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Title: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Warrior of Law on February 27, 2023, 10:31:40 AM
If MU is at Columbus or Des Moines, preferably, I'd like to road trip for a game.  For anyone who can predict these outcomes (i.e., locations for 1st/2nd round games), what variables should I be watching over the next 13 days?  As it stands, there is a 25% chance they'd be in Ohio or Iowa. :)
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 27, 2023, 10:52:52 AM
Book a cancelable hotel in both locations now, worry about it later :)
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Miss Katie’s on February 27, 2023, 11:16:56 AM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 27, 2023, 10:52:52 AM
Book a cancelable hotel in both locations now, worry about it later :)

+1.  No harm in having bookings made you can cancel later.   

And read this:

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2023/02/march-travel-plans.html?m=1
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 27, 2023, 11:24:49 AM
Just know the NCAA have hold blocks on rooms that will be released once the brackets are released.  Teams are assigned to host hotels by seeding.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: HowardsWorld on February 27, 2023, 11:27:04 AM
Ill be down in Pompano Beach, Fl for the first two rounds. Im hoping they go there although I don't see that happening
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: wiscwarrior on February 27, 2023, 11:34:12 AM
Was in Pompano Beach for MU's entire NCAA championship run in '77 Maybe you should just stay.  ;)
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: i71_dawg on February 27, 2023, 02:43:00 PM
If MU gets a 3 seed, there's a very good chance it's gonna be Columbus (see Cracked Sidewalks breakdown of that linked above).
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: real chili 83 on February 27, 2023, 03:17:23 PM
Which location do people PREFER?

For me, Des Moines (I've only said that 20 times).

It's not a bad town at all, by any means.  It's no Milwaukee, but you can find lots to do there.  I heard Columbus is decent too.

Des Moines makes most sense, due to location.  For Chicago and for that matter, Milwaukee, and Mpls, it's an easy peasy drive.  If I'm not mistaken, that's our 3 largest alumni bases.

Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: MUfan12 on February 27, 2023, 03:26:38 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 27, 2023, 10:52:52 AM
Book a cancelable hotel in both locations now, worry about it later :)

Family connections would take me to Des Moines if they somehow sneak in there. Booked the room today.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Jay Bee on February 27, 2023, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 27, 2023, 03:26:38 PM
Family connections would take me to Des Moines if they somehow sneak in there. Booked the room today.

Why not stay w family?
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 27, 2023, 03:44:44 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 27, 2023, 03:17:23 PM
Which location do people PREFER?

For me, Des Moines (I've only said that 20 times).

It's not a bad town at all, by any means.  It's no Milwaukee, but you can find lots to do there.  I heard Columbus is decent too.

Des Moines makes most sense, due to location.  For Chicago and for that matter, Milwaukee, and Mpls, it's an easy peasy drive.  If I'm not mistaken, that's our 3 largest alumni bases.

Columbus
I visited for work recently and I had no idea what to expect and it was much more interesting than expected.  German Village and The Brewery District with the brick roads.  Walked around by the capitol building and 2 blocks from the capitol I found intriguing that they tore down a mall and built a New England Style Green and named it Columbus Commons.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: pbiflyer on February 27, 2023, 04:32:36 PM
Yeah, that area is nice, a food market close by. I like wolfs ridge brewing. Pins Mechanical is an upscale Kozs.
Parlay Sporting Club is a good sports bar with nice staff, though turns into a nightclub at night..
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: mu_eyeballs on February 27, 2023, 06:19:00 PM
I went to OSU after MU and stayed.  Columbus has grown tremendously over the last 25 years.  The Downtown and near downtown area really had nothing when I moved here...but since Nationwide Arena opened it spurned development from downtown to OSU Campus.  Now all three pro-sports have stadiums in the area and it continues to grow. 
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: i71_dawg on February 27, 2023, 07:24:19 PM
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on February 27, 2023, 06:19:00 PM
I went to OSU after MU and stayed.  Columbus has grown tremendously over the last 25 years.  The Downtown and near downtown area really had nothing when I moved here...but since Nationwide Arena opened it spurned development from downtown to OSU Campus.  Now all three pro-sports have stadiums in the area and it continues to grow.

Yeah Columbus is one of the few Northern/ Midwest/Rust belt cities that is really growing & building....companies have headed there....people with money have headed there....young, highly educated Ohioans flock there.

Cool city....would think that location could pull in many MU alums in Ohio, Michigan, PA, Indiana....and not too far a drive from Chicago and Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: real chili 83 on February 27, 2023, 07:38:33 PM
Columbus is doable, but a bit more of a haul from Chicago and Milwaukee.

Do we have to call it The Columbus?

Sounds like a great town.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: We R Final Four on February 27, 2023, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 27, 2023, 07:38:33 PM
Columbus is doable, but a bit more of a haul from Chicago and Milwaukee.

Do we have to call it The Columbus?

Sounds like a great town.
C-Bus
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 27, 2023, 07:55:50 PM
either city has got to have a nice homeless encampment, chaz or cities of love or whatever they call em now
   bring your own spaghetti'Os and little dogs or baked beans with that little piece of fat in it. 
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: cheebs09 on February 27, 2023, 08:06:05 PM
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 27, 2023, 07:55:50 PM
either city has got to have a nice homeless encampment, chaz or cