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Title: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 12, 2023, 08:03:48 PM
Consider donating to the Be the Difference collective. For better or worse, NIL is the new norm in college basketball. Marquette found a way to address this reality while still staying in line with it's Jesuit mission and values. The collective is a 501(C)(3) plays players for their work in the community with various non-profits such as the Boys and Girls Club, Sharp Literacy, All in Milwaukee and others.

https://www.bethedifferencenil.org/

Donations of any size help. The reality is, whenever this magical season ends (likely on a Monday in April), the portal is going to open and there's going to be a lot of money being thrown out our guys. Memphis will send three or four brinks trucks to Kam. Oso, Jop, and Stevie are all going to be getting calls from around the country. Donating helps give back to community while also ensuring that we will continue to be the dominant team in the BEast.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 13, 2023, 02:36:07 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 12, 2023, 08:03:48 PM
Consider donating to the Be the Difference collective. For better or worse, NIL is the new norm in college basketball. Marquette found a way to address this reality while still staying in line with it's Jesuit mission and values. The collective is a 501(C)(3) plays players for their work in the community with various non-profits such as the Boys and Girls Club, Sharp Literacy, All in Milwaukee and others.

https://www.bethedifferencenil.org/

Donations of any size help. The reality is, whenever this magical season ends (likely on a Monday in April), the portal is going to open and there's going to be a lot of money being thrown out our guys. Memphis will send three or four brinks trucks to Kam. Oso, Jop, and Stevie are all going to be getting calls from around the country. Donating helps give back to community while also ensuring that we will continue to be the dominant team in the BEast.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.  Time to put up or shut up.  Any little bit helps.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: i71_dawg on March 13, 2023, 05:32:13 AM
I donated to this NIL collective last night. 

And I'm headed to the game on Friday in Columbus.

WE ARE MARQUETTE!
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: 1SE on March 13, 2023, 05:32:59 AM
What's the link to Tyler's site again? Horrible shirts, but nice to put a little skrilla in his pocket.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 10:04:39 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 12, 2023, 08:03:48 PM
Consider donating to the Be the Difference collective. For better or worse, NIL is the new norm in college basketball. Marquette found a way to address this reality while still staying in line with it's Jesuit mission and values. The collective is a 501(C)(3) plays players for their work in the community with various non-profits such as the Boys and Girls Club, Sharp Literacy, All in Milwaukee and others.

https://www.bethedifferencenil.org/

Donations of any size help. The reality is, whenever this magical season ends (likely on a Monday in April), the portal is going to open and there's going to be a lot of money being thrown out our guys. Memphis will send three or four brinks trucks to Kam. Oso, Jop, and Stevie are all going to be getting calls from around the country. Donating helps give back to community while also ensuring that we will continue to be the dominant team in the BEast.

So is Shaka blowing a lot of hot air about relationships or is it the money? So schools will be trying to poach our players, but our money is there only to keep what we have. I am not sure I like this new reality or MU's strategy in this brave new world of college athletics. I do hope it is about relationships because if any of our guys leave for the money they are not going to find what they have here, elsewhere. I am not sure how donating to "Be the Difference" to give back to the community can compete with 4 brink trucks to just one of our players from a school like Memphis. Just wait until the big spenders come calling. However, if it is about relationships the money won't matter.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: wadesworld on March 13, 2023, 10:05:58 AM
Outside of Nigel Pack, how many high major starters left for another high major program this past offseason?

If we can't keep the key players happy and they're leaving for other D1 basketball programs after the season we've had, we're in a world of hurt going forward.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 13, 2023, 10:26:26 AM
Anonymous Eagle is hosting a Twitter Space tonight to talk brackets and support Be the Difference:

https://www.anonymouseagle.com/marquette-basketball/2023/3/12/23636555/ncaa-basketball-tournament-bracket-analysis-be-the-difference-nil-fundraiser

I know he's working on getting at least one former player on the discussion. Good way to kick off the first week of Madness.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: Oldgym on March 13, 2023, 10:50:28 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 10:04:39 AM
So is Shaka blowing a lot of hot air about relationships or is it the money? So schools will be trying to poach our players, but our money is there only to keep what we have. I am not sure I like this new reality or MU's strategy in this brave new world of college athletics. I do hope it is about relationships because if any of our guys leave for the money they are not going to find what they have here, elsewhere. I am not sure how donating to "Be the Difference" to give back to the community can compete with 4 brink trucks to just one of our players from a school like Memphis. Just wait until the big spenders come calling. However, if it is about relationships the money won't matter.

