Who attended this event last year? Is it worthwhile? Does the team actually scrimmage or is it more of an open practice?
Who would win in a 1X1 Vander vs Ben?
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on October 04, 2023, 02:07:59 PM
Who attended this event last year? Is it worthwhile? Does the team actually scrimmage or is it more of an open practice?
I enjoyed it last year. It was an actual scrimmage with refs and all though only 24 minutes of game time. I wrote a recap for painttouches last year: https://painttouches.com/2022/10/09/quick-observations-from-1st-annual-blue-vs-gold-scrimmage/#. It's funny reading some of the commentary on players and seeing how it played out over the season.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 04, 2023, 02:41:25 PM
I enjoyed it last year. It was an actual scrimmage with refs and all though only 24 minutes of game time. I wrote a recap for painttouches last year: https://painttouches.com/2022/10/09/quick-observations-from-1st-annual-blue-vs-gold-scrimmage/#. It's funny reading some of the commentary on players and seeing how it played out over the season.
Do you plan on going again and writing a similar recap? We thank you in advance
When do the doors open?
Tyler Kolek
Kam Jones
Tre Norman
David Joplin
Oso Ighodaro
Caedin Hamilton
vs.
Sean Jones
Stevie Mitchell
Chase Ross
Zaide Lowery
Ben Gold
Al Amadou
Gonna be offense vs. defense tomorrow!
Usually the scrimmage is at the Al. Both the scrimmage and practice is at Fiserv Forum.
Saturday, October 7
Blue & Gold Scrimmage
Fiserv Forum
Doors open at 11:30am
Scrimmage starts at 12:00pm
Post scrimmage autographs
Exclusive #MUBB gear giveaways during the scrimmage
Wednesday, October 18
Open Practice
Fiserv Forum
Doors open at 5:30pm
Practice starts at 6pm
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on October 06, 2023, 08:50:09 PM
Tyler Kolek
Kam Jones
Tre Norman
David Joplin
Oso Ighodaro
Caedin Hamilton
vs.
Sean Jones
Stevie Mitchell
Chase Ross
Zaide Lowery
Ben Gold
Al Amadou
Gonna be offense vs. defense tomorrow!
If these are teams for today's scrimmage, on paper it's a complete mismatch. Our three best from last year (Tyler, Kam, Oso) on the same team? Strange way to setup teams if you're looking to make it competitive, which how team scrimmages are usually arranged to do.
Did you get this somewhere or did you make it up?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 07, 2023, 08:14:05 AM
If these are teams for today's scrimmage, on paper it's a complete mismatch. Our three best from last year (Tyler, Kam, Oso) on the same team? Strange way to setup teams if you're looking to make it competitive, which how team scrimmages are usually arranged to do.
Did you get this somewhere or did you make it up?
Released by Marquette. It's their top offensive team against some of their top defenders.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 07, 2023, 08:29:01 AM
Released by Marquette. It's their top offensive team against some of their top defenders.
I guess they know what they are doing but I'm not as disappointed that I can't make it given these lineups.
Is the scrimmage at noon or do they do drills for an half hour or so?
Another marketing department failure
Quote from: Hoops92 on October 07, 2023, 08:31:58 AM
I guess they know what they are doing but I'm not as disappointed that I can't make it given these lineups.
I'm sure they're devastated
Quote from: Hoops92 on October 07, 2023, 08:31:58 AM
I guess they know what they are doing but I'm not as disappointed that I can't make it given these lineups.
I'm pretty sure the coaching staff knows what they are doing, and can switch players around if need be.
I was just making an observation and asking. Thank you Sultan for your answer.
The scrimmage last year was also lopsided. Doesn't matter, still will be a great opportunity to see the team and probably a better viewing than the open practices imho.
This was last year scrimmage recap: https://painttouches.com/2022/10/09/quick-observations-from-1st-annual-blue-vs-gold-scrimmage/
I am assuming the answer is no, but is there going to be a stream?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 07, 2023, 08:14:05 AM
If these are teams for today's scrimmage, on paper it's a complete mismatch. Our three best from last year (Tyler, Kam, Oso) on the same team? Strange way to setup teams if you're looking to make it competitive, which how team scrimmages are usually arranged to do.
Did you get this somewhere or did you make it up?
TKO/Kam/Oso were on blue last year
Stevie/Sean/Gold were on gold last year
The remaining six are either new or were injured for the scrimmage last season.
So how are tickets acquired?
Quote from: 🏀 on October 07, 2023, 10:34:23 AM
So how are tickets acquired?
I think you just show up
Early scrimmage reports indicate early camp reports were correct
Very deep. It's a shame that we have to play with only one ball.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on October 07, 2023, 10:20:28 AM
I am assuming the answer is no, but is there going to be a stream?
This is Marquette, pal.
https://twitter.com/goldeneagles247/status/1710721114261930443?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Gold wins 67-61
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on October 06, 2023, 08:50:09 PM
Tyler Kolek
Kam Jones
Tre Norman
David Joplin
Oso Ighodaro
Caedin Hamilton
vs.
