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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: WhiteTrash on September 14, 2023, 07:44:30 PM
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This seems inevitable. I know fans and schools would like to have their cake and eat it to, but these are professional athletes that will be granted union status and collective bargaining rights. What do unions do besides negotiate on behalf of their members? Oh yeah, strike.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38401080/dartmouth-basketball-players-file-petition-seeking-unionize (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38401080/dartmouth-basketball-players-file-petition-seeking-unionize)
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This seems inevitable. I know fans and schools would like to have their cake and eat it to, but these are professional athletes that will be granted union status and collective bargaining rights. What do unions do besides negotiate on behalf of their members? Oh yeah, strike.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38401080/dartmouth-basketball-players-file-petition-seeking-unionize (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38401080/dartmouth-basketball-players-file-petition-seeking-unionize)
And?
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And?
Most strikes include employees not working/playing in games. Just what I've heard.
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Most strikes include employees not working/playing in games. Just what I've heard.
So?
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So?
I enjoy college basketball and really enjoy MU basketball.
If this was about women's professional soccer, I'd feel the same way you do. Don't care if they strike. Not my passion.
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I think the current system works too well for everyone involved for this to ever get significant traction. I don't see any way that the pros of being an employee even come close to the cons for 99% of student athletes
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This seems inevitable. I know fans and schools would like to have their cake and eat it to, but these are professional athletes that will be granted union status and collective bargaining rights. What do unions do besides negotiate on behalf of their members? Oh yeah, strike.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38401080/dartmouth-basketball-players-file-petition-seeking-unionize (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38401080/dartmouth-basketball-players-file-petition-seeking-unionize)
Been there, done that. It cannot be done. From the story ...
Northwestern University's football team made a bid to form the first union for college athletes in 2014.
It was a move that was met with almost immediate opposition by college conferences and schools that argued it would fundamentally alter a system in which hundreds of millions of dollars are distributed annually to conferences and schools.
The move ultimately ended in August 2015 with the NLRB board ruling unanimously that creating a new system of union and nonunion college teams would lead to different standards from school to school. It said a system with varied money for players and things like practice time would create competitive imbalance.
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Been there, done that. It cannot be done. From the story ...
Northwestern University's football team made a bid to form the first union for college athletes in 2014.
It was a move that was met with almost immediate opposition by college conferences and schools that argued it would fundamentally alter a system in which hundreds of millions of dollars are distributed annually to conferences and schools.
The move ultimately ended in August 2015 with the NLRB board ruling unanimously that creating a new system of union and nonunion college teams would lead to different standards from school to school. It said a system with varied money for players and things like practice time would create competitive imbalance.
Hey look guys, someone who doesn't understand what withholding labor can do!
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Hey look guys, someone who doesn't understand what withholding labor can do!
Not to be a dick, but if a non revenue sport ( or even a revenue sport at a low major) withholds labor, what does it do?
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Not to be a dick, but if a non revenue sport ( or even a revenue sport at a low major) withholds labor, what does it do?
I think we should find out. These kids deserve all the money, not the schools.
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I think we should find out. These kids deserve all the money, not the schools.
Look, I'm definitely pro NIL and think the players should be paid something directly from the schools.
But no....they don't deserve "all the money." The fact is that if the current Marquette basketball team was a G-League team instead, they would get nowhere near the eyeballs they are getting now. Colleges and universities bring value to the sport - their brand, their alumni base, etc.
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Not to be a dick, but if a non revenue sport ( or even a revenue sport at a low major) withholds labor, what does it do?
Football is a non revenue sport at Northwestern?
Either way, I'll answer the question. It ruins the competition. Schools have traveled to the location to play the game and both have paid a decent amount to do this. If the players decide to not play what can the school do? Force them? Suspend their scholarships? Expel the students?
None would play out well in the public eye.
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Let it burn
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I think the current system works too well for everyone involved for this to ever get significant traction. I don't see any way that the pros of being an employee even come close to the cons for 99% of student athletes
Yeah, especially since the NLRB does not want to touch public entities. These Student Athleltes are only in school 5 years max. Unions aren't really set up to help jobs that have such a schort length. Will there be a separate union for football players versus volleyball? Will there be a P5 union verson all divisions. Will each school have their own union? What percentage of the union has to vote to strike?
