90s MU nostalgia - but new is fine too). Anything new on campus that I wouldn't want to miss? Any new places in the area that we should try? We're staying near Fiserv, so downtown is also on the table. Our time is limited and we won't have a car, so we're going to focus on the campus area and downtown. We'd appreciate your recommendations.
I did a similar walking tour last year before the Xavier game. With all of the changes, it isn't what you remember. And that is OK. Wander around with one eye toward the progress and changes, and one toward what was and nostalgia.
Quote from: tower912 on November 01, 2023, 08:30:44 AM
I did a similar walking tour last year before the Xavier game. With all of the changes, it isn't what you remember. And that is OK. Wander around with one eye toward the progress and changes, and one toward what was and nostalgia.
That's really my plan. But the more I look at the map of the surrounding area, the progress and change eye is going to be very busy and the nostalgia eye...not so much. And, like you said, that's OK. I'm excited to see all the changes.
For nostalgia, there are a few places
on campus that I'd like to visit and see - Joan of Ark, Gesu, Helfaer Theater (I worked there), Haggerty Museum (same), Johnston Hall (spent a lot of time there), Rec Center (same), and AMU. In the campus area, the only places I saw in a quick look at the map where I spent much time were Miss Katie's and The Ardmore (which is now Caffrey's). And is that Murphy's on Wells in the space where the Gym used to be? And of course Real Chili is an institution.
I honestly didn't spend a lot of time downtown so I don't have too many memories of a lot of those places. We used to go to John Hawks pub from time to time, but that's long gone. I think I probably went to the Safe House a time or two...but I can't honestly say for sure.
The point of my original post was to see if there are any nostalgic places around campus that I might have missed in my quick look, but also to see if there is anything new that I should check out.
I wouldn't bother stopping at the Annex, honestly. But as tower said, take a stroll through, it's amazing how much has changed in the last 15 years.
In terms of downtown stops, it depends on what you're looking for. Bars? Food options?
On a return trip about 5 years ago, my wife and I got a tour of Johnston Hall - where we had spent a significant amount of time as MU students.
The amount of change was incredible and fascinating, especially in the student media area. They now have multi-media studios and all kinds of tech that make it look more like the set of CNN than of anything we had back in the Dark Ages.
The faculty advisor to student media gave us the tour, and we got to spend a lot of time talking to the student editors of the various media. Really enriched the experience for us.
It sounds like you're going over break, so I'm not sure such access would be available to you, but worth checking on in advance if you'd be interested in stuff like that.
But the fact that you haven't stepped foot on campus since 1993 means that you are gonna be wowed by a bazillion things. Heck, the first time we saw the new student union and the area around it was quite an experience.
Depends a lot on what you want. If you just want a feel of Milwaukee, the Public Market and Harley Museum are new but worthwhile options with dining available. There are a ton of options for a brewery tour. I'm a fan of Lakefront's tour, especially if you do it on a Friday for fish fry after, but Gathering Place in Riverwest also has a brewery tour, is run by Marquette alums, and is one of the Blue & Gold Brewing advisors that helped with the '77 production last year (and the new production this season). The Pabst Mansion will likely still have holiday decorations up and is close to campus. If you want fine dining, Sanford and Ardent are both top notch. If you want simpler fare, Sobelman's on St. Paul and Oscar's across the viaduct are solid burger joints.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 01, 2023, 09:34:03 AM
In terms of downtown stops, it depends on what you're looking for. Bars? Food options?
Yes, and yes.
The only food on my list that I feel I
need to have is Chili, and that'll probably be lunch on Friday. I drank at Ms. Katie's
far more than I ate there, so I don't really care too much if we eat there. I figure we'll grab a beer at Katie's, Caffrey's, and Murphy's. Beyond that, I'm open to suggestions. Don't want/need anything fancy. Don't want to spend a ton.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 01, 2023, 09:45:32 AM
Depends a lot on what you want. If you just want a feel of Milwaukee, the Public Market and Harley Museum are new but worthwhile options with dining available. There are a ton of options for a brewery tour. I'm a fan of Lakefront's tour, especially if you do it on a Friday for fish fry after, but Gathering Place in Riverwest also has a brewery tour, is run by Marquette alums, and is one of the Blue & Gold Brewing advisors that helped with the '77 production last year (and the new production this season). The Pabst Mansion will likely still have holiday decorations up and is close to campus. If you want fine dining, Sanford and Ardent are both top notch. If you want simpler fare, Sobelman's on St. Paul and Oscar's across the viaduct are solid burger joints.
Fantastic. Thank you. I've been hearing about Sobelman's on this site for years, so that's intriguing. And a brewery tour would be great.
Quote from: MU82 on November 01, 2023, 09:36:34 AM
On a return trip about 5 years ago, my wife and I got a tour of Johnston Hall - where we had spent a significant amount of time as an MU student.
The amount of change was incredible and fascinating, especially in the student media area. They now have multi-media studios and all kinds of tech that make it look more like the set of CNN than of anything we had back in the Dark Ages.
The faculty advisor to student media gave us the tour, and we got to spend a lot of time talking to the student editors of the various media. Really enriched the experience for us.
It sounds like you're going over break, so I'm not sure such access would be available to you, but worth checking on in advance if you'd be interested in stuff like that.
But the fact that you haven't stepped foot on campus since 1993 means that you are gonna be wowed by a bazillion things. Heck, the first time we saw the new student union and the area around it was quite an experience.
Thank you. I suspect that our on-campus options will be significantly limited by the fact that it will be while the students are gone and it will be Friday afternoon and Saturday on 12/29 and 12/30. Hopefully we'll get to see inside some of the buildings...but I'm honestly not expecting too much.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 01, 2023, 09:54:19 AM
Fantastic. Thank you. I've been hearing about Sobelman's on this site for years, so that's intriguing. And a brewery tour would be great.
If you've never been then I'd highly recommend sobelmans. I'm sure the locals will say there's better burgers in Milwaukee (Oscars cones to mind) but with it being right on St. Paul next to valley fields, it's basically campus. And it's awesome
Quote from: swoopem on November 01, 2023, 10:10:43 AM
If you've never been then I'd highly recommend sobelmans. I'm sure the locals will say there's better burgers in Milwaukee (Oscars cones to mind) but with it being right on St. Paul next to valley fields, it's basically campus. And it's awesome
Thank you. It's already on my list. I'm not asking "locals" -- I'm asking this motley crew.
I think you'll also be impressed with the beauty of the Fiserv Forum itself, both inside and out. If you haven't been here since 1993, you'll remember that area was the Bradley Center, a handful of bars/restaurants and not much else. The development that has taken place is remarkable, and they still have plans (interrupted by covid) for 3-4 additional square blocks, including immediately adjacent to Fiserv on the south.
One thing I tell people going to Fiserv for the first time is go to the far east end of the building ( above the main atrium) and then go to the uppermost tier. There is a large open concept bar and a viewing area with an open patio that provides fabulous views of downtown Milwaukee east of the river.
Enjoy your trip and safe travels.
Sobelman's/Oscar's for burgers. Other restaurants in/near downtown- Birch, Buckley's, Third Coast Provisions, Amilinda, all very solid. San Giorgio has good Neapolitan pizza. Il Cervo in the Trade Hotel by Fiserv was also pretty good. Some higher end options too as mentioned earlier.
Lakefront has the best tour, that's a bit of a walk from Fiserv but a cheap Uber. Third Space is just down the street from Sobelman's, and is an MU owned brewery. Central Waters taproom is in the old Pabst complex which has been restored. Pre/postgame can't go wrong with Good City Brewing, Brat House, or Major Goolsby's.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 01, 2023, 10:30:32 AM
I think you'll also be impressed with the beauty of the Fiserv Forum itself, both inside and out. If you haven't been here since 1993, you'll remember that area was the Bradley Center, a handful of bars/restaurants and not much else. The development that has taken place is remarkable, and they still have plans (interrupted by covid) for 3-4 additional square blocks, including immediately adjacent to Fiserv on the south.
One thing I tell people going to Fiserv for the first time is go to the far east end of the building ( above the main atrium) and then go to the uppermost tier. There is a large open concept bar and a viewing area with an open patio that provides fabulous views of downtown Milwaukee east of the river.
Enjoy your trip and safe travels.
You forget the beautiful view of The Mecca with the Blue Jay flags flying high.