Shaka is definitely not blowing hot air. "Culture" and "relationships" are trite and so much a part of coachspeak that we barely notice. Until you get something like this year's MU team and you can actually see it in play, hear it in their voices, and witness the results.  So I believe him when he talks about it in pressers. But at some point it's out of his control. He's created a hell of a culture AND is well paid. The players? They can both love the program they're in and want to get paid.  TAMU is betting that one or two will simply get offers they can't refuse, unless MU boosters are ready to counter.

Quote from: wadesworld on March 13, 2023, 10:05:58 AM
Outside of Nigel Pack, how many high major starters left for another high major program this past offseason?

Great question.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 10:55:27 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 10:04:39 AM
So is Shaka blowing a lot of hot air about relationships or is it the money? So schools will be trying to poach our players, but our money is there only to keep what we have. I am not sure I like this new reality or MU's strategy in this brave new world of college athletics. I do hope it is about relationships because if any of our guys leave for the money they are not going to find what they have here, elsewhere. I am not sure how donating to "Be the Difference" to give back to the community can compete with 4 brink trucks to just one of our players from a school like Memphis. Just wait until the big spenders come calling. However, if it is about relationships the money won't matter.

So did Chones have a bad relationship with Al when he left for the ABA? After all if it is about relationships the money won't matter.

Relationships matter. Money matters. To pretend otherwise is naïve.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: SaveOD238 on March 13, 2023, 11:03:33 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 13, 2023, 10:05:58 AM
Outside of Nigel Pack, how many high major starters left for another high major program this past offseason?

If we can't keep the key players happy and they're leaving for other D1 basketball programs after the season we've had, we're in a world of hurt going forward.

Nijel Pack, Tyrese Hunter, Kevin McCullar, Matthew Mayer, Trevon Brazile among others

https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Basketball/TransferPortalTop/
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 11:14:19 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 13, 2023, 10:05:58 AM
Outside of Nigel Pack, how many high major starters left for another high major program this past offseason?

Off the top of my head

Kevin McCullar
Noah Locke
Devin Carter
Tyrese Hunter
Manny Bates
Brandon Murray
Dre Davis
Al-Amir Dawes
Eric Hunter Jr
Qudus Wahab
Andre Curbelo
Jalen Bridges
Courtney Ramey
Terrance Shannon Jr
Matthew Mayer
Pete Nance
Efton Feid
Tre Mitchell
Isaiah Cottrell
Devion Harmon
Dawson Garcia (obviously some other issues going on there)

Quote from: wadesworld on March 13, 2023, 10:05:58 AM
If we can't keep the key players happy and they're leaving for other D1 basketball programs after the season we've had, we're in a world of hurt going forward.

True. That's why the collective is important.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 13, 2023, 11:35:06 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on March 13, 2023, 10:05:58 AMIf we can't keep the key players happy and they're leaving for other D1 basketball programs after the season we've had, we're in a world of hurt going forward.

This is a great point that illustrates exactly why Marquette fans should support BTD.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: panda on March 13, 2023, 11:37:08 AM
FWIW - Memphis is going to back up the brinks truck for Kam this off season. They need someone to replace Kendrick and want to bring back the home town kid. Donate, donate, donate !
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: Goose on March 13, 2023, 11:40:25 AM
Reality is you can have relationships and guys can make money. I said this past summer that Shaka retaining the core of the team might be his greatest recruiting season ever. I can't fault young guys for bieng tempted by money and MU should remain competitive in this area moving forward. There is no doubt in my mind that MU, and every school, will not be able to retain every guy season after season. IMO, if a guy left for an extra $50-100k, it might not be the end of the world, provided MU make competitive offer.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: panda on March 13, 2023, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: Goose on March 13, 2023, 11:40:25 AM
Reality is you can have relationships and guys can make money. I said this past summer that Shaka retaining the core of the team might be his greatest recruiting season ever. I can't fault young guys for bieng tempted by money and MU should remain competitive in this area moving forward. There is no doubt in my mind that MU, and every school, will not be able to retain every guy season after season. IMO, if a guy left for an extra $50-100k, it might not be the end of the world, provided MU make competitive offer.