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Either way, I'll answer the question. It ruins the competition. Schools have traveled to the location to play the game and both have paid a decent amount to do this. If the players decide to not play what can the school do? Force them? Suspend their scholarships? Expel the students?
None would play out well in the public eye.
I didn't say football is a non-revenue sport. I was pointing out that the vast majority of student athletes are in non-revenue sports and at low majors (and the second largest group is mid-majors). If college athletes are going to become employees, that is the population that has to benefit.
Either way, I'll answer the question. It ruins the competition. Schools have traveled to the location to play the game and both have paid a decent amount to do this. If the players decide to not play what can the school do? Force them? Suspend their scholarships? Expel the students?
None would play out well in the public eye.
1. In this scenario, the players are keeping their strike a secret until they are already at an away game? I mean, maybe as an opening to a strike but you can only use that bullet once. Schools would simply not travel and forfeit the match if the players were refusing to play.
2. They wouldn't need to force them, suspend their scholarships, or expel them. They could just let them not play. Vast majority of student athletes are there not because they bring any significant value to the school. They are there because the NCAA requires schools to offer a minimum number of sports, TIX requires that schools offer an equitable number of athletic opportunities for men and women, and because they recruit a few at least partial tuition paying students who wouldn't have enrolled otherwise. Whether the players play is irrelevant to fulfilling those purposes.
3. None would play out well? Well again, they wouldn't have to do anything. But are donors going to stop donating because a non-revenue sport is striking? Are prospective students going to go elsewhere? No, they won't, at least not in numbers anywhere approaching significant. Reality is that the vast majority of athletics is an extra benefit that the schools provide for student athletes. If the student athletes don't want to take advantage of that extra benefit, the only ones they hurt are themselves.
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Been there, done that. It cannot be done. From the story ...
Northwestern University's football team made a bid to form the first union for college athletes in 2014.
It was a move that was met with almost immediate opposition by college conferences and schools that argued it would fundamentally alter a system in which hundreds of millions of dollars are distributed annually to conferences and schools.
The move ultimately ended in August 2015 with the NLRB board ruling unanimously that creating a new system of union and nonunion college teams would lead to different standards from school to school. It said a system with varied money for players and things like practice time would create competitive imbalance.
All that was before NIL, which has created many of the different standards from school to school already.
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I didn't say football is a non-revenue sport. I was pointing out that the vast majority of student athletes are in non-revenue sports and at low majors (and the second largest group is mid-majors). If college athletes are going to become employees, that is the population that has to benefit.
1. In this scenario, the players are keeping their strike a secret until they are already at an away game? I mean, maybe as an opening to a strike but you can only use that bullet once. Schools would simply not travel and forfeit the match if the players were refusing to play.
2. They wouldn't need to force them, suspend their scholarships, or expel them. They could just let them not play. Vast majority of student athletes are there not because they bring any significant value to the school. They are there because the NCAA requires schools to offer a minimum number of sports, TIX requires that schools offer an equitable number of athletic opportunities for men and women, and because they recruit a few at least partial tuition paying students who wouldn't have enrolled otherwise. Whether the players play is irrelevant to fulfilling those purposes.
3. None would play out well? Well again, they wouldn't have to do anything. But are donors going to stop donating because a non-revenue sport is striking? Are prospective students going to go elsewhere? No, they won't, at least not in numbers anywhere approaching significant. Reality is that the vast majority of athletics is an extra benefit that the schools provide for student athletes. If the student athletes don't want to take advantage of that extra benefit, the only ones they hurt are themselves.
You didn't suggest football was a non revenue sport, but my original comment was directed at Heisey who mentioned football. Which of course would have an impact whereas non-revenue sports would have little or no impact. We obviously agree.
I was only playing along with your hypothetical.
1. Yes. Likely the students would make demands and if they're not met they refuse to play on game day. The aim being to cause the most disruption possible and garner the most attention.
2. I don't disagree.
3. Maybe. There is still significant financials expended to facilitate the non-revenue sports. Setting up travel, etc for these is still a tangible waste that administrators would want to fix.
