Poll
Question:
Which of this year's warriors will be on a NBA roster in 12 months?
Option 1: TKO
votes: 69
Option 2: Jop
votes: 10
Option 3: Ross
votes: 23
Option 4: Gold
votes: 11
Option 5: Oso
votes: 110
Option 6: Other
votes: 7
Option 7: KAM!!!!
votes: 1
How many of this year's warriors will be on s NBA roster in 12 months time? Pick as many as you want.
Just Oso.
On an NBA roster in heading into the 24-25 regular season? I'll say 0, with 1 on a two way deal.
All of 'em, including the 2024 recruits after they bring back preps-to-pros rule.
It sucks, but Marquette won't be fielding a team in 2024-25.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090255-2024-nba-mock-draft-top-60-prospect-projections
38 and 40 are the magic numbers.
In 12 mos? Just Oso. Maybe TKO too.
Eventually? Those two, Ross and Gold.
TKO and Oso will both be on a roster...
Or at least a 2 way next season
Quote from: tower912 on October 10, 2023, 03:25:38 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090255-2024-nba-mock-draft-top-60-prospect-projections
38 and 40 are the magic numbers.
Tyler and Oso are guys who have played their way into NBVA conversations. Ben & Chase are guys with more NBA typical frames who scouts would take based on upside.
Jop - NBA body. Multi level scorer, great shooter. No brainer folks
He had better show more quickness. Speed and defense are why OMP was drafted and Lewis was not.
I am a firm believer that if Jose Perez stuck with MU he would be an NBA all star right now. His game was so smooth and transferable to that coveted NBA skillset. Off the the court he was a June bug, but also not someone to be messed with. Every time someone asks me who I think which current or former player best represents MU I always say Jose. He is the perfect model of what a athlete student should be.
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on October 11, 2023, 12:42:20 PM
I am a firm believer that if Jose Perez stuck with MU he would be an NBA all star right now. His game was so smooth and transferable to that coveted NBA skillset. Off the the court he was a June bug, but also not someone to be messed with. Every time someone asks me who I think which current or former player best represents MU I always say Jose. He is the perfect model of what a athlete student should be.
This is not a take I expected
Quote from: tower912 on October 11, 2023, 12:12:40 PM
He had better show more quickness. Speed and defense are why OMP was drafted and Lewis was not.
Two (3 including jop) completely different player profiles. Can't compare draft prospects with that group.
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on October 11, 2023, 12:42:20 PM
I am a firm believer that if Jose Perez stuck with MU he would be an NBA all star right now. His game was so smooth and transferable to that coveted NBA skillset. Off the the court he was a June bug, but also not someone to be messed with. Every time someone asks me who I think which current or former player best represents MU I always say Jose. He is the perfect model of what a athlete student should be.
I see no flaws with this take
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on October 11, 2023, 12:47:18 PM
This is not a take I expected
It's also so out there that I kind of think he's just trying to be funny...but then again this is Scoop.
Quote from: BobWildLoyalist on October 11, 2023, 12:42:20 PM
I am a firm believer that if Jose Perez stuck with MU he would be an NBA all star right now. His game was so smooth and transferable to that coveted NBA skillset. Off the the court he was a June bug, but also not someone to be messed with. Every time someone asks me who I think which current or former player best represents MU I always say Jose. He is the perfect model of what a athlete student should be.
Your printer ran out of teal
It is quality sarcasm.
For sure Oso and TKO are gone (Oso already said he is done after this year). If we go deep into March or win a natty, then we will be looking at Jop, Ross and Kam that could also leave.
Quote from: panda on October 11, 2023, 11:05:46 AM
Jop - NBA body. Multi level scorer, great shooter. No brainer folks
I really don't see him as having an NBA body.
Quote from: MUbiz on October 11, 2023, 02:07:49 PM
For sure Oso and TKO are gone (Oso already said he is done after this year). If we go deep into March or win a natty, then we will be looking at Jop, Ross and Kam that could also leave.
I don't think TKO is for sure gone. My guess is that unless he is a surefire first or early second round pick, he'll use his COVID year.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 11, 2023, 05:31:07 PM
I really don't see him as having an NBA body.