I know many that go to Sobelmans more for their bloodies than the burgers.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 01, 2023, 09:45:32 AM
Depends a lot on what you want. If you just want a feel of Milwaukee, the Public Market and Harley Museum are new but worthwhile options with dining available. There are a ton of options for a brewery tour. I'm a fan of Lakefront's tour, especially if you do it on a Friday for fish fry after, but Gathering Place in Riverwest also has a brewery tour, is run by Marquette alums, and is one of the Blue & Gold Brewing advisors that helped with the '77 production last year (and the new production this season). The Pabst Mansion will likely still have holiday decorations up and is close to campus. If you want fine dining, Sanford and Ardent are both top notch. If you want simpler fare, Sobelman's on St. Paul and Oscar's across the viaduct are solid burger joints.
This. Quintessential Milwaukee. Fish fry at Lakefront is awesome. Good beer, good food, good music.
Oscar's > Sobleman's.
I'm not sure what state the Rec Center is in right now. I drove near it this past weekend and it looked like it was split in half from construction. Others may know better if it's open/operational at all right now.
I can't believe no dentist has warned you about the rampant crime yet. Good thing you won't have a car.
Quote from: pbiflyer on November 01, 2023, 11:24:57 AM
This. Quintessential Milwaukee. Fish fry at Lakefront is awesome. Good beer, good food, good music.
This is definitely top of my list. I wasn't aware of this place, but it looks fantastic. It's also fairly close to our hotel. I suspect this will be our Friday night. Thanks to those who recommended it.
Went back several years ago with our chidlren in tow.
Place isn't the same. It LOOKS like a campus now.
Found and was able to show our children the room in the language building where their parents met!
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 01, 2023, 12:24:24 PM
Went back several years ago with our chidlren in tow.
Place isn't the same. It LOOKS like a campus now.
Found and was able to show our children the room in the language building where their parents met!
French class? ;)
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 01, 2023, 12:24:24 PM
Went back several years ago with our chidlren in tow.
Place isn't the same. It LOOKS like a campus now.
Found and was able to show our children the room in the language building where their parents met!
The location where I met my wife is roughly where the Annex/Jimmy John's is right now.
For pre- and post- gaming on game day, hit Major Goolsby's and/or the Brat House.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 01, 2023, 11:34:15 AM
I can't believe no dentist has warned you about the rampant crime yet. Good thing you won't have a car.
No crime when I attended. People even parked their cars on West Wisconsin.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 01, 2023, 02:00:31 PM
No crime when I attended. People even parked their cars on West Wisconsin.
Looking east from about 15th Street I'd say. With the old Jesuit Residence foreground left and the Varsity Theater beyond that
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 01, 2023, 02:15:21 PM
Looking east from about 15th Street I'd say. With the old Jesuit Residence foreground left and the Varsity Theater beyond that
That is not even there anymore. I can remember 10th street! Now its the freeway. I envy the kids going to MU today, but back then MU was not just in the city it was part of the city.
Picture was taken in late winter 1966.
StillaWarrior
A lot of solid tips on this thread. Imo, Third Ward and enjoying the FF and Deer District would be high on my list. Will add, hot Goolsby's pregame, it is the place to go once again!!
If you and your son like a drink or two the Tiki Bar at the Public Market is Milwaukee's melting pot, a quintessential MKE dive.
The Public Market has something for everyone it's a Milwaukee treasure.
The 3rd Ward in general is great.
If Fr Naus played any role in your MU life, check out the conference room named in his honor on the first floor of the AMU (the old game room).
The Annex is largely terrible but it is well decorated so I would walk through the bar.
Beyond those suggestions there's not a ton of nostalgic spots at MU.
Many solid suggestions in this thread. A few others to consider:
Bronze Fonz - only in Milwaukee. Wells at the river... kitschy but only takes a minute to see if you are close by
3rd Street market hall - would have been the Grand Avenue Mall (on WI and 3rd) last you were in MKE
Be sure to travel down WI to the lakefront to take in the Calatrava Art Museum, Discovery World, and even Lakeshore State Park...adjacent to Summerfest grounds. Even if you didn't frequent that far east during college, that lakefront is nothing like 30 years ago. The recent construction on that side of downtown is worth a glance as well.
The Rave/Eagles Club is still around if you went to concerts there and need a shot of nostalgia.
Quote from: The Lens on November 01, 2023, 09:12:47 PM
If you and your son like a drink or two the Tiki Bar at the Public Market is Milwaukee's melting pot, a quintessential MKE dive.
The Public Market has something for everyone it's a Milwaukee treasure.
The 3rd Ward in general is great.
If Fr Naus played any role in your MU life, check out the conference room named in his honor on the first floor of the AMU (the old game room).
The Annex is largely terrible but it is well decorated so I would walk through the bar.
Beyond those suggestions there's not a ton of nostalgic spots at MU.
Yeah, I'm just not seeing a lot businesses that remain from my time there. I feel like it'll be nostalgic just to be back on campus, but obviously very different. What you suggest -- just a walk-by -- is all I had in mind for the Annex. I'm just curious to see it. It'll likely be a pitstop between a beer at the old Ardmore and the old Gym - with a bowl of hot squeezed in there somewhere.
My plans for the Annex:
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When I texted my son last night to send him info about Lakefront, he asked if it's one of the spots where I used to go. I had to break it to him that his Dad is getting a little old and that all the places I used to go are gone. lol But he loves breweries, so he's excited.
Edited to add: also the Public Market does look kind of cool. I think we may try to get over there. It's a short trip - barely 40 hours in Milwaukee (and that includes two nights). Between campus and that area (Friday afternoon), the brewery (Friday night), pregame (sounds like Goolsby's is the place to be) and the game, there's not a lot of room for much else. We'll have to figure something out for Saturday night, but that's about it.
What time do people typically start pre-gaming at Gooldby's?
StillaWarrior
Not sure what time the game starts the day are coming, but Goolsby's has been opening early for the early start games. Earlier the better.
IMO, MG is fine for a beer or two just before the game, but your mileage may vary.
I went in there pre-Xavier and left disappointed.
Quote from: Goose on November 02, 2023, 07:32:03 AM
StillaWarrior
Not sure what time the game starts the day are coming, but Goolsby's has been opening early for the early start games. Earlier the better.
It appears to be a 1:00 PM start. So, "early" like 10:00? Or early like 7:00 (like the bars did for the December 1989 game against ND)?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 02, 2023, 07:34:17 AM
IMO, MG is fine for a beer or two just before the game, but your mileage may vary.
Quote from: tower912 on November 02, 2023, 07:35:45 AM
I went in there pre-Xavier and left disappointed.
Is there another place you'd recommend? We're staying just a block away from FF. So I'm flexible. I see Sobelman's on St. Paul opens at 10:00 on Saturdays. Those Bloody Mary's look pretty nice...
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 02, 2023, 07:38:15 AM
Is there another place you'd recommend? We're staying just a block away from FF. So I'm flexible. I see Sobelman's on St. Paul opens at 10:00 on Saturdays. Those Bloody Mary's look pretty nice...
Honestly, I don't. I just wouldn't plan my day around MGs. Personally, I always preferred some of the spots along Old World 3rd, but I'm younger than Goose and not residing in MKE. Personally, I think a stop at MGs for a beer is fine, but you're limited on time as it is so stopping at the Deer District for a swig might be a bit more your son's style. Plus it's two birds with one stone. Otherwise Central Waters and Pilot Project breweries are two or three blocks west of the FF in the old Pabst area. It's pretty cool if you haven't been over there since the 90s.
Tower and Hards
There is no doubt that I have a bias for Goolsby's, but that bias did not prevent me from avoiding going there for a decade plus. I agree some great spots on Old World, but IMO, Goolsby's once again became the pregame spot for MU basketball last season.
I am somewhat surprised that tower was disappointed at the pregame for X, I thought it had a great environment. Plus, I met some legendary folks from Scoop that day.
I was two of my sons multiple times at Goolsby's pregame last year and they loved the action. They are 30 and 36 and definitely have zero bias for the place. If anything, a negative bias due to hear old stories about MG. For the first time in a long time, MG seemed like a MU basketball bar last season to me.
Quote from: Goose on November 02, 2023, 08:18:02 AM
Tower and Hards
There is no doubt that I have a bias for Goolsby's, but that bias did not prevent me from avoiding going there for a decade plus. I agree some great spots on Old World, but IMO, Goolsby's once again became the pregame spot for MU basketball last season.
I am somewhat surprised that tower was disappointed at the pregame for X, I thought it had a great environment. Plus, I met some legendary folks from Scoop that day.
I was two of my sons multiple times at Goolsby's pregame last year and they loved the action. They are 30 and 36 and definitely have zero bias for the place. If anything, a negative bias due to hear old stories about MG. For the first time in a long time, MG seemed like a MU basketball bar last season to me.
Sounds like things have improved. I think the last time I went was precovid... just felt run down and 3/4 empty. There were a few Marquette fans at the bar, but it wasn't the pregame atmosphere I had anticipated. Glad you're enjoying it, especially since it's been a downtown staple that has survived the decades.