Again, we are just discussing an unrealistic hypothetical/
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I think we should find out. These kids deserve all the money, not the schools.
1. No they don't. There is no sports league on the planet where the athletes make anything approaching "all the money"
2. 99% of the "kids" are already overcompensated for the value that they bring to the school (which is next to nothing)
3. The 1% that are undercompensated (some of the high major football and men's basketball players and maybe a few others from other sports) are now for the most part being supplemented by NIL, in most case to the point that they are now overcompensated.
I am very pro-NIL and very pro-college athlete. At the highest levels of football and men's basketball, there is a symbiotic relationship between the players and the schools. The players and the schools both need each other and both deserve to be fairly compensated. Once you get beyond that tiny population (relative to the size of the entire population of student athletes), the players need the schools a lot more than the schools need them. Those trying to champion student-athletes as employees are actually championing the loss of hundreds of thousands of athletic opportunities. Life MIGHT get better for top 1% of college athletes if they become employees, it will get unquestionably worse for the bottom 99%.
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1. No they don't. There is no sports league on the planet where the athletes make anything approaching "all the money"
2. 99% of the "kids" are already overcompensated for the value that they bring to the school (which is next to nothing)
3. The 1% that are undercompensated (some of the high major football and men's basketball players and maybe a few others from other sports) are now for the most part being supplemented by NIL, in most case to the point that they are now overcompensated.
I am very pro-NIL and very pro-college athlete. At the highest levels of football and men's basketball, there is a symbiotic relationship between the players and the schools. The players and the schools both need each other and both deserve to be fairly compensated. Once you get beyond that tiny population (relative to the size of the entire population of student athletes), the players need the schools a lot more than the schools need them. Those trying to champion student-athletes as employees are actually championing the loss of hundreds of thousands of athletic opportunities. Life MIGHT get better for top 1% of college athletes if they become employees, it will get unquestionably worse for the bottom 99%.
I agree with this analysis
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1. No they don't. There is no sports league on the planet where the athletes make anything approaching "all the money"
2. 99% of the "kids" are already overcompensated for the value that they bring to the school (which is next to nothing)
3. The 1% that are undercompensated (some of the high major football and men's basketball players and maybe a few others from other sports) are now for the most part being supplemented by NIL, in most case to the point that they are now overcompensated.
I am very pro-NIL and very pro-college athlete. At the highest levels of football and men's basketball, there is a symbiotic relationship between the players and the schools. The players and the schools both need each other and both deserve to be fairly compensated. Once you get beyond that tiny population (relative to the size of the entire population of student athletes), the players need the schools a lot more than the schools need them. Those trying to champion student-athletes as employees are actually championing the loss of hundreds of thousands of athletic opportunities. Life MIGHT get better for top 1% of college athletes if they become employees, it will get unquestionably worse for the bottom 99%.
I agree also with this.
99% of fans of college sports are buying tickets and watching games because of the school, not the players. Here in Colorado, CU sold out their season tickets and almost everyone who purchased tickets could not name one player. Most of the "stars" were not even CU students when they bought tickets, so it safe to say the players are not driving the revenue.
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TAMU, you are one of the few guys here (very few), that actually makes me feel smarter or more informed for reading your posts.
Whether that is enough to offset Roqqet and Ziggy is up for debate. ::)
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1. No they don't. There is no sports league on the planet where the athletes make anything approaching "all the money"
2. 99% of the "kids" are already overcompensated for the value that they bring to the school (which is next to nothing)
3. The 1% that are undercompensated (some of the high major football and men's basketball players and maybe a few others from other sports) are now for the most part being supplemented by NIL, in most case to the point that they are now overcompensated.
I am very pro-NIL and very pro-college athlete. At the highest levels of football and men's basketball, there is a symbiotic relationship between the players and the schools. The players and the schools both need each other and both deserve to be fairly compensated. Once you get beyond that tiny population (relative to the size of the entire population of student athletes), the players need the schools a lot more than the schools need them. Those trying to champion student-athletes as employees are actually championing the loss of hundreds of thousands of athletic opportunities. Life MIGHT get better for top 1% of college athletes if they become employees, it will get unquestionably worse for the bottom 99%.