Sean Jones
Stevie Mitchell
Chase Ross
Zaide Lowery
Ben Gold
Al Amadou
Gonna be offense vs. defense tomorrow!
Which is blue, which is gold?
Quote from: noblewarrior on October 07, 2023, 01:36:59 PM
Which is blue, which is gold?
Team defense won. Surprising result. Looking forward to hearing the observations by those in attendance.
Quote from: noblewarrior on October 07, 2023, 01:36:59 PM
Which is blue, which is gold?
Looking at a pic a friend took and looks like Gold was on Gold!
Blue went on a run right before half and I thought it was gonna get out of hand. But the competiveness won out. Tyler was getting feisty out there, they were physical with him and got him frustrated.
The shooting in the first half was insane... everyone was cashing threes. Legs started to go a bit at the end. Chase missed a couple wide open threes front rim that would have put it away.
Cutting was outstanding. They have 10 guys who can move, pass, and put it on the deck. Will be very hard to guard especially if the outside shots are falling.
I hope Ben stays healthy because neither frosh big looks like they're ready. Caedin looks a bit farther along than Al.
I attended and sat in one of the cushy leather seats usually occupied by the rich and famous.
A few very general observations:
1. The Blue team seemed to get a little lazy in the second half and the Gold took it to them. More defensive intensity from Mitchell, Ross, Lowery, and Sean Jones.
2. Chase Ross was very impressive. He has a confident outside shot and had several aggressive drives to the basket. I think he's primed to take on a much bigger role.
3. Lowery looks ready to play big time basketball.
4. I hope Oso never attempts a 3 point shot in a real game.
5. It looks like the team should have good depth, especially in the backcourt. I hope Gold is OK. A couple of times he seemed to have some discomfort and I had to wonder if it's related to the shin splint issue. He does have a smooth outside stroke and knocked down a couple of long ones.
Can't wait to se these guys play against someone else.
As long as no one got hurt.
Chase is a man and is primed to breakout.
Zaide is going to be amazing.
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 07, 2023, 03:24:54 PM
Chase is a man and is primed to breakout.
Zaide is going to be amazing.
I was also there. Chase and Zaide are almost interchangeable - very similar games. Aggressive, both attack the rim & get into you defensively. Both can knock down the outside shot, and are strong & athletic in everything they do. Sean hit some outside shots, nice spin moves, tough on defense, looked good. Tre also attacked the rim a few times. He looked good for a frosh but feel Zaide is more ready of the two. Oso, Kolek, Kam & Stevie did their thing. All looked good as you would expect. Gold & Jop both looked more willing to drive, hit some outside shots, and swatted shots defensively. A few time when Jop drove, he ran into Chase - who is VERY physical, and tied him up. Jop and Oso did drive and finish most of the time. Al is bouncy and confident, but probably 11th on the depth chart. Caedin did some good things, he would be 12th at this point, but the future is bright.
Oso hit a good number of threes in warm ups, but it's a low release, don't expect him to shoot many in games unless he is all alone with lots of time. He took one 3 in the scrimmage- it wasn't great.
As for the mismatch - the more aggressive team won by 6, with a highlight reel dunk by Chase at the horn.
Chase, Zaide, Stevie, Ben, Sean & Al played with violence. They were the most physical and aggressive- that was the difference.
Any blocks or rebounding?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 07, 2023, 04:15:43 PM
Any blocks or rebounding?
Gold was the best rebounder. Gold, Jop & Oso swatted shots. But, Ben on the glass reminded me a bit of Jayce Johnson. Very active.
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 07, 2023, 03:24:54 PM
Chase is a man and is primed to breakout.
Zaide is going to be amazing.
Agreed.
I wouldn't trade TK or Kam for Markus Howard so take my opinion with a grain of salt...but...
-TK looked as expected.
-Stevie looked better from 3.
-Kam seemed to take a little off the moon ball? Looked great as usual.
-Joplin looked to be in great shape. Needs to be more than just a shooter.
-Oso...watched him in warm-ups...his 3 isn't pretty but he hit over 50% of them. Really low release and he takes his time. Hoping he can keep his guy honest.
-Chase is a beast. Shot a lot of 3's...don't think he made a single one. He's confident...it will be there for him. Got to the rim at will.
-Gold looked like Gold...open 3s...he'll be fine.
-Sean hit a few 3s...I think they use his quickness well in situational ways.
-Tre was hard to get a feel for...didn't do much...didn't try to do much.
-Zaide's size and athleticism impressed...Shaka introduced him and mentioned his shooting which was good to hear. He made some "pressure" free throws. Can't wait to see his growth.
-Al looked athletic...i thought he played like a freshmen. Certainly belongs on the team.
-Hamilton will definitely benefit from practicing against his teammates all season.
I couldn't be more proud of the program. Shaka and company all are first class reps of MU.
My reactions:
- This was my first time attending but it was a really great event. My kids were entertained and my non-MU alum wife actually loved it, more than actual games she said. Having the players sign autographs afterwards was a really nice touch.
