https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37780608/steve-wojciechowski-coach-jazz-g-league-team-sources-say
Weird fit to me. Wojo seems to be the complete opposite of a pro coach: one of his true strengths was recruiting. He was a terrible in game coach. But whatever. Best of luck to him.
I have never wanted a team and player to be matched up more than Joey Hauser as an undrafted free agent to Utah.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 02, 2023, 03:32:08 PM
I have never wanted a team and player to be matched up more than Joey Hauser as an undrafted free agent to Utah.
I would think that the "free" part of "free agent" likely would prevent that. Unless, of course, it was his only option. In that case, I absolutely agree. My preference would be for Utah to trade down to a late second round pick and draft Joey.
Best of luck to Wojo........wish him well.
At what point does Markus get a contract with the Jazz?
Quote from: Coleman on June 02, 2023, 03:28:44 PM
Weird fit to me. Wojo seems to be the complete opposite of a pro coach: one of his true strengths was recruiting. He was a terrible in game coach. But whatever. Best of luck to him.
It seems like Wojo wants this to be his redemption tour to getting back to a high major college program, rather than bet on himself to win at a mid-major.
Wojo did some nice things for my MU housemates kid at Children's/Mke. All good on Woj.
Quote from: Coleman on June 02, 2023, 03:28:44 PM
Weird fit to me. Wojo seems to be the complete opposite of a pro coach: one of his true strengths was recruiting. He was a terrible in game coach. But whatever. Best of luck to him.
Its a decent fit, here is why. The Jazz have many of the Twolves first round picks in the the future. So they probably don't need to focus on G league development as much as other teams.
They can hire the cheapest qualified guy and Wojo is local.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 02, 2023, 03:32:08 PM
I have never wanted a team and player to be matched up more than Joey Hauser as an undrafted free agent to Utah.
Haha....that would be fantastic!
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on June 02, 2023, 05:16:13 PM
It seems like Wojo wants this to be his redemption tour to getting back to a high major college program, rather than bet on himself to win at a mid-major.
I think he is going the pro route now......like Snyder did
Wojciechowski, who has been living in the Salt Lake City area since departing Marquette in 2021, has been eager to make the leap into pro coaching and now lands with a franchise replete with young players and three first-round picks in the 2023 NBA draft
Quote from: Viper on June 02, 2023, 05:41:46 PM
Wojo did some nice things for my MU housemates kid at Children's/Mke. All good on Woj.
Yeah....hes not a dick....just a baaaaad coach.
The PERFECT fit for him. Zero accountability for wins and losses. Can fall off the map into oblivion while still collecting a check (from Marquette, too by the way!)
Just don't count on him for any serious player development! Wonder how long until they figure that one out.
Quote from: jfp61 on June 02, 2023, 06:02:23 PM
Its a decent fit, here is why. The Jazz have many of the Twolves first round picks in the the future. So they probably don't need to focus on G league development as much as other teams.
They can hire the cheapest qualified guy and Wojo is local.
But one of Wojo's shortcomings was player development. 👀
Quote from: zcg2013 on June 02, 2023, 04:47:42 PM
At what point does Markus get a contract with the Jazz?
At da point wear Woj is desperate ta save his job, aina?
The good thing about the NBA, players don't write letters to show leadership
Nm
He sure don't need the money
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 02, 2023, 07:16:20 PM
The good thing about the NBA, players don't write letters to show leadership
NBA? Wojo's coaching in the minors, not the show. If he forgets the score down there no one will care - or even notice.
There's a Wade connection here?
Good for Wojo. Getting some exposure to the NBA game should help him tactically become a better coach.
Having to make a living.
Providing for his family.
Time to move on.
Quote from: avid1010 on June 03, 2023, 06:08:34 AM
There's a Wade connection here?
Was thinking the same thing
Another connection is Brendan Bailey's father Thurl is still a broadcast analyst for the Jazz.
Quote from: NCMUFan on June 03, 2023, 06:49:34 AM
Having to make a living.
Providing for his family.
Time to move on.
Wojo should be living comfortably off his investment interest.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 02, 2023, 10:18:03 PM
NBA? Wojo's coaching in the minors, not the show. If he forgets the score down there no one will care - or even notice.
That's why there are two threads on scoop discussing it. Obviously, no one cares.
Quote from: TedBaxter on June 03, 2023, 07:13:31 AM
Another connection is Brendan Bailey's father Thurl is still a broadcast analyst for the Jazz.
Lol. Yeah, sure. Why wouldn't Thurl be a big Wojo fan? Brendan was the player who fouled upon Wojo's instruction when he forgot the score. Then leaving early without any hope to be drafted.