Don't mind me plagiarizing this answer for future use.
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Non-revenue sports should be club sports and play in regional conferences to cut down on expenses. Men's football and basketball probably at the P5/P6 level should make the players employees, and I'm guessing those players would unionize like all the other pro leagues. None of that will actually happen though.
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I think we should find out. These kids deserve all the money, not the schools.
So now we're asking universities to build stadiums, recruit, broadcast, pay for travel, board, pay players, feed players, pay coaches....
And they should receive nothing?
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So now we're asking universities to build stadiums, recruit, broadcast, pay for travel, board, pay players, feed players, pay coaches....
And they should receive nothing?
They should pay market rates for their players.
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They should pay market rates for their players.
So the swimming teams are going to get an bill in addition to their tuition?
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So the swimming teams are going to get an bill in addition to their tuition?
I feel like you're being dense on purpose. This isn't that complicated.
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I feel like you're being dense on purpose. This isn't that complicated.
;D
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On a side note, not sure if this was posted here before: basketball revenue
https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball/ (https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball/)
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On a side note, not sure if this was posted here before: basketball revenue
https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball/ (https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball/)
Seems consistent with other reports through the years. MU is a small time program that nobody would want to coach when we got rid of Wojo.
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I feel like you're being dense on purpose. This isn't that complicated.
White Trash wants things back to the way they were. That ship sailed years ago
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On a side note, not sure if this was posted here before: basketball revenue
https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball/ (https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball/)
While I'm glad to see MU high on the list, a lot of those rankings are really dependent on how the schools do their accounting in terms of revenue. A lot of football schools assign revenue to football at the expense of their other programs in order to make it look like football is less of a money loser.
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NFL to take over NCAA football to clean up the mess?
https://www.outkick.com/new-report-says-ncaa-could-dissolve-top-teams-could-partner-with-nfl/
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NFL to take over NCAA football to clean up the mess?
https://www.outkick.com/new-report-says-ncaa-could-dissolve-top-teams-could-partner-with-nfl/
Not saying that is a bad idea. But if that happened, why are colleges even remotely involved, besides the fact that it is the college's name on the jersey that brings the market value (not the product on the field).
College football needs to drop the college part, and replace it with minor league football.
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White Trash wants things back to the way they were. That ship sailed years ago
Sometimes i feel like the only one who truly embraces the new reality. Seems like a lot of people are lying to themselves. Embracing NIL is hardly accepting the future.
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Not saying that is a bad idea. But if that happened, why are colleges even remotely involved, besides the fact that it is the college's name on the jersey that brings the market value (not the product on the field).
College football needs to drop the college part, and replace it with minor league football.
Your first paragraph explains why the second paragraph will never happen. There would be absolutely zero interest in minor league football...even if it was the same quality and same players as college football. College sports are the only financially successfully semi-pro sports league in the world. No way anyone messes with that.
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Your first paragraph explains why the second paragraph will never happen. There would be absolutely zero interest in minor league football...even if it was the same quality and same players as college football. College sports are the only financially successfully semi-pro sports league in the world. No way anyone messes with that.
I think you under appreciate the stupidity of the leaders of college athletics
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The true leaders of college athletics, the conference commissioners of the largest conferences, their college presidents, athletic directors, etc., are hardly stupid. They have established a system that rewards their schools handsomely, neutered the NCAA while still using them as a foil when needed, and the marketplace seemingly loves it.
If there is one thing that has become completely obvious over the last couple of decades is that the "traditions" of college athletics aren't really all that important to people. New traditions evolve. People still watch. The money keeps coming in.
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The true leaders of college athletics, the conference commissioners of the largest conferences, their college presidents, athletic directors, etc., are hardly stupid. They have established a system that rewards their schools handsomely, neutered the NCAA while still using them as a foil when needed, and the marketplace seemingly loves it.
If there is one thing that has become completely obvious over the last couple of decades is that the "traditions" of college athletics aren't really all that important to people. New traditions evolve. People still watch. The money keeps coming in.