- After watching the scrimmage, I am quite confident that our second five would beat Butler / DePaul / Georgetown more times than they lost. We have ten kids who would start for those teams. The Gold team winning wasn't a fluke; the talent gap really was almost non-existent.
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- I came into the event a little concerned about how we would replace O-Max's length and athleticism. I am no longer concerned. Ross is the real deal, and Zaide Lowery is ready to contribute today. They are similar players with similar games, but Chase has a bit more natural athleticism and I think Zaide has a little bit better three point shot. I think Zaide is the home run recruit in this class and wouldn't be surprised if he's on an All-Big East team in two years.
- Stevie hit some nice shots and played under control. He may end up losing some minutes this season just because Chase and Zaide are going to force their way into the lineup based on raw athleticism and size, but Stevie's maturity and know how is going to be critical come March.
- Big Al is ahead of where Oso was at this age. He's going to be a perfect heir to the athletic center position.
- I am a little disappointed that Oso's outside shot still looks terrible. But I suppose God's athletic blessings have to stop somewhere. He's bigger and stronger than last season. I'm hopeful he can really improve on the glass this year.
- Tre Norman looks more like Stevie's understudy than TKO's. Whoever thinks he'll be taking minutes away from Sean this season is wrong. Sean played with quickness but also more control than he showed last season. He also knocked down quite a few threes.
- I predict Jop shoots somewhere between 43 - 45% from deep this year. His shot is just effortless and its splashes seemingly every time. His defense will still be a massive downgrade from O-Max's but I think he'll make up for it on the offensive end.
- Ben Gold seemed a lot more comfortable on the court, and he knocked down several threes during the game. They even had Ben dribbling the ball up the court to initiate some action that they've obviously designed with Oso in mind. He's not a point center but he's not clumsy either. I asked him how his foot felt in the autograph line and he told me it was great and that he's 100% recovered.
- Kam and TKO looked like Kam and TKO. I think they both have maybe reached their basketball ceiling, but as long as they play like last season that is perfectly fine with me.
- I don't know if we'll set a program record for wins like we did last year, but this team will certainly be in the top 3 in the Big East and should be competing for a top 3 seed. Very excited for the ride.
El - great recap
Quote from: avid1010 on October 07, 2023, 04:25:13 PM
Agreed.
I wouldn't trade TK or Kam for Markus Howard so take my opinion with a grain of salt...but...
-TK looked as expected.
-Stevie looked better from 3.
-Kam seemed to take a little off the moon ball? Looked great as usual.
-Joplin looked to be in great shape. Needs to be more than just a shooter.
-Oso...watched him in warm-ups...his 3 isn't pretty but he hit over 50% of them. Really low release and he takes his time. Hoping he can keep his guy honest.
-Chase is a beast. Shot a lot of 3's...don't think he made a single one. He's confident...it will be there for him. Got to the rim at will.
-Gold looked like Gold...open 3s...he'll be fine.
-Sean hit a few 3s...I think they use his quickness well in situational ways.
-Tre was hard to get a feel for...didn't do much...didn't try to do much.
-Zaide's size and athleticism impressed...Shaka introduced him and mentioned his shooting which was good to hear. He made some "pressure" free throws. Can't wait to see his growth.
-Al looked athletic...i thought he played like a freshmen. Certainly belongs on the team.
-Hamilton will definitely benefit from practicing against his teammates all season.
I couldn't be more proud of the program. Shaka and company all are first class reps of MU.
Agree with all of above
Particularly Ross and Lowery
Ross ready for prime time
Lowery will get lots of minutes and significantly contribute
Tre is is a big skilled kid—for a point guard
Agree he did not show a lot on offense but he defended like a demon
1st half Sean was driving into middle with head down and getting swallowed up like last year
Stopped doing it in 2nd half hit some 3s, floaters and distributed more
Al ( and maybe Caedin) are Oso in year 1 but slightly more advanced—-would be interested in others view on that
Lots of extra passes~~shared the ball!!
Going to be deep, fun and really good!!!
I am relieved the horrific mismatch of teams did not ruin the scrimmage.
Quote from: PointWarrior on October 07, 2023, 06:11:22 PM
I am relieved the horrific mismatch of teams did not ruin the scrimmage.
Staff just hiding the warts aina
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 07, 2023, 03:24:54 PM
Chase is a man and is primed to breakout.
Zaide is going to be amazing.
Ty.
BAM
and
BAM
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on October 07, 2023, 05:21:17 PM
My reactions:
- This was my first time attending but it was a really great event. My kids were entertained and my non-MU alum wife actually loved it, more than actual games she said. Having the players sign autographs afterwards was a really nice touch.
- After watching the scrimmage, I am quite confident that our second five would beat Butler / DePaul / Georgetown more times than they lost. We have ten kids who would start for those teams. The Gold team winning wasn't a fluke; the talent gap really was almost non-existent.
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- I came into the event a little concerned about how we would replace O-Max's length and athleticism. I am no longer concerned. Ross is the real deal, and Zaide Lowery is ready to contribute today. They are similar players with similar games, but Chase has a bit more natural athleticism and I think Zaide has a little bit better three point shot. I think Zaide is the home run recruit in this class and wouldn't be surprised if he's on an All-Big East team in two years.