All kidding aside, good luck to Wojo. He represented the university well while here. I think an NBA assistant is a good landing spot eventually when the boys are older.
It sounds like during his paid staycation he took the time to reflect, learn and be exposed to other coaches and systems. I always thought it was a negative for him staying so long under one coach as it never allowed him to make his own mistakes or be exposed to a variety of systems.
Quote from: Viper on June 02, 2023, 05:41:46 PM
Wojo did some nice things for my MU housemates kid at Children's/Mke. All good on Woj.
I'm not surprised to hear this. Handled himself with class always. I ripped his coaching early and often, but never had a beef with his character. Just in over his head coaching high level basketball.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 03, 2023, 09:11:09 AM
Lol. Yeah, sure. Why wouldn't Thurl be a big Wojo fan? Brendan was the player who fouled upon Wojo's instruction when he forgot the score. Then leaving early without any hope to be drafted.
To be fair... When Wojo finally benched Joey hauser, he then replaced him with the only player who was worse on the team that year in Brendan Bailey coming off of his mission.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 03, 2023, 09:32:34 AM
All kidding aside, good luck to Wojo. He represented the university well while here. I think an NBA assistant is a good landing spot eventually when the boys are older.
It sounds like during his paid staycation he took the time to reflect, learn and be exposed to other coaches and systems. I always thought it was a negative for him staying so long under one coach as it never allowed him to make his own mistakes or be exposed to a variety of systems.
Spot on! There was some chatter early in Wojo's tenure about Marquette becoming "Duke North". I
hated that! Success? Hell yes! But lthe Duke North reference was codescending. I think he stayed in "Dukie Mode" for the entire seven years at Marquette, believing that if he just got enough top level recruits, in game coaching "no matta".
Agree with Hutch and Viper regarding his character, but he was hired first and foremost to coach.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 03, 2023, 08:43:08 AM
That's why there are two threads on scoop discussing it. Obviously, no one cares.
WTF? You ask the dumb, snarky question about "letters in the NBA" when your boy is heading to the minors, not the NBA.
Then you get a 1 out of 10 for reading comprehension. I didn't say nobody cared about Wojo around here - I said he's headed for a league where no one cares about the scores of the games, which is both true and fortunate for him.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 03, 2023, 01:47:12 PM
WTF? You ask the dumb, snarky question about "letters in the NBA" when your boy is heading to the minors, not the NBA.
Then you get a 1 out of 10 for reading comprehension. I didn't say nobody cared about Wojo around here - I said he's headed for a league where no one cares about the scores of the games, which is both true and fortunate for him.
Obviously plenty of people care about where he's going. The organization, the players, the coaches and plenty of others. I think what you're saying is #fakenews and #lies
As for Woj, he decorated his Quon crib in blue and gold holiday lights at Christmas. So, he has that goin' for 'im, hey?
Quote from: jfp61 on June 03, 2023, 09:49:40 AM
To be fair... When Wojo finally benched Joey hauser, he then replaced him with the only player who was worse on the team that year in Brendan Bailey coming off of his mission.
I agree with this analysis. And I'll add Wojo completely didn't understand how good Jamal Cain could be. His coaching of Jamal was borderline tragic.
That aside, Wojo was a good man. But a below average at best basketball coach.
Letter writing grades:
Jalen & Jayson: 💯
Sam & Joey: 💯
Quote from: NCMUFan on June 03, 2023, 06:49:34 AM
Having to make a living.
Providing for his family.
Time to move on.
Is this satire? He collected more from us in two lump sum payments than the average person will see in their lifetime.
Wojo loves the game.
He wanted to coach again.
Time to move on, folks.
For the haiku deprived.
Quote from: tower912 on June 04, 2023, 05:37:39 PM
Wojo loves the game.
He wanted to coach again.
Time to move on, folks.
For the haiku deprived.
Where was the haiku for the Hauser thread?
We only get 2 pages of reaction to his first job since MU?
Joey and Sam left
I moved on long, long ago
Best going forward.
Crean sucks
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on June 04, 2023, 05:56:22 PM
Where was the haiku for the Hauser thread?
We only get 2 pages of reaction to his first job since MU?
Wojo for the win
AC, HC and TV
Privilege is real
Coach K led the way
His time had come they would say
The Hauser letter
Good situation
Minor opportunity
Where score no matta
Haiku? Keefe? That you?
Still have not seen him around
Hope he's doing well
Quote from: NCMUFan on June 03, 2023, 06:49:34 AM
Having to make a living.
Providing for his family.
Time to move on.
The money alone MU has and is paying him in generational wealth....