Goose - I've been assured that we will be competitive with 99% of offers coming in from other schools.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: Goose on March 13, 2023, 11:56:11 AM
panda

I have zero concern about MU being competitive, but appreciate your feedback. Like I said, if MU can pay some X and the leave for addition $50 or #100k, I am not going to lose sleep over it. Also, if someone wants to pay a crazy amount to kid, I am 100% in favor of the kid chasing the cash. Plus, while I do not insane roster turnover, I'll take my chances that Shaka can get replacement players.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: panda on March 13, 2023, 11:58:23 AM
Quote from: Goose on March 13, 2023, 11:56:11 AM
panda

I have zero concern about MU being competitive, but appreciate your feedback. Like I said, if MU can pay some X and the leave for addition $50 or #100k, I am not going to lose sleep over it. Also, if someone wants to pay a crazy amount to kid, I am 100% in favor of the kid chasing the cash. Plus, while I do not insane roster turnover, I'll take my chances that Shaka can get replacement players.

Our views align.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 01:39:38 PM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 10:55:27 AM
So did Chones have a bad relationship with Al when he left for the ABA? After all if it is about relationships the money won't matter.

Relationships matter. Money matters. To pretend otherwise is naïve.

...and to pretend that Be the Difference is going make a difference to keep players like Kam here at MU when some Memphis booster with Brink trucks of cash who could care less about serving the community comes calling is also naive. I'm sure the money is going to come from "other sources" to compensate and retain our players. Paying our players to do "charitable work" to serve the community seems quite disingenuous to me, when we are actually paying them to stay at MU.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: lawdog77 on March 13, 2023, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 11:14:19 AM
Off the top of my head

Kevin McCullar
Noah Locke
Devin Carter
Tyrese Hunter
Manny Bates
Brandon Murray
Dre Davis
Al-Amir Dawes
Eric Hunter Jr
Qudus Wahab
Andre Curbelo
Jalen Bridges
Courtney Ramey
Terrance Shannon Jr
Matthew Mayer
Pete Nance
Efton Feid
Tre Mitchell
Isaiah Cottrell
Devion Harmon
Dawson Garcia (obviously some other issues going on there)

True. That's why the collective is important.
Thanks, Rainman.

That's quite the list. I can't even remember that many family members some days.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2023, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 01:39:38 PM
...and to pretend that Be the Difference is going make a difference to keep players like Kam here at MU when some Memphis booster with Brink trucks of cash who could care less about serving the community comes calling is also naive. I'm sure the money is going to come from "other sources" to compensate and retain our players. Paying our players to do "charitable work" to serve the community seems quite disingenuous to me, when we are actually paying them to stay at MU.

It's not disingenuous at all. Those running the collective, and Marquette athletes who benefit from it, can be 100% sincere about doing good works while also helping athletes get paid. It's about freakin' time that the college athletes who make the entire system work are getting paid legally.

It's life in college sports in the 2020s. If it bothers you too much, you might want to find other passions and/or pastimes.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: IrwinFletcher on March 13, 2023, 02:02:46 PM
Marcus Lemonis was sitting courtside in MSG with prominent MU administration officials.  I am sure there are things going on behind the scenes to ensure we can support our SA's in order to keep them at MU.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 13, 2023, 02:15:18 PM
Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2023, 01:49:33 PM
It's life in college sports in the 2020s. If it bothers you too much, you might want to find other passions and/or pastimes.

Complaining about it CAN be a pastime.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 02:17:02 PM
Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2023, 01:49:33 PM
It's not disingenuous at all. Those running the collective, and Marquette athletes who benefit from it, can be 100% sincere about doing good works while also helping athletes get paid. It's about freakin' time that the college athletes who make the entire system work are getting paid legally.

It's life in college sports in the 2020s. If it bothers you too much, you might want to find other passions and/or pastimes.

This has nothing to do with a college athlete getting paid. I went to all four Be the Difference partners websites and they each have their own DONATE button. I am just troubled that donating money to Be the Difference is money that could be going to that particular charity itself.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2023, 02:18:14 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 01:39:38 PM
...and to pretend that Be the Difference is going make a difference to keep players like Kam here at MU when some Memphis booster with Brink trucks of cash who could care less about serving the community comes calling is also naive. I'm sure the money is going to come from "other sources" to compensate and retain our players. Paying our players to do "charitable work" to serve the community seems quite disingenuous to me, when we are actually paying them to stay at MU.