- Stevie hit some nice shots and played under control. He may end up losing some minutes this season just because Chase and Zaide are going to force their way into the lineup based on raw athleticism and size, but Stevie's maturity and know how is going to be critical come March.
- Big Al is ahead of where Oso was at this age. He's going to be a perfect heir to the athletic center position.
- I am a little disappointed that Oso's outside shot still looks terrible. But I suppose God's athletic blessings have to stop somewhere. He's bigger and stronger than last season. I'm hopeful he can really improve on the glass this year.
- Tre Norman looks more like Stevie's understudy than TKO's. Whoever thinks he'll be taking minutes away from Sean this season is wrong. Sean played with quickness but also more control than he showed last season. He also knocked down quite a few threes.
- I predict Jop shoots somewhere between 43 - 45% from deep this year. His shot is just effortless and its splashes seemingly every time. His defense will still be a massive downgrade from O-Max's but I think he'll make up for it on the offensive end.
- Ben Gold seemed a lot more comfortable on the court, and he knocked down several threes during the game. They even had Ben dribbling the ball up the court to initiate some action that they've obviously designed with Oso in mind. He's not a point center but he's not clumsy either. I asked him how his foot felt in the autograph line and he told me it was great and that he's 100% recovered.
- Kam and TKO looked like Kam and TKO. I think they both have maybe reached their basketball ceiling, but as long as they play like last season that is perfectly fine with me.
- I don't know if we'll set a program record for wins like we did last year, but this team will certainly be in the top 3 in the Big East and should be competing for a top 3 seed. Very excited for the ride.
Outstanding report! Let's go now!!
Thanks EL G. Great report. Zaide is the freshman I am most looking forward to seeing play. Can't wait to get the season started.
Anyone know who we play for our secret scrimmages?
Quote from: wisblue on October 07, 2023, 02:31:43 PM
I attended and sat in one of the cushy leather seats usually occupied by the rich and famous.
A few very general observations:
1. The Blue team seemed to get a little lazy in the second half and the Gold took it to them. More defensive intensity from Mitchell, Ross, Lowery, and Sean Jones.
2. Chase Ross was very impressive. He has a confident outside shot and had several aggressive drives to the basket. I think he's primed to take on a much bigger role.
3. Lowery looks ready to play big time basketball.
4. I hope Oso never attempts a 3 point shot in a real game.
5. It looks like the team should have good depth, especially in the backcourt. I hope Gold is OK. A couple of times he seemed to have some discomfort and I had to wonder if it's related to the shin splint issue. He does have a smooth outside stroke and knocked down a couple of long ones.
Can't wait to se these guys play against someone else.
I was there.
+1 on Ross and Lowery.
+1 on your assessment of Oso's 3 point shooting. At any given point in a game we're going to have a minimum of 3 guys on the floor at the same time who are competent to very good 3 point shooters. It's just not Oso's game. I'll put the over/under on Oso's made three pointers for the entire season at 4.
On Gold hobbling a bit, I believe I saw him get kicked in the shin during a scrum for a loose ball. It happened right in front of Shaka and didn't appear to amount to much. I think he'll be OK.
Good spirited scrimage.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 07, 2023, 09:07:19 PM
Thanks EL G. Great report. Zaide is the freshman I am most looking forward to seeing play. Can't wait to get the season started.
Anyone know who we play for our secret scrimmages?
scrimmage.
You're going to like Lowery. He's a player.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 07, 2023, 09:07:19 PM
Thanks EL G. Great report. Zaide is the freshman I am most looking forward to seeing play. Can't wait to get the season started.
Anyone know who we play for our secret scrimmages?
Michigan at the Al
Missouri in Chicago
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 07, 2023, 09:29:45 PM
I was there.
+1 on Ross and Lowery.
+1 on your assessment of Oso's 3 point shooting. At any given point in a game we're going to have a minimum of 3 guys on the floor at the same time who are competent to very good 3 point shooters. It's just not Oso's game. I'll put the over/under on Oso's made three pointers for the entire season at 4.
On Gold hobbling a bit, I believe I saw him get kicked in the shin during a scrum for a loose ball. It happened right in front of Shaka and didn't appear to amount to much. I think he'll be OK.
Good spirited scrimage.
Do you think Benny can give us 20-25 mins? Shaka seems very high on him. This team has insane guard depth. I think we'll have the ability to wear teams down while simultaneously barraging teams all over the floor like a unstoppable rebel force.
Thanks to those who went to the scrimmage and gave their reports.
My best friend from Marquette is visiting us this weekend, and we picked the 5-6 games we're gonna go to.
So we're already psyched for this season - and these reports get me even more stoked!
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 07, 2023, 09:48:54 PM
Do you think Benny can give us 20-25 mins? Shaka seems very high on him. This team has insane guard depth. I think we'll have the ability to wear teams down while simultaneously barraging teams all over the floor like a unstoppable rebel force.
I think he probably could. But barring foul trouble or injury to Oso, I don't think he'll be called on to provide those kind of minutes. But you never know. Stamina can be a problem with big guys sometimes.