He isn't coaching a G league team for the money. He loves the game and wants to coach.
Quote from: tower912 on June 05, 2023, 05:44:02 AM
He isn't coaching a G league team for the money. He loves the game and wants to coach.
Agree. With the addition that I think he wants to coach in the NBA. I figure he'll be an assistant on an NBA bench by the 2025 season if not sooner. I'm not saying he's well suited for that, but I think that's what is going to happen. I'm perfectly willing to entertain the possibility that Wojo can perform well as an assistant - even if it seems pretty widely believed here (and I agree) that he's not a good game coach.
Quote from: tower912 on June 05, 2023, 05:44:02 AM
He isn't coaching a G league team for the money. He loves the game and wants to coach.
Wow 29 Putts, I walked past the man's house every day and never knew that about him. Who knew, hey?
Is it your contention that he is taking a job in the G league for the money?
Actually, never mind. Coming from you, that tracks.
Quote from: tower912 on June 05, 2023, 11:13:12 AM
Is it your contention that he is taking a job in the G league for the money?
I know that this is not directed to me, but it's obvious that he's not taking the G league job for money. He's taking it to get back into coaching. That said, I'm sure he's hoping that his
next job will be more lucrative.
I'm reconsidering my prior post saying I thought he wanted an NBA gig. I could see someone like Wojo not wanting to be a college assistant and thinking that a G League job allows him to work for a year or two and then return to the college game as a HC. So, I'm not sure I think he'll be on an NBA bench by the 2025 season. But, I suspect he
won't be on a G league bench by then. He'll be coaching somewhere else and likely making a lot more money than a G league coach.
Didn't I read somewhere he bought a brand new truck after getting fired, a house (mansion) in the mountains in Utah, country club membership, etc, etc, etc?
Marquette's checks are stopping soon.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on June 05, 2023, 02:11:13 PM
Didn't I read somewhere he bought a brand new truck after getting fired, a house (mansion) in the mountains in Utah, country club membership, etc, etc, etc?
Marquette's checks are stopping soon.
He probably made $20+ million from Marquette. If he needs money then he's even worse at money management than he is at coaching and we all know how that went
According to Pro Ball Hub, both head coaches and assistant coaches in the G League are paid 75,000. That doesn't pay for the ski lessons in Park City.
Yeah I doubt this has anything to do with money. He could have made several hundred thousand dollars as a college assistant somewhere or a mid major head coach.
$75K is much lower than I expected for a G-League coach.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 05, 2023, 02:27:53 PM
According to Pro Ball Hub, both head coaches and assistant coaches in the G League are paid 75,000.
Ooops
Dat source not a source
Quote from: Coleman on June 05, 2023, 03:12:11 PM
Yeah I doubt this has anything to do with money. He could have made several hundred thousand dollars as a college assistant somewhere or a mid major head coach.
But then wouldn't he lose $3mil if he coached in college this year (the amount MU owes for this final year of his contract)? Meaning he makes way more in aggregate to coach GLeague this year than anywhere in college paying him less than $3mil?
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on June 05, 2023, 08:54:21 PM
But then wouldn't he lose $3mil if he coached in college this year (the amount MU owes for this final year of his contract)? Meaning he makes way more in aggregate to coach GLeague this year than anywhere in college paying him less than $3mil?
Would love to see the contract
Only sone have offset rights, and generally payouts in those circumstances aren't in one or two large lumps like Wojo. He got two payments of $4.6m each to cover the buyout (due payment for 3 years that were remaining)... but there could be* some offset rights in play and that's part of his decision
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 06, 2023, 02:24:16 PM
Only sone have offset rights, and generally payouts in those circumstances aren't in one or two large lumps like Wojo. He got two payments of $4.6m each to cover the buyout (due payment for 3 years that were remaining)... but there could be* some offset rights in play and that's part of his decision
I'll point out Wojo also agreed to deferred compensation during COVID before his separation so that was earned and owed to him.
Joey Hauser signs a 2 way deal with the Jazz. Wojo his coach once again. Awkward!
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on June 23, 2023, 05:50:45 AM
Joey Hauser signs a 2 way deal with the Jazz. Wojo his coach once again. Awkward!
Amazing. Perhaps he can write Wojo a letter to smooth things over.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on June 23, 2023, 05:50:45 AM
Joey Hauser signs a 2 way deal with the Jazz. Wojo his coach once again. Awkward!
Hilarious that this actually happened. I will for sure try and catch a few games.
Both parties will handle this with the upmost professionalism and maturity and strive for a mutually beneficial outcome.
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2023, 07:27:00 AM
Both parties will handle this with the upmost professionalism and maturity and strive for a mutually beneficial outcome.