Maybe I was the problem and it picked up and got interesting after I left.
Quote from: tower912 on November 02, 2023, 08:24:50 AM
Maybe I was the problem and it picked up and got interesting after I left.
You are pretty good at putting out fires, yeah?
Quote from: tower912 on November 02, 2023, 08:24:50 AM
Maybe I was the problem and it picked up and got interesting after I left.
I hope you were packing heat
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 02, 2023, 08:28:12 AM
You are pretty good at putting out fires, yeah?
Wet blanket.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 02, 2023, 08:20:34 AM
Sounds like things have improved. I think the last time I went was precovid... just felt run down and 3/4 empty. There were a few Marquette fans at the bar, but it wasn't the pregame atmosphere I had anticipated. Glad you're enjoying it, especially since it's been a downtown staple that has survived the decades.
IMO it's not much different. The food's not great either.
My usual place was Buck Bradley's, but now that they are closed I'm a free agent. Does the Brat House have a good pregame? Sad about this because BB's was always packed.
Sultan
BB had been my place for quite some time and sad they closed. To be clear, I do not think MG has great food or has made major updates, my enjoyment and based off of the crowd of people.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 02, 2023, 08:43:04 AM
IMO it's not much different. The food's not great either.
My usual place was Buck Bradley's, but now that they are closed I'm a free agent. Does the Brat House have a good pregame? Sad about this because BB's was always packed.
I thought you were a Mecca kind of guy! ;D
If you are looking for nostalgia, Mader's is still there and their Knight's Bar gets a good pregame action. Sharing a beer from a boot with your son would be memorable.
The Harp Irish Pub (definitely) and The Trinity are other old spots that were likely around.
The Brat House (double bubbles/MU alums) and The Old German Beer Hall are fun spots as well and have been there for a while. Turner's is always a guessing game as the venue changes restaurants every year it seems.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 02, 2023, 07:38:15 AM
Is there another place you'd recommend? We're staying just a block away from FF. So I'm flexible. I see Sobelman's on St. Paul opens at 10:00 on Saturdays. Those Bloody Mary's look pretty nice...
There are 30-35 bars/restaurants within a 4 block walk to the east and south of Fiserv Forum ( 10-12 east of the river on or near Water Street and about 20 west of the river on 3rd Street and south toward State and Wells). It'll be a cold winter day. No need to drive all over he!! looking for the perfect hamburger. If your hotel is 1 block from FF, roll out of bed about 10:30 am and start walking. You'll find something to your liking in about 2 minutes. Creighton tipoff 1:30 pm I believe. All of these places will be hopping before and after the game. If you come in Friday you'll figure all of this out Friday night .
Have fun.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 02, 2023, 09:39:42 AM
There are 30-35 bars/restaurants within a 4 block walk to the east and south of Fiserv Forum ( 10-12 east of the river on or near Water Street and about 20 west of the river on 3rd Street and south toward State and Wells). It'll be a cold winter day. No need to drive all over he!! looking for the perfect hamburger. If your hotel is 1 block from FF, roll out of bed about 10:30 am and start walking. You'll find something to your liking in about 2 minutes. Creighton tipoff 1:30 pm I believe. All of these places will be hopping before and after the game. If you come in Friday you'll figure all of this out Friday night .
Have fun.
This is 100% right.
I would include The Best Place in a nostalgia tour.
https://bestplacemilwaukee.com/
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 02, 2023, 08:43:04 AM
IMO it's not much different. The food's not great either.
My usual place was Buck Bradley's, but now that they are closed I'm a free agent. Does the Brat House have a good pregame? Sad about this because BB's was always packed.
I like Brat House. "2 for 1" beers is a nice perk. It gets pretty cramped though, although the second story helps.
Uber Tap Room was my go-to since it was not crowded and had good beer and food. Now it's an Irish bar which is meh.
I haven't tried Pilot Brewing yet, but it's a large space. Central Waters Brewery is a hit of a walk for you, but has really good beer and they have food.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 02, 2023, 10:06:51 AM
I like Brat House. "2 for 1" beers is a nice perk. It gets pretty cramped though, although the second story helps.
Uber Tap Room was my go-to since it was not crowded and had good beer and food. Now it's an Irish bar which is meh.
I haven't tried Pilot Brewing yet, but it's a large space. Central Waters Brewery is a hit of a walk for you, but has really good beer and they have food.
lol its like half a mile from the FF
I've been to Pilot Brewing a couple of time - usually post game for dinner. It's a little more of a haul, but is usually pretty crowded.
I usually hit goolsbys before the game and brat house or who's on third after. Can't really go wrong with any of the bars around there on gameday
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 02, 2023, 10:06:51 AM
I like Brat House. "2 for 1" beers is a nice perk. It gets pretty cramped though, although the second story helps.
Uber Tap Room was my go-to since it was not crowded and had good beer and food. Now it's an Irish bar which is meh.
I haven't tried Pilot Brewing yet, but it's a large space. Central Waters Brewery is a hit of a walk for you, but has really good beer and they have food.
Uncle Buck's has good food. It's owned by the same people that own Caffrey's and Murphy's.
I also like Camp bar. They have a ton of great Up North Wisconsin memorabilia in it.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 02, 2023, 10:06:51 AM
I haven't tried Pilot Brewing yet, but it's a large space.
Pilot Project that bought MKE's old space isn't a brewery it's an incubator. The original is in Chicago and they have a few independent breweries renting space to perfect their beers. It's a cool place but if the goal is to do inherently Milwaukee stuff then I'd stay away.
Quote from: swoopem on November 02, 2023, 10:28:50 AM
I usually hit goolsbys before the game and brat house or who's on third after. Can't really go wrong with any of the bars around there on gameday
Quite a distance from 12 Mile Rd. and Woodward, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 02, 2023, 10:48:13 AM
Quite a distance from 12 Mile Rd. and Woodward, aina?
It sure is but I still make it to a few games a year. I'm already locked in for Seton Hall this year January 27th
Safe travels, hey?
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 02, 2023, 10:06:51 AM
I like Brat House. "2 for 1" beers is a nice perk. It gets pretty cramped though, although the second story helps.
Uber Tap Room was my go-to since it was not crowded and had good beer and food. Now it's an Irish bar which is meh.
I haven't tried Pilot Brewing yet, but it's a large space. Central Waters Brewery is a hit of a walk for you, but has really good beer and they have food.
Brat House is my pre-game waterhole, but post game is usually too crowded ( I believe the Brat House guys ripped off the " order 1 beer get 2 mugs" concept from McSorleys Olde Ale House in the East Village NYC. That's the only other bar I've ever seen it before).
Brat House, Uncle Bucks + Camp probably are the best at recreating the Buck Bradley's experience.
Here's the deal with Goolsby's...
It's a greasy fast food burger that tastes really good but it's more like having a Kopp's / Culver's burger than a good pub burger. They skimp on silverware (plastic) and napkins (cheap cocktail napkins only) and the ketchup is generic. You're gonna find a better dining spot elsewhere and you don't always walk out feeling light. BUT that being said it's a freaking HOF museum to MKE sports in there, they have 17 different TV feeds and are really the only true sports bar in town. For instance if you're a Bengals fan, you're there every Sunday, same goes for Chargers etc. They will get you the game. Where as I think the MECCA pays for no more than 3 TV feeds.
TL;dr --- go to Goolsby's for a beer or two after. Don't be surprised if its served in a plastic cup and if you're hungover / getting drunk, smash one of their burgers. The place is great.
Also, walk through the Deer District but look don't buy. Stick to MG or the bars on MLK née Old World Street Street.
Has Buck Bradleys under the new ownership reopened yet. I just assumed that would coordinate with the start of the Bucks season??
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 02, 2023, 02:07:53 PM
Has Buck Bradleys under the new ownership reopened yet. I just assumed that would coordinate with the start of the Bucks season??
Called "Copper". Not open yet, I walked past it last week. It was supposed to open in September but they're still working on the interior.
I expect it'll be open soon, probably well before BigEast season starts.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on November 02, 2023, 02:21:51 PM
Called "Copper". Not open yet, I walked past it last week. It was supposed to open in September but they're still working on the interior.
I expect it'll be open soon, probably well before BigEast season starts.
Are they keeping the long bar???
If you are at the Aloft, Harp is right across the river, it was there when you were there and interior hasn't changed much. If Sarah is bartending tell her I said hi.
Is Turners still a post game thing?
I was so excited to go to the deer district, then I went. God talk about soulless. Jeez.
Quote from: pbiflyer on November 02, 2023, 07:27:23 PM
If you are at the Aloft, Harp is right across the river, it was there when you were there and interior hasn't changed much. If Sarah is bartending tell her I said hi.