It may be time for your eye doctor appointment
Quote from: panda on October 11, 2023, 11:05:46 AM
Jop - NBA body. Multi level scorer, great shooter. No brainer folks
You are a basketball savant.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 11, 2023, 08:19:18 PM
You are a basketball savant.
Everyone considered Galileo a heretic. Until they saw the light...
Quote from: panda on October 11, 2023, 08:39:09 PM
Everyone considered Galileo a heretic. Until they saw the light...
Galileo's crime was lookin up the truth
Quote from: lawdog77 on October 12, 2023, 10:36:57 AM
Galileo's crime was lookin up the truth
If you could get Wade, Jae, Diener, Wes, and Jimmy as the guys talking it'd be awesome.
DJO, Lazar, Jerel wouldn't be bad to have in there too.
I mean when we cut down the nets at least two, and maybe three will be hearing their name called. That natty boost is real - just ask Nova 2018.
What NBA roster is a 6"9 forward with absolutely zero jump shot playing on? I just don't see it at all. What comparable player is playing in the league right now? It's not like he has unseen post game skills athleticism. Amazing college player tho no doubt.
Quote from: Johnny B on October 13, 2023, 12:13:54 PM
What NBA roster is a 6"9 forward with absolutely zero jump shot playing on? I just don't see it at all. What comparable player is playing in the league right now? It's not like he has unseen post game skills athleticism. Amazing college player tho no doubt.
You basically just described Kevon Looney. I actually think it is more important for Oso to show scouts he can rebound at an NBA level than shoot this season.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on October 13, 2023, 12:22:49 PM
You basically just described Kevon Looney. I actually think it is more important for Oso to show scouts he can rebound at an NBA level than shoot this season.
Could add 6-8 Brandon Clarke, too. 6 total 3FGA in 56 games last season (1,000+ minutes played).
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 13, 2023, 12:35:57 PM
Could add 6-8 Brandon Clarke, too. 6 total 3FGA in 56 games last season (1,000+ minutes played).
Different type of player, but Ben Simmons didn't even attempt a 3FG last season. And Giannis has showed that you can be the best player in the world even if you can't shoot a three for your life.
So Oso should model his game on Giannis is what I'm saying.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on October 13, 2023, 12:47:39 PM
Different type of player, but Ben Simmons didn't even attempt a 3FG last season. And Giannis has showed that you can be the best player in the world even if you can't shoot a three for your life.
So Oso should model his game on Giannis is what I'm saying.
Giannis might be a bad shooter, but he's not a total non-shooter. 25-30% on 2.5-3 attempts per game is decent enough when you factor in everything else he does.
Ben Simmons is more in line with Oso as a non-shooter. Oso will get a chance to play in the NBA. Whether he sticks or not remains to be seen. A three point shot would make me much more confident in his long term viability. If not, Oso needs to be able to fill a Looney-esque role, like you said.
Comparing anyone to Giannis is just silly.............thats like saying every strong athletic 7 footer should model themselves after Shaq.
Oso can be a role player at the next level.......he can do everything but shoot at 6'9 and guard almost anyone.
I don't see it with Joplin but I've been wrong before.
Ok, maybe I didn't ask this the right way - when we cut down the nets next April, which players will be gone for the NBA - it will be more than just Oso and definitely one or both of Ross/Jop
Quote from: Johnny B on October 13, 2023, 12:13:54 PM
What NBA roster is a 6"9 forward with absolutely zero jump shot playing on? I just don't see it at all. What comparable player is playing in the league right now? It's not like he has unseen post game skills athleticism. Amazing college player tho no doubt.
I think Oso could be like Bam in Miami
Quote from: swoopem on October 15, 2023, 06:09:22 PM
I think Oso could be like Bam in Miami
IDK about that...
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 15, 2023, 06:15:34 PM
IDK about that...
Believe it or not, that's the most common comp I've heard from NBA people, provided he keeps getting stronger.