In my experience, giving a good employee a nice bump in compensation often prevents them from looking at other alternatives. IOW, show Kam some love, and we may not need to match some hypothetical brinks offer from Memphis.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 02:23:23 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 01:39:38 PM
...and to pretend that Be the Difference is going make a difference to keep players like Kam here at MU when some Memphis booster with Brink trucks of cash who could care less about serving the community comes calling is also naive.

Why is it naïve? The collective isn't just for small donations, it's also for large donors.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 01:39:38 PM
I'm sure the money is going to come from "other sources" to compensate and retain our players.

No it's not. It all goes through the collective. I mean players can negotiate their own NIL deals outside the collective if they want but otherwise it all goes through the Collective.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 01:39:38 PM
Paying our players to do "charitable work" to serve the community seems quite disingenuous to me, when we are actually paying them to stay at MU.

Well first, not all of the money goes to the players so you are incorrect.

Second, the players are getting paid whether you like it or not. They can paid and not have to do charity work or they can get paid and have to do charity work. Are you off the opinion that the option that doesn't benefit the community is the better one?
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 13, 2023, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 13, 2023, 02:02:46 PM
Marcus Lemonis was sitting courtside in MSG with prominent MU administration officials.  I am sure there are things going on behind the scenes to ensure we can support our SA's in order to keep them at MU.




Nah, I heard he was on a billboard in Times Square, hey?
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 13, 2023, 02:26:55 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 02:17:02 PM
This has nothing to do with a college athlete getting paid. I went to all four Be the Difference partners websites and they each have their own DONATE button. I am just troubled that donating money to Be the Difference is money that could be going to that particular charity itself.

If you want to donate to them independently, that's your prerogative. If you want your money to go to a 501c3 that helps our players earn money and contribute to the community in the process, this is your option. This isn't just about helping those organizations, it's about supporting the Marquette Basketball program.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 02:28:15 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 02:17:02 PM
This has nothing to do with a college athlete getting paid. I went to all four Be the Difference partners websites and they each have their own DONATE button. I am just troubled that donating money to Be the Difference is money that could be going to that particular charity itself.

If you think your charity dollars are better spent elsewhere, that's obviously a legitimate opinion. But no one who was going to donate to these four non-profits is going to stop donating because of the collective. What will happen, is a bunch of people who would have never thought to donate to any of these organizations before will now donate because of the collective.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 13, 2023, 02:18:14 PM

In my experience, giving a good employee a nice bump in compensation often prevents them from looking at other alternatives. IOW, show Kam some love, and we may not need to match some hypothetical brinks offer from Memphis.

I have no problem with that. I just have a problem with Be the Difference promoting itself that if you give here we'll help our "partners" in the community when donating directly to those organizations may actually do more good.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 02:32:56 PM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 02:28:15 PM
If you think your charity dollars are better spent elsewhere, that's obviously a legitimate opinion. But no one who was going to donate to these four non-profits is going to stop donating because of the collective. What will happen, is a bunch of people who would have never thought to donate to any of these organizations before will now donate because of the collective.

How is that, any specifics?  I might change my mind.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 13, 2023, 02:26:55 PM
If you want to donate to them independently, that's your prerogative. If you want your money to go to a 501c3 that helps our players earn money and contribute to the community in the process, this is your option. This isn't just about helping those organizations, it's about supporting the Marquette Basketball program.

I though that what the Blue & Gold fund was for.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 13, 2023, 02:51:12 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 02:32:56 PM
How is that, any specifics?  I might change my mind.
I though that what the Blue & Gold fund was for.

The Blue & Gold fund also supports the program, but the two are completely different. However, the B&G cannot direct money to retaining players.

Quite simply, if you like what you are seeing and want to keep seeing it with this group of players, donate to BTD.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 03:12:54 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 13, 2023, 02:51:12 PM
The Blue & Gold fund also supports the program, but the two are completely different. However, the B&G cannot direct money to retaining players.

Quite simply, if you like what you are seeing and want to keep seeing it with this group of players, donate to BTD.

So where is Memphis getting their money to allegedly poach Kam. Is it through a non-profit?
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: Tha Hound on March 13, 2023, 03:13:32 PM
There should be a very large, flashing "Donate to the BTD Fund Here" button at the very top of this forum's landing page.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2023, 03:18:04 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 03:12:54 PM
So where is Memphis getting their money to allegedly poach Kam. Is it through a non-profit?

Don't know. And I'll believe all MU will lose Kam or anyone else to poaching as soon as I see somebody poached. I believe we'll have the money (and, yes, the culture) to keep anybody who truly wants to stay.