I am -- at least Friday night. I am pretty sure that I never went there while at MU -- even if it was there when I was there. The name if awfully familiar, but I'm pretty sure that's because there's a pub here with the same name that I go to on occasion. I'm a fan of Irish pubs, so I appreciate the tip.
I'm still not sure if we're going to stay downtown on Saturday night. We fly out
very early Sunday morning, so at this point we're planning on staying out by the airport Saturday night. If we stay downtown, I could definitely see us heading across the bridge so that we'll be "stumbling distance" from the hotel.
Don't stay by the airport. All you will do is save yourself 11 minutes of commute but the cost will be your soul.
Turners is something we don't talk about. Mike Deane gave his life for that place. Tom Crean took an institution and donated $100,000 to kill it. It's so sad. It is something we don't talk about.
Quote from: The Lens on November 02, 2023, 08:44:25 PM
Don't stay by the airport. All you will do is save yourself 11 minutes of commute but the cost will be your soul.
Turners is something we don't talk about. Mike Deane gave his life for that place. Tom Crean took an institution and donated $100,000 to kill it. It's so sad. It is something we don't talk about.
In a Sunday AM it's 8 minutes. Unless you are into airport biker strip bars, stay downtown.
As for Turner's, you summed it up. My chest hurts.
Quote from: The Lens on November 02, 2023, 08:44:25 PM
Don't stay by the airport. All you will do is save yourself 11 minutes of commute but the cost will be your soul.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 02, 2023, 09:26:00 PM
In a Sunday AM it's 8 minutes. Unless you are into airport biker strip bars, stay downtown.
You both make a compelling case. I've changed the reservations. Thank you.
Honest question: will there be any diffuculty getting a 4:30 - 5:00 a.m. Uber or cab in Miwaukee on a Sunday morning. I suspect not, but I know that isn't always easy some places.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 02, 2023, 09:55:23 PM
You both make a compelling case. I've changed the reservations. Thank you.
Honest question: will there be any diffuculty getting a 4:30 - 5:00 a.m. Uber or cab in Miwaukee on a Sunday morning. I suspect not, but I know that isn't always easy some places.
Pre-book an Uber. Costs a bit more but lesson learned from Legs. Scan your work email and charge a client the extra charge as you wait.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 02, 2023, 02:26:13 PM
Are they keeping the long bar???
Yes! The long bar is preserved, as is all of the classic flavor of the beautiful old building.
https://onmilwaukee.com/articles/copper-slated-for-former-buck-bradleys
Quote from: MU82 on November 01, 2023, 09:36:34 AM
It sounds like you're going over break, so I'm not sure such access would be available to you, but worth checking on in advance if you'd be interested in stuff like that.
I've done some checking and i get the impression that
everything on campus is going to be closed down. It seems that everything is closed from December 24, through January 2. This includes AMU (and presumably the Spirit Shop). I'll be able to show him the campus -- and see exterior changes for myself -- but I don't think we'll be able to go inside any buildings (except Gesu, I'd imagine).
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on November 02, 2023, 09:39:42 AM
There are 30-35 bars/restaurants within a 4 block walk to the east and south of Fiserv Forum ( 10-12 east of the river on or near Water Street and about 20 west of the river on 3rd Street and south toward State and Wells). It'll be a cold winter day. No need to drive all over he!! looking for the perfect hamburger. If your hotel is 1 block from FF, roll out of bed about 10:30 am and start walking. You'll find something to your liking in about 2 minutes.
I zoomed in a little closer and checked street view on maps. I had no idea there were so many places in the area. Yeah, there will be no shortages of places for us to eat and drink within block of our hotel and the arena. Thanks for this information.
Thanks to everyone who provided suggestions and information. We appreciate it.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 03, 2023, 03:28:20 PM
I've done some checking and i get the impression that everything on campus is going to be closed down. It seems that everything is closed from December 24, through January 2. This includes AMU (and presumably the Spirit Shop). I'll be able to show him the campus -- and see exterior changes for myself -- but I don't think we'll be able to go inside any buildings (except Gesu, I'd imagine).
I zoomed in a little closer and checked street view on maps. I had no idea there were so many places in the area. Yeah, there will be no shortages of places for us to eat and drink within block of our hotel and the arena. Thanks for this information.
Personally, I'd still yank on the doors to see if they're locked. I just called the spirit shop and they weren't sure if they were open for that week, but she thought they were. So who really knows.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2023, 03:41:12 PM
Personally, I'd still yank on the doors to see if they're locked. I just called the spirit shop and they weren't sure if they were open for that week, but she thought they were. So who really knows.
Yeah I'd guess the AMU building itself will have its doors open. I feel like I've been in there at some odd times and times of year where things weren't "open" but you can still enter the building.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2023, 03:41:12 PM
Personally, I'd still yank on the doors to see if they're locked. I just called the spirit shop and they weren't sure if they were open for that week, but she thought they were. So who really knows.
It's in our nature to yank on doors. When we visited Xavier when he was still in high school we found an open door at Cintas, crawled under a mostly closed gate in the concourse, and explored the arena. Rest assured that if there's a way in, we'll probably find it.
Looking further, maybe a few things will be open. What the heck is a rec plex?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 03, 2023, 07:45:42 PM
It's in our nature to yank on doors. When we visited Xavier when he was still in high school we found an open door at Cintas, crawled under a mostly closed gate in the concourse, and explored the arena. Rest assured that if there's a way in, we'll probably find it.
Looking further, maybe a few things will be open. What the heck is a rec plex?
I believe that's the gym in Straz Tower. I think it was a YMCA for awhile.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 03, 2023, 07:45:42 PM
It's in our nature to yank on doors. When we visited Xavier when he was still in high school we found an open door at Cintas, crawled under a mostly closed gate in the concourse, and explored the arena. Rest assured that if there's a way in, we'll probably find it.
Looking further, maybe a few things will be open. What the heck is a rec plex?
Hah that's funny. We went to a Brewers at Reds series during what I think was our coaching search that resulted in hiring Buzz. We stopped by the Cintas and walked right in. Ran into Sean Miller, who just said, "Good to see you guys again" as we crossed paths.
Unless near a mass time, Gesu may be locked too.
Has anyone tried Indeed Brewing or Urban Harvest Brewing?
Try to get a tour of the Al.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on November 12, 2023, 10:10:58 AM
Has anyone tried Indeed Brewing or Urban Harvest Brewing?
Been awhile since I've had anything from Urban Harvest, it was fine. I prefer Indeed to them. Nice taproom too.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 12, 2023, 02:19:41 PM
Been awhile since I've had anything from Urban Harvest, it was fine. I prefer Indeed to them. Nice taproom too.
I'll second Indeed. Mobcraft is good too. Skip Broken Bat. Lakefront is overrated IMO.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 12, 2023, 02:28:40 PM
I'll second Indeed. Mobcraft is good too. Skip Broken Bat. Lakefront is overrated IMO.
Lakefront is the OG. Having said that yeah, its a bit uninspired.
Indeed is actually out of MN, IIRC.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 13, 2023, 07:11:54 AM
Lakefront is the OG. Having said that yeah, its a bit uninspired.
Indeed is actually out of MN, IIRC.
Lakefront also has an awesome location. But I just think their beer line-up need a re-work.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 13, 2023, 07:39:36 AM
Lakefront also has an awesome location. But I just think their beer line-up need a re-work.
Yeah agree. Keep RWS, Fixed Gear, and East side dark... the rest are beers I won't really ever choose.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 13, 2023, 07:39:36 AM
Lakefront also has an awesome location. But I just think their beer line-up need a re-work.
They tap some interesting ones at the brewery. Test batches of some new stuff.
The Pistachio Ale is pretty solid at Indeed. I like grabbing Sobelmans and bringing it over to Third Space.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 13, 2023, 07:39:36 AM
Lakefront also has an awesome location. But I just think their beer line-up need a re-work.
Been a while since I was there, but agree the last few times the overall line up wasn't inspiring.
That said, I recently opened one of their Black Friday specials from 2019, the Fruitcake, and it was absolutely one of the best beers I've ever had.
Thanks for the input on Indeed and Urban Harvest as well all.
Looks like I will be heading to the Great White North later this year.
Looks like they have added a ton of microbreweries.
Any to recommend? Any to avoid? Are some still Marquette connected? I am more of a ale guy than pilsner.
Looks like Mobcraft, Broken Bat and Indeed (mentioned upthread) are all close together.
Was also looking at Wizard Works.
Quote from: pbiflyer on November 16, 2023, 10:31:14 AM
Looks like Mobcraft, Broken Bat and Indeed (mentioned upthread) are all close together.
Was also looking at Wizard Works.