Disagree
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Disagree
The past thirty years show otherwise. No guaranty that the next thirty will be like the previous thirty, but I have heard about the demise of college athletics for decades now, and its just never come to pass.
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The past thirty years show otherwise. No guaranty that the next thirty will be like the previous thirty, but I have heard about the demise of college athletics for decades now, and its just never come to pass.
With ESPN, cable TV, savings accounts, cities and the NFL doomed, I’m not sure college sports will survive
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The past thirty years show otherwise. No guaranty that the next thirty will be like the previous thirty, but I have heard about the demise of college athletics for decades now, and its just never come to pass.
Consider the source
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Consider the source
No, I’m convinced college athletics are run by idiots. Anyone going to congress to fix college sports is a group run by idiots
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Your first paragraph explains why the second paragraph will never happen. There would be absolutely zero interest in minor league football...even if it was the same quality and same players as college football. College sports are the only financially successfully semi-pro sports league in the world. No way anyone messes with that.
I agree with you. That was more my commentary on my dissatisfaction/disgust for how much a sham the college part of football has become, and that partnering with the NFL would just, in my opinion, be essentially everyone publicly admitting the sham of the college part.
But like you said, it won't go away.
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Been there, done that. It cannot be done. From the story ...
Northwestern University's football team made a bid to form the first union for college athletes in 2014.
It was a move that was met with almost immediate opposition by college conferences and schools that argued it would fundamentally alter a system in which hundreds of millions of dollars are distributed annually to conferences and schools.
The move ultimately ended in August 2015 with the NLRB board ruling unanimously that creating a new system of union and nonunion college teams would lead to different standards from school to school. It said a system with varied money for players and things like practice time would create competitive imbalance.
2015 is a long time ago. New legal action could bring new remedies ... though I tend to agree with most here that unionization won't happen.
The big-sport, big-program athletes don't need unionization - NIL is gold for them already.
And, as others here have said, it's hard to see what unionization would bring to men's golf and women's lacrosse programs.
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November 7, 2023
Dartmouth starts season while pushing for union
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38841430/dartmouth-starts-season-pushing-union
Nearly two months have passed since the team signed a petition seeking representation by the Service Employees International Union, which already represents some school employees. They're focused on the start of the basketball season, which began with Monday night's loss at No. 2 Duke.
Their unionization effort lingers in the background, another challenge to the norms of college athletics in a time with athletes transferring freely through the portal and making endorsement money through the use of their name, image and likeness (NIL).
"I feel like NIL's been moving on a lot and changing the landscape of college basketball," Myrthil told The Associated Press after the Duke game. "This could be a step that changes it even further, to make the students earn what they're worth."
Myrthil is one of two captains for the Big Green, who haven't spoken publicly about the unionization effort outside of releasing a letter to The Dartmouth student newspaper shortly after filing the petition. The other, Robert McRae III, said the focus is on changing things in the elite Ivy League where Dartmouth is a member.
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On a side note, not sure if this was posted here before: basketball revenue
https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball/ (https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/economy/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball/)
In other words, schools with crappy football teams (or none).
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No, I’m convinced college athletics are run by idiots. Anyone going to congress to fix college sports is a group run by idiots
‘Idiots’ may be the wrong word, but it’s not to far off.
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‘Idiots’ may be the wrong word, but it’s not to far off.
I agree. It is a mess, but slightly in the schools' defense legislative involvement is warranted since any and all solutions will make someone upset and drag it into the courts. Legislated rules will make it easier to defend in the court.
From amateurism to full blown pro sports model and everything in between, someone will sue.
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The highest "paid" college athletes are in the non-revenue sports like women's gymnastics or women's basketball. A pretty face and nice figure pays millions. Who needs to unionize?
I know guys it so unfair.
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The highest "paid" college athletes are in the non-revenue sports like women's gymnastics or women's basketball. A pretty face and nice figure pays millions. Who needs to unionize?
I know guys it so unfair.
I haven't seen any article or list that dubs a female athlete in a non revenue sport as the highest paid or that they are a majority of the highest paid. There are a handful of them amomgst the highest paid who are mostly quarterbacks
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I haven't seen any article or list that dubs a female athlete in a non revenue sport as the highest paid or that they are a majority of the highest paid. There are a handful of them amomgst the highest paid who are mostly quarterbacks
Please don't dignify his asinine comment with a serious response.