I realize it was a different era and comparisons seldom hold. But McGuire had his star system and that 1976-77 team was dubbed by Al and the media affectionately as "The Butch and Bo Show", and that's pretty much the way it played out. Shaka doesn't have a "star" system per se. But even though MU can go 10 deep and we're loaded with talent, and this is the deepest MU team I can remember in 55 years, I think this year becomes "The Oso and Tyler Show". It's their time, and they're that good. I think Oso stays on the floor as much as possible.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 07, 2023, 10:09:13 PM
I think he probably could. But barring foul trouble or injury to Oso, I don't think he'll be called on to provide those kind of minutes. But you never know. Stamina can be a problem with big guys sometimes.
I realize it was a different era and comparisons seldom hold. But McGuire had his star system and that 1976-77 team was dubbed by Al and the media affectionately as "The Butch and Bo Show", and that's pretty much the way it played out. Shaka doesn't have a "star" system per se. But even though MU can go 10 deep and we're loaded with talent, and this is the deepest MU team I can remember in 55 years, I think this year becomes "The Oso and Tyler Show". It's their time, and they're that good. I think Oso stays on the floor as much as possible.
If he can competently defend and rebound rotations will be super interesting. Jop has slimmed down. That said I do think we will see 4 guards on the floor at times.
Quote from: dajudge on October 07, 2023, 05:36:34 PM
1) Ross ready for prime time - YES
2) Lowery will get lots of minutes and significantly contribute - YES
3) Al ( and maybe Caedin) are Oso in year 1 but slightly more advanced—-would be interested in others view on that - I think 2 years from now Cardin Hamilton is the stud of this freshman class
El G
Thanks for the report. Felt badly missing thd scrimmage today but the report answered a lot of questions.
This team is going to make a deep run in March and jacked to get the season started.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 07, 2023, 09:48:54 PM
Do you think Benny can give us 20-25 mins? Shaka seems very high on him. This team has insane guard depth. I think we'll have the ability to wear teams down while simultaneously barraging teams all over the floor like a unstoppable rebel force.
I agree with the Dribbler that Shaka is unlikely to call on Ben to pay 20+ minutes a game. He'll get 15 or so and spell Oso. Meanwhile, I think you'll see a lot of Jop at the four and about 5-10 with Chase or Zaide playing the "4." Shaka was constantly yelling at the guys to push the pace. I think the tempo will be ramped up even more this season and Shaka will try to run the Klingons and Kalkbrenners and Sorianos of the league into the ground.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on October 07, 2023, 11:09:21 PM
I agree with the Dribbler that Shaka is unlikely to call on Ben to pay 20+ minutes a game. He'll get 15 or so and spell Oso. Meanwhile, I think you'll see a lot of Jop at the four and about 5-10 with Chase or Zaide playing the "4." Shaka was constantly yelling at the guys to push the pace. I think the tempo will be ramped up even more this season and Shaka will try to run the Klingons and Kalkbrenners and Sorianos of the league into the ground.
Agree. I think Shaka is ready to run and gun, mainly because I think he's confident that he's got a squad full of talent.
Listening to his presser was remarkable in many of the typical ways- so well spoken, so candid, so insightful. Always seems to have a perfect pulse on his team while making it obvious that he's the mastermind behind it all.
He gushed for about 15 minutes on his guys and didn't once mentioned TyKo or Kam, barely mentioned Oso or Jop.
That's how you know this team should be elite.
If Stevie, Chase, Sean Jones, BennyG, Zaide, etc can be what Shaka thinks they can be the sky is the limit.
Back to the original point- it's obvious the 4/5 is his biggest concern, not because of skill, but because of health.
Oso will play 28-30 minutes in important (non blowout) games given health and no foul trouble because
A) he's awesome, an elite 5 man in this system and an all BE type of player
B) he can run with and play with any rotation Shaka puts out there.
So, Ben will likely get 15-18ish very valuable minutes. His most important role, as I've said before, will be to back up Oso at the 5. He will also get another 7-10ish minutes at the 4. His health is obviously very important to Shaka.
I also agree that Jop gets the majority of the minutes at the 4 (21-23ish) and that the remainder go to Ben, Chase and Zaide.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 07, 2023, 09:29:45 PM
+1 on your assessment of Oso's 3 point shooting. At any given point in a game we're going to have a minimum of 3 guys on the floor at the same time who are competent to very good 3 point shooters.
Can you explain this in greater detail?
Quote from: avid1010 on October 08, 2023, 06:24:52 AM
Can you explain this in greater detail?
Yes.
We are extremely blessed with many talented perimeter players. Kam Jones, Sean Jones, Kolek, Lowery, Norman, Ross, Mitchell, Joplin and Gold are all much better 3 point shooters than Oso. Those 8-10 foot jumpers in the lane and on the baseline, yes, Oso is very good with those and we need him to be a scorer on those. Same with those runners in the lane that he is so good at. But he is not a 3 point shooter, and I don't think it benefits the team to have our 6'11 Center standing out there firing up 23 foot jumpshots when we've got 9 other guys who can do it more effectively. If he wants to hoist one up now and then, fine.
