https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-senator-dianne-feinstein-dead-90
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 29, 2023, 07:56:26 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-senator-dianne-feinstein-dead-90
Everyone has term limits eventually.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 29, 2023, 08:17:35 AM
Everyone has term limits eventually.
There's an immortal jellyfish Hards. Also, Jonathan the Tortoise is like 190 years old.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 29, 2023, 08:24:30 AM
There's an immortal jellyfish Hards. Also, Jonathan the Tortoise is like 190 years old.
And on a long enough timeline they'll die too. Therefore the word eventually.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 29, 2023, 08:24:30 AM
There's an immortal jellyfish Hards. Also, Jonathan the Tortoise is like 190 years old.
Greenland sharks live up to 500 years. Maybe longer.
I think it's time she retires
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 29, 2023, 08:29:45 AM
Greenland sharks live up to 500 years. Maybe longer.
...and Giant Sequoias live more that 3000 years; damn, what a blessing to live 90 years.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 29, 2023, 08:24:30 AM
There's an immortal jellyfish Hards. Also, Jonathan the Tortoise is like 190 years old.
And both would be better senators than DiFi and the other dinosaurs.
IBTL
I still wouldn't be shocked to see her decide to stand for reelection in 2024.
Quote from: MUBurrow on September 29, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
I still wouldn't be shocked to see her decide to stand for reelection in 2024.
nm
Quote from: MUBurrow on September 29, 2023, 09:12:55 AM
I still wouldn't be shocked to see her decide to stand for reelection in 2024.
A weekend at Bernie's?
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 29, 2023, 09:52:42 AM
A weekend at Bernie's?
Which of Bernie's houses is the key question.
Taught she wuz ded yeers ago, hey?
First thing she did that's good for taxpayers in about 50 years.
Quote from: WarriorFan on September 29, 2023, 11:18:08 AM
First thing she did that's good for taxpayers in about 50 years.
Post of the year.
Quote from: WarriorFan on September 29, 2023, 11:18:08 AM
First thing she did that's good for taxpayers in about 50 years.
All jokes aside, she did a heck of alot for military veterans
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on September 29, 2023, 08:29:45 AM
Greenland sharks live up to 500 years. Maybe longer.
Good point Fluffy and an inexcusable oversight on my part. Greenland Sharks, or locally known as Eqalussuaq/Eqalussuit, are ultimate badassses and deserve a tremendous amount of respect. :)
She'll be votin blue in 13 months
The deep state got another one
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 29, 2023, 03:18:29 PM
The deep state got another one
I blame Trump
and Crean.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 29, 2023, 02:34:28 PM
She'll be votin blue in 13 months
As should anyone who prefers democracy to fascism.
No doubt Putin is behind this.
Feinstein was in a cat fight with her late Husbands daughters regarding certain trust fund assets .
I guess this settles that dispute
I disagreed with her 90% of the time. That said, she was a way above average Senator.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 29, 2023, 05:51:51 PM
I disagreed with her 90% of the time. That said, she was a way above average Senator.
If you enjoy kleptocracy, sure, she kicked ass.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 29, 2023, 08:23:12 PM
If you enjoy kleptocracy, sure, she kicked ass.
I mean she was hardly unique in that regard. Feel like thats kind of table stakes in examining the legacy of any long tenured politician.
Who on her staff is responsible for telling her?
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 29, 2023, 10:31:33 PM
Who on her staff is responsible for telling her?
Priceless!
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 29, 2023, 10:31:33 PM
Who on her staff is responsible for telling her?
McConnell's corpse.
Quote from: Jockey on September 30, 2023, 11:41:54 AM
McConnell's corpse.
A few walking corpses in DC besides Mitch.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 29, 2023, 10:31:33 PM
Who on her staff is responsible for telling her?
The same person on her staff who lied to her about Brett Kavanaugh being a serial rapist some 35 years previous.
Waiting to see if you guys make the same nasty comments when the likes of McConnell and Grassley go.
She set a lot of 'firsts' and blazed the trail for a lot of women on both sides of the aisle.
Quote from: Warriors4ever on September 30, 2023, 03:11:22 PM
Waiting to see if you guys make the same nasty comments when the likes of McConnell and Grassley go.
She set a lot of 'firsts' and blazed the trail for a lot of women on both sides of the aisle.
Their leader demands it. Yesterday he was making fun of Paul Pelosi again.
These guys will proudly wallow in the mud.
Quote from: Warriors4ever on September 30, 2023, 03:11:22 PM
Waiting to see if you guys make the same nasty comments when the likes of McConnell and Grassley go.
She set a lot of 'firsts' and blazed the trail for a lot of women on both sides of the aisle.
She and Ginsburg overstayed their welcome, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 30, 2023, 04:25:33 PM
She and Ginsburg overstayed their welcome, hey?
And significantly harmed the causes they claimed to care most about by doing so.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 30, 2023, 04:25:33 PM
She and Ginsburg overstayed their welcome, hey?
On deck in the "I'm--bigger--than--my--Party" club, Senator John Fetterman.
Nothing like a bunch of sweater vests dogging old people. I think we've reached a new level of enlightenment
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 30, 2023, 09:40:14 PM
On deck in the "I'm--bigger--than--my--Party" club, Senator John Fetterman.
You do know that about a dozen "look at me" radicals who think they're bigger than their party were trying to force a government shutdown, right?
McCarthy finally did the right thing, and now the radicals in his own party will again threaten to take his leadership position away from him.
Quote from: Warriors4ever on September 30, 2023, 03:11:22 PM
Waiting to see if you guys make the same nasty comments when the likes of McConnell and Grassley go.
She set a lot of 'firsts' and blazed the trail for a lot of women on both sides of the aisle.
Anyone who dies of old age in governmental office deserves substantial ridicule because it means they were way past their prime. We need term limits to solve this problem. Even more importantly, we need requirements for wealth and leadership experience (like Singapore) before people are allowed to stand for these offices. I'd much rather support a liberal like Herb Kohl who won't be bought than a conservative like McConnell who is available to the highest bidder - and can even switch positions within a week on issues when a better offer comes in.
These senators and representatives live on sucking up to power and sucking up to donors. They are almost all scum.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on September 30, 2023, 09:43:07 PM
Nothing like a bunch of sweater vests dogging old people. I think we've reached a new level of enlightenment
Great comment.
Quote from: WarriorFan on September 30, 2023, 10:46:49 PM
Even more importantly, we need requirements for wealth and leadership experience (like Singapore) before people are allowed to stand for these offices. I'd much rather support a liberal like Herb Kohl who won't be bought than a conservative like McConnell who is available to the highest bidder - and can even switch positions within a week on issues when a better offer comes in.
Because, as we all know, the wealthy are incorruptible and throughout history have shown a great proclivity toward the interests of the common man.
Bring back the aristocracy!
Quote from: Pakuni on October 01, 2023, 07:20:32 AM
Because, as we all know, the wealthy are incorruptible and throughout history have shown a great proclivity toward the interests of the common man.
Bring back the aristocracy!
Yeah that was one bizarro take whichever side you generally support.
Quote from: WarriorFan on September 30, 2023, 10:46:49 PM
Anyone who dies of old age in governmental office deserves substantial ridicule because it means they were way past their prime. We need term limits to solve this problem. Even more importantly, we need requirements for wealth and leadership experience (like Singapore) before people are allowed to stand for these offices. I'd much rather support a liberal like Herb Kohl who won't be bought than a conservative like McConnell who is available to the highest bidder - and can even switch positions within a week on issues when a better offer comes in.
These senators and representatives live on sucking up to power and sucking up to donors. They are almost all scum.
I'm not sure Singapore is a model for anything we want here.
Quote from: WarriorFan on September 30, 2023, 10:46:49 PM
Anyone who dies of old age in governmental office deserves substantial ridicule because it means they were way past their prime. We need term limits to solve this problem. Even more importantly, we need requirements for wealth and leadership experience (like Singapore) before people are allowed to stand for these offices. I'd much rather support a liberal like Herb Kohl who won't be bought than a conservative like McConnell who is available to the highest bidder - and can even switch positions within a week on issues when a better offer comes in.