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I haven't seen any article or list that dubs a female athlete in a non revenue sport as the highest paid or that they are a majority of the highest paid. There are a handful of them amomgst the highest paid who are mostly quarterbacks
She may not be the highest paid, but she is up there. C'mon Chick she is a pretty girl and taking full advantage of NIL.
https://people.com/olivia-dunne-says-she-win-the-national-championship-8378791
So are these young ladies.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-basketball/cavinder-twins-net-worth-how-much-hailey-hannah-cavinder-worth-2023 these
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She may not be the highest paid, but she is up there. C'mon Chick she is a pretty girl and taking full advantage of NIL.
https://people.com/olivia-dunne-says-she-win-the-national-championship-8378791
So are these young ladies.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-basketball/cavinder-twins-net-worth-how-much-hailey-hannah-cavinder-worth-2023 these
I am well aware of Dunne and the Cavinder twins. As I said:
I haven't seen any article or list that dubs a female athlete in a non revenue sport as the highest paid or that they are a majority of the highest paid. There are a handful of them amomgst the highest paid who are mostly quarterbacks
which is not the same as:
The highest "paid" college athletes are in the non-revenue sports like women's gymnastics or women's basketball. A pretty face and nice figure pays millions. Who needs to unionize?
I know guys it so unfair.
You're also naïve if you think all it takes is a pretty face and a nice figure. If that were true, we would have hundreds of thousands more millionaires than we currently do.
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You're also naïve if you think all it takes is a pretty face and a nice figure. If that were true, we would have hundreds of thousands more millionaires than we currently do.
True. And never underestimate the economic power of women. The Kardashians pretty much kick the ass of any pro athletes in earnings.
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I am well aware of Dunne and the Cavinder twins. As I said:
which is not the same as:
You're also naïve if you think all it takes is a pretty face and a nice figure. If that were true, we would have hundreds of thousands more millionaires than we currently do.
You’re arguing with people that don’t understand or want to understand NIL
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You’re arguing with people that don’t understand or want to understand NIL
How is that? These ladies are earning big money off their Name, Image and Likeness while they compete in their respective sports.
NIL is still in its infancy. We just might have thousands or more millionaires in the future and not just Quarterbacks.
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How is that? These ladies are earning big money off their Name, Image and Likeness while they compete in their respective sports.
NIL is still in its infancy. We just might have thousands or more millionaires in the future and not just Quarterbacks.
It's pretty condescending to think that they only reason she has all these followers is because she is pretty.
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It's pretty condescending to think that they only reason she has all these followers is because she is pretty.
It is not the only reason, but it is a big reason. How is it condescending for a woman to feel good about her looks especially a young college athlete.
https://people.com/sports/angel-reese-makes-sports-illustrateds-swimsuit-edition-debut/
I just think the women will do better in the NIL world then the men. Just my condescending opinion.
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I just think the women will do better in the NIL world then the men. Just my condescending opinion.
Then why are the vast majority of the highest earning college athletes male? Is it going to shift in favor of women in the future?
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It's pretty condescending to think that they only reason she has all these followers is because she is pretty.
I think it just goes to show a fundamental misunderstanding of social media and what it takes to be successful/profitable in doing social media. Is a large element of their success because they are attractive? Sure. Are they less athletically "successful" or majorly touted than some of the higher earning major sport male athletes? Probably.
But guess what, there are HUNDREDS of very attractive female athletes on social media in the NIL age who aren't making much of anything, or just small deals from start up or local brands. You see them pop up on IG or Tik Tok all the time. If its just "being pretty", then they should be killing it too, but they are not...
The NIL superstars like the Cavinders or Dunne are REALLY damn good at marketing themselves and their brand and get compensated accordingly. This is not meant at a dig at the Cavinders, but they are not supermodel attractive nor would you have trouble watching a number of WBB games and finding other female ballers who are as attractive, or even more so, to the average teen/young 20s male. But they aren't near household names in the space like the Cavinders are. Cause they aren't savvy and exceptional at "the NIL game" like they are. Same with any number of Tik Tok famous influencers.