Chill out, donate to whatever charitable causes you want to donate to, and don't begrudge those who want to do the same.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: panda on March 13, 2023, 03:24:52 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 03:12:54 PM
So where is Memphis getting their money to allegedly poach Kam. Is it through a non-profit?

The University of Memphis and Marquette University have distinctly different mission statements. Putting it plainly, Memphis NIL program does not need to set up any sort of charitable efforts to funnel money to their athletes. Two completely different situations.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 13, 2023, 03:36:02 PM
Quote from: panda on March 13, 2023, 03:24:52 PM
The University of Memphis and Marquette University have distinctly different mission statements. Putting it plainly, Memphis NIL program does not need to set up any sort of charitable efforts to funnel money to their athletes. Two completely different situations.

I suppose you're talking about the theoretical world, but their NIL fund is setup the exact same way:
https://www.901fund.org/post/901-funds-nil-efforts
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: panda on March 13, 2023, 04:10:06 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 13, 2023, 03:36:02 PM
I suppose you're talking about the theoretical world, but their NIL fund is setup the exact same way:
https://www.901fund.org/post/901-funds-nil-efforts

Set out the same. Mission carried out much differently as you can plainly see below.

Bowling With Basketball was a successful event, Memphis Tiger basketball players had a great time meeting Tiger fans. The players got the opportunity to take part in the event as an NIL deal and they spoke to media outlets about the upcoming season.
While at the event, Alex Lomax officially stated that he was back on the Memphis Basketball team for his final year. He talked about his excitement to return the Memphis court and how he has so much pride in wearing "Memphis" across his chest for one last season.

*********

"This is the best thing we can do," MU Men's Basketball player Oso Ighodaro says. "Hang out with the kids, give them some positive influences and it's fun. We're just doing what we love with the kids and it's fun out here."

Also realizing I didn't answer the original posters question correctly. Memphis has big money donors (like Marquette does) but they're going out to get the biggest guys in the portal with that NIL Money. BTD fund is meant to keep players like Kam at the school. Shaka has made it clear he doesn't want to go after the guys in the portal with their hands out.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 13, 2023, 04:10:22 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 03:12:54 PM
So where is Memphis getting their money to allegedly poach Kam. Is it through a non-profit?

Most of it is likely coming from FedEx.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: Mutaman on March 13, 2023, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 10:55:27 AM
So did Chones have a bad relationship with Al when he left for the ABA?

"I looked in his refrigerator and then I looked in my refrigerator"
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: warriorchick on March 13, 2023, 04:27:14 PM
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 13, 2023, 02:02:46 PM
Marcus Lemonis was sitting courtside in MSG with prominent MU administration officials.  I am sure there are things going on behind the scenes to ensure we can support our SA's in order to keep them at MU.

I wonder how many of the guys in our rotation are campers.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 04:32:01 PM
Suckers.  Marquette has  a $1 billion dollar endowment.  I'll support the team by going to games but they are doing quite well financially.  They've got plenty of money.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: wadesworld on March 13, 2023, 04:33:18 PM
I know for volleyball some assistant coaching positions are basically minimum wage jobs to work like 80+ hours a week.  But they get compensated very well overall because they'll be paid off of the summer camps that the programs will run.

Could players eventually get paid for working the MUBB camps?  Or if it can't be from the school they go to, maybe they work local high school camps?
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: warriorchick on March 13, 2023, 04:35:57 PM
Quote from: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 04:32:01 PM
Suckers.  Marquette has  a $1 billion dollar endowment.  I'll support the team by going to games but they are doing quite well financially.  They've got plenty of money.

You obviously have no idea how endowments work.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 04:37:39 PM
They take .001 percent of endowment money from the hedge funds and they've got their athlete money.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 13, 2023, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 04:37:39 PM
They take .001 percent of endowment money from the hedge funds and they've got their athlete money.

You obviously have no idea how NIL works.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: connie on March 13, 2023, 04:38:50 PM
I don't understand the objection.  Don't all of these NIL collectives have to come up with some phony way to transmit the cash to the athlete?  I thought you still couldn't run afoul of "pay to play" so the athlete has to "do" something using their name image or likeness, their "brand" to get the transfer.  If that is to help out a charity instead of a gym or a car dealership, might as well be the charity. I guess my concern that the charity pay be competitive the other options.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 04:42:31 PM
The courts may declare athletes employees soon so direct payment may be coming anyway instead of the facade that's there now.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: lawdog77 on March 13, 2023, 05:03:34 PM
Quote from: warriorchick on March 13, 2023, 04:35:57 PM
You obviously have no idea how endowments work.
He's obviously not well (versed) endowed
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 05:05:30 PM
Ouch.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 13, 2023, 06:21:32 PM
Quote from: panda on March 13, 2023, 04:10:06 PM
Set out the same. Mission carried out much differently as you can plainly see below.

