i am quite frankly confused and disappointed in some initial reactions to the movie "sounds of freedom"
-the topic of child sex trafficking, regardless of how anyone wants to frame it, should NEVER be minimized
-is some of it by associations? if so, very unfortunately short sighted.
-seems our border which has become a sieve has opened up the floodgates to this absolutely evil reality that needs as much attention as the drug and fentanyl fiascos among many others that have been created.
for me, this would be a very difficult movie to watch based on the realities of it, but hopefully to gain some sort of peace due to the fact that i believe the story line ends on a triumphant note. the subject matter however, knowing how pervasive it remains cannot get more disturbing
side note-WHY??
(The Center Square) – The California State Assembly this week voted to revise the state's penal code that regulates the registration of sex offenders by passing SB-145. The revision of the bill would allow pedophiles to not be registered on the sex offender list as long as they are not 10 years older than the minor they were convicted of molesting.
we should not be making our laws easier to commit sex offenses on anyone, but that is just my opinion
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2023, 06:20:19 AM
we should not be making our laws easier to commit sex offenses on anyone, but that is just my opinion
Will bad people find ways to do bad things regardless of laws? Or is that only when it comes to firearms?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2023, 06:20:19 AM
i am quite frankly confused and disappointed in some initial reactions to the movie "sounds of freedom"
-the topic of child sex trafficking, regardless of how anyone wants to frame it, should NEVER be minimized
-is some of it by associations? if so, very unfortunately short sighted.
-seems our border which has become a sieve has opened up the floodgates to this absolutely evil reality that needs as much attention as the drug and fentanyl fiascos among many others that have been created.
for me, this would be a very difficult movie to watch based on the realities of it, but hopefully to gain some sort of peace due to the fact that i believe the story line ends on a triumphant note. the subject matter however, knowing how pervasive it remains cannot get more disturbing
side note-WHY??
(The Center Square) – The California State Assembly this week voted to revise the state's penal code that regulates the registration of sex offenders by passing SB-145. The revision of the bill would allow pedophiles to not be registered on the sex offender list as long as they are not 10 years older than the minor they were convicted of molesting.
we should not be making our laws easier to commit sex offenses on anyone, but that is just my opinion
You indent some (like half) of your posts like this. Are you typing them up in a word processing application before posting them to scoop or something? Just curious, found it interesting
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2023, 06:20:19 AM
i am quite frankly confused and disappointed in some initial reactions to the movie "sounds of freedom"
-the topic of child sex trafficking, regardless of how anyone wants to frame it, should NEVER be minimized
-is some of it by associations? if so, very unfortunately short sighted.
-seems our border which has become a sieve has opened up the floodgates to this absolutely evil reality that needs as much attention as the drug and fentanyl fiascos among many others that have been created.
for me, this would be a very difficult movie to watch based on the realities of it, but hopefully to gain some sort of peace due to the fact that i believe the story line ends on a triumphant note. the subject matter however, knowing how pervasive it remains cannot get more disturbing
side note-WHY??
(The Center Square) – The California State Assembly this week voted to revise the state's penal code that regulates the registration of sex offenders by passing SB-145. The revision of the bill would allow pedophiles to not be registered on the sex offender list as long as they are not 10 years older than the minor they were convicted of molesting.
we should not be making our laws easier to commit sex offenses on anyone, but that is just my opinion
Who cares, it's just a dumb movie. If you're going to movies to learn anything, you're headed to the wrong place for your information.
That you find it important to bring up this movie in its own thread rather than the "what are you watching" thread means you just want to get into some argument.
I'm sure that'll come along soon enough to sate your ego.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 13, 2023, 06:58:21 AM
You indent some (like half) of your posts like this. Are you typing them up in a word processing application before posting them to scoop or something? Just curious, found it interesting
no word processor, just change it up a little to hopefully make it more readable
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 13, 2023, 07:05:58 AM
Who cares, it's just a dumb movie. If you're going to movies to learn anything, you're headed to the wrong place for your information.
That you find it important to bring up this movie in its own thread rather than the "what are you watching" thread means you just want to get into some argument.
I'm sure that'll come along soon enough to sate your ego.
still sleeping it off i see, but didn't expect much more from you anyway. you should have just sat this one out
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2023, 09:10:26 AM
no word processor, just change it up a little to hopefully make it more readable
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Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2023, 06:20:19 AM
-seems our border which has become a sieve has opened up the floodgates to this absolutely evil reality that needs as much attention as the drug and fentanyl fiascos among many others that have been created.
Here's your regular reminder that the vast, vast majority of fentanyl trafficked into the U.S. is brought in by American citizens at legal crossing points.
In 2021, U.S. citizens were 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers—ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense.
Over 90 percent of fentanyl seizures occur at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes
https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers
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side note-WHY??