Like Scoop!
Of course.
Now we know Sam was the real problem. Wojo loves Joey and made sure the Jazz signed him.
Edit: My guess is the Jazz hired Wojo to make sure they signed Joey. The old video coordinator ruse.
Everyone point and laugh at Joey!
I watched Henry struggle on defense and on the boards against G League forwards. He was bigger, faster, and had a more complete offensive game than Joey, other than 3 pt shooting. Joey is going to have to play faster on both ends to have a chance. Also, the guards in the G League are trying to get theirs, not make their teammates better.
The Joey thing is kinda funny but I doubt either of them really care. They both have a job to do and will do it just fine. Coaches and players don't need to be best friends. I'm sure its all water under the bridge now. Joey's job is to get to the NBA and Wojo's job is to develop him.
Hopefully the Jazz G League team signs Markus and the C's trade for Herro.
Mrs Hauser having lunch today with Adam Silver.
Quote from: Coleman on June 23, 2023, 09:39:13 AM
The Joey thing is kinda funny but I doubt either of them really care. They both have a job to do and will do it just fine. Coaches and players don't need to be best friends. I'm sure its all water under the bridge now. Joey's job is to get to the NBA and Wojo's job is to develop him.
Absolutely.
The Jazz didn't sign Joey to a contract to help Wojo settle some old score with the Hauser family. This G-League job is redemption for Wojo and he desperately wants to show the basketball world that he can develop young guys into pros. And Joey Hauser desperately wants to be a pro.
No worries. These guys will both be pulling in the same direction.
NOTE TO MA AND PA HAUSER:
Writing letters is chicken-chit college stuff. If you become dissatisfied with your boy's playing time, or if you think the coach likes the other kids better, leave the pen and paper in the drawer.
You posters bringing "reality" into the situation is a bit of a buzzkill on a beautiful Friday morning...
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on June 23, 2023, 10:01:31 AM
Absolutely.
The Jazz didn't sign Joey to a contract to help Wojo settle some old score with the Hauser family. This G-League job is redemption for Wojo and he desperately wants to show the basketball world that he can develop young guys into pros. And Joey Hauser desperately wants to be a pro.
No worries. These guys will both be pulling in the same direction.
NOTE TO MA AND PA HAUSER:
Writing letters is chicken-chit college stuff. If you become dissatisfied with your boy's playing time, or if you think the coach likes the other kids better, leave the pen and paper in the drawer.
Letter writing shows leadership
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 23, 2023, 10:05:20 AM
You posters bringing "reality" into the situation is a bit of a buzzkill on a beautiful Friday morning...
It's smokey and hot.
Quote from: Coleman on June 23, 2023, 09:39:13 AM
The Joey thing is kinda funny but I doubt either of them really care. They both have a job to do and will do it just fine. Coaches and players don't need to be best friends. I'm sure its all water under the bridge now. Joey's job is to get to the NBA and Wojo's job is to develop him.
unless Joey had no taker's other than Utah, this I find interesting. I mean, the Hauser's screwed Wojo, yes? Or, maybe it wasn't as big a deal to Woj and the Hauser's as made out to be? Regardless, my guess is you are correct. Old news. Move forward.
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2023, 08:35:15 AM
I watched Henry struggle on defense and on the boards against G League forwards. He was bigger, faster, and had a more complete offensive game than Joey, other than 3 pt shooting. Joey is going to have to play faster on both ends to have a chance. Also, the guards in the G League are trying to get theirs, not make their teammates better.
That's a big "other than," though. Even more than just a few years ago when Henry was trying to make it, the NBA is all about 3s and spacing the floor.
If Joey can prove that he can shoot a high percentage from the league's 3-point range, I think he's got a good chance to have an NBA career.
Quote from: Viper on June 23, 2023, 12:36:08 PM
unless Joey had no taker's other than Utah, this I find interesting. I mean, the Hauser's screwed Wojo, yes? Or, maybe it wasn't as big a deal to Woj and the Hauser's as made out to be? Regardless, my guess is you are correct. Old news. Move forward.
It was a much bigger deal to Marquette fans than it was to either of the Hausers or Wojo. It was a business decision. The Hausers didn't like the coaching decisions being made at Marquette at the time and decided to move. I don't think either side views it as personal. They will be fine.
Quote from: Coleman on June 23, 2023, 03:57:21 PM
It was a much bigger deal to Marquette fans than it was to either of the Hausers or Wojo. It was a business decision. The Hausers didn't like the coaching decisions being made at Marquette at the time and decided to move. I don't think either side views it as personal. They will be fine.
