MUScoop
MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on September 21, 2023, 07:20:26 PM
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Star Trek reference. Vent here instead of the recruiting thread. Best of luck at Duke, young man.
Mitchell
Kam
Sean
Ross
Norman
Lowery
Joplin
Gold
Amadou
Hamilton
Owens
Parham
Assuming TKO and Oso move on.
The only weakness is experience
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Star Trek reference. Vent here instead of the recruiting thread. Best of luck at Duke, young man.
Mitchell
Kam
Sean
Ross
Norman
Lowery
Joplin
Gold
Amadou
Hamilton
Owens
Parham
Assuming TKO and Oso move on.
The only weakness is experience
No need to vent here or in the recruiting thread. As you have illustrated with this post, we're in great shape. Good luck to Kon.
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No need to vent here or in the recruiting thread. As you have illustrated with this post, we're in great shape. Good luck to Kon.
Yep. Marquette will be just fine.
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Just really a bummer that he couldn't get into UW
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They kooled on him.
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In response to the 4never vent, I started thinking about players from Wisconsin who played 4 years at MU since 2000.
Merritt
Novak
Diener
Matthews
Heldt
Who am I missing?
Kon probably isn't staying anywere 4 years anywhere.
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The title got me excited. Wth 🤦♂️
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In response to the 4never vent, I started thinking about players from Wisconsin who played 4 years at MU since 2000.
Merritt
Novak
Diener
Matthews
Heldt
Who am I missing?
Kon probably isn't staying anywere 4 years anywhere.
Duane Wilson
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Duane Wilson
Enrolled four. Played three.
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In response to the 4never vent, I started thinking about players from Wisconsin who played 4 years at MU since 2000.
Merritt
Novak
Diener
Matthews
Heldt
Who am I missing?
Kon probably isn't staying anywere 4 years anywhere.
I understand what he’s saying. Locally, the Milwaukee area specifically, is producing more higher level talent than probably anytime in history. Now, does adding one of these kids for 1-2 years do anything? I don’t know but they’re good players.
Do Jalen Johnson, Kevon Looney, Diamond Stone or Kon do anything for Marquette while they’re on campus? Well, they didn’t do much for their schools (Kon withstanding, of course) they were at.
It’s an interesting exercise. I’d prefer a year and the chance they’re great for a year than not. But the argument the other way is pretty strong, too, given the results. Four years of the guys listed above versus one year of the guys I listed? Interesting argument
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I have always believed that getting the best local players that fit a system is very important in building a program. Very disappointed MU did not land Kon, but the game continues to change. IMO, if Shaka is at MU for ten years that he will win more local targets than he loses over the years.
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I have always believed that getting the best local players that fit a system is very important in building a program.
There may have been a time and a place for this, but I don't think that's been the case for awhile now. These guys are travelling all over for AAU and many go to prep schools anyway.
It's good to have the hometown advantage with some of these guys, but it's hardly a necessity. The only scholarship player on Marquette's roster from the local area only ended up at Marquette because they hired the coach he committed to at Texas. That's more coincidence than anything.
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Tower
I agree. But, MKE does have big time talent to tap into and never hurts to land the top local kids. That said, it is national recruiting for top programs and I am confident on Shaka to continue to upgrade talent every year.
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I have always believed that getting the best local players that fit a system is very important in building a program. Very disappointed MU did not land Kon, but the game continues to change. IMO, if Shaka is at MU for ten years that he will win more local targets than he loses over the years.
Well said Goose.
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Hard if not impossible to bat 1000.
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I'm not opposed to recruiting local kids, but I think many, if not most, want to experience something different for college. Venture out into the world beyond where they grew up rather than stay in the same city/state.
Look at Marquette's roster. Only one player from Wisconsin and zero players from states that border Wisconsin. That's what national recruiting looks like. As long as Shaka lands good players, who cares where they are from?
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I have always believed that getting the best local players that fit a system is very important in building a program. Very disappointed MU did not land Kon, but the game continues to change. IMO, if Shaka is at MU for ten years that he will win more local targets than he loses over the years.
Agree Goose. Shaka will get the big time local players again. They just need to win big in the NCAA. This will start this year, hopefully. A final four at MU would add a ton of cache to his recruiting pitch after doing it at VCU as well.