(The Center Square) – The California State Assembly this week voted to revise the state's penal code that regulates the registration of sex offenders by passing SB-145. The revision of the bill would allow pedophiles to not be registered on the sex offender list as long as they are not 10 years older than the minor they were convicted of molesting.
we should not be making our laws easier to commit sex offenses on anyone, but that is just my opinion
So, this is almost three years old, and it in no way makes it easier to commit sex offenses.
Though this paragraph is perfect:
Along with opposition from Republicans in the state Legislature, supporters of President Trump and far-right conspiracy theorists have seized on the bill in an attempt to use the measure as a political wedge issue and rallying cry, with some falsely claiming on social media that California is legalizing pedophilia.https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-09-11/sb145-sex-crimes-law-gavin-newsom-lgbtq-rights
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2023, 09:17:39 AM
Here's your regular reminder that the vast, vast majority of fentanyl trafficked into the U.S. is brought in by American citizens at legal crossing points.
In 2021, U.S. citizens were 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers—ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense.
Over 90 percent of fentanyl seizures occur at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes
https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers
for me, this would be a very difficult movie to watch based on the realities of it, but hopefully to gain some sort of peace due to the fact that i believe the story line ends on a triumphant note. the subject matter however, knowing how pervasive it remains cannot get more disturbing
So, this is almost three years old, and it in no way makes it easier to commit sex offenses.
Though this paragraph is perfect:
Along with opposition from Republicans in the state Legislature, supporters of President Trump and far-right conspiracy theorists have seized on the bill in an attempt to use the measure as a political wedge issue and rallying cry, with some falsely claiming on social media that California is legalizing pedophilia.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-09-11/sb145-sex-crimes-law-gavin-newsom-lgbtq-rights
If California wants to legalize pedophilia, they should invite more Catholic Churches to the state
The reason more fentanyl isn't coming over the border is because Mexico built a wall
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 13, 2023, 09:21:07 AM
If California wants to legalize pedophilia, they should invite more Catholic Churches to the state
The reason more fentanyl isn't coming over the border is because Mexico built a wall
Since people here are are being technical and factually correct in this thread:
There are almost no cases of priests committing actual pedophilia.
<note to all here who are anti-Catholic: the statement above does not excuse or minimize the criminal acts committed>
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 13, 2023, 09:39:16 AM
Since people here are are being technical and factually correct in this thread:
There are almost no cases of priests committing actual pedophilia.
<note to all here who are anti-Catholic: the statement above does not excuse or minimize the criminal acts committed>
Uhhh ... define "almost no" and "pedophilia."
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2023, 09:17:39 AM
Here's your regular reminder that the vast, vast majority of fentanyl trafficked into the U.S. is brought in by American citizens at legal crossing points.
In 2021, U.S. citizens were 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers—ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense.
Over 90 percent of fentanyl seizures occur at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes
This is correct: 99.9% of illegal immigrants are going through checkpoints so the chances of catching drugs at non-checkpoints is the same as all other boarder crossing points. ::)
Facts need context people.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2023, 09:43:10 AM
Uhhh ... define "almost no" and "pedophilia."
Pedophilia is sex with a pre-pubescent person.
Pedophilia is very rare in the world.
The cases I'm aware of were middle and high school age children.
Keep in mind, for the majority of human existence, marriage by age 13 was not uncommon. The mother of a woman, I work with, was married by 14 and is still married after 60 years. She and her husband (who was 17) are wonderful people with kids and grand kids.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 13, 2023, 09:59:24 AM
Pedophilia is sex with a pre-pubescent person.
Pedophilia is very rare in the world.
The cases I'm aware of were middle and high school age children.
Keep in mind, for the majority of human existence, marriage by age 13 was not uncommon. The mother of a woman, I work with, was married by 14 and is still married after 60 years. She and her husband (who was 17) are wonderful people with kids and grand kids.
I see this argument a lot (mincing words about paedophilia vs ephebophilia) from folks in the MAP (minor attracted person) community. Creeps me the eff out.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 13, 2023, 09:59:24 AM
Pedophilia is sex with a pre-pubescent person.
Pedophilia is very rare in the world.
So much for that theory.
The John Jay report commissioned by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in 2002 examined about 11,000 cases involving nearly 4,400 priests. It found that 22% of the victims were 10 years old or younger.
That's roughly 2,420 cases.
In what world is that "almost no cases?"
https://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2004_02_27_JohnJay_revised/2004_02_27_John_Jay_Main_Report_Optimized.pdf
QuoteKeep in mind, for the majority of human existence, marriage by age 13 was not uncommon.
Yeah, this is largely false and very creepy.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2023, 09:12:08 AM
still sleeping it off i see, but didn't expect much more from you anyway. you should have just sat this one out
Sit what out? Your attempt at rage baiting?
Grow up, old man.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 13, 2023, 09:59:24 AM
Keep in mind, for the majority of human existence, marriage by age 13 was not uncommon.
So was slavery. Hopefully we have evolved
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 13, 2023, 09:59:24 AM
Pedophilia is sex with a pre-pubescent person.