Listen, Coleman, if you're going to continue to make reasonable and smart posts, we'll have to ask you to leave
Quote from: Coleman on June 23, 2023, 03:57:21 PM
It was a much bigger deal to Marquette fans than it was to either of the Hausers or Wojo. It was a business decision. The Hausers didn't like the coaching decisions being made at Marquette at the time and decided to move. I don't think either side views it as personal. They will be fine.
Time might have healed it, but it was certainly personal on both sides when it was happening.
Quote from: Coleman on June 23, 2023, 03:57:21 PM
It was a much bigger deal to Marquette fans than it was to either of the Hausers or Wojo. It was a business decision. The Hausers didn't like the coaching decisions being made at Marquette at the time and decided to move. I don't think either side views it as personal. They will be fine.
I'm thinking the Jazz made the best offer that Joey couldn't turn down just so Wojo could have his revenge. It might've even have been in Wojo's contract. Must sign Joey cuz he ain't getting drafted
Sam in Boston
Joey in Utah
Meanwhile the Pacers are left asking: "wait there's only two Hausers?"
Quote from: The Lens on June 23, 2023, 05:19:40 PM
Sam in Boston
Joey in Utah
Meanwhile the Pacers are left asking: "wait there's only two Hausers?"
Trevor Anderson is still available.
Quote from: The Lens on June 23, 2023, 05:19:40 PM
Sam in Boston
Joey in Utah
Meanwhile the Pacers are left asking: "wait there's only two Hausers?"
Hey, the two whitest teams in the league!
Maybe Woj has grown a dick and will do what coaches are hired to do, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 23, 2023, 07:35:56 PM
Maybe Woj has grown a dick and will do what coaches are hired to do, aina?
Not let the inmates run the asylum?
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2023, 08:35:15 AM
I watched Henry struggle on defense and on the boards against G League forwards. He was bigger, faster, and had a more complete offensive game than Joey, other than 3 pt shooting. Joey is going to have to play faster on both ends to have a chance. Also, the guards in the G League are trying to get theirs, not make their teammates better.
I doubt Joey makes it, but he a forward who is a borderline elite 3 point shooter. Henry was a forward who was a poor 3 point shooter. In today's game that matters - a lot.
Fair.
Wojo and Joey deserve each other
Quote from: Boone on June 23, 2023, 08:36:26 PM
Wojo and Joey deserve each other
Like Peas and Carrots
(https://gifdb.com/images/file/funny-hello-joey-hauser-pop-up-xuqjw2m2udl3gp8g.gif)
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Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 23, 2023, 07:35:56 PM
Maybe Woj has grown a dick and will do what coaches are hired to do, aina?
Exactly. They failed bc Wojo didn't coach Markus hard. Now's an opportunity for change.
It's stunning that after 7 years of Wojo's absolutely awful coaching, after watching Sam ascend to the Celtics, watching Joey beat us in the NCAA, that people are still on Team Wojo. Must have taken Hot yoga alongside Woj.
The Hausers were 100 percent correct in everything that they did.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on June 24, 2023, 06:24:32 AM
It's stunning that after 7 years of Wojo's absolutely awful coaching, after watching Sam ascend to the Celtics, watching Joey beat us in the NCAA, that people are still on Team Wojo. Must have taken Hot yoga alongside Woj.
The Hausers were 100 percent correct in everything that they did.
write a letter and quit the team? F'em
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on June 24, 2023, 06:24:32 AM
It's stunning that after 7 years of Wojo's absolutely awful coaching, after watching Sam ascend to the Celtics, watching Joey beat us in the NCAA, that people are still on Team Wojo. Must have taken Hot yoga alongside Woj.
The Hausers were 100 percent correct in everything that they did.
This is what make the internet great. :o
Next up additions for Wojo are the Ellenson Brothers and Sandy Cohen.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on June 23, 2023, 08:44:21 PM
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/25/b0/6d25b0293957760ffd25dbd5e49e9e40.gif)
Holy unnatural carnal knowledge that's embarrassing
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Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on June 24, 2023, 06:24:32 AM
It's stunning that after 7 years of Wojo's absolutely awful coaching, after watching Sam ascend to the Celtics, watching Joey beat us in the NCAA, that people are still on Team Wojo. Must have taken Hot yoga alongside Woj.
The Hausers were 100 percent correct in everything that they did.
👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻
There's no "side" worth picking.
Wojo sucked as a coach AND the Hausers tried (and failed) to organize a mutiny.