Bowling With Basketball was a successful event, Memphis Tiger basketball players had a great time meeting Tiger fans. The players got the opportunity to take part in the event as an NIL deal and they spoke to media outlets about the upcoming season.
While at the event, Alex Lomax officially stated that he was back on the Memphis Basketball team for his final year. He talked about his excitement to return the Memphis court and how he has so much pride in wearing "Memphis" across his chest for one last season.

That appears to be an event to raise money for the fund - not paid performances by the athletes.  You don't have to like them, but they're doing the exact same thing as Marquette, maybe they're even doing it better..

https://choose901.com/901-fund-bowl-with-memphis-basketball/
QuoteThe event will help raise money to continue supporting Memphis student-athletes in their efforts to promote 901-based charities in receiving exclusive content.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: panda on March 13, 2023, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 13, 2023, 06:21:32 PM
That appears to be an event to raise money for the fund - not paid performances by the athletes.  You don't have to like them, but they're doing the exact same thing as Marquette, maybe they're even doing it better..

https://choose901.com/901-fund-bowl-with-memphis-basketball/

And with lower ethical standards. I'm sorry I can't show my work from the internet.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: Herman Cain on March 13, 2023, 07:02:06 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 01:39:38 PM
...and to pretend that Be the Difference is going make a difference to keep players like Kam here at MU when some Memphis booster with Brink trucks of cash who could care less about serving the community comes calling is also naive. I'm sure the money is going to come from "other sources" to compensate and retain our players. Paying our players to do "charitable work" to serve the community seems quite disingenuous to me, when we are actually paying them to stay at MU.
Here is my experience in the matter. We operate our business in various regional markets where the community goes Ga-Ga over local College Teams. It is seen as a big benefit  to our employees and customers that we are involved with these schools.

When this first started, the Head Coaches , who we originally funded for their charities, told us to give the same dollars directly to players .   Which we did through advertising. Now that the Collectives are in place we just give our dollars to those entities.

We strictly have a commercial relationship with these schools. If it helps the schools retain the players that is their business, I am not a fan of their teams. Business is Business though. These are P5 schools. 

In the early days we did the same thing in the South through funding a NASCAR team. Got us all sorts of employees in our facilities.

Just a different vehicle now.

Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: 79Warrior on March 13, 2023, 07:34:12 PM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 12, 2023, 08:03:48 PM
Consider donating to the Be the Difference collective. For better or worse, NIL is the new norm in college basketball. Marquette found a way to address this reality while still staying in line with it's Jesuit mission and values. The collective is a 501(C)(3) plays players for their work in the community with various non-profits such as the Boys and Girls Club, Sharp Literacy, All in Milwaukee and others.

https://www.bethedifferencenil.org/

Donations of any size help. The reality is, whenever this magical season ends (likely on a Monday in April), the portal is going to open and there's going to be a lot of money being thrown out our guys. Memphis will send three or four brinks trucks to Kam. Oso, Jop, and Stevie are all going to be getting calls from around the country. Donating helps give back to community while also ensuring that we will continue to be the dominant team in the BEast.

Any idea what % of the donations go to the athletes and what % goes to admininstration of the collective?
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: jficke13 on March 13, 2023, 07:42:43 PM
I do wonder how much this is an inflection point in athletics.

I recall Big John Thompson saying something along the lines of "I realized that no blue blood would hire a coach that looked like me, so I realized I had to take a school that would hire me and elevate it into being a blue blood." There's an inertia/path-dependence/first-to-market (however you want to frame it) advantage to basically any endeavor, right? It's easier to be successful at UNC because it's UNC, or at UCLA because you can point to Wooden, or at MU because there's a tradition of excellence. Now it's not determinative by any stretch of the imagination, but it is a factor. I bring these two ideas up because they're in conflict, yet Georgetown rising (let's imagine it did not crater in the last decade-ish) is an example of how despite the weight of past success, an up-and-comer can fight for space at the big kids' table.