Semi-related, I attended a big jewelry event in Jakarta for a client. A bunch of media and social media types were brought in for various reasons. There was a group of 3 20-something Indonesian girls at the event who were good friends with the director of marketing for my client. The Director mentioned that one of them was a major influencer in makeup, jewelry, and "glam" in Indonesia. All 3 were attractive, but one in particular was radiant and eye catching, magnetic in appearance if you will. Another had really startling pretty eyes and had a bunch of coordinated jewelry pieces that was collectively amazing. The third was pretty but unremarkable to any passer-by and tastefully but simply attired...guess which one was the mega influencer? We got to chatting and she explained some of her approach and how she got her channels to blow up and how she maintained it. It was like listening to a tech entrepreneur give a Ted Talk, it was fascinating. Her 2 beautiful friends had about 30K followers combined on IG and joked that many of those were because they had been tagged with the influencer at times in the past.
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I think it just goes to show a fundamental misunderstanding of social media and what it takes to be successful/profitable in doing social media. Is a large element of their success because they are attractive? Sure. Are they less athletically "successful" or majorly touted than some of the higher earning major sport male athletes? Probably.
But guess what, there are HUNDREDS of very attractive female athletes on social media in the NIL age who aren't making much of anything, or just small deals from start up or local brands. You see them pop up on IG or Tik Tok all the time. If its just "being pretty", then they should be killing it too, but they are not...
The NIL superstars like the Cavinders or Dunne are REALLY damn good at marketing themselves and their brand and get compensated accordingly. This is not meant at a dig at the Cavinders, but they are not supermodel attractive nor would you have trouble watching a number of WBB games and finding other female ballers who are as attractive, or even more so, to the average teen/young 20s male. But they aren't near household names in the space like the Cavinders are. Cause they aren't savvy and exceptional at "the NIL game" like they are. Same with any number of Tik Tok famous influencers.
Semi-related, I attended a big jewelry event in Jakarta for a client. A bunch of media and social media types were brought in for various reasons. There was a group of 3 20-something Indonesian girls at the event who were good friends with the director of marketing for my client. The Director mentioned that one of them was a major influencer in makeup, jewelry, and "glam" in Indonesia. All 3 were attractive, but one in particular was radiant and eye catching, magnetic in appearance if you will. Another had really startling pretty eyes and had a bunch of coordinated jewelry pieces that was collectively amazing. The third was pretty but unremarkable to any passer-by and tastefully but simply attired...guess which one was the mega influencer? We got to chatting and she explained some of her approach and how she got her channels to blow up and how she maintained it. It was like listening to a tech entrepreneur give a Ted Talk, it was fascinating. Her 2 beautiful friends had about 30K followers combined on IG and joked that many of those were because they had been tagged with the influencer at times in the past.
As I said the NIL world is just in its infancy. Sure the male athlete will get compensated for on the field/court performance, but the female athlete will follow the Dunne/Cavinder approach. I am sure if they reached out to Ms. Dunne she would probably give them great advice. Some of those highly paid male college athletes are making the big bucks because of their family Brand, i.e. Bronny James.
The two Ladies earned their money.
https://1075thefan.com/playlist/top-20-college-athletes-with-the-highest-nil-valuations/item/1
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As I said the NIL world is just in its infancy. Sure the male athlete will get compensated for on the field/court performance, but the female athlete will follow the Dunne/Cavinder approach. I am sure if they reached out to Ms. Dunne she would probably give them great advice. Some of those highly paid male college athletes are making the big bucks because of their family Brand, i.e. Bronny James.
The two Ladies earned their money.
https://1075thefan.com/playlist/top-20-college-athletes-with-the-highest-nil-valuations/item/1
NIL is in its infancy but people earning money based on their social media followers is way more established.
I have mentioned this before but I have a friend who started as a wedding photographer and is now in her tenth year of a seven figure income based on her social media presence. She’s pretty plain looking but has a ton of followers, almost all of who are women, because she has been very open about her entire life in a compelling way. Mental health, building confidence, infertility, etc.