It took Joey 4 years to finally have a season better than his freshman campaign at Marquette, and his 3-year stint at Michigan State corresponded with Izzo's worst 3-year run in a quarter-century. If folks want to call that "success," cool.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on June 24, 2023, 06:24:32 AM
It's stunning that after 7 years of Wojo's absolutely awful coaching, after watching Sam ascend to the Celtics, watching Joey beat us in the NCAA, that people are still on Team Wojo. Must have taken Hot yoga alongside Woj.
The Hausers were 100 percent correct in everything that they did.
Sam played with Markus for 2 years before Joey showed up and there was no issue. For such unselfish, high IQ guys, kind of odd Sam couldn't pick up on the issues playing with Markus earlier. Or playing for Wojo earlier.
Maybe the problem was the piece that wasn't there for those first 2 years.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 24, 2023, 08:40:28 PM
Sam played with Markus for 2 years before Joey showed up and there was no issue. For such unselfish, high IQ guys, kind of odd Sam couldn't pick up on the issues playing with Markus earlier. Or playing for Wojo earlier.
Maybe the problem was the piece that wasn't there for those first 2 years.
Seems rather obvious, does it not? Joey should have gone to MSU in the first place. Not protecting Wojo hereat all.
Quote from: Nukem2 on June 24, 2023, 08:45:30 PM
Seems rather obvious, does it not? Joey should have gone to MSU in the first place. Not protecting Wojo hereat all.
Wojo never knew when to say when with recruits. Karim, Nico, Quentin, Joey. He needed to learn who was into him and who wasn't. A dog chasing his tail.
Marquette coming off its best season in a decade. Top 3 discussions on Scoop, Thea last posts were about:
Wojo
Bo Ryan
Theo John & Trayce Jackson Davis
BTW, don't yall think that Wojo was asked about Joey before they signed him? Seems pretty obvious that they would do that.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 25, 2023, 09:04:40 AM
Marquette coming off its best season in a decade. Top 3 discussions on Scoop, Thea last posts were about:
Wojo
Bo Ryan
Theo John & Trayce Jackson Davis
You forgot block%
Lol at giving Bennett credit for Sam " ascending " with the Celtics......
In Sam's final season at Virginia ......after sitting out a year to improve his game.......he was basically the same player as he was at MU......as far as team success.......Virginia was a 4 seed and lost to a 13 seed in the first round.......
Wojo didn't get it done here.......but Sam and Joey were no better after they left......even though they played fir great coaches.
Quote from: MU82 on June 25, 2023, 11:23:43 AM
You forgot block%
This seems to be a new running Scoop meme but on draft night, shot blocking stats were mentioned for each forward's or center's summary as they were picked in round 1, except for OMax. O'Max's capsule sounded like a two guard's which may be where Dallas will try to slot him. He has freakish but raw ability but that seems to be where the scout's have him pegged (2 guard).
Quote from: wadesworld on June 24, 2023, 08:40:28 PM
Sam played with Markus for 2 years before Joey showed up and there was no issue.
Except the issue of being a mediocre basketball team, sure.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on June 25, 2023, 05:49:43 PM
Except the issue of being a mediocre basketball team, sure.
Elite offensive bball team
Quote from: wadesworld on June 24, 2023, 08:40:28 PM
Sam played with Markus for 2 years before Joey showed up and there was no issue. For such unselfish, high IQ guys, kind of odd Sam couldn't pick up on the issues playing with Markus earlier. Or playing for Wojo earlier.
Maybe the problem was the piece that wasn't there for those first 2 years.
You're omitting another piece that wasn't there for those first two years - Markus's 37.4% usage rate. It increased 40% from his freshman year and 21% from year 2. And Wojo viewed that as something to celebrate rather than be concerned about. So the situation that Joey walked into and that Sam endured in his third year was very different than the one Sam played in in year's 1 and 2.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 25, 2023, 06:27:44 PM
You're omitting another piece that wasn't there for those first two years - Markus's 37.4% usage rate. It increased 40% from his freshman year and 21% from year 2. And Wojo viewed that as something to celebrate rather than be concerned about. So the situation that Joey walked into and that Sam endured in his third year was very different than the one Sam played in in year's 1 and 2.
Joey is a program killer is what you're saying
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 25, 2023, 06:29:17 PM
Joey is a program killer is what you're saying
0 out of 10 for reading comprehension.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 25, 2023, 06:34:30 PM
0 out of 10 for reading comprehension.
10 out of 10 for being right. I fear the Jazz organization may go bankrupt with his presence
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 25, 2023, 06:36:27 PM
10 out of 10 for being right. I fear the Jazz organization may go bankrupt with his presence
So DWade needs to sell his stake for the sake of Marquette's endowment.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 25, 2023, 06:27:44 PM
You're omitting another piece that wasn't there for those first two years - Markus's 37.4% usage rate. It increased 40% from his freshman year and 21% from year 2. And Wojo viewed that as something to celebrate rather than be concerned about. So the situation that Joey walked into and that Sam endured in his third year was very different than the one Sam played in in year's 1 and 2.