Pedophilia is very rare in the world.
The cases I'm aware of were middle and high school age children.
Keep in mind, for the majority of human existence, marriage by age 13 was not uncommon. The mother of a woman, I work with, was married by 14 and is still married after 60 years. She and her husband (who was 17) are wonderful people with kids and grand kids.
Super dangerous ground you're treading on here.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 13, 2023, 09:59:24 AM
Keep in mind, for the majority of human existence, marriage by age 13 was not uncommon. The mother of a woman, I work with, was married by 14 and is still married after 60 years. She and her husband (who was 17) are wonderful people with kids and grand kids.
I'm well aware of the world evangelicals want back
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 13, 2023, 09:59:24 AM
Pedophilia is sex with a pre-pubescent person.
Pedophilia is very rare in the world.
The cases I'm aware of were middle and high school age children.
Keep in mind, for the majority of human existence, marriage by age 13 was not uncommon. The mother of a woman, I work with, was married by 14 and is still married after 60 years. She and her husband (who was 17) are wonderful people with kids and grand kids.
Isn't that kinda like the "I have a black friend" argument?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 13, 2023, 10:14:59 AM
I see this argument a lot (mincing words about paedophilia vs ephebophilia) from folks in the MAP (minor attracted person) community. Creeps me the eff out.
Minor Attracted Person???
Why don't you just say F-ing Pervert. Why mince words.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on July 13, 2023, 11:48:50 AM
Minor Attracted Person???
Why don't you just say F-ing Pervert. Why mince words.
Because it is how they refer to themselves. Better to know the code they use to spot em.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 13, 2023, 12:04:58 PM
Because it is how they refer to themselves. Better to know the code they use to spot em.
It's how they are trying to normalize their twisted behavior.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on July 13, 2023, 12:30:00 PM
It's how they are trying to normalize their twisted behavior.
100%
Just coincidence I'm sure that the founder and "star" of this film steps down as the CEO of the nonprofit he founded.
Quote from: Jockey on July 13, 2023, 10:34:23 AM
Isn't that kinda like the "I have a black friend" argument?
Not even close. The intent was to point out that people marrying at very young ages was alive and well in the US as recently as 60 years ago and those people are not weirdos.
Personally I would never advise anyone to marry before 25.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 13, 2023, 10:25:52 AM
Super dangerous ground you're treading on here.
I didn't open the door on this issue.
I didn't ask for the definition of pedophile.
People who commit those crimes deserve a special place in hell. Priest that do that deserve even worse.
People who state or imply that Catholics are pedophiles are ignorant and I'd question what other groups they make ugly generalizations about.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 13, 2023, 04:11:13 PM
Not even close. The intent was to point out that people marrying at very young ages was alive and well in the US as recently as 60 years ago and those people are not weirdos.
Personally I would never advise anyone to marry before 25.
Their parents who permitted it are the weirdos(as are the state governments who have laws allowing this). Just as those parents who would approve of their 14 or 15 year old son or daughter to marry in 2023. All weirdos
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2023, 10:18:48 AM
So much for that theory.
The John Jay report commissioned by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in 2002 examined about 11,000 cases involving nearly 4,400 priests. It found that 22% of the victims were 10 years old or younger.
That's roughly 2,420 cases.
In what world is that "almost no cases?"
https://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2004_02_27_JohnJay_revised/2004_02_27_John_Jay_Main_Report_Optimized.pdf
Yeah, this is largely false and very creepy.
I stand corrected on my statement. I was not aware of the study, my perception was based upon news reports over the years. I will not make that error again. Thanks for the correction.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 13, 2023, 04:22:37 PM
People who state or imply that Catholics are pedophiles are ignorant and I'd question what other groups they make ugly generalizations about.
LA Dodgers think such folks should be celebrated
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 13, 2023, 04:22:37 PM
People who state or imply that Catholics are pedophiles are ignorant and I'd question what other groups they make ugly generalizations about.
I don't know that anyone accused catholics of being pedophiles.
I think many, including me, have accused catholic priests of such behavior. based on mountains of evidence.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 13, 2023, 04:11:13 PM
Not even close. The intent was to point out that people marrying at very young ages was alive and well in the US as recently as 60 years ago and those people are not weirdos.
Personally I would never advise anyone to marry before 25.
Marrying at very young ages (under 13, by your definition) was alive and well, but certainly not the norm 60 years ago, or even 600 years ago. Or even 1,600 years ago.
I'm not saying you fall in with this group, but that line of argument has been used commonly by older creeps to justify preying on teenage girls.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 13, 2023, 12:04:58 PM
Because it is how they refer to themselves. Better to know the code they use to spot em.
"Intergenerational relationships" is the other code word to look out for
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 13, 2023, 08:59:35 PM
"Intergenerational relationships" is the other code word to look out for
Or "IR"
One of our software programs at work has the IR initials. I type out the whole word now after learning that abbreviation.
I was hoping this was going to be about the strikes.
Womp womp.