These senators and representatives live on sucking up to power and sucking up to donors. They are almost all scum.
At what income level do you become immune from being bought? Cause if theres one thing the wealthy hate, it's more money
Quote from: WarriorFan on September 30, 2023, 10:46:49 PM
Anyone who dies of old age in governmental office deserves substantial ridicule because it means they were way past their prime. We need term limits to solve this problem. Even more importantly, we need requirements for wealth and leadership experience (like Singapore) before people are allowed to stand for these offices. I'd much rather support a liberal like Herb Kohl who won't be bought than a conservative like McConnell who is available to the highest bidder - and can even switch positions within a week on issues when a better offer comes in.
These senators and representatives live on sucking up to power and sucking up to donors. They are almost all scum.
That may be one of the single dumbest ideas I've seen posted on scoop.
Most of the uber wealthy people I know got there one of two ways. Inheriting it (often from a person who was corrupt/corruptable), or by being corrupt/corruptable.
And although I'm not a big fan of McConnell's politics. He was an attorney. He would have been wealthy no matter what he did. He got into politics, because he was inspired by Martin Luther King Jr.
As a side note, most of the comments in this thread are reprehensible. Regardless of whether you agreed with her politics. She is a human being, she had family, and she was successful and inspired a lot of people.
Quote from: forgetful on October 01, 2023, 09:43:55 AM
That may be one of the single dumbest ideas I've seen posted on scoop.
Most of the uber wealthy people I know got there one of two ways. Inheriting it (often from a person who was corrupt/corruptable), or by being corrupt/corruptable.
The vast majority of truly wealthy people I know earned it. Usually though entrepreneurship.
That being said, it's a terrible idea.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on September 30, 2023, 09:43:07 PM
Nothing like a bunch of sweater vests dogging old people. I think we've reached a new level of enlightenment
Since most of them think things were better in the past, you'd think they want old farts in charge to bring those good old days back
Quote from: forgetful on October 01, 2023, 09:43:55 AM
Most of the uber wealthy people I know got there one of two ways. Inheriting it (often from a person who was corrupt/corruptable), or by being corrupt/corruptable.
You make truly bad choices of the people you know.
I can honestly say the wealthiest people I know are some of the most ethical and generous people I know.
Yes, there are despicable people who have great wealth and they certainly generate media exposure that could lead people to assume all uber wealthy are bad people. Not very different than believing most police officers are horrible people.
Gaetz and the other wingnuts trying to cancel McCarthy.
Even the host started laughing this morning when McCarthy said Rs saved the country from the D attempted shutdown.
Quote from: forgetful on October 01, 2023, 09:43:55 AM
As a side note, most of the comments in this thread are reprehensible. Regardless of whether you agreed with her politics. She is a human being, she had family, and she was successful and inspired a lot of people.
Retire a hero or insist on feebly staying in office long enough to become a villain.
Obviously, there are good rich people and bad rich people, good poor people and bad poor people, good middle-class people and bad middle-class people.
But too often, there's stuff like this from today's WSJ "Number":
$14
Walmart's minimum hourly wage. Over the summer, Walmart reduced the starting hourly wage of some new hires in stores through a restructuring of store roles. In another change, many Walmart corporate staff are getting new titles and pay packages.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 01, 2023, 10:38:24 AM
You make truly bad choices of the people you know.
I can honestly say the wealthiest people I know are some of the most ethical and generous people I know.
Yes, there are despicable people who have great wealth and they certainly generate media exposure that could lead people to assume all uber wealthy are bad people. Not very different than believing most police officers are horrible people.
Spot on WT
The few Ubers I know are over and above generous with their time and money. My eyebrows did rise when I discovered DF acquired. >$ 100M in real estate on a Senators pay. Seems regardless of party congressmen seem very fortunate in their investments
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on October 01, 2023, 02:45:02 PM
Spot on WT
The few Ubers I know are over and above generous with their time and money. My eyebrows did rise when I discovered DF acquired. >$ 100M in real estate on a Senators pay. Seems regardless of party congressmen seem very fortunate in their investments
Might have something to do with the fact she was married to a billionaire.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 01, 2023, 02:52:52 PM
Might have something to do with the fact she was married to a billionaire.
Lol. Yeah. It's pretty obvious why she was wealthy.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 01, 2023, 10:38:24 AM
You make truly bad choices of the people you know.
I can honestly say the wealthiest people I know are some of the most ethical and generous people I know.
Yes, there are despicable people who have great wealth and they certainly generate media exposure that could lead people to assume all uber wealthy are bad people. Not very different than believing most police officers are horrible people.
I would argue you don't know what the business side of their life looks like.
Being generous has nothing to do with how they accumulated their wealth. The reason many say government officials are corrupt, is because part of the game is bribes/greasing palms, and many other related things. Who do you think does the greasing? Who do you think bends the rules, and buys the bills that allow them to prosper.
Those that are truly uber wealthy, got there by playing the system, which is the same system the politicians that people here are saying corrupt played. If the congressman/senators are corrupt, so are the businessman, can't have one without the other.
Quote from: forgetful on October 01, 2023, 03:34:54 PM
I would argue you don't know what the business side of their life looks like.
Being generous has nothing to do with how they accumulated their wealth. The reason many say government officials are corrupt, is because part of the game is bribes/greasing palms, and many other related things. Who do you think does the greasing? Who do you think bends the rules, and buys the bills that allow them to prosper.
Those that are truly uber wealthy, got there by playing the system, which is the same system the politicians that people here are saying corrupt played. If the congressman/senators are corrupt, so are the businessman, can't have one without the other.
Yeah that's just not my experience. I have had the fortune of knowing multiple people worth eight and nine figures who earned their wealth through their work. As I said, mostly through taking risks on themselves.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 01, 2023, 03:38:51 PM
Yeah that's just not my experience. I have had the fortune of knowing multiple people worth eight and nine figures who earned their wealth through their work. As I said, mostly through taking risks on themselves.
To be fair, I'm talking people with minimum net worths north of $500M. And I'm not saying they didn't get their wealth from their work, but rather the nature of the game very very often involves having to bend/break ones morals.
Quote from: MU82 on October 01, 2023, 01:14:20 PM
Gaetz and the other wingnuts trying to cancel McCarthy.
Seems crazy. I'm not a fan of McCarthy by any means, but in order to replace him, you need someone else who can get the votes to take his job after he's ousted. As it took 15 times to get him confirmed, it sure doesn't seem like anyone else is more likely. Probably a better shot a few Republicans cross the aisle and vote for Hakeem Jeffries than anyone else gets the Speakership from the Republican party.
And don't mean this politically (tough in this thread) but I'm honestly baffled by what the strategy could be in getting rid of him with no succession plan in place.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 02, 2023, 09:09:53 AM
And don't mean this politically (tough in this thread) but I'm honestly baffled by what the strategy could be in getting rid of him with no succession plan in place.
Strategy? You're funny!
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 02, 2023, 09:09:53 AM
Seems crazy. I'm not a fan of McCarthy by any means, but in order to replace him, you need someone else who can get the votes to take his job after he's ousted. As it took 15 times to get him confirmed, it sure doesn't seem like anyone else is more likely. Probably a better shot a few Republicans cross the aisle and vote for Hakeem Jeffries than anyone else gets the Speakership from the Republican party.
And don't mean this politically (tough in this thread) but I'm honestly baffled by what the strategy could be in getting rid of him with no succession plan in place.
Gaetz is a lunatic. His only plan is chaos and attention for himself. (He wants to run for FL gov after DeSantis is term limited.)
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on October 02, 2023, 10:09:32 AM
Gaetz is a lunatic. His only plan is chaos and attention for himself. (He wants to run for FL gov after DeSantis is term limited.)