Oso's three point shooting would only be used to drag his defender away from the basket. Last year his defender would just sag back and defend the rim because he was no threat. Even it if were minimal, Oso having the ability to hit that shot would allow the floor to open up for everyone else.
So he won't be shooting a bunch, but I can see the benefit of him occasionally doing so.
Also, let's not exaggerate about our outside shooting ability. Last year we were a good three point shooting team, but hardly a great one.
Quote from: YoungMUFan4 on October 07, 2023, 09:43:25 PM
Michigan at the Al
Missouri in Chicago
Thank you. It may have been discussed elsewhere but i couldn't recall.
More detail on how Jones the Younger looked yesterday? Better decision making? What's the ultimate prognostication about our transition game? Is Lethality quite possible?
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 08, 2023, 09:14:32 AM
More detail on how Jones the Younger looked yesterday? Better decision making? What's the ultimate prognostication about our transition game? Is Lethality quite possible?
Read the posts
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on October 07, 2023, 11:09:21 PM
I agree with the Dribbler that Shaka is unlikely to call on Ben to pay 20+ minutes a game. He'll get 15 or so and spell Oso. Meanwhile, I think you'll see a lot of Jop at the four and about 5-10 with Chase or Zaide playing the "4." Shaka was constantly yelling at the guys to push the pace. I think the tempo will be ramped up even more this season and Shaka will try to run the Klingons and Kalkbrenners and Sorianos of the league into the ground.
It depends on how healthy Gold is. I think he plays more than 20 minutes, because his ability to shoot the three or put it on the floor makes him a hard player for the other team to cover.
Quote from: bilsu on October 08, 2023, 10:55:32 AM
It depends on how healthy Gold is. I think he plays more than 20 minutes, because his ability to shoot the three or put it on the floor makes him a hard player for the other team to cover.
Can he defend and rebound? If he can and drains the 3 ball? Cancel Christmas bilsu. We're talking about an MU team with the potential to make things miserable for their opponents and destroy their will. :)
Yes, but can we win more than one game in the NCAA tournament?
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 08, 2023, 06:52:20 AM
Yes.
We are extremely blessed with many talented perimeter players. Kam Jones, Sean Jones, Kolek, Lowery, Norman, Ross, Mitchell, Joplin and Gold are all much better 3 point shooters than Oso. Those 8-10 foot jumpers in the lane and on the baseline, yes, Oso is very good with those and we need him to be a scorer on those. Same with those runners in the lane that he is so good at. But he is not a 3 point shooter, and I don't think it benefits the team to have our 6'11 Center standing out there firing up 23 foot jumpshots when we've got 9 other guys who can do it more effectively. If he wants to hoist one up now and then, fine.
if Oso's low slow release outside shot is as bad as everyones report, why would he ever take one? Draw the D out? Hardly. The D will let him take it all day every day. Again, based on the reporting here, it's not like Oso is going to get a hot hand from deep.
Oso...run the court and play in the paint!
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 08, 2023, 11:40:01 AM
Yes, but can we win more than one game in the NCAA tournament?
Tyko had a disastrous game vs MSU. I fully expect us to bounce back.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 08, 2023, 11:40:01 AM
Yes, but can we win more than one game in the NCAA tournament?
No
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 08, 2023, 07:05:47 AM
Oso's three point shooting would only be used to drag his defender away from the basket. Last year his defender would just sag back and defend the rim because he was no threat. Even it if were minimal, Oso having the ability to hit that shot would allow the floor to open up for everyone else.
So he won't be shooting a bunch, but I can see the benefit of him occasionally doing so.
Also, let's not exaggerate about our outside shooting ability. Last year we were a good three point shooting team, but hardly a great one.
They could put you out there to shoot 3's and space the floor but no one will cover you when you go 0-1000. He's never going to be a good outside shooter. Best way for other teams to pull their bigs out is for him to take guys off the dribble from DHO (did that often last season) or for him to improve his mid range floater. He's never going to be a three point threat.
He'll never be as good as our best tall three point shooter....Theo. :P
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 08, 2023, 12:02:20 PM
He'll never be as good as our best tall three point shooter....Theo. :P
Numbers never lie lol
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 08, 2023, 11:51:41 AM
Tyko had a disastrous game vs MSU. I fully expect us to bounce back.
MSU did a great job scouting MU. Among other things ,they recognized TKO has limitations using his right hand , so part of their game plan was to take away his left . The injury to TKO right hand made the situation worse .
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 08, 2023, 11:40:01 AM
Yes, but can we win more than one game in the NCAA tournament?
Yes, obviously. We're very talented, experienced and well-coached.
Of course, we also could lose in the first round, as recent #1 seeds Virginia and Purdue did.
Quote from: MU82 on October 08, 2023, 12:54:32 PM
Yes, obviously. We're very talented, experienced and well-coached.
Of course, we also could lose in the first round, as recent #1 seeds Virginia and Purdue did.