Truth. End of the day, no skilled offensive basketball player wants to play with a "me first" PG who launches 27' step backs 7 seconds into the shot clock and a dip crap head coach. Why any Scoopers want to take up for Wojo is weird. I don't blame Markus, he simply followed Wojo's orders to "shoot more and Markus has the ultimate green light." I don't blame the Hausers for wanting to try to encourage Wojo to figure out how to get that team to play team basketball. Nor do I blame them for wanting to leave. At all.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on June 25, 2023, 07:37:48 PM
Truth. End of the day, no skilled offensive basketball player wants to play with a "me first" PG who launches 27' step backs 7 seconds into the shot clock and a dip crap head coach. Why any Scoopers want to take up for Wojo is weird. I don't blame Markus, he simply followed Wojo's orders to "shoot more and Markus has the ultimate green light." I don't blame the Hausers for wanting to try to encourage Wojo to figure out how to get that team to play team basketball. Nor do I blame them for wanting to leave. At all.
Hausers are program killers.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 25, 2023, 06:14:25 PM
Elite offensive bball team
Who cares... hang the banner?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 25, 2023, 07:53:42 PM
Hausers are program killers.
Can't kill a program that was already dead. I don't necessarily expect you to understand that.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on June 25, 2023, 07:37:48 PM
Truth. End of the day, no skilled offensive basketball player wants to play with a "me first" PG who launches 27' step backs 7 seconds into the shot clock and a dip crap head coach. Why any Scoopers want to take up for Wojo is weird. I don't blame Markus, he simply followed Wojo's orders to "shoot more and Markus has the ultimate green light." I don't blame the Hausers for wanting to try to encourage Wojo to figure out how to get that team to play team basketball. Nor do I blame them for wanting to leave. At all.
I think most players would love to play with Steph.
Hausers didn't want to play with Markus. Well, once Joseph showed up, anyway. Didn't want to play with Herro. There's a common denominator here.
Joseph took one for the family and went to MU when he didn't want to. Sam took one for the team and left MU to side with his family. Sam passed up on an extra year of NBA money. Joseph remained the same player for another 4 years. Neither had the spine to make their own decision.
And it resulted in Shaka here.
The Hausers are so selfless and smart basketball players that they knew to get as far away from Wojo as possible. One of those smart and selfless players is now choosing to play for Wojo. Hard to process that.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on June 25, 2023, 08:34:28 PM
Can't kill a program that was already dead. I don't necessarily expect you to understand that.
They went and killed Virginia and Michigan State. Look at Michigan State, Joe finally graduates and they're projected top-5 team without him. Facts
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 25, 2023, 08:51:46 PM
They went and killed Virginia and Michigan State. Look at Michigan State, Joe finally graduates and they're projected top-5 team without him. Facts
Projected top 5 team?? Hang the banner!
Wojo killed the program. Never forget that. Shaka has resurrected it.
Ya'll are forgetting something -- both Wojo and the Baby Hauser have a vested interested in making this work.
Wojo -- Chronic assistant coach, failed badly at Marquette despite having decent, though not extraordinary, talent. Getting a "G" League chance to rehabilitate himself and his reputation.
Baby Hauser -- Needs a shot at the Show. Utah apparently was the most attractive situation. Will take whatever he can get from Coach Wojo so the Baby Hauser joins Sam in the Show.
If either of them fail, they both fail.
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2023, 07:27:00 AM
Both parties will handle this with the upmost professionalism and maturity and strive for a mutually beneficial outcome.
Bump.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 25, 2023, 08:51:46 PM
They went and killed Virginia and Michigan State. Look at Michigan State, Joe finally graduates and they're projected top-5 team without him. Facts
We were a projected top 5 team until we lost a dude who can't block shots, so throw projections out the window aina
(Joey had a higher blk%, btw)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 25, 2023, 07:53:42 PM
Hausers are program killers.
I agree. They ultimately killed the Wojo regime with their decision. Thank God.
Fookin' Woj killed himself, aina?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on June 26, 2023, 10:05:18 AM
I agree. They ultimately killed the Wojo regime with their decision. Thank God.
Amazing how they destroy everything they touch.
At least they didn't take $11 million in two lump sum payments on their way out the door.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on June 26, 2023, 10:56:08 AM
At least they didn't take $11 million in two lump sum payments on their way out the door.