Agreed. He is one of several (both side of the aisle), that I wouldn't trust to work at a McDonalds or mow my lawn.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 02, 2023, 09:09:53 AM
Seems crazy. I'm not a fan of McCarthy by any means, but in order to replace him, you need someone else who can get the votes to take his job after he's ousted. As it took 15 times to get him confirmed, it sure doesn't seem like anyone else is more likely. Probably a better shot a few Republicans cross the aisle and vote for Hakeem Jeffries than anyone else gets the Speakership from the Republican party.
And don't mean this politically (tough in this thread) but I'm honestly baffled by what the strategy could be in getting rid of him with no succession plan in place.
Kevin McCarthy, thank you for sacrificing your dignity. Here are some steak knives as a parting gift.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 03, 2023, 04:02:18 PM
Kevin McCarthy, thank you for sacrificing your dignity. Here are some steak knives as a parting gift.
This all could have been avoided if Kevin had just read "The Scorpion and the Frog" back in January.
Whole country being extorted by 11 members.
Cancel culture run amok.
Psst: It's not about spending; it's about dismantling democracy.
Quote from: MU82 on October 03, 2023, 04:12:00 PM
Cancel culture run amok.
Psst: It's not about spending; it's about dismantling democracy.
Only wish some of that $33,000,000,000,000 came my way.
It did. Military, etc.
I think I will take my M1 Abrams for a spin around the block now.
Quote from: tower912 on October 03, 2023, 04:17:34 PM
It did. Military.
We spend way too much on the military given how woke it's become. I heard sailors wrote poetry now! In what world have sailors ever written poetry?!?
Quote from: NCMUFan on October 03, 2023, 04:20:03 PM
I think I will take my M1 Abrams for a spin around the block now.
Check your zoning laws first
Take it on an interstate highway. Fill it up with fuel you are subsidizing.
I assume from your tone you returned your stimulus checks and whomever you work for did not get any money, either.
Tower, so do you keep adding additional items as your mind churns out other nifty thoughts? What was your major at MU? Are you using it a lot?
Journalism, with poli Sci and history minors. Perhaps you should occasionally ponder a new thought.
Too busy contributing to society with my major.
33 years as a firefighter. I am comfortable with my contribution.
Quote from: tower912 on October 03, 2023, 05:37:35 PM
33 years as a firefighter. I am comfortable with my contribution.
Another lazy public union employee sucking on the government teat.
Quote from: tower912 on October 03, 2023, 05:37:35 PM
33 years as a firefighter. I am comfortable with my contribution.
Didn't fly Air Force jets? Loser.
The 12 years as a neighborhood liaison for the department after starting the program, founding the PAC and then being on it for 23 years, and coaching 39 youth sports teams also shows that I am nothing but a leach. Guilty!
PS, in case you are wondering, NCMU, this time the alterations are primarily to clean up random periods from my cellphone.
Feinstein dead at 90 2.0 coming
Quote from: tower912 on October 03, 2023, 05:37:35 PM
33 years as a firefighter. I am comfortable with my contribution.
All that matters at the end of the day.
Indeed.
Quote from: NCMUFan on October 03, 2023, 07:18:11 PM
All that matters at the end of the day.
Then why degrade his major?
As if your college major has anything to do with your societal contributions.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on October 03, 2023, 07:52:03 PM
As if your college major has anything to do with your societal contributions.
What about college minors? Can I redeem myself there.
I suspect he was maligning journalists in general. Much like the rest of us malign dentists.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on October 03, 2023, 07:52:03 PM
As if your college major has anything to do with your societal contributions.
Only dental grads contribute to society
Political Science? Who would waste their time pursuing such a degree?
//two thumbs pointing at myself//
Tower, seems to me you did just fine.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on October 03, 2023, 05:51:29 PM
Didn't fly Air Force jets? Loser.
Don't forget contributes at the woman's shelter on Sundays. Has something to do with the Navajo nation. Harvard something something.
The Dems could regret giving the wingnuts power here.
Had a handful of moderate Dems voted against the ouster, keeping McCarthy as speaker, it would have rewarded compromise and pre-empted future attempts by Gaetz and his small band of anti-democracy yahoos to try to take over the government.
McCarthy was a lousy speaker who bent the knee at the alter of the seditionist god even after having correctly (albeit briefly) blamed the future criminal defendant for fomenting a violent coup attempt against America. But McCarthy at least was the devil the Dems knew, and a guy who at times was willing to work across the aisle for what he felt was the good of America.
Reagan is spinning in his grave today, and Tip O'Neill might be, too.
The very worst politicians in America got exactly what they wanted -- and it has absolutely nothing to do with deficit-reduction, governing or serving their constituents. They got attention, chaos and, most importantly, attaboys from the 91-felony criminal defendant they worship.
It's hard to see McCarthy's ouster turning out well for our great democratic republic.
Yes. However, McCarthy probably could have avoided it if he had not turned on the Democrats over the weekend after using them to keep the government running. Don't get a continuing resolution and then turn on those who gave you the votes.
Quote from: MU82 on October 04, 2023, 07:51:50 AM
Had a handful of moderate Dems voted against the ouster, keeping McCarthy as speaker, it would have rewarded compromise and pre-empted future attempts by Gaetz and his small band of anti-democracy yahoos to try to take over the government.
This is one point, Brother MU, you and I absolutely agree. Had the Democrats intervened, McCarthy would have owed them and the spirit of compromise might have prevailed in the House. Instead, as you note, we're headed for chaos.
Now back to the main topic. I'm not a liberal Democrat but I respected Senator Feinstein greatly. She was a trailblazer for women in the Senate and she represented her constituents well. You have to admire that. She was a great American and she will be missed.
Doubtful.
Meanwhile, Butler, da Newsom appointed U.S. senator, resides in Maryland. What da fook is goin' on in dis turd world country, formally known as da USA, hey?
Quote from: forgetful on October 04, 2023, 08:28:09 AM
Wait, is NCMU Keefe?
No.
I have to admit, I am just a big kid, and MUScoop is just a big mud puddle tempting me to jump into it.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 04, 2023, 08:26:07 AM
This is one point, Brother MU, you and I absolutely agree. Had the Democrats intervened, McCarthy would have owed them and the spirit of compromise might have prevailed in the House. Instead, as you note, we're headed for chaos.
I think the opposite is true. But you guys can have your fun pretending Rs would think rationally. Trump just called for the execution of all shoplifters and what R said "Hey, that's crazy"? The majority of them supported the overthrow of the US government.
But, yes they would do the rational thing.
You guys are as loony as they are if you think Dems voting for a snake like McCarthy would work.
And it doesn't matter anyway. By 2:31, we will all be zombies. Coincidentally, and there really are no coincidences, I am scheduled for my booster at 2:30 today (not a joke or sarcasm).
Quote from: tower912 on October 04, 2023, 08:13:12 AM
Yes. However, McCarthy probably could have avoided it if he had not turned on the Democrats over the weekend after using them to keep the government running. Don't get a continuing resolution and then turn on those who gave you the votes.
Dems weren't going to support McCarthy without significant concessions. There is no way Republicans would have gone along with that even if he did.
Quote from: Jockey on October 04, 2023, 09:20:50 AM
I think the opposite is true. But you guys can have your fun pretending Rs would think rationally. Trump just called for the execution of all shoplifters and what R said "Hey, that's crazy"? The majority of them supported the overthrow of the US government.
But, yes they would do the rational thing.
You guys are as loony as they are if you think Dems voting for a snake like McCarthy would work.
Agreed to this main thrust.
Galaxy brain stuff to see people think the Democratic party is responsible for upholding an institution and doing the bidding of the Speaker when they are the minority.
In a two party system when one of the those two has actively decided that democracy is more a shrug and not a foundational principle I am not absolving the arsonists of blame while I look at the firefighters and say "do more, do more".
All I'm saying is that the devil the Dems know might have proven less awful than the person likely to end up as speaker.