I'd go to Indeed in that list, and that's about it. I've yet to have a beer from the other three that I've liked.
If you wanna stay close to downtown I'd say Third Space, Eagle Park, Lakefront, Central Waters taproom in the Pabst complex. If you're willing to venture- 1840 in Bay View, Company and Amorphic in Riverwest, Hacienda on North Ave.
I'd recommend City Lights...it's in that cool tower in the Valley around 25th
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 16, 2023, 11:06:26 AM
I'd go to Indeed in that list, and that's about it. I've yet to have a beer from the other three that I've liked.
If you wanna stay close to downtown I'd say Third Space, Eagle Park, Lakefront, Central Waters taproom in the Pabst complex. If you're willing to venture- 1840 in Bay View, Company and Amorphic in Riverwest, Hacienda on North Ave.
1840 is top of my list, but I love sours, fruited sours, and gose, which they crush.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on November 16, 2023, 11:54:08 AM
I'd recommend City Lights...it's in that cool tower in the Valley around 25th
That does look cool. Might have to check that out. Sadly, it will be in winter, but that place looks like it could rock in summer.
Quote from: pbiflyer on November 17, 2023, 08:21:13 AM
That does look cool. Might have to check that out. Sadly, it will be in winter, but that place looks like it could rock in summer.
Obviously MKE is optimized for summer but there are a few really good winter options.
3 of the 4 corners of Broadway & St Paul in the 3rd Ward have cold weather seating (not sure if Wicked Hop's goes 12 months).
Benelux has domes on their roof (call ahead) and the Tiki Bar becomes an Ice bar and it's amazing.
Also the Swinging Door (2 block north) is an INCREDIBLE winter bar.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on November 16, 2023, 11:54:08 AM
I'd recommend City Lights...it's in that cool tower in the Valley around 25th
We kayaked there for my brother in law's bachelor party. It was very fun. Stopped at the Twisted Fisherman on the way back.
Quote from: pbiflyer on November 17, 2023, 08:21:13 AM
That does look cool. Might have to check that out. Sadly, it will be in winter, but that place looks like it could rock in summer.
[City Lights] is an excellent place to meet up before Brewers games. Close to Miller Park, they run a shuttle, and its pretty easy to get to from all directions.
Hopping on a plane tomorrow morning and returning to campus for the first time in 30+ years. Damn, I'm excited.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 28, 2023, 02:30:42 PM
Hopping on a plane tomorrow morning and returning to campus for the first time in 30+ years. Damn, I'm excited.
You are in for quite a surprise.
Make sure ur packin', aina?
January 10. I predict that Goolsby's will again disappoint me. ;)
Quote from: tower912 on December 28, 2023, 06:52:25 PM
January 10. I predict that Goolsby's will again disappoint me. ;)
The Mecca has plenty of room for your types
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2023, 07:05:28 PM
The Mecca has plenty of room for your types
Do they serve diet Pepsi?
Quote from: tower912 on December 28, 2023, 06:52:25 PM
January 10. I predict that Goolsby's will again disappoint me. ;)
See you there.
Quote from: tower912 on December 28, 2023, 07:07:50 PM
Do they serve diet Pepsi?
Sultan will personally serve it to you
Done deal.
Upon further review, Coke products.
Goolsby's has Pepsi. It will get a second chance.
After the game go to Elsa's on the Park . 833 North Jefferson . I like the seasoned broccoli Appetizer ( its a good size ) and The Pork Chop APV
Has anyone been to The Trade, the new hotel just North of the Fiserv?
Today we met up with some friends who were staying there, and it was beautiful. The downstairs bar was very cool (and had had dozens of beers on tap). We had dinner at the rooftop restaurant, and that was very nice as well.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 30, 2023, 09:11:22 PM
Has anyone been to The Trade, the new hotel just North of the Fiserv?
Today we met up with some friends who were staying there, and it was beautiful. The downstairs bar was very cool (and had had dozens of beers on tap). We had dinner at the rooftop restaurant, and that was very nice as well.
Haven't stayed, but have been to both the bar and restaurant for a meal and it's been solid.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 30, 2023, 09:16:12 PM
Haven't stayed, but have been to both the bar and restaurant for a meal and it's been solid.
Had our anniversary dinner at the restaurant and it was very good. I imagine that patio in the warmer months will be very cool.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 30, 2023, 09:11:22 PM
Has anyone been to The Trade, the new hotel just North of the Fiserv?
Today we met up with some friends who were staying there, and it was beautiful. The downstairs bar was very cool (and had had dozens of beers on tap). We had dinner at the rooftop restaurant, and that was very nice as well.
Yes.
Haven't stayed there but have had cocktails at all 3 of their bars on a couple of occasions after games. Very cool and a nice addition to the downtown hotel stock.
Alright, StillAWarrior... Let's hear about the trip! Hope it was a good one.
Quote from: warriorchick on December 30, 2023, 09:11:22 PM
Has anyone been to The Trade, the new hotel just North of the Fiserv?
Today we met up with some friends who were staying there, and it was beautiful. The downstairs bar was very cool (and had had dozens of beers on tap). We had dinner at the rooftop restaurant, and that was very nice as well.
The Trade is Leg$$ Territory
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 31, 2023, 10:28:58 PM
Alright, StillAWarrior... Let's hear about the trip! Hope it was a good one.
Quick answer: We had a fantastic trip! What a great game! Thank you to everyone for the recommendations.
In the event anyone is interested:
First of all - the weather couldn't have been better. Two days in Milwaukee on 12/29 and 12/30 could have been very, very different. We were able to walk everything with just a sweatshirt.
Arrived a bit after noon on Friday and got an Uber to the hotel. Walked up to campus and gave the best tour I could with everything locked up. Focused on the academic side of campus on the way up. Marveled at all the new buildings. Love the "gates" on Wisconsin at the entry to campus. The law school was particularly impressive. Made our way all the way up to Mashuda and the Pabst Mansion.
Grabbed a quick Leinenkugel at Miss Katie's. It's a sentimental thing for me, but the place is definitely showing a lot of wear and tear. Then worked our way down to Real Chili and had a bowl of hot. Wow...place really hasn't changed. The prices sure have. A bowl of hot with all the fixings is $15! It was surprisingly good and my son agreed.
Murphys and Caffreys were both closed Friday afternoon. Walked through the rest of campus. Quick pit stop at the spirit shop. Peeked in the windows of the Al (the girls were practicing).
Headed downtown to explore Milwaukee a bit. Amazed by the differences. The area has so many seemingly nice housing options fairly near MU. The big food court area in the heart of the old Grand Avenue is cool. Walked over to the Third Ward. Very, very cool. The market was hopping and everything there was impressive. Grabbed a beer and some fried cheese curds (our first time eating those) at a bar across from the public market).
After a quick stop at the hotel we walked up the river to Lakefront. Absolutely blown away by all the development and condos on the river. The tour and the fish fry at Riverfront were awesome. We sampled more than our share of their work. Lots of really good beers. Loved Eastside Lager.
Got up relatively early and walked to the lake and explored. They've done a beautiful job down there. Grabbed a quick coffee and pastry at that food court at the old Grand Avenue and then headed to Major Goolsby's for a couple pre-game beers.
Went into Fiserv as soon as the doors opened. Wow! That is far and away the nicest arena I've ever seen. Nothing else is even close. Explored all over. My daughter had hooked me up with access to the Jockey Club behind our seats so we enjoyed that. My daughter's hook-up also included a hand signed card from Shaka. I was shocked. Still am.
Then we watched the Warriors crush Creighton's spirit. Highlight of the trip! Fantastic! Fun seeing all the old players sitting about 50' from us (Diener, Novak, Chapman, Grimm, Kinsela). Very cool seeing the interaction between TyKo and Diener after the game. Those two are cut from the same cloth.
Went to Caffrey's (aka the Ardmore) and met up with some old friends for several beers. Mass at Gesu in the "lower church" (ie, basement - didn't know Gesu had a basement). Tried a couple doors and found one unlocked from the basement to the upper church and found ourselves inside Gesu with no lights. Street lights bleeding in through the stained glass...beautiful even if we really couldn't see anything.
Took an Uber to Bakistrieri's in Tosa. My wife and I used to go there from time to time. A favorite. Hasn't changed at all. Had some fantastic pizza. Back to the hotel for a quick nightcap and get ready for our 4:15 a.m. Uber.
And that's pretty much it. Almost certainly far, far more than anyone is interested in. It was a truly fantastic trip back to MU after 30+ years. I can't wait to go again. It definitely won't be 30 years before the next time.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 01, 2024, 09:20:03 AM
Quick answer: We had a fantastic trip! What a great game! Thank you to everyone for the recommendations.