Thanks for the clarification
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 08, 2023, 12:29:19 PM
MSU did a great job scouting MU. Among other things ,they recognized TKO has limitations using his right hand , so part of their game plan was to take away his left . The injury to TKO right hand made the situation worse .
Yes, a team finally figured that out
Big Ben may be the reincarnation of Bill Walton.
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1711034072699424793?s=46&t=OJ8v5OSYAchdmCLDsa-Kgw
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on October 08, 2023, 01:17:50 PM
Big Ben may be the reincarnation of Bill Walton.
You dreaming!
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on October 08, 2023, 01:17:50 PM
Big Ben may be the reincarnation of Bill Walton.
Is there another Bill Walton that I'm unaware of?
As I said, only thinking Ben as good as Walton at UCLA is COLE.
I see Ben as more like putting Wilt, Kareem, Shaq and Jokic in a blender.
Ultimately done in by bad feet?
Quote from: Herman Cain on October 08, 2023, 12:29:19 PM
MSU did a great job scouting MU. Among other things ,they recognized TKO has limitations using his right hand , so part of their game plan was to take away his left . The injury to TKO right hand made the situation worse .
I recall Kolek making numerous key shots last season with his right hand......ie the layup through traffic over a shot blocker at Creighton.
Everyone has a dominant hand......the biggest thing MSU had goi g for them was Kolek was hurt.
Let's see some other thoughts on Kolek........ https://the-boneyard.com/threads/maybe-im-dumb-so-could-someone-explain.189255/
How do we best use our depth? I think it's a bit tricky distributing minutes. Although it's a high class prob.
Each player will show Shaka what they deserve but te returning players will get first chance, Lowery will play a tad, not sure about the other frosh
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 08, 2023, 05:42:13 PM
How do we best use our depth? I think it's a bit tricky distributing minutes. Although it's a high class prob.
We sit back and trust the coach who sees every player everyday.
How do you mute certain posters ?
Quote from: MU82 on October 08, 2023, 06:53:35 PM
We sit back and trust the coach who sees every player everyday.
I trust Shaka but I'm thinking about the best rotations/combinations that could lead to elite and consistent performances. It's unfortunate OMax left but I like this roster. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 08, 2023, 07:08:17 PM
I trust Shaka but I'm thinking about the best rotations/combinations that could lead to elite and consistent performances. It's unfortunate OMax left but I like this roster. :)
Nah, you would start 5 Spud Webb's
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 08, 2023, 12:02:20 PM
He'll never be as good as our best tall three point shooter....Theo. :P
Mike Kinsella was both taller (7'0) and a better career 3-point shooter (80.0%) than Theo.
Any leaks from the closed door scrimmage? Didn't see a thread on it, but guessing it got mentioned somewhere.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 08, 2023, 07:08:17 PM
I trust Shaka but I'm thinking about the best rotations/combinations that could lead to elite and consistent performances. It's unfortunate OMax left but I like this roster. :)
We had a guy drafted in the first round. There's nothing unfortunate about it.
Quote from: The Lens on October 09, 2023, 10:44:30 AM
We had a guy drafted in the first round. There's nothing unfortunate about it.
because we want MU to win, with long postseason runs, it's unfortunate we lose guys to the nba rather than have 'em stay another year or two where we might see our potential as a team. I think that's what Mugs is saying. For Omax personally, you are correct, nothing unfortunate about his decision. He went 1st round.
Quote from: Viper on October 09, 2023, 11:16:45 AM
because we want MU to win, with long postseason runs, it's unfortunate we lose guys to the nba rather than have 'em stay another year or two where we might see our potential as a team. I think that's what Mugs is saying. For Omax personally, you are correct, nothing unfortunate about his decision. He went 1st round.
It's a positive for the program overall in regards to showcasing player development. Of course it would be great to have OMax back but it's also a great opportunity for Jop, Ross, Gold, etc.
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 09, 2023, 10:22:58 AM
Mike Kinsella was both taller (7'0) and a better career 3-point shooter (80.0%) than Theo.
One of my favorite MU memories - kinsella v Pitt. He had such a good stroke. Was always knock down in warmup ups too.
It would be great if Marquette recruited 5-stars and 4-stars who would stay, develop and excel for 4 years ... while all of our opponents would recruit poorly and see all of their players leave after 1 year.
If Shaka can't make that happen, maybe he's not the right coach for Marquette.
Seriously Shaka does not want to recruit one and dones, not how he is building his teams. You say, Shaka is not the right coach, really. Big East titles last year, 17-3 in conference, excitement this year, you can not find a better coach. Let the big boys dole out money to one and dones which is totally stupid.
Quote from: BCHoopster on October 09, 2023, 02:35:24 PM
Seriously Shaka does not want to recruit one and dones, not how he is building his teams. You say, Shaka is not the right coach, really. Big East titles last year, 17-3 in conference, excitement this year, you can not find a better coach. Let the big boys dole out money to one and dones which is totally stupid.
100% agree with you. When is the last time a team of one and dones won a championship? The only team of one and dones that I can think of that did well was 2008 Memphis - and they lost in Championship game.