They just devour and destroy
devour? :o
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on June 26, 2023, 11:18:16 AM
devour? :o
No more hyperbolic than 'killed the program'.
But this is fun stuff for late June. You two need to keep going.
Quote from: tower912 on June 26, 2023, 11:20:49 AM
No more hyperbolic than 'killed the program'.
But this is fun stuff for late June. You two need to keep going.
My new name for them moving forward is "The Plague"
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on June 26, 2023, 10:56:08 AM
At least they didn't take $11 million in two lump sum payments on their way out the door.
Neither did Wojo
Joey was awful the second half of the year as a freshman. Benching him was the right call. The issue was wojo opted to play brendan bailey, who might have been the only guy playing who was worse than Joey.
Quote from: tower912 on June 26, 2023, 11:20:49 AM
No more hyperbolic than 'killed the program'.
But this is fun stuff for late June. You two need to keep going.
Wojo lover to this day. If he didn't kill the program - what did he do?
Didn't move it forward. Pretty much the same program when he left as when he arrived.
As someone who lived through the Bob Dukiet era, I know what "killing a program" looks like. Wojo didn't kill Marquette basketball.
Quote from: tower912 on June 26, 2023, 11:36:22 AM
Didn't move it forward. Pretty much the same program when he left as when he arrived.
You can't be serious.
Spare me the bare cupboard argument as that is simply pathetic at this point.
Yeah, it feels like this has been done before. Boring.
Back to my point. Rico was no more hyperbolic than you. But he is doing schtick. Mocking the mockable.
He can do whatever schtick he'd like. Wojo is indefensible yet you still find a way.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on June 26, 2023, 12:39:18 PM
He can do whatever schtick he'd like. Wojo is indefensible yet you still find a way.
No one is defending Wojo by merely pointing out your hyperbole.
Rico said Hausers are program killers before I said anything. If the baseline understanding is that the program has been killed, we must identify the cause of death - Wojo.
Feel free to re-read the thread.
Rico is engaging in his usual schtick. Sorry you have yet to figure that out.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on June 26, 2023, 12:44:26 PM
Rico said Hausers are program killers before I said anything. If the baseline understanding is that the program has been killed, we must identify the cause of death - Wojo.
Feel free to re-read the thread.
They've killed programs everywhere they've gone. Like the plague, they're relentless in their destruction. One constant has been the Stevens Point Brothers, the Plague of College Basketball.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 26, 2023, 12:51:30 PM
They've killed programs everywhere they've gone. Like the plague, they're relentless in their destruction. One constant has been the Stevens Point Brothers, the Plague of College Basketball.
But they won some WIAA State Tourneys!
Quote from: tower912 on June 26, 2023, 11:49:42 AM
Yeah, it feels like this has been done before. Boring.
Back to my point. Rico was no more hyperbolic than you. But he is doing schtick. Mocking the mockable.
Yeah, it (the schtick) feels like it's been done before. Boring.
Mocking the mockable is never boring.
Don't you have a Bible verse on that topic in your sig...?
I do. And it is in Rico's heart to mock the mockable.
Like this.....
https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/06/dnr-delivers-epic-burn-after-couple-vandalizes-new-tahquamenon-falls-boardwalk.html
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 26, 2023, 02:23:34 PM
Yeah, it (the schtick) feels like it's been done before. Boring.
Wojo and Hauser bashing is never old or boring. The topic thrives. It's a very important subject to discuss imo
Cheerful and fearless. Well done.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 26, 2023, 02:23:34 PM
Yeah, it (the schtick) feels like it's been done before. Boring.
Just like 4ever who has run the same schtick for years. Does the bit get annoying? Sure. But everyone knows what it is. Except, apparently, in this thread.
I'm sorry. But where in Wojo's tenure at MU did he show any ability to develop players beyond what they came in with?
I wish him well but this job seems like square peg, round hole.
Funny they got the hard part of his name right .. #Stove
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Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 03, 2023, 07:49:38 PM
Funny they got the hard part of his name right .. #Stove
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Well his hot yoga reputation is building.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 03, 2023, 07:49:38 PM
Funny they got the hard part of his name right .. #Stove
(https://snipboard.io/kHvVdt.jpg)
He must already be on the hot seat.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on June 26, 2023, 10:56:08 AM
At least they didn't take $11 million in two lump sum payments on their way out the door.
Are you sure?
I have it on good authority that wealthy MU alums paid them handsomely not to attend Wisconsin.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 05, 2023, 09:34:48 AM
Are you sure?
I have it on good authority that wealthy MU alums paid them handsomely not to attend Wisconsin.
$11 million?
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on July 05, 2023, 09:55:40 AM
$11 million?
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