In the event anyone is interested:
First of all - the weather couldn't have been better. Two days in Milwaukee on 12/29 and 12/30 could have been very, very different. We were able to walk everything with just a sweatshirt.
Arrived a bit after noon on Friday and got an Uber to the hotel. Walked up to campus and gave the best tour I could with everything locked up. Focused on the academic side of campus on the way up. Marveled at all the new buildings. Love the "gates" on Wisconsin at the entry to campus. The law school was particularly impressive. Made our way all the way up to Mashuda and the Pabst Mansion.
Grabbed a quick Leinenkugel at Miss Katie's. It's a sentimental thing for me, but the place is definitely showing a lot of wear and tear. Then worked our way down to Real Chili and had a bowl of hot. Wow...place really hasn't changed. The prices sure have. A bowl of hot with all the fixings is $15! It was surprisingly good and my son agreed.
Murphys and Caffreys were both closed Friday afternoon. Walked through the rest of campus. Quick pit stop at the spirit shop. Peeked in the windows of the Al (the girls were practicing).
Headed downtown to explore Milwaukee a bit. Amazed by the differences. The area has so many seemingly nice housing options fairly near MU. The big food court area in the heart of the old Grand Avenue is cool. Walked over to the Third Ward. Very, very cool. The market was hopping and everything there was impressive. Grabbed a beer and some fried cheese curds (our first time eating those) at a bar across from the public market).
After a quick stop at the hotel we walked up the river to Lakefront. Absolutely blown away by all the development and condos on the river. The tour and the fish fry at Riverfront were awesome. We sampled more than our share of their work. Lots of really good beers. Loved Eastside Lager.
Got up relatively early and walked to the lake and explored. They've done a beautiful job down there. Grabbed a quick coffee and pastry at that food court at the old Grand Avenue and then headed to Major Goolsby's for a couple pre-game beers.
Went into Fiserv as soon as the doors opened. Wow! That is far and away the nicest arena I've ever seen. Nothing else is even close. Explored all over. My daughter had hooked me up with access to the Jockey Club behind our seats so we enjoyed that. My daughter's hook-up also included a hand signed card from Shaka. I was shocked. Still am.
Then we watched the Warriors crush Creighton's spirit. Highlight of the trip! Fantastic! Fun seeing all the old players sitting about 50' from us (Diener, Novak, Chapman, Grimm, Kinsela). Very cool seeing the interaction between TyKo and Diener after the game. Those two are cut from the same cloth.
Went to Caffrey's (aka the Ardmore) and met up with some old friends for several beers. Mass at Gesu in the "lower church" (ie, basement - didn't know Gesu had a basement). Tried a couple doors and found one unlocked from the basement to the upper church and found ourselves inside Gesu with no lights. Street lights bleeding in through the stained glass...beautiful even if we really couldn't see anything.
Took an Uber to Bakistrieri's in Tosa. My wife and I used to go there from time to time. A favorite. Hasn't changed at all. Had some fantastic pizza. Back to the hotel for a quick nightcap and get ready for our 4:15 a.m. Uber.
And that's pretty much it. Almost certainly far, far more than anyone is interested in. It was a truly fantastic trip back to MU after 30+ years. I can't wait to go again. It definitely won't be 30 years before the next time.
Glad to hear you didn't get shot or stabbed
Glad you enjoyed your sentimental journey.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 01, 2024, 09:22:10 AM
Glad to hear you didn't get shot or stabbed
Or run into a dentist!
Awesome trip report. Glad you had a great time. Kudos for all the walking. Best way to explore cities.
StillaWarrior
Nice to see you had a great time and enjoyed MKE. You definitely were at a fun game with a great environment.
On a sidebar, it is nice seeing a good number of alums making the trip to both the FF and road games. The support for the program is incredible.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 01, 2024, 09:20:03 AM
Quick answer: We had a fantastic trip! What a great game! Thank you to everyone for the recommendations.
In the event anyone is interested:
First of all - the weather couldn't have been better. Two days in Milwaukee on 12/29 and 12/30 could have been very, very different. We were able to walk everything with just a sweatshirt.
Arrived a bit after noon on Friday and got an Uber to the hotel. Walked up to campus and gave the best tour I could with everything locked up. Focused on the academic side of campus on the way up. Marveled at all the new buildings. Love the "gates" on Wisconsin at the entry to campus. The law school was particularly impressive. Made our way all the way up to Mashuda and the Pabst Mansion.
Grabbed a quick Leinenkugel at Miss Katie's. It's a sentimental thing for me, but the place is definitely showing a lot of wear and tear. Then worked our way down to Real Chili and had a bowl of hot. Wow...place really hasn't changed. The prices sure have. A bowl of hot with all the fixings is $15! It was surprisingly good and my son agreed.
Murphys and Caffreys were both closed Friday afternoon. Walked through the rest of campus. Quick pit stop at the spirit shop. Peeked in the windows of the Al (the girls were practicing).
Headed downtown to explore Milwaukee a bit. Amazed by the differences. The area has so many seemingly nice housing options fairly near MU. The big food court area in the heart of the old Grand Avenue is cool. Walked over to the Third Ward. Very, very cool. The market was hopping and everything there was impressive. Grabbed a beer and some fried cheese curds (our first time eating those) at a bar across from the public market).
After a quick stop at the hotel we walked up the river to Lakefront. Absolutely blown away by all the development and condos on the river. The tour and the fish fry at Riverfront were awesome. We sampled more than our share of their work. Lots of really good beers. Loved Eastside Lager.
Got up relatively early and walked to the lake and explored. They've done a beautiful job down there. Grabbed a quick coffee and pastry at that food court at the old Grand Avenue and then headed to Major Goolsby's for a couple pre-game beers.
Went into Fiserv as soon as the doors opened. Wow! That is far and away the nicest arena I've ever seen. Nothing else is even close. Explored all over. My daughter had hooked me up with access to the Jockey Club behind our seats so we enjoyed that. My daughter's hook-up also included a hand signed card from Shaka. I was shocked. Still am.
Then we watched the Warriors crush Creighton's spirit. Highlight of the trip! Fantastic! Fun seeing all the old players sitting about 50' from us (Diener, Novak, Chapman, Grimm, Kinsela). Very cool seeing the interaction between TyKo and Diener after the game. Those two are cut from the same cloth.
Went to Caffrey's (aka the Ardmore) and met up with some old friends for several beers. Mass at Gesu in the "lower church" (ie, basement - didn't know Gesu had a basement). Tried a couple doors and found one unlocked from the basement to the upper church and found ourselves inside Gesu with no lights. Street lights bleeding in through the stained glass...beautiful even if we really couldn't see anything.
Took an Uber to Bakistrieri's in Tosa. My wife and I used to go there from time to time. A favorite. Hasn't changed at all. Had some fantastic pizza. Back to the hotel for a quick nightcap and get ready for our 4:15 a.m. Uber.
And that's pretty much it. Almost certainly far, far more than anyone is interested in. It was a truly fantastic trip back to MU after 30+ years. I can't wait to go again. It definitely won't be 30 years before the next time.
Thanks for this.
I felt like I was exploring Milwaukee with you.
Sounds a little like my short January 2023 visit at the end of a business trip to attend the UConn game. School was a few days from reopening so the class buildings were open but no one there.
That's a great trip and a great report, SAW!
I've been fortunate enough to get back for a game at least once a year the last many years, and I continue to be astounded by how much the campus has improved and how cool - for lack of better term - Milwaukee has become. Your post gives me a couple more places to check out on a future trip, so thanks.
As Goose said, one of the nice added benefits of Marquette's basketball renaissance has been the willingness of alums to make the effort to get to games. Three of my buddies had all but given up on the program but now they keep suggesting we go to this game or that game. We're going to 4 this season, two at home and two on the road (Butler, X), as well as hopefully some NCAAT action.
It's so damn much fun, as you eloquently stated in your post!
Excellent itinerary. Bookmark it for future return to campus visitors.
I was surprised by the Real Chili prices after the pandemic. But worth every penny.
I have not been to Real Chili in about five years and was surprised to hear $15. Would agree with Lawrence, worth every penny.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 01, 2024, 09:22:10 AM
Glad to hear you didn't get shot or stabbed
Give it a rest. If this was ever even remotely funny, it stopped being so a long, long time ago.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on January 01, 2024, 01:52:22 PM
Give it a rest. If this was ever even remotely funny, it stopped being so a long, long time ago.
I think it's funny.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on January 01, 2024, 01:52:22 PM
Give it a rest. If this was ever even remotely funny, it stopped being so a long, long time ago.