Others are free to disagree, and some already have.
Quote from: MU82 on October 04, 2023, 09:47:32 AM
All I'm saying is that the devil the Dems know might have proven less awful than the person likely to end up as speaker.
Others are free to disagree, and some already have.
The political calculus is that this new Speaker will be more problematic for Republicans than for Democrats because he/she will insist on creating headlines that will make Republicans seem even nuttier in 2024.
A government shut-down doesn't help the Republicans.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 04, 2023, 09:52:25 AM
The political calculus is that this new Speaker will be more problematic for Republicans than for Democrats because he/she will insist on creating headlines that will make Republicans seem even nuttier in 2024.
A government shut-down doesn't help the Republicans.
It's probably true that is the Dems' political calculus. And the end result you suggest could prove true, too.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 04, 2023, 09:23:34 AM
Dems weren't going to support McCarthy without significant concessions. There is no way Republicans would have gone along with that even if he did.
Exactly what I said (although you may have said it a bit more rationally).
Quote from: MU82 on October 04, 2023, 09:47:32 AM
All I'm saying is that the devil the Dems know might have proven less awful than the person likely to end up as speaker.
Others are free to disagree, and some already have.
82 I'm with you 100%. The problem is that the Dems often reach out to compromise only to have the Republicans either reject it or play it against them later. Look at healthcare (Dems went with a Republican plan from the Heritage Foundation not universal coverage), or free trade (in spite of opposition from unions, the Dems adopted the Republican position on NAFTA), or foreign affairs (who is strong v Russia now?). The list goes on and on with the Republicans arguing against positions they once held just so they have something to use against the Dems. Need more? Look at the The Gang of 8 in the Senate who agreed to immigration reform (rejected by the hard right), or entitlement reform like The Grand Bargain (again rejected by the hard right). So I agree with you that it may have been helpful for the Dems to reach out and help the Republicans again, but I wouldn't put it past the Republicans to blame it all on the Dems immediately thereafter.
Quote from: MU82 on October 04, 2023, 07:51:50 AM
The Dems could regret giving the wingnuts power here.
Had a handful of moderate Dems voted against the ouster, keeping McCarthy as speaker, it would have rewarded compromise and pre-empted future attempts by Gaetz and his small band of anti-democracy yahoos to try to take over the government.
McCarthy was a lousy speaker who bent the knee at the alter of the seditionist god even after having correctly (albeit briefly) blamed the future criminal defendant for fomenting a violent coup attempt against America. But McCarthy at least was the devil the Dems knew, and a guy who at times was willing to work across the aisle for what he felt was the good of America.
Reagan is spinning in his grave today, and Tip O'Neill might be, too.
The very worst politicians in America got exactly what they wanted -- and it has absolutely nothing to do with deficit-reduction, governing or serving their constituents. They got attention, chaos and, most importantly, attaboys from the 91-felony criminal defendant they worship.
It's hard to see McCarthy's ouster turning out well for our great democratic republic.
The notion that it was somehow incumbent upon the Democrats to save McCarthy and the rest of the
GOP from the monsters they created and empowered is a farce. Particularly after McCarthy publicly stated he didn't want the Dems support and would offer no concessions in return.
To borrow a tweet I saw, the stance of the "sane" GOP here seems to be:
"Democrats are communist satanist pedophile dictators who want to destroy America, and also it is their solemn responsibility to protect us from the rabid lunatics in our own party, in exchange for nothing."
Will the next Speaker be worse? Perhaps. But again, that's not the Democrats' problem to fix.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 04, 2023, 10:51:04 AM
The notion that it was somehow incumbent upon the Democrats to save McCarthy and the rest of the
GOP from the monsters they created and empowered is a farce. Particularly after McCarthy publicly stated he didn't want the Dems support and would offer no concessions in return.
To borrow a tweet I saw, the stance of the "sane" GOP here seems to be:
"Democrats are communist satanist pedophile dictators who want to destroy America, and also it is their solemn responsibility to protect us from the rabid lunatics in our own party, in exchange for nothing."
Will the next Speaker be worse? Perhaps. But again, that's not the Democrats' problem to fix.
Dems in disarray
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2023, 10:52:01 AM
Dems in disarray
Candidly, Congress is in disarray. The problem is the Administrative State is stepping in to fill the void. Absent Congress starting to collectively do what the American people sent them to do, the Administrative State will become much more paramount.
The Cheeto talks about "draining the swamp." If you want to drain the swamp, you begin by having Congress do its job and the President working with the Congress to get things done. Otherwise, career bureaucrats with no sense of how things work outside Interstate 495 will find ways to enhance their power and their control over everyday life.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 04, 2023, 10:51:04 AM
The notion that it was somehow incumbent upon the Democrats to save McCarthy and the rest of the
GOP from the monsters they created and empowered is a farce. Particularly after McCarthy publicly stated he didn't want the Dems support and would offer no concessions in return.
To borrow a tweet I saw, the stance of the "sane" GOP here seems to be:
"Democrats are communist satanist pedophile dictators who want to destroy America, and also it is their solemn responsibility to protect us from the rabid lunatics in our own party, in exchange for nothing."
Will the next Speaker be worse? Perhaps. But again, that's not the Democrats' problem to fix.
I agree with most of this. I also never said it was the Dems' responsibility to save McCarthy from the GOP or the GOP from itself.
The idealist in me would like a functioning government and a little less drama to get us there. But I'm a realist, too.
Meanwhile, I did just read two articles about how much the vast majority of Republicans in Congress truly hate Gaetz. They were fun reads, filled with quotes from those who are furious with him, but they helped create that monster, too.
I am going to paint with a broad brush: the GOP is a joke and deserves what they get. It will be hard to convince the voters who actually decide elections that they are the party to vote for.
Lotsa golf yet ta bea played, aina?
I need fresh blood.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 04, 2023, 01:33:53 PM
I am going to paint with a broad brush: the GOP is a joke and deserves what they get. It will be hard to convince the voters who actually decide elections that they are the party to vote for.
Never underestimate the stupidity of people.
Quote from: lawdog77 on October 04, 2023, 02:00:13 PM
Never underestimate the stupidity of people.
And no nation embraces its stupidity quite like America
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 04, 2023, 11:00:42 AM
Candidly, Congress is in disarray. The problem is the Administrative State is stepping in to fill the void. Absent Congress starting to collectively do what the American people sent them to do, the Administrative State will become much more paramount.
The Cheeto talks about "draining the swamp." If you want to drain the swamp, you begin by having Congress do its job and the President working with the Congress to get things done. Otherwise, career bureaucrats with no sense of how things work outside Interstate 495 will find ways to enhance their power and their control over everyday life.
Sorry, but this is silly bothsiderism. Congress isn't in disarray, one side of Congress is in disarray...the side that has no interest in governing but all the interest in throwing bombs and enriching themselves from the ensuing chaos. The side that, if Mitt Romney is to be believed, is afraid for the safety of themselves and their families if they vote against their cult leader. The side whose last four Speakers were 1) forced to resign by its own party, 2) quit because the monster they had created was ungovernable, 3) ditto, and 4) was voted out...not to mention their past Speaker who was jailed for being a pedophile.
Spare me the take that this is a both sides problem.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 04, 2023, 10:51:04 AM
Will the next Speaker be worse? Perhaps. But again, that's not the Democrats' problem to fix.
Or, as was so eloquently stated, "Not my monkey. Not my circus."
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 04, 2023, 08:26:07 AM
This is one point, Brother MU, you and I absolutely agree. Had the Democrats intervened, McCarthy would have owed them and the spirit of compromise might have prevailed in the House. Instead, as you note, we're headed for chaos.
Now back to the main topic. I'm not a liberal Democrat but I respected Senator Feinstein greatly. She was a trailblazer for women in the Senate and she represented her constituents well. You have to admire that. She was a great American and she will be missed.
BAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAH. McCarthy showed the Dems his true colors two days earlier. He would have owed them, but never would have paid.