With Oso's ball skills there's gonna be a spot for him, and chances are it's gonna be a place that is evolved enough offensively to use his skills.
https://x.com/coreytulaba/status/1714408892791222582?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Hope Kameron Jones reads this thread
Quote from: DoctorV on October 17, 2023, 07:14:33 PM
Hope Kameron Jones reads this thread
Good call...no idea why Kam wasn't listed as a choice. Must have been a brain fart by the original poster. I'd rank the roster as far as NBA potential for next NBA season as:
1)Oso
2)Kolek
3)Kam
The following year I'd rank in this order:
1)Gold
2)Chase
3)Jop (tempted to put Zaide here but need to see him for at least 1 year to assess)
Chase Ross breakdown
https://x.com/noceilingsnba/status/1714612858921583068?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Kam is going to need to get way more consistent with his outside shot IMO. Ross was just a tick behind Kam last year from deep, but is way more explosive and much better on the defensive side. So I understand completely why Kam wouldn't make someone's top three.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 18, 2023, 09:33:01 AM
Kam is going to need to get way more consistent with his outside shot IMO. Ross was just a tick behind Kam last year from deep, but is way more explosive and much better on the defensive side. So I understand completely why Kam wouldn't make someone's top three.
In addition to the three ball, he's gonna have to show some ability to create for others as well.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 18, 2023, 09:33:01 AM
Kam is going to need to get way more consistent with his outside shot IMO. Ross was just a tick behind Kam last year from deep, but is way more explosive and much better on the defensive side. So I understand completely why Kam wouldn't make someone's top three.
I agree Kam needs to become a true knockdown shooter at 40+% to improve his pro stock.
But looking only at 3FG% doesn't tell the whole story. While Chase was close to Kam percentage wise, Kam had 4 times more three-point makes and attempts per game. That is a significant gap, making Kam a much bigger shooting threat than Chase.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 18, 2023, 10:10:04 AM
In addition to the three ball, he's gonna have to show some ability to create for others as well.
And defend more effectively.
I love me some Kam. One of my favorite players in recent memory. But I don't think there are a lot of 6'4 SGs who play below the rim and aren't elite defenders in the NBA. He's a great college player, but I don't see his game translating well to the Association.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 18, 2023, 10:43:12 AM
I agree Kam needs to become a true knockdown shooter at 40+% to improve his pro stock.
But looking only at 3FG% doesn't tell the whole story. While Chase was close to Kam percentage wise, Kam had 4 times more three-point makes and attempts per game. That is a significant gap, making Kam a much bigger shooting threat than Chase.
For now sure. But I am thinking pro potential. TAMU is right here - what does Kam do at an elite level?
Kam is a wizard around the rim. I'll be interested to see if he keeps that up (or even close) this year. Regardless, though, I don't think the way he scores at the collegiate level inside would work at the NBA level. Defenders are faster and longer, which would make hitting those angles that much more difficult. I'm a huge fan of his as a college player, but echo the thoughts about him not being suited for the NBA. I would love him to prove me wrong, but I think he needs to show better defense and more athletic explosiveness (both of which Chase has in spades).
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 18, 2023, 10:44:00 AM
And defend more effectively.
I love me some Kam. One of my favorite players in recent memory. But I don't think there are a lot of 6'4 SGs who play below the rim and aren't elite defenders in the NBA. He's a great college player, but I don't see his game translating well to the Association.
On the surface your point makes sense. However, I see Kam as a taller Nick Van Exel - old school game that is really hard to defend. Kam isn't an explosive athlete like Chase, yet Kam's change of pace, pivot game, and creativity make him extremely difficult to defend, coupled with being a lefty.
I also feel Kam is a better shooter than his 36% from 3 last season, and think he can be a 40% guy like Markus Howard. Kam's 64% from 2FG is stellar, comparatively Markus was a 43% guy from 2FG.
Let's not forget Kam was able to run PG during the NCAA in Tyler's absence, and Kam also scored 18 straight in an NCAA tournament game.