Given that we have a poster who has dedicated an entire thread to his belief that Milwaukee is a dystopian hellscape - and that any person foolish enough to step into the city will either be killed, molested or robbed ... it's pretty funny.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on January 01, 2024, 01:52:22 PM
Give it a rest. If this was ever even remotely funny, it stopped being so a long, long time ago.
It is funny as long as there is a MU crime thread.
Quote from: MU82 on January 01, 2024, 02:22:45 PM
Given that we have a poster who has dedicated an entire thread to his belief that Milwaukee is a dystopian hellscape - and that any person foolish enough to step into the city will either be killed, molested or robbed ... it's pretty funny.
And you live where?
Great to hear the trip went well! If you have a chance to take a long weekend during the summer, it's even better up here.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 01, 2024, 03:08:41 PM
Great to hear the trip went well! If you have a chance to take a long weekend during the summer, it's even better up here.
Marquette basketball plays in the summer? ;D :P
Prelude to doxxing.
Meeeechigan
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2024, 05:23:49 PM
Meeeechigan
As a Miami Dolphins fan, the Jim "Mad Dog" Mandich reference always brings a smile to my face.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 01, 2024, 09:20:03 AM
Quick answer: We had a fantastic trip! What a great game! Thank you to everyone for the recommendations.
In the event anyone is interested:
First of all - the weather couldn't have been better. Two days in Milwaukee on 12/29 and 12/30 could have been very, very different. We were able to walk everything with just a sweatshirt.
Arrived a bit after noon on Friday and got an Uber to the hotel. Walked up to campus and gave the best tour I could with everything locked up. Focused on the academic side of campus on the way up. Marveled at all the new buildings. Love the "gates" on Wisconsin at the entry to campus. The law school was particularly impressive. Made our way all the way up to Mashuda and the Pabst Mansion.
Grabbed a quick Leinenkugel at Miss Katie's. It's a sentimental thing for me, but the place is definitely showing a lot of wear and tear. Then worked our way down to Real Chili and had a bowl of hot. Wow...place really hasn't changed. The prices sure have. A bowl of hot with all the fixings is $15! It was surprisingly good and my son agreed.
Murphys and Caffreys were both closed Friday afternoon. Walked through the rest of campus. Quick pit stop at the spirit shop. Peeked in the windows of the Al (the girls were practicing).
Headed downtown to explore Milwaukee a bit. Amazed by the differences. The area has so many seemingly nice housing options fairly near MU. The big food court area in the heart of the old Grand Avenue is cool. Walked over to the Third Ward. Very, very cool. The market was hopping and everything there was impressive. Grabbed a beer and some fried cheese curds (our first time eating those) at a bar across from the public market).
After a quick stop at the hotel we walked up the river to Lakefront. Absolutely blown away by all the development and condos on the river. The tour and the fish fry at Riverfront were awesome. We sampled more than our share of their work. Lots of really good beers. Loved Eastside Lager.
Got up relatively early and walked to the lake and explored. They've done a beautiful job down there. Grabbed a quick coffee and pastry at that food court at the old Grand Avenue and then headed to Major Goolsby's for a couple pre-game beers.
Went into Fiserv as soon as the doors opened. Wow! That is far and away the nicest arena I've ever seen. Nothing else is even close. Explored all over. My daughter had hooked me up with access to the Jockey Club behind our seats so we enjoyed that. My daughter's hook-up also included a hand signed card from Shaka. I was shocked. Still am.
Then we watched the Warriors crush Creighton's spirit. Highlight of the trip! Fantastic! Fun seeing all the old players sitting about 50' from us (Diener, Novak, Chapman, Grimm, Kinsela). Very cool seeing the interaction between TyKo and Diener after the game. Those two are cut from the same cloth.
Went to Caffrey's (aka the Ardmore) and met up with some old friends for several beers. Mass at Gesu in the "lower church" (ie, basement - didn't know Gesu had a basement). Tried a couple doors and found one unlocked from the basement to the upper church and found ourselves inside Gesu with no lights. Street lights bleeding in through the stained glass...beautiful even if we really couldn't see anything.
Took an Uber to Bakistrieri's in Tosa. My wife and I used to go there from time to time. A favorite. Hasn't changed at all. Had some fantastic pizza. Back to the hotel for a quick nightcap and get ready for our 4:15 a.m. Uber.
And that's pretty much it. Almost certainly far, far more than anyone is interested in. It was a truly fantastic trip back to MU after 30+ years. I can't wait to go again. It definitely won't be 30 years before the next time.
Warrior
Glad your trip down Memory Lane was special - think about making an annual pilgrimage. You won't regret it!
Lenny's. I loved the tale of your trip Thank you
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 01, 2024, 08:49:57 PM
Warrior
Glad your trip down Memory Lane was special - think about making an annual pilgrimage. You won't regret it!
I'd recommend twice a week!
Quote from: MU82 on January 01, 2024, 05:12:48 PM
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I live in Wauwatosa. Roughly 60 blocks from the heart of Marquette's campus. I'm downtown 6 days a week.
I was just curious how you think you know more about my city than I do.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on January 01, 2024, 10:01:21 PM
Quote from: MU82 on January 01, 2024, 05:12:48 PM
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I live in Wauwatosa. Roughly 60 blocks from the heart of Marquette's campus. I'm downtown 6 days a week.
I was just curious how you think you know more about my city than I do.
I only know what I read in Doc's Crime Report thread. I'm pleasantly surprised you've survived this long given Doc's contention that Milwaukee is a dystopian hellscape and that any person foolish enough to step into the city will either be killed, molested or robbed.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on January 01, 2024, 10:01:21 PM
Quote from: MU82 on January 01, 2024, 05:12:48 PM
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Dick, get used to the entitled sunbed alumni.
I live in Wauwatosa. Roughly 60 blocks from the heart of Marquette's campus. I'm downtown 6 days a week.
I was just curious how you think you know more about my city than I do.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 01, 2024, 09:22:10 AM
Glad to hear you didn't get shot or stabbed
I'm a bit reluctant to wade into these waters given the obvious (and justified) sarcasm, but given the length of my previous post I was probably remiss to not mention my thoughts on this subject. We walked around quite a bit -- including to and from Lakefront after dark -- and I felt very safe. This was noteworthy because when I was last living in the area 30+ years ago, it wasn't particularly safe. My impression -- admittedly after only 1.5 days -- is that anyone who feels unsafe in that area simply feels unsafe in cities. We did have one occasion where we opted to not cross the street because there was someone on the other sidewalk who was yelling at the world. Absolutely par for the course in any city I've ever been in. The fact that we walked as much as we did and that was the single thing I could even mention speaks very well of the city.
Thanks for your un-crime report, SAW.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 02, 2024, 07:32:34 AM
I'm a bit reluctant to wade into these waters given the obvious (and justified) sarcasm, but given the length of my previous post I was probably remiss to not mention my thoughts on this subject. We walked around quite a bit -- including to and from Lakefront after dark -- and I felt very safe. This was noteworthy because when I was last living in the area 30+ years ago, it wasn't particularly safe. My impression -- admittedly after only 1.5 days -- is that anyone who feels unsafe in that area simply feels unsafe in cities. We did have one occasion where we opted to not cross the street because there was someone on the other sidewalk who was yelling at the world. Absolutely par for the course in any city I've ever been in. The fact that we walked as much as we did and that was the single thing I could even mention speaks very well of the city.
Glad to hear. Milwaukee, like any other major metropolitan area has its share of crime and issues that need to be addressed. Despite this, it would be against the ethos of Marquette to abandon the city
We spent a long weekend in Walker's Point last summer, in a neighborhood that I never would have walked around in when at Marquette, and I never felt unsafe.
But other parts of the city have probably seen the opposite.
Such is the way of big cities. It has always been that way and will always be that way.
Question about campus athletic facilities: I was surprised to notice a really nice weight room in the facility that is across the street from the Al. Is that where the athletes work out? Specifically basketball? I always assumed that the Al housed those types of facilities for the athletes.
Milwaukee has much to offer as both a place to live and a place to visit.
It's not like San Francisco in its prime, where everything jumps out at you. At times, one has to look for it. But to the adventurous, Milwaukee has much to offer and lots of "off the beaten path" cool.
Sure it has its problems. And there are those whose bias and bigotry keeps them ensconced safely in their world. Just makes it all the nicer for the rest of us.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 02, 2024, 09:10:04 AM
Question about campus athletic facilities: I was surprised to notice a really nice weight room in the facility that is across the street from the Al. Is that where the athletes work out? Specifically basketball? I always assumed that the Al housed those types of facilities for the athletes.
I believe it is for the non-basketball athletes. Although, I thought I saw on my season tickets pamphlet this year an opportunity to donate to a second phase that would include basketball.