Maybe 2012 Kentucky could be considered the last team of one and dones that won a championship? Most of the time one and done teams don't work out.
Quote from: MUbiz on October 09, 2023, 02:41:49 PM
100% agree with you. When is the last time a team of one and dones won a championship? The only team of one and dones that I can think of that did well was 2008 Memphis - and they lost in Championship game.
Maybe 2012 Kentucky could be considered the last team of one and dones that won a championship? Most of the time one and done teams don't work out.
The 2015 Duke team was four freshmen and two sophomores.
Quote from: MUbiz on October 09, 2023, 02:41:49 PM
100% agree with you. When is the last time a team of one and dones won a championship? The only team of one and dones that I can think of that did well was 2008 Memphis - and they lost in Championship game.
Maybe 2012 Kentucky could be considered the last team of one and dones that won a championship? Most of the time one and done teams don't work out.
2015 Duke was led by four freshmen and Quinn Cook.
Quote from: BM1090 on October 09, 2023, 02:55:30 PM
2015 Duke was led by four freshmen and Quinn Cook.
Ah yes! Missed that team. Thanks!
Quote from: BCHoopster on October 09, 2023, 02:35:24 PM
Seriously Shaka does not want to recruit one and dones, not how he is building his teams. You say, Shaka is not the right coach, really. Big East titles last year, 17-3 in conference, excitement this year, you can not find a better coach. Let the big boys dole out money to one and dones which is totally stupid.
Pretty sure your sarcasm detector didn't go off...82 was being sarcastic.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on October 09, 2023, 11:30:59 AM
It's a positive for the program overall in regards to showcasing player development. Of course it would be great to have OMax back but it's also a great opportunity for Jop, Ross, Gold, etc.
...yes, I agree
Quote from: Elonsmusk on October 09, 2023, 03:17:22 PM
Pretty sure your sarcasm detector didn't go off...82 was being sarcastic.
A sarcasm detector? Oh, that's a
real useful invention.
Building a team full of one and dones may not be the best way to construct a roster. But having that top end talent is fairly necessary to winning a title. I can't find the stat right now, but something like only 3 teams have won a national championship without a McDonald's All American on the team, and a majority of national champions have multiple McDonald's All Americans.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2023, 04:09:49 PM
Building a team full of one and dones may not be the best way to construct a roster. But having that top end talent is fairly necessary to winning a title. I can't find the stat right now, but something like only 3 teams have won a national championship without a McDonald's All American on the team, and a majority of national champions have multiple McDonald's All Americans.
Historically yes. But recently, last year's UConn team and the 2021 Baylor team didn't have one. In fact, there wasn't a McD AA in the entire Final Four last year.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on October 08, 2023, 01:17:50 PM
Big Ben may be the reincarnation of Bill Walton.
Don't limit Ben by comparing him to only the 2nd greatest college center ever.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2023, 04:09:49 PM
Building a team full of one and dones may not be the best way to construct a roster. But having that top end talent is fairly necessary to winning a title. I can't find the stat right now, but something like only 3 teams have won a national championship without a McDonald's All American on the team, and a majority of national champions have multiple McDonald's All Americans.
Multiple NBA players is a better gauge I think. Wisconsin nearly won a national title without a burger boy but a number of those players at least had a cup of coffee in the association.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2023, 04:43:11 PM
Multiple NBA players is a better gauge I think. Wisconsin nearly won a national title without a burger boy but a number of those players at least had a cup of coffee in the association.
Or ... chicken & egg
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 09, 2023, 04:18:14 PM
Historically yes. But recently, last year's UConn team and the 2021 Baylor team didn't have one. In fact, there wasn't a McD AA in the entire Final Four last year.
Yeah the transfer situation definitely changes the landscape. And I thought the number was 3 teams as I knew for a long time it was Maryland that was the only team that had won a title without a Burger Boy, and knew UCONN this year. Remembered there was one other but couldn't remember who, thank you on Baylor.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2023, 07:34:18 PM
Yeah the transfer situation definitely changes the landscape. And I thought the number was 3 teams as I knew for a long time it was Maryland that was the only team that had won a title without a Burger Boy, and knew UCONN this year. Remembered there was one other but couldn't remember who, thank you on Baylor.
2014 UConn too.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 09, 2023, 02:54:32 PM
The 2015 Duke team was four freshmen and two sophomores.
2012 Kentucky too. 4 freshmen, 2 sophomores, and senior Darius Miller (who came off the bench). All future NBA players, all ranked in the top 35 of the RSCI. They actually had an 8th top 35 guy who got garbage minutes.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on October 09, 2023, 03:17:22 PM
Pretty sure your sarcasm detector didn't go off...82 was being sarcastic.
Who? Me?
Is it free to get In and is parking free too. I am thinking about going on Wednesday.
Quote from: marquettejr on October 13, 2023, 05:38:57 PM
Is it free to get In and is parking free too. I am thinking about going on Wednesday.
Lotsa cheapskates on here who can help u wit tha free parking. Just be ready to walk
Pretty sure ders free street parkin' on 6th and Brown, aina?