Kam's measurables may not blow one away, but his unique skill set should not be overlooked. Brock Purdy of the 49ers is an example of a guy who's measurables didn't look NFL-worthy, but he's proven to be a very good QB. Kolek can fall into this camp as well too.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 18, 2023, 10:47:48 AM
For now sure. But I am thinking pro potential. TAMU is right here - what does Kam do at an elite level?
I am right there with you and TAMU. Kam is the quintessential great college player that lacks NBA qualities.
Maybe he can improve across the board and become a draft prospect, but thus far Kam looks more like a Euroleague prospect than an NBA one.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on October 18, 2023, 11:18:51 AM
On the surface your point makes sense. However, I see Kam as a taller Nick Van Exel - old school game that is really hard to defend. Kam isn't an explosive athlete like Chase, yet Kam's change of pace, pivot game, and creativity make him extremely difficult to defend, coupled with being a lefty.
I also feel Kam is a better shooter than his 36% from 3 last season, and think he can be a 40% guy like Markus Howard. Kam's 64% from 2FG is stellar, comparatively Markus was a 43% guy from 2FG.
Let's not forget Kam was able to run PG during the NCAA in Tyler's absence, and Kam also scored 18 straight in an NCAA tournament game.
Kam's measurables may not blow one away, but his unique skill set should not be overlooked. Brock Purdy of the 49ers is an example of a guy who's measurables didn't look NFL-worthy, but he's proven to be a very good QB. Kolek can fall into this camp as well too.
I'll take your word on the Nick Van Exel comparison, I was three when he left Cincy. But as a pro, Van Exel was a PG who also had a reputation of being at least a decent defender on top of being an elite scorer. I think Kam is an elite scorer but without the PG and defensive skills, I just don't see it. His 2P FG% was ridiculous last season, I'm just not certain he would be able to come close to replicating it at the pro level. NBA defenses are not kind to below the rim players.
I'll also have to take your word on him being the PG against MSU. I was at the game and never watched the replay (why relive that?). My recollection was that Stevie and Sean took on the PG role in Tyler's absence.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on October 18, 2023, 11:18:51 AM.
Kam's 64% from 2FG is stellar, comparatively Markus was a 43% guy from 2FG.
Kam was 64% his soph year. Markus was 53%.
I don't think Kam makes an NBA roster at any point, but I do think some are undervaluing his shooting. He only made 36% but the degree of difficulty on those was extremely high. He's taking step back threes, coming off of pin downs at high speed, shots that a lot of NBA guys struggle with. And he makes them pretty consistently.
If he was taking only the threes that other guys on MU took he'd be in the 40-45%, IMO.
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I'll also have to take your word on him being the PG against MSU. I was at the game and never watched the replay (why relive that?). My recollection was that Stevie and Sean took on the PG role in Tyler's absence.
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I just watched it yesterday.
Kolek had two quick fouls and Kam was the initial point guard following that amd did ok.
What stood out that game was Kam hit several tough threes but was inconsistent.
What also stood out was Omax's length on offense and defense which will be sorely missed. He also had many big threes and drives that led to fouls or layups. Basically kept us in the game. That scoring will need to be made up by Ross and Gold and I hope that it does. The defense will be more tricky.
Here hoping for big time off-season development for Chase and Gold. We're hearing good things so that is a positive. And also hoping Kam is more consistent from three.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 18, 2023, 03:07:14 PM
I just watched it yesterday.
So you a bit of a masochist or what?
Appreciate the analysis. I have the same concerns about replacing Omax. Fortunately, I think Ross and Gold have taken those next steps.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 18, 2023, 03:34:57 PM
So you a bit of a masochist or what?
Appreciate the analysis. I have the same concerns about replacing Omax. Fortunately, I think Ross and Gold have taken those next steps.
I am a masochist. My son asked me what the hell I was doing watching that game. Unfortunately many of the late seasons wins got deleted by my wife and I needed a MU basketball fix. Those last 6 minutes were not fun to watch. Hell the first 10 minutes of the first half sucked as well.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 18, 2023, 04:10:56 PM
I am a masochist. My son asked me what the hell I was doing watching that game. Unfortunately many of the late seasons wins got deleted by my wife and I needed a MU basketball fix. Those last 6 minutes were not fun to watch. Hell the first 10 minutes of the first half sucked as well.