She’s now written books, been on the Today show, etc almost all due to her social media savvy.
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NIL is in its infancy but people earning money based on their social media followers is way more established.
I have mentioned this before but I have a friend who started as a wedding photographer and is now in her tenth year of a seven figure income based on her social media presence. She’s pretty plain looking but has a ton of followers, almost all of who are women, because she has been very open about her entire life in a compelling way. Mental health, building confidence, infertility, etc.
She’s now written books, been on the Today show, etc almost all due to her social media savvy.
...but your friend was not prohibited from monetizing her social media presence, college athletes were, until NIL. I am sure your friend started with a web site advertising her wedding photography business which then branched out into social media presenting other opportunities. The savvy college athlete can now take advantage of that and right now for the female college athlete social media is where the action is. Not saying a plain looking woman can't strike NIL gold, but the pretty face and nice figure will sell, more often than not.
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...but your friend was not prohibited from monetizing her social media presence, college athletes were, until NIL. I am sure your friend started with a web site advertising her wedding photography business which then branched out into social media presenting other opportunities. The savvy college athlete can now take advantage of that and right now for the female college athlete social media is where the action is. Not saying a plain looking woman can't strike NIL gold, but the pretty face and nice figure will sell, more often than not.
You don’t get it. Wags is right. It’s about creating my content that generates interest and followers. And it’s those followers that are monetized.
Does having a cute face and a nice figure help? Sure. It always has. But it’s the content that drives the followers and that doesn’t necessarily correlate to their looks.
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You don’t get it. Wags is right. It’s about creating my content that generates interest and followers. And it’s those followers that are monetized.
Does having a cute face and a nice figure help? Sure. It always has. But it’s the content that drives the followers and that doesn’t necessarily correlate to their looks.
...but for the most part having a cute face and a nice figure does.
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...but for the most part having a cute face and a nice figure does.
Alright. You don't get it. Carry on.
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Alright. You don't get it. Carry on.
Eh, he isn't wrong. Statistically, better looking people are more successful. It isn't the ONLY factor in success, but I don't think he was suggesting that. But it is undeniably helpful.
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Eh, he isn't wrong. Statistically, better looking people are more successful. It isn't the ONLY factor in success, but I don't think he was suggesting that. But it is undeniably helpful.
Which I acknowledged. But his original statement was "The highest "paid" college athletes are in the non-revenue sports like women's gymnastics or women's basketball. A pretty face and nice figure pays millions."
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Which I acknowledged. But his original statement was "The highest "paid" college athletes are in the non-revenue sports like women's gymnastics or women's basketball. A pretty face and nice figure pays millions."
Sultan, you seem to be a very smart and reasonable person. I do think in this case you are looking to far into the posts to find something offensive. JMHO.
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Sultan, you seem to be a very smart and reasonable person. I do think in this case you are looking to far into the posts to find something offensive. JMHO.
I think it's less about being "offensive" and more about being "factually inaccurate"
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Sultan, you seem to be a very smart and reasonable person. I do think in this case you are looking to far into the posts to find something offensive. JMHO.
Nope.
I think it's less about being "offensive" and more about being "factually inaccurate"
Yep.
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Nope.
Yep.
And muwarriors doesn’t want NIL, so he keeps looking for ways to discredit it
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Sultan, you seem to be a very smart and reasonable person. I do think in this case you are looking to far into the posts to find something offensive. JMHO.
It's offensive. And you don't have to look very far.
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I think it's less about being "offensive" and more about being "factually inaccurate"
That’s where I’m at with it. I can see where it can be construed as offensive, but even if it truly was not meant to be or deemed to be, it’s still just incorrect and reductionist to a great flaw. It’s like people who try to discount professional athletes with “oh well they are just super athletic” or “they are just really tall/strong” like there aren’t thousands of very athletic or genetically gifted people who didn’t cut it at the college level or even before.
I remember arguing with an old roommate about Tebow not being able to cut it as a pro QB and he kept talking about “he just will outwork everyone” or “he just wants to SO MUCH MORE” like the vast majority of NFL players didn’t work hard or want it as bad as someone who was tremendously flawed otherwise