Good Lord, man, the facts are out there.
Feinstein was great, and then the year 2010 hit and she didn't retire.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2023, 09:07:29 AM
Meanwhile, Butler, da Newsom appointed U.S. senator, resides in Maryland. What da fook is goin' on in dis turd world country, formally known as da USA, hey?
He wasn't going to appoint anyone you liked anyway, so why do you care?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 04, 2023, 01:33:53 PM
I am going to paint with a broad brush: the GOP is a joke and deserves what they get. It will be hard to convince the voters who actually decide elections that they are the party to vote for.
Which is why I say let them continue fighting with each other over complete stupidity.
Quote from: MU82 on October 04, 2023, 01:10:11 PM
I agree with most of this. I also never said it was the Dems' responsibility to save McCarthy from the GOP or the GOP from itself.
Sorry, didn't mean to imply that was your stance. It's been the stance among some McCarthy supporters and non-MAGA Republicans.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 04, 2023, 02:24:54 PM
He wasn't going to appoint anyone you liked anyway, so why do you care?
Because that's what Fox told him to be angry about today
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on October 04, 2023, 03:07:27 PM
Because that's what Fox told him to be angry about today
I mean it's objectively a huge joke and pandering bastardization of what should be done in that situation. But at the same time, it's the kind of shady grey area maneuvering the GOP has been fantastic at for a decade that the Dems haven't been able to counter or refuse to. So there's that.
This really should the catalyst for the fracturing of the framework of the 2 party system and allow for more representative parties/candidates. But we know that has 0% chance of happening
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 04, 2023, 02:01:58 PM
And no nation embraces its stupidity quite like America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDUIX2-akuQ
Quote from: JWags85 on October 04, 2023, 04:14:52 PM
I mean it's objectively a huge joke and pandering bastardization of what should be done in that situation. But at the same time, it's the kind of shady grey area maneuvering the GOP has been fantastic at for a decade that the Dems haven't been able to counter or refuse to. So there's that.
This really should the catalyst for the fracturing of the framework of the 2 party system and allow for more representative parties/candidates. But we know that has 0% chance of happening
Not defending (or criticizing) this particular choice, because unlike 4ever - who no doubt has thoroughly researched this - I know very little about Laphonza Butler.
But why is it so often that when a black woman is chosen for something - vice president, Supreme Court, U.S. Senate, starring role in a Disney film,a hosting gig on a sports network - it's labeled as pandering?
Seems those complaints come with an underlying current of something.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 04, 2023, 04:30:07 PM
Not defending (or criticizing) this particular choice, because unlike 4ever - who no doubt has thoroughly researched this - I know very little about Laphonza Butler.
But why is it so often that when a black woman is chosen for something - vice president, Supreme Court, U.S. Senate, starring role in a Disney film,a hosting gig on a sports network - it's labeled as pandering?
Seems those complaints come with an underlying current of something.
I have nothing to say about the other things you listed as I wasn't referring to them, but overlooking a number of very qualified options right in California to select an African American lesbian from residing the country who never held or ran for political office (after specifically promising to appoint an African American woman) just feels pandering.
If he had selected Barbara Lee, or if Katie Porter was African American and selected, I wouldn't think it was really pandering at all.
I tend to think if Butler was a white male appointed in the same scenario, over Lee and Porter, people would be losing their mind
Quote from: JWags85 on October 04, 2023, 04:49:54 PM
I have nothing to say about the other things you listed as I wasn't referring to them, but overlooking a number of very qualified options right in California to select an African American lesbian from residing the country who never held or ran for political office (after specifically promising to appoint an African American woman) just feels pandering.
If he had selected Barbara Lee, or if Katie Porter was African American and selected, I wouldn't think it was really pandering at all.
I tend to think if Butler was a white male appointed in the same scenario, over Lee and Porter, people would be losing their mind
Here's a thought:
The appointment of Butler has much less to do with pandering to a specific part of the electorate than it does with allowing Newsom to avoid playing favorites in the race to replace Feinstein, and thereby alienating the well-connected and well-heeled backers of Schiff, Porter and Lee. I suspect none are happy with the choice, but none can claim they were disadvantaged by it either.
Butler has not announced any intention to run, and as a little-known outsider with no real campaign experience, she would seem to have little chance against the already declared candidates.
So, Newsom avoids choosing sides and none of the leading candidates gets a leg up.
And anyone who thinks the U.S. Senate does anything differently over the next 14 months with Butler in office instead of Lee or Porter is mistaken.
How 'bout the the best qualified person be appointed to these vacancies, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2023, 05:54:18 PM
How 'bout the the best qualified person be appointed to these vacancies, hey?
Why do you assume that's not the case when the appointee is a black woman?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2023, 05:54:18 PM
How 'bout the the best qualified person be appointed to these vacancies, hey?
Ah, so no one in government then.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 04, 2023, 05:55:06 PM
Why do you assume that's not the case when the appointee is a black woman?
Following his leader.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 04, 2023, 05:55:06 PM
Why do you assume that's not the case when the appointee is a black woman?
Dude, don't try to put words in my mouth. As Wags said, she's a little known outsider with no campaign experience, hey?
Quote from: Pakuni on October 04, 2023, 05:28:00 PM
Here's a thought:
The appointment of Butler has much less to do with pandering to a specific part of the electorate than it does with allowing Newsom to avoid playing favorites in the race to replace Feinstein, and thereby alienating the well-connected and well-heeled backers of Schiff, Porter and Lee. I suspect none are happy with the choice, but none can claim they were disadvantaged by it either.
Butler has not announced any intention to run, and as a little-known outsider with no real campaign experience, she would seem to have little chance against the already declared candidates.
So, Newsom avoids choosing sides and none of the leading candidates gets a leg up.
And anyone who thinks the U.S. Senate does anything differently over the next 14 months with Butler in office instead of Lee or Porter is mistaken.
He's right ya know
Quote from: JWags85 on October 04, 2023, 04:14:52 PM
I mean it's objectively a huge joke and pandering bastardization of what should be done in that situation. But at the same time, it's the kind of shady grey area maneuvering the GOP has been fantastic at for a decade that the Dems haven't been able to counter or refuse to. So there's that.
We can certainly debate the propriety of it. Is that what we think 4ever is doing? Do we all recall how he was equally upset when Oz was running for PA and Walker was running for GA and they lived in NJ and TX respectively? Or how he is such a fierce opponent of the leader of the TN legislature that not only doesn't live in his district but actually charges taxpayers for expenses from the district he actually lives in? No?
No, he is just regurgitating the outrage
de jure that Fox has been peddling. You always know what Fox is telling its viewers to be angry about on any given day by the seemingly random inputs here from that contingent. Biden's dog! Hunter's laptop! Biden didn't wear socks!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2023, 06:01:21 PM
Dude, don't try to put words in my mouth. As Wags said, she's a little known outsider with no campaign experience, hey?
So was Trump.
Some men choose not to wear socks. Unfortunately, da Buffoon doesn't know whether he's wearin' socks or not, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2023, 06:01:21 PM
Dude, don't try to put words in my mouth. As Wags said, she's a little known outsider with no campaign experience, hey?
Actually, I said that. Though I'm not sure why her lack of campaign experience makes her less qualified. Explain further.
I didn't see you raise concerns about Amy Coney Barrett's lack of judicial experience and wondering why a more qualified person wasn't selected.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on October 04, 2023, 06:04:42 PM
We can certainly debate the propriety of it. Is that what we think 4ever is doing? Do we all recall how he was equally upset when Oz was running for PA and Walker was running for GA and they lived in NJ and TX respectively? Or how he is such a fierce opponent of the leader of the TN legislature that not only doesn't live in his district but actually charges taxpayers for expenses from the district he actually lives in? No?
No, he is just regurgitating the outrage de jure that Fox has been peddling. You always know what Fox is telling its viewers to be angry about on any given day by the seemingly random inputs here from that contingent. Biden's dog! Hunter's laptop! Biden didn't wear socks!