For next time you need your fix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jqY6Kb8DD0
It doesn't get better than that (so far).
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 18, 2023, 04:26:37 PM
For next time you need your fix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jqY6Kb8DD0
It doesn't get better than that (so far).
Nice!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 18, 2023, 04:26:37 PM
For next time you need your fix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jqY6Kb8DD0
It doesn't get better than that (so far).
Very enjoyable.
Just watched the entire thing and a few things that jumped out that I had forgotten
1- excellent defense by Kam on that last play of the game. He had some defensive lapses where he forgot his guy, but overall defended Hawkins very well on several possessions.
My recollection was that OMax shut down Hawkins all game, but watching that reminded me that as I noticed often times last season Kams on ball and overall defense didn't get the credit it deserved.
2- I didn't realize Oso played so little in the second half. Seemed like he was never out there and was a non factor that game.
To that point, it seemed like nearly every UConn basket was an inside bunny, Sanogo ate Marquette alive.
With how elite MUs offense seemed (outside of that 1/10 stretch in the 2H) and how the shots were falling imagine if Marquette wasn't a sieve on the interior...
3- That game was a 4 man show for Marquette. TyKo, Kam, Jop, and OMax were everything.
Sure others contributed here and there, but the above were far and away the best in that game.
PS. For the life of my I still cannot understand how OMax always seemed so far away from the basket all the time on the defensive end. I mean he played 34 minutes, Oso was in foul trouble, Ben and Jop were trying to hold on for dear life in the paint, and OMax had 3 boards.
I get that he was tasked with guarding a lot of wings and was therefore away from the basket a lot, I just think that his athleticism should have and could have really made a much bigger difference in the trenches.
On the plus side, Chase got in there and mixed it up a bunch down low and I look forward to that.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 18, 2023, 10:47:48 AM
For now sure. But I am thinking pro potential. TAMU is right here - what does Kam do at an elite level?
Score. Not turn the ball over. Enjoy himself and not let the moment get too big for him.
I get the NBA body/measurements points- the association doesn't usually draft guys that don't fit their new athletic mold.
Look no further than OMax being a first rounder but Edey and Timme being undraftable, it's a new era in the NBA.
Let not pretend that Kam isn't in or shouldn't be in the conversation though.
The 3 best players on the team are TyKo, Oso, and Kam.
Chase has the athletic gifts/measurement and makeup, Ben has the size/skill combo, Jop has the elite shooting, etc.
That backcourt is going to be a joy to watch.
Haven't heard much about Kam this off-season, hope he comes out and torches the nets
Quote from: Elonsmusk on October 18, 2023, 11:18:51 AM
On the surface your point makes sense. However, I see Kam as a taller Nick Van Exel - old school game that is really hard to defend. Kam isn't an explosive athlete like Chase, yet Kam's change of pace, pivot game, and creativity make him extremely difficult to defend, coupled with being a lefty.
I also feel Kam is a better shooter than his 36% from 3 last season, and think he can be a 40% guy like Markus Howard. Kam's 64% from 2FG is stellar, comparatively Markus was a 43% guy from 2FG.
Let's not forget Kam was able to run PG during the NCAA in Tyler's absence, and Kam also scored 18 straight in an NCAA tournament game.
Kam's measurables may not blow one away, but his unique skill set should not be overlooked. Brock Purdy of the 49ers is an example of a guy who's measurables didn't look NFL-worthy, but he's proven to be a very good QB. Kolek can fall into this camp as well too.
Well said.
Measurables usually win in the draft room these days, but Kam isn't a midget for NBA standards like Markus either (sorry Muggsy)
It would have probably helped his stock if he played more PG, which he won't, or if he built up more muscle or coulda figured out a way to dunk on some people, which he can't.
If he defends well and doesn't get pushed around, and he scores at all 3 levels with an elite 3P shot he will have a case.
GMs will have to imagine the 2nd level because Marquette doesn't shoot midrange Js, but I'm sure he can do that well too.