But... what if NIL and collectives kinda change that? Imagine the troll above argle bargling about endowment has a point (if not the one he thought he had)? Let's say that it just so happens that the MUscoop organization decides to donate a literal $1B to BeTheDiferenceNIL. That collective suddenly can park its assets in like treasury bills and still throw off enough revenue to pay dudes a ton of money.

What I'm thinking is that if the system maintains some manner of stability (no guarantee), then the first schools to fund the crap out of their NIL collectives will have a massive advantage over every school that doesn't. Then, suddenly, it's a heckuva lot harder to be Big John and transform a have not into a have.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: Mu8891 on March 13, 2023, 07:44:21 PM
There are many ways to support the program and / or MU:

Buy season tickets
Donate to the B / G fund
Donate to the university
And ... donate to the BTD / NIL ...

Etc etc etc

Let's all do our part
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: avid1010 on March 13, 2023, 07:52:54 PM
We need to donate now...to prevent TK from having to do any additional commercials  ;D

   https://youtu.be/IzmyBRobKds  (https://youtu.be/IzmyBRobKds)
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 07:57:57 PM
This NIL donation deal is weak.  It's basically like the lotto now taking from the relative poor to fund athletics.  We were better off when the shoe corporations were paying kids.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 08:01:47 PM
Quote from: connie on March 13, 2023, 04:38:50 PM
I don't understand the objection.  Don't all of these NIL collectives have to come up with some phony way to transmit the cash to the athlete?  I thought you still couldn't run afoul of "pay to play" so the athlete has to "do" something using their name image or likeness, their "brand" to get the transfer.  If that is to help out a charity instead of a gym or a car dealership, might as well be the charity. I guess my concern that the charity pay be competitive the other options.

...and demonstrate that the charities they say they are helping are actually benefitting from the partnership in substantial way with metrics like for example increased donations. Otherwise it is as you say, "a phony way to transfer cash to the players".
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: avid1010 on March 13, 2023, 07:52:54 PM
We need to donate now...to prevent TK from having to do any additional commercials  ;D

   https://youtu.be/IzmyBRobKds  (https://youtu.be/IzmyBRobKds)

Can you imagine if it was SVB.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2023, 08:04:29 PM
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 13, 2023, 07:34:12 PM
Any idea what % of the donations go to the athletes and what % goes to admininstration of the collective?

...or the charities.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 13, 2023, 07:34:12 PM
Any idea what % of the donations go to the athletes and what % goes to admininstration of the collective?

My understanding is less than 10%
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: forgetful on March 13, 2023, 08:10:41 PM
Quote from: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 04:32:01 PM
Suckers.  Marquette has  a $1 billion dollar endowment.  I'll support the team by going to games but they are doing quite well financially.  They've got plenty of money.

As others have said, you don't understand how endowments work.

Also, Marquette's is quite small compared to peer institutions (~$700M). Even tiny schools like Grinnell in Iowa have $2B+, the badgers have $3B+, and even the Medical College of Wisconsin is nearly double MU's.

Some schools do capital campaigns where in one campaign they raise more than double MU's endowment.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 08:13:58 PM
Put a corporate "Amazon" patch on our uniforms and get our athlete money.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: PointWarrior on March 13, 2023, 08:22:37 PM
Quote from: panda on March 13, 2023, 11:37:08 AM
FWIW - Memphis is going to back up the brinks truck for Kam this off season. They need someone to replace Kendrick and want to bring back the home town kid. Donate, donate, donate !


You know this how?
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2023, 08:23:07 PM
Quote from: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 08:13:58 PM
Put a corporate "Amazon" patch on our uniforms and get our athlete money.

Again, not how it works.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 08:24:30 PM
Take from the people not the billion dollar universities or corporations.  Sounds like a great deal.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 13, 2023, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 08:24:30 PM
Take from the people not the billion dollar universities or corporations.  Sounds like a great deal.

Then don't donate? Nobody is forcing you to
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 08:29:25 PM
I won't and I implore others not to as well.  But you're right.  To each his own that's your right.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2023, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 08:24:30 PM
Take from the people not the billion dollar universities or corporations.  Sounds like a great deal.

It's a voluntary transaction - and only one ne aspect of NIL. If you don't want to support it, then don't.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 08:31:13 PM
I'll still go to the games though. :)
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 13, 2023, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 08:29:25 PM
I won't and I implore others not to as well.  But you're right.  To each his own that's your right.