I get your point. And I don't disagree with Pakuni's general point about the political strategy. Though you can certainly pander/placate with a placeholder. There has been ample discussion criticizing NFL owners doing that with interim/fall guy HC appointments/hires.
I'm not outraged. Politics is gross and slimy and you can never run out of activities in the grey that are pretty questionable. It is what it is. I was more pushing back at the idea that you have to have some issue with selection or promotion of African American women to highlight this. But without a doubt there are plenty and plenty of people outraged and screaming about this on social media who couldn't articulate 2 sentences as to what about it is improper or questionable
To the victor go the spoils, hey?
Quote from: JWags85 on October 04, 2023, 06:13:32 PM
I get your point. And I don't disagree with Pakuni's general point about the political strategy. Though you can certainly pander/placate with a placeholder. There has been ample discussion criticizing NFL owners doing that with interim/fall guy HC appointments/hires.
I'm not outraged. Politics is gross and slimy and you can never run out of activities in the grey that are pretty questionable. It is what it is. I was more pushing back at the idea that you have to have some issue with selection or promotion of African American women to highlight this. But without a doubt there are plenty and plenty of people outraged and screaming about this on social media who couldn't articulate 2 sentences as to what about it is improper or questionable
I mostly agree with you, I think it is very fair to debate the choice on the merits. I do agree with Newsom's the idea of not nominating one of the three leading candidates so as to stay impartial.
Jim Jordan wants the job.
Pathological liar. Election denier. Worships the ground that the 91-felony criminal defendant walks on. Radical wingnut. As Ohio State assistant wrestling coach, looked the other way as athletes he coached were getting sexually abused by the team doctor.
Sounds like a choice even Matt Gaetz would love.
Quote from: lawdog77 on October 04, 2023, 06:47:11 PM
Trump was little known?
He had no campaign experience.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 04, 2023, 06:53:49 PM
He had no campaign experience.
Thats different than being little known. I think everyone knew what a fraud he was beforehand.
Quote from: MU82 on October 04, 2023, 06:32:18 PM
Jim Jordan wants the job.
Pathological liar. Election denier. Worships the ground that the 91-felony criminal defendant walks on. Radical wingnut. As Ohio State assistant wrestling coach, looked the other way as athletes he coached were getting sexually abused by the team doctor.
Sounds like a choice even Matt Gaetz would love.
Is this considered politics?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 04, 2023, 07:23:04 PM
Is this considered politics?
Sure. And it's the first political post in this thread.
Quote from: MU82 on October 04, 2023, 07:45:51 PM
Sure. And it's the first political post in this thread.
Of course it's not but you (and Smith) take things to another level. I gave up on him long ago. You? Never.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2023, 06:07:47 PM
Some men choose not to wear socks. Unfortunately, da Buffoon doesn't know whether he's wearin' socks or not, aina?
It happens to men his size that he can't see his ankles anymore. Plus the orange hue on his collar as he looks down would be unappetizing.
Quote from: lawdog77 on October 04, 2023, 06:55:29 PM
Thats different than being little known. I think everyone knew what a fraud he was beforehand.
So you're saying that 60 - 70 million Rs were openly searching for a fraud? I would agree with that.
Quote from: Jockey on October 04, 2023, 08:21:26 PM
So you're saying that 60 - 70 million Rs were openly searching for a fraud? I would agree with that.
I think they didn't care that he was a fraud.
Quote from: lawdog77 on October 04, 2023, 08:28:06 PM
I think they didn't care that he was a fraud.
Could be said of every presidential election.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 04, 2023, 05:55:06 PM
Why do you assume that's not the case when the appointee is a black woman?
Why do you assume that's not the case when the appointee is Gorsuch, Kavanaugh or Comey-Barrtt?
Because two out of three of them shouldn't be on the court.
I wonder how Gorsuch and Barrett feel knowing they were placed on the court by illegitimate means?
Probably doesn't bother them much.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 04, 2023, 09:04:04 PM
Why do you assume that's not the case when the appointee is Gorsuch, Kavanaugh or Comey-Barrtt?
Assuming facts not in evidence, your honor.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 04, 2023, 07:53:19 PM
Of course it's not but you (and Smith) take things to another level. I gave up on him long ago. You? Never.
This is silly, Tony.
6 pages into a totally political thread, in which numerous Scoopers of different political ideologies made totally political posts, you decided to call out a comment because it was "politics"?
Okay then. Have a good one.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 04, 2023, 05:28:00 PM
Here's a thought:
The appointment of Butler has much less to do with pandering to a specific part of the electorate than it does with allowing Newsom to avoid playing favorites in the race to replace Feinstein, and thereby alienating the well-connected and well-heeled backers of Schiff, Porter and Lee. I suspect none are happy with the choice, but none can claim they were disadvantaged by it either.
Butler has not announced any intention to run, and as a little-known outsider with no real campaign experience, she would seem to have little chance against the already declared candidates.
So, Newsom avoids choosing sides and none of the leading candidates gets a leg up.
And anyone who thinks the U.S. Senate does anything differently over the next 14 months with Butler in office instead of Lee or Porter is mistaken.
I know already covered in subsequent posts, but Governor Newsome previously said he won't nominate anyone already running for the open seat.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 04, 2023, 09:22:41 PM
Because two out of three of them shouldn't be on the court.
I wonder how Gorsuch and Barrett feel knowing they were placed on the court by illegitimate means?
Probably doesn't bother them much.
I have no idea what you mean by "illegitimate means." They both were nominated and approved by the Senate as prescribed by the Constitution.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 04, 2023, 07:53:19 PM
Of course it's not but you (and Smith) take things to another level. I gave up on him long ago. You? Never.
Stay mad. You're in a thread about politics whining about politics. Jesus Christ.
"The ouster captures the degraded state of the Republican Party in this era of rage."
- Wall Street Journal editorial board
President Biden to continue building "Trump's" wall at the boarder.
Biden = xenophobic racist. ::)
And Biden hates the Earth too:
""There is presently an acute and immediate need to construct physical barriers and roads in the vicinity of the border of the United States in order to prevent unlawful entries into the United States in the project areas," the notice reads. It added that the administration will waive federal, state and local laws that protect water, air and endangered species to speed up the construction. "
This is why dyed in the wool Democrats and Republicans drive me crazy. The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 05, 2023, 08:58:53 AM
President Biden to continue building "Trump's" wall at the boarder.
Biden = xenophobic racist. ::)
And Biden hates the Earth too:
""There is presently an acute and immediate need to construct physical barriers and roads in the vicinity of the border of the United States in order to prevent unlawful entries into the United States in the project areas," the notice reads. It added that the administration will waive federal, state and local laws that protect water, air and endangered species to speed up the construction. "
This is why dyed in the wool Democrats and Republicans drive me crazy. The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
If that is what is happening, it is as wasteful and pointless now as it was years ago.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 05, 2023, 09:15:34 AM
If that is what is happening, it is as wasteful and pointless now as it was years ago.
Yes, it is happening.
I think you have a valid and logical position.
The issue is complex with plenty of gray area. Reasonable people can be on both sides of the arguments. There is no need to rush to labeling people racist.
<Personally, I have advocated for more liberal immigration policies to allow more and safer immigration from Mexico to the US for 15+ years. I have felt the Democrats and Republicans have treated these people awfully. The policies of simply turning a blind eye to illigal immigration is terrible and inhumane.>
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 05, 2023, 06:25:54 AM
Stay mad. You're in a thread about politics whining about politics. Jesus Christ.
Scoop is a politics free zone according to our moderators...
Except, of course, when they believe there's an opportunity for hypocritical partisans on their side to attack hypocritical partisans on the other.
So basically hypocrisy which they not only allow but participate in.
Mad? Not at all. Like Elvis Costello, "I used to be disgusted, but now I try ro be amused".
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 05, 2023, 09:45:05 AM
Scoop is a politics free zone according to our moderators...
Except, of course, when they believe there's an opportunity for hypocritical partisans on their side to attack hypocritical partisans on the other.
So basically hypocrisy which they not only allow but participate in.
Mad? Not at all. Like Elvis Costello, "I used to be disgusted, but now I try ro be amused".
This post is the Spider-Man meme in word form.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 05, 2023, 09:45:05 AM
Scoop is a politics free zone according to our moderators...
Except, of course, when they believe there's an opportunity for hypocritical partisans on their side to attack hypocritical partisans on the other.
So basically hypocrisy which they not only allow but participate in.
Mad? Not at all. Like Elvis Costello, "I used to be disgusted, but now I try ro be amused".
This is a thread about a dead senator that has existed for almost a week now. Spare me the faux outrage, Lenny.
If you care enough to cry about the thread, then just hit report instead and make the mods nuke it. But you don't actually care... you've just said it, and you're participating in it. You just want to play the victim here, as usual.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 05, 2023, 09:45:05 AM
Scoop is a politics free zone according to our moderators...
Except, of course, when they believe there's an opportunity for hypocritical partisans on their side to attack hypocritical partisans on the other.
So Lenny, your assertion is that the mods only allow people on "their side" to make political posts? Which of the following posts from this thread are from posters on "their side"?
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on September 29, 2023, 09:05:25 AM
And both would be better senators than DiFi and the other dinosaurs.
Quote from: WarriorFan on September 29, 2023, 11:18:08 AM
First thing she did that's good for taxpayers in about 50 years.
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 29, 2023, 11:46:47 AM
Post of the year.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 29, 2023, 02:34:28 PM
She'll be votin blue in 13 months
Quote from: Herman Cain on September 29, 2023, 05:45:35 PM
Feinstein was in a cat fight with her late Husbands daughters regarding certain trust fund assets .
I guess this settles that dispute
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 30, 2023, 02:53:44 PM
The same person on her staff who lied to her about Brett Kavanaugh being a serial rapist some 35 years previous.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 30, 2023, 04:25:33 PM
She and Ginsburg overstayed their welcome, hey?
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 30, 2023, 09:40:14 PM
On deck in the "I'm--bigger--than--my--Party" club, Senator John Fetterman.
Quote from: WarriorFan on September 30, 2023, 10:46:49 PM
Anyone who dies of old age in governmental office deserves substantial ridicule because it means they were way past their prime. We need term limits to solve this problem. Even more importantly, we need requirements for wealth and leadership experience (like Singapore) before people are allowed to stand for these offices. I'd much rather support a liberal like Herb Kohl who won't be bought than a conservative like McConnell who is available to the highest bidder - and can even switch positions within a week on issues when a better offer comes in.
These senators and representatives live on sucking up to power and sucking up to donors. They are almost all scum.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on October 02, 2023, 10:09:32 AM
Gaetz is a lunatic. His only plan is chaos and attention for himself. (He wants to run for FL gov after DeSantis is term limited.)
Quote from: NCMUFan on October 03, 2023, 04:15:54 PM
Only wish some of that $33,000,000,000,000 came my way.
Quote from: NCMUFan on October 03, 2023, 05:18:22 PM
Tower, so do you keep adding additional items as your mind churns out other nifty thoughts? What was your major at MU? Are you using it a lot?
Quote from: NCMUFan on October 03, 2023, 05:22:25 PM
Too busy contributing to society with my major.
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 04, 2023, 08:26:07 AM
This is one point, Brother MU, you and I absolutely agree. Had the Democrats intervened, McCarthy would have owed them and the spirit of compromise might have prevailed in the House. Instead, as you note, we're headed for chaos.
Now back to the main topic. I'm not a liberal Democrat but I respected Senator Feinstein greatly. She was a trailblazer for women in the Senate and she represented her constituents well. You have to admire that. She was a great American and she will be missed.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2023, 09:07:29 AM
Meanwhile, Butler, da Newsom appointed U.S. senator, resides in Maryland. What da fook is goin' on in dis turd world country, formally known as da USA, hey?
Quote from: dgies9156 on October 04, 2023, 11:00:42 AM
Candidly, Congress is in disarray. The problem is the Administrative State is stepping in to fill the void. Absent Congress starting to collectively do what the American people sent them to do, the Administrative State will become much more paramount.
The Cheeto talks about "draining the swamp." If you want to drain the swamp, you begin by having Congress do its job and the President working with the Congress to get things done. Otherwise, career bureaucrats with no sense of how things work outside Interstate 495 will find ways to enhance their power and their control over everyday life.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 04, 2023, 04:49:54 PM
I have nothing to say about the other things you listed as I wasn't referring to them, but overlooking a number of very qualified options right in California to select an African American lesbian from residing the country who never held or ran for political office (after specifically promising to appoint an African American woman) just feels pandering.
If he had selected Barbara Lee, or if Katie Porter was African American and selected, I wouldn't think it was really pandering at all.
I tend to think if Butler was a white male appointed in the same scenario, over Lee and Porter, people would be losing their mind
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2023, 05:54:18 PM
How 'bout the the best qualified person be appointed to these vacancies, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2023, 06:01:21 PM
Dude, don't try to put words in my mouth. As Wags said, she's a little known outsider with no campaign experience, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 04, 2023, 06:07:47 PM
Some men choose not to wear socks. Unfortunately, da Buffoon doesn't know whether he's wearin' socks or not, aina?
Quote from: JWags85 on October 04, 2023, 06:13:32 PM
I get your point. And I don't disagree with Pakuni's general point about the political strategy. Though you can certainly pander/placate with a placeholder. There has been ample discussion criticizing NFL owners doing that with interim/fall guy HC appointments/hires.
I'm not outraged. Politics is gross and slimy and you can never run out of activities in the grey that are pretty questionable. It is what it is. I was more pushing back at the idea that you have to have some issue with selection or promotion of African American women to highlight this. But without a doubt there are plenty and plenty of people outraged and screaming about this on social media who couldn't articulate 2 sentences as to what about it is improper or questionable
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 04, 2023, 09:04:04 PM
Why do you assume that's not the case when the appointee is Gorsuch, Kavanaugh or Comey-Barrtt?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 05, 2023, 08:58:53 AM
President Biden to continue building "Trump's" wall at the boarder.
Biden = xenophobic racist. ::)
And Biden hates the Earth too:
""There is presently an acute and immediate need to construct physical barriers and roads in the vicinity of the border of the United States in order to prevent unlawful entries into the United States in the project areas," the notice reads. It added that the administration will waive federal, state and local laws that protect water, air and endangered species to speed up the construction. "
This is why dyed in the wool Democrats and Republicans drive me crazy. The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
So either:
1. You think posters like Ziggy, NCMU, 4ever, Dickthedribler, etc are all on "their side"
2. All those posters have been secretly banned and we just don't know it....and they are all somehow still posting
3. You have rare form of blindness that only allows you to read posts made by people who are the opposite of your political affiliation
4. Or maybe, just maybe, the mods allow people on both sides to make political posts, especially during the summer, and only step in when a thread gets out of control.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 05, 2023, 09:32:43 AM
Yes, it is happening.
I think you have a valid and logical position.
The issue is complex with plenty of gray area. Reasonable people can be on both sides of the arguments. There is no need to rush to labeling people racist.
<Personally, I have advocated for more liberal immigration policies to allow more and safer immigration from Mexico to the US for 15+ years. I have felt the Democrats and Republicans have treated these people awfully. The policies of simply turning a blind eye to illigal immigration is terrible and inhumane.>
More context. TLDR: Funds appropriated in FY2019, Congress refused to redirect them, must be spent by FY23 on the stated purpose.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/cbp-moves-forward-rgv-barrier-and-yuma-andrade-and-el-centro-calexico
In FY 2019 Congress appropriated CBP $1.375B "for the construction of primary pedestrian fencing, including levee pedestrian fencing, in the Rio Grande Valley". Today, CBP has an estimated $190M remaining in FY 2019 funding. The Administration continues to call on Congress to cancel or reappropriate remaining border barrier funding and instead fund smarter border security measures, like border technology and modernization of land ports of entry, that are proven to be more effective at improving safety and security at the border. Until and unless Congress cancels these funds, the law requires DHS to use the funds consistent with their appropriated purpose. DHS first pursued other priority projects in RGV with the appropriated FY 2019 funding, including life, safety, environmental, and other remediation measures, system attributes for existing barrier, and environmental mitigation projects.
Democracy is doomed ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/04/republican-votes-kevin-mccarthy-ousted/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most
When the House of Representatives voted to oust Kevin McCarthy as speaker on Tuesday, it was the first such removal in American history, a vivid rebuke of his leadership and an escalation of the civil strife within the Republican Party.
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But historians and political scientists say it is something more: a warning sign for the health of American democracy.
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) was ousted from the speakership Tuesday, marking the first such removal in congressional history. He will be replaced by Rep. Patrick T. McHenry (R-N.C.) until a permanent leader is chosen. Here's the latest news on the search for the next House speaker.
"If you want to know what it looks like when democracy is in trouble, this is what it looks like," said Daniel Ziblatt, professor of government at Harvard University. "It should set off alarm bells that something is not right."
The vote reflected the enormous power that a small group of representatives camped on their party's ideological fringe can wield over an entire institution, said Ziblatt, co-author of the book "Tyranny of the Minority." It also showcased how difficult it will be for anyone to corral the House in a way that's functional, with major decisions over the budget and Ukraine funding ahead.
Congress arrived at this point for myriad reasons, all of which build on one another, scholars say: Social media and cable news incentivized politicians to perform for the camera, not for their constituents. Aggressive gerrymandering created deeply partisan districts where representation is decided in primary contests, not general elections. Weakened political parties became captive to their loudest and most extreme members.
Taken together, those factors handed a small number of lawmakers the power to throw one of the three branches of government into disarray and, for now, paralysis.
The band of eight Republicans who rejected McCarthy, most of whom are members of the hard-right Freedom Caucus, were opposed by 210 of their fellow GOP representatives, all of whom voted to keep the speaker in place.
The rebels collectively represent just 1.8 percent of the country, all in safely Republican districts. But with Democrats voting in lockstep against a speaker who they said had repeatedly broken their trust, that was enough to secure McCarthy's defeat in a closely divided House.
In total hindsight, instead of manufacturing doing a major migration to China it should have moved to Mexico.
Raise the standard of living on our own continent instead of on the other side of the world. May have helped stop the flood of immigrants to the USA. Also, security wise, we are so dependent on China for everything.
My grandparents were immigrants from Europe in the early 20th century. Going through Ellis Iland the government had some sense of control. Streaming over the borders seems out of control. But can't blame them. My grandparents came here on the hope of a better life.
Quote from: NCMUFan on October 06, 2023, 07:52:22 PM
In total hindsight, instead of manufacturing doing a major migration to China it should have moved to Mexico.
Raise the standard of living on our own continent instead of on the other side of the world. May have helped stop the flood of immigrants to the USA. Also, security wise, we are so dependent on China for everything.
My grandparents were immigrants from Europe in the early 20th century. Going through Ellis Iland the government had some sense of control. Streaming over the borders seems out of control. But can't blame them. My grandparents came here on the hope of a better life.
I get your points. While manufacturing and jobs for Mexico would be better, you have to understand how inexpensive China labor was when the mass exodus happened. Much less than even Mexico. About 1/19 of US labor in the 2000s.
Quote from: NCMUFan on October 06, 2023, 07:52:22 PM
In total hindsight, instead of manufacturing doing a major migration to China it should have moved to Mexico.
Raise the standard of living on our own continent instead of on the other side of the world. May have helped stop the flood of immigrants to the USA. Also, security wise, we are so dependent on China for everything.
My grandparents were immigrants from Europe in the early 20th century. Going through Ellis Iland the government had some sense of control. Streaming over the borders seems out of control. But can't blame them. My grandparents came here on the hope of a better life.
China was/is cheaper. Corporations make more money. Better return on stock buybacks. Shareholders make more money.
I like the idea of trying solutions to stop the illegal immigration though.
What about the US eliminating sanctions that cripple other Latin American nations? What about helping to stabilize economics and countries on the continent? Make it easier for folks to not feel like they have to flee their home countries?
What about providing proper funding for immigration infrastructure to address the asylum seekers in a timely manner?
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 06, 2023, 09:37:51 PM
China was/is cheaper. Corporations make more money. Better return on stock buybacks. Shareholders make more money.
I like the idea of trying solutions to stop the illegal immigration though.
What about the US eliminating sanctions that cripple other Latin American nations? What about helping to stabilize economics and countries on the continent? Make it easier for folks to not feel like they have to flee their home countries?
What about providing proper funding for immigration infrastructure to address the asylum seekers in a timely manner?
There is also the aspect that the US government thought that investing in China would lead to a strong Chinese middle class that would be more likely to be anti-communist and might try to overthrow the communist regime.
Quote from: MU82 on October 06, 2023, 05:30:20 PM
Congress arrived at this point for myriad reasons, all of which build on one another, scholars say: Social media and cable news incentivized politicians to perform for the camera, not for their constituents. Aggressive gerrymandering created deeply partisan districts where representation is decided in primary contests, not general elections. A weakened political parties party became captive to their loudest and most extreme members.
Fixed. This bothsiderism is maddening.
When members from BOTH political parties fear for the safety of themselves and their families if they don't vote with dear leader...
When the leader of BOTH political parties dines with white nationalists, and employs white nationalist organizations to spearhead an attack on the U.S. Capitol...
When members from BOTH political parties call for executing military officers that stood in the way of a coup, hire literal Nazis on their staffs, cozy up to murderous dictators, declare that they will take retribution on the free press, that the Constitution can be ignored, etc. etc...
...THEN tell me how BOTH parties are captive to their most extreme members.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on October 07, 2023, 10:32:18 AM
Fixed. This bothsiderism is maddening.
When members from BOTH political parties fear for the safety of themselves and their families if they don't vote with dear leader...
When the leader of BOTH political parties dines with white nationalists, and employs white nationalist organizations to spearhead an attack on the U.S. Capitol...
When members from BOTH political parties call for executing military officers that stood in the way of a coup, hire literal Nazis on their staffs, cozy up to murderous dictators, declare that they will take retribution on the free press, that the Constitution can be ignored, etc. etc...
...THEN tell me how BOTH parties are captive to their most extreme members.
Sultan is gonna be pissed. ;D
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on October 07, 2023, 10:32:18 AM
Fixed. This bothsiderism is maddening.
When members from BOTH political parties fear for the safety of themselves and their families if they don't vote with dear leader...
When the leader of BOTH political parties dines with white nationalists, and employs white nationalist organizations to spearhead an attack on the U.S. Capitol...
When members from BOTH political parties call for executing military officers that stood in the way of a coup, hire literal Nazis on their staffs, cozy up to murderous dictators, declare that they will take retribution on the free press, that the Constitution can be ignored, etc. etc...
...THEN tell me how BOTH parties are captive to their most extreme members.
I'm afraid you're living a lie. Cast your critical eye across the entire pollical landscape. If you have the connections to lobbyist, I highly encourage you to ask about their interactions with both parties. I have, and I could never be a member of either party.
I respect you if you vote Democrat because they are the lesser of two evils or they champion your personal issues, but the moral and ethical difference razor thin.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 07, 2023, 11:46:46 AM
I'm afraid you're living a lie. Cast your critical eye across the entire pollical landscape. If you have the connections to lobbyist, I highly encourage you to ask about their interactions with both parties. I have, and I could never be a member of either party.
I respect you if you vote Democrat because they are the lesser of two evils or they champion your personal issues, but the moral and ethical difference razor thin.
Lol this is some solid NYTimesPitchBot material