As a side note, I really like how they have reflected the gothic bell tower from Marquette Hall in other buildings and structures. There are several that are different (e.g., Raynor, Cudahy, the campus "gates"), but clearly a reference to that iconic structure.
One of the downsides of Marquette's campus though is that it doesn't have a singular "look." Every building looks like it was designed independent of the rest. You see that often at public institutions, but private ones usually try to have sort of consistency.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2024, 10:00:00 AM
One of the downsides of Marquette's campus though is that it doesn't have a singular "look." Every building looks like it was designed independent of the rest. You see that often at public institutions, but private ones usually try to have sort of consistency.
They have actually been working towards that singular look. Cudahy was the last building that didn't draw from Marquette Hall as a theme. It's not like they are going to tear down perfectly good buildings because they don't "match".
Any university that is 140 years old is going to have some diversity in architectural style.
Of course not. And really the most important thing is that the buildings are functional. But even when I went through campus last year, it seemed odd to me.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 02, 2024, 09:30:24 AM
I believe it is for the non-basketball athletes. Although, I thought I saw on my season tickets pamphlet this year an opportunity to donate to a second phase that would include basketball.
The new men's basketball facility will be adjoining but the current one is primarily for LAX and golf.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 02, 2024, 10:08:00 AM
They have actually been working towards that singular look. Cudahy was the last building that didn't draw from Marquette Hall as a theme. It's not like they are going to tear down perfectly good buildings because they don't "match".
Any university that is 140 years old is going to have some diversity in architectural style.
The style of the stone is very different than the brick buildings, but the front of Cudahy has two "towers" that seem clearly inspired by the bell tower next door. I thought the design of the new engineering building was a very creative modern reflection of MU Hall. I don't really see the how MU Hall is reflected in the new business school. I'm not disagreeing with you...but can you point it out for me? Perhaps the color of the bricks?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 02, 2024, 09:10:04 AM
Question about campus athletic facilities: I was surprised to notice a really nice weight room in the facility that is across the street from the Al. Is that where the athletes work out? Specifically basketball? I always assumed that the Al housed those types of facilities for the athletes.
Technically it is the home of lacrosse and golf. However, sometimes other teams use it too. The Old Gym is the home of track, cross country, tennis and soccer. But they sometimes use the other facility too.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2024, 10:00:00 AM
One of the downsides of Marquette's campus though is that it doesn't have a singular "look." Every building looks like it was designed independent of the rest. You see that often at public institutions, but private ones usually try to have sort of consistency.
That has been a rap on Marquette since the 1960s.
It ain't what's on the outside. It's what's on the inside.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 02, 2024, 10:36:52 AM
The style of the stone is very different than the brick buildings, but the front of Cudahy has two "towers" that seem clearly inspired by the bell tower next door. I thought the design of the new engineering building was a very creative modern reflection of MU Hall. I don't really see the how MU Hall is reflected in the new business school. I'm not disagreeing with you...but can you point it out for me? Perhaps the color of the bricks?
The new Business building is a mixture of the traditional brick and modern glass design. The new Nursing school (old Business) and Health & Recreation buildings will match that style.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 02, 2024, 10:08:00 AM
They have actually been working towards that singular look. Cudahy was the last building that didn't draw from Marquette Hall as a theme. It's not like they are going to tear down perfectly good buildings because they don't "match".
Any university that is 140 years old is going to have some diversity in architectural style.
It seems like they were doing that for a while, and it was working. You can see some architectural unity from the buildings built during the first decade of the 2000s (Raynor, Al McGuire Center, Dental School, Law School), but the newer buildings are getting away from that look....The business school doesn't have that style at all. It is just super boxy with lots of glass. And the Straz Hall reno is a decidedly different style from the buildings built in 2002-2008ish. I am not a fan of the change.
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Quote from: Coleman on January 03, 2024, 10:19:08 AM
It seems like they were doing that for a while, and it was working (Raynor, Al McGuire Center, Dental School), but the newer buildings are getting away from that look....The business school doesn't have that style at all. It is just super boxy with lots of glass.
Agreed. The AHPR and PA School building definitely went away from that model.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 03, 2024, 10:23:14 AM
Agreed. The AHPR and PA School building definitely went away from that model.
Yep, those too.
Wondering if its because they are no longer using Opus.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 03, 2024, 11:24:10 AM
Wondering if its because they are no longer using Opus.
Didn't know that was the case. Do you know why? I thought MU and Opus were very tight...Our College of Engineering is named after them?
The architecture has definitely taken a huge step down. I think we will look back at these buildings as eyesores in 30 years, while Raynor, Eckstein Hall, et. al will still look nice. C'est la vie.
Quote from: Coleman on January 04, 2024, 10:08:06 AM
Didn't know that was the case. Do you know why? I thought MU and Opus were very tight...Our College of Engineering is named after them?
The architecture has definitely taken a huge step down. I think we will look back at these buildings as eyesores in 30 years, while Raynor, Eckstein Hall, et. al will still look nice. C'est la vie.
It was designed by Workshop and built by Findorff.
Why? Maybe a change in leadership at Opus. (I believe there was an alumni connection there at one point.) Maybe the BOT decided to bid out all building projects. Maybe a dissatisfaction by either party. It could be all sorts of reasons.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 04, 2024, 10:13:57 AM
Maybe the BOT decided to bid out all building projects.
Let's hope they have always done this.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 04, 2024, 01:10:06 PM
Let's hope they have always done this.
If they have used one firm for as long as they have, my guess is that they prioritized the working relationships and consistency over what could be incremental price savings. So they either didn't bid everything, or maybe they bid them out and went with Opus unless it was outrageously different than the others. But a lot of private schools will stick with one contractor.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 04, 2024, 01:18:47 PM
If they have used one firm for as long as they have, my guess is that they prioritized the working relationships and consistency over what could be incremental price savings. So they either didn't bid everything, or maybe they bid them out and went with Opus unless it was outrageously different than the others. But a lot of private schools will stick with one contractor.
Also, a lot of these buildings were built were in spurts...like the Dental School, Raynor, and the Al (I believe) were all part of one big fundraising campaign. They might have put out all of those to bid at the same time and picked one firm to design them all.
I think a lot of the new designs are built for environmental and sustainability standards.
Opus isn't quite the company they used to be. Rauenhorst passed and the Marquette stewardship left the building. They are more focused on commercial developments and real estate at this point.
They weren't given blank checks by any means from Marquette, but Gerry ensured the profit margin on Marquette work was minimal, to say the least.
After Gerry passed and the company evolved/devolved, Marquette started looking at different GCs through the COE-Construction department. Opus headquarters left Milwaukee and they don't participate in the co-op program anymore.
It was a good thing for both parties, MU is paying more for construction now than before.
Regardless, the style of buildings has nothing to do with the contractor.
Did Opus do the previous design work as well?
These things have been discussed but I saw this article this weekend:
https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2024/01/05/friday-photos-its-construction-season-on-marquette-campus/
The new nursing school (Straz) design looks similar to the new business school design. I'm not a fan of either design. Oh well. Those are the designs. (I'm all for progress and improvements.) I'm less of a fan of the location of the new business school. I'll have to wait and see with the Rec. Skeptical but hopeful.
I do like the (long overdue) Wisconsin Ave facing design update to the library.
We have a library on campus?!?!
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 04, 2024, 03:29:56 PM
I think a lot of the new designs are built for environmental and sustainability standards.
That's great. But you can have an environmental and sustainable building that still looks nice. This ain't it
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Quote from: Jay Bee on January 07, 2024, 03:31:40 PM
We have a library on campus?!?!
I was in the library almost ever day - the big chairs were perfect for taking a nap between classes without having to go back to my apartment!
Quote from: Coleman on January 08, 2024, 09:18:14 AM
That's great. But you can have an environmental and sustainable building that still looks nice. This ain't it
(https://urbanmilwaukee.com/wp-content/gallery/marquette/082.jpg)
It's still 100 times more attractive than the old nursing building.
I really don't care all that much about the outside of the building. But I have been inside the building a couple of times in the past six months and it's going to be amazing. Our nursing school (which has grown 150% since 2010) is going to have some of the best facilities in the country.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 22, 2024, 04:41:04 PM
It's still 100 times more attractive than the old nursing building.
I really don't care all that much about the outside of the building. But I have been inside the building a couple of times in the past six months and it's going to be amazing. Our nursing school (which has grown 150% since 2010) is going to have some of the best facilities in the country.
Chick, no argument with anything you said there. It is an upgrade, and I'm sure the inside will be state of the art.
That said, architecture matters.
Quote from: Coleman on January 23, 2024, 10:10:01 AM
Chick, no argument with anything you said there. It is an upgrade, and I'm sure the inside will be state of the art.
That said, architecture matters.
We used to build beautiful things, now it's an Amazon society.