Oh I'm not donating either, Marquette has enough of my money, lol.

But it's just the modern landscape of recruiting and these are the thi by s that have to be done to stay competitive.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: oilcan on March 13, 2023, 08:43:08 PM
What the hell is going on here? Fundraisers? NIL $$$ The players on this team made decisions to come here. Some were easier than others as is understandable. Players are offered scholarships. Do I go here, do I go there? These players were committed to Marquette. They weren't offered briefcases full of money. They are playing for the experience of high level bb. Period. They will be back next year to develop even more and be final four team next year. No body needs to hand any of them an envelope. I see character and commitment. Trust, and you shall be rewarded.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 13, 2023, 08:45:03 PM
Quote from: oilcan on March 13, 2023, 08:43:08 PM
What the hell is going on here? Fundraisers? NIL $$$ The players on this team made decisions to come here. Some were easier than others as is understandable. Players are offered scholarships. Do I go here, do I go there? These players were committed to Marquette. They weren't offered briefcases full of money. They are playing for the experience of high level bb. Period. They will be back next year to develop even more and be final four team next year. No body needs to hand any of them an envelope. I see character and commitment. Trust, and you shall be rewarded.

Money talks
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: MUBurrow on March 13, 2023, 08:47:50 PM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2023, 08:06:03 PM
My understanding is less than 10%

That's interesting. I wonder if that number will be a separate line item on the public financials. I assume not and the salaries for athletes and non-athletes will just be rolled together.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: oilcan on March 13, 2023, 08:48:17 PM
If I remember it right, Jim Chones came to McGuire and said I'm leaving. And Al said he should give it another year and develop and Jim said I need to go for the money. My family has no food in the fridge. And Al said you go. You're already good enough.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: Nukem2 on March 13, 2023, 08:50:51 PM
Quote from: oilcan on March 13, 2023, 08:48:17 PM
If I remember it right, Jim Chones came to McGuire and said I'm leaving. And Al said he should give it another year and develop and Jim said I need to go for the money. My family has no food in the fridge. And Al said you go. You're already good enough.
Think you have that backward.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: warriorchick on March 13, 2023, 08:54:36 PM
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 13, 2023, 07:34:12 PM
Any idea what % of the donations go to the athletes and what % goes to admininstration of the collective?

Administrative costs are going to be high in the first few years just like any other startup enterprise. You probably won't get a real idea of the true percentage for awhile.

Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: FartyEightHours on March 13, 2023, 08:58:56 PM
Should just set up a GOFundme.  I think they only take 3%.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: MUBurrow on March 13, 2023, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: warriorchick on March 13, 2023, 08:54:36 PM
Administrative costs are going to be high in the first few years just like any other startup enterprise. You probably won't get a real idea of the true percentage for awhile.

But the $ paid to the athletes is always technically an administrative cost right?  I'm not trying to be obtuse, but there is a bit of an inherent tension in creating a 501(c)(3) for the purpose of paying that org's employees. Like how does the collective determine how much is paid to each athlete? Is it at the same rate/hr? Any differences would have to be tied to that athlete's role in furthering the collective's charitable purpose, irrespective of his or her value on the NIL market as an athlete, correct?
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 14, 2023, 03:26:36 AM
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 13, 2023, 09:02:41 PM
But the $ paid to the athletes is always technically an administrative cost right?  I'm not trying to be obtuse, but there is a bit of an inherent tension in creating a 501(c)(3) for the purpose of paying that org's employees. Like how does the collective determine how much is paid to each athlete? Is it at the same rate/hr? Any differences would have to be tied to that athlete's role in furthering the collective's charitable purpose, irrespective of his or her value on the NIL market as an athlete, correct?


They may classify the payments to athletes as a program expense versus an administrative one. For instance, compensation paid to faculty members is likely classified that way on Marquette's 990.
Title: Re: Best Way to Support the Program?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 14, 2023, 05:48:39 AM
Quote from: oilcan on March 13, 2023, 08:43:08 PM
What the hell is going on here? Fundraisers? NIL $$$ The players on this team made decisions to come here. Some were easier than others as is understandable. Players are offered scholarships. Do I go here, do I go there? These players were committed to Marquette. They weren't offered briefcases full of money. They are playing for the experience of high level bb. Period. They will be back next year to develop even more and be final four team next year. No body needs to hand any of them an envelope. I see character and commitment. Trust, and you shall be rewarded.

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