Locals can be a huge presence at MU when their careers are over. Look at Diener and Novak with the NIL initiative. They are local and active supporters. Visible at games. That means something. It is important to have a few impact locals choose MU for this reason alone.
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I'm not opposed to recruiting local kids, but I think many, if not most, want to experience something different for college. Venture out into the world beyond where they grew up rather than stay in the same city/state.
Look at Marquette's roster. Only one player from Wisconsin and zero players from states that border Wisconsin. That's what national recruiting looks like. As long as Shaka lands good players, who cares where they are from?
Yep. Recruiting nationally means your program matters nationally. We aren't Bradley or SLU.
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Yep. Recruiting nationally means your program matters nationally. We aren't Bradley or SLU.
Not a mutually exclusive proposition to have a few impact locals and national recruiting. Picking the best players nationally and locally is the best case scenario for any bball program.
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Tower
I agree. But, MKE does have big time talent to tap into and never hurts to land the top local kids. That said, it is national recruiting for top programs and I am confident on Shaka to continue to upgrade talent every year.
I think coaches would disagree on the "never hurts to land the top local kids" part. From the coaches I've spoken to, many are leery of local kids because when you recruit them, you also recruit their high school circles. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes it means additional people in their ear with equal or more influence over them then the coach (but considerably less basketball acumen then the coach).
Of course that doesnt mean you never recruit a top local kid, just saying that sometimes there are advantages to recruiting players from elsewhere.
To be clear, staff absolutely wanted Kon
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I think coaches would disagree on the "never hurts to land the top local kids" part. From the coaches I've spoken to, many are leery of local kids because when you recruit them, you also recruit their high school circles. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes it means additional people in their ear with equal or more influence over them then the coach (but considerably less basketball acumen then the coach).
Of course that doesnt mean you never recruit a top local kid, just saying that sometimes there are advantages to recruiting players from elsewhere.
To be clear, staff absolutely wanted Kon
I watched two local kids try to destroy a program
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I watched two local kids try to destroy a program
try?
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Not a mutually exclusive proposition to have a few impact locals and national recruiting. Picking the best players nationally and locally is the best case scenario for any bball program.
National recruiting includes regional and local, by definition.
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I should have gone to Duke.
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I should have gone to Duke.
DookieScoop doesn't have anything to do with basketball, though, just so you're aware.
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A local kid is the reigning Big East Sixth Man of the year. Maybe a better shooter.
Next man up!
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Enrolled four. Played three.
So is the criteria stayed (and graduated) or played? Scoop confuses me.
Kon probably isn't staying anywere 4 years anywhere.
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National recruiting includes regional and local, by definition.
Yep. One is not antithetical to the other. That is correct.
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Agree Goose. Shaka will get the big time local players again. They just need to win big in the NCAA. This will start this year, hopefully. A final four at MU would add a ton of cache to his recruiting pitch after doing it at VCU as well.
Locals can be a huge presence at MU when their careers are over. Look at Diener and Novak with the NIL initiative. They are local and active supporters. Visible at games. That means something. It is important to have a few impact locals choose MU for this reason alone.
Very good point with the Diener and Novak comments. Very good point made by TAMU regarding locals listening to "their High School circles".
It would have been great to get Kon, but I thought of him much more as high level recruit than a local that we had a big advantage of landing. The idea that we are somehow almost entitled to preferential consideration by local recruits like Kon simply does not make sense to me.
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Mitchell
Kam
Sean
Ross
Norman
Lowery
Joplin
Gold
Amadou
Hamilton
Owens
Parham
Assuming this holds (a huge IF), what type of player do you want with the 13th scholarship?
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Either an Aircraft Carrier or a 7'4" 180 lb kid that first picked up a basketball 18 months ago.
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Assuming this holds (a huge IF), what type of player do you want with the 13th scholarship?
Grant it to a straight A walk on to help with team gpa and apr
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Assuming this holds (a huge IF), what type of player do you want with the 13th scholarship?
I'll take a 5th year senior PG using his COVID year.
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I'll take a 5th year senior PG using his COVID year.
Winner.
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I'll go with the 5th senior as well.
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He may become available when he transfers from Duke.
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They kooled on him.
....or the Duke NIL deal was even cooler.
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I'll take a 5th year senior PG using his COVID year.
I'll take Oso. Hopefully this bear's repeating.
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I enjoy Duke getting another big win against WI
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I'll take Oso. Hopefully this bear's repeating.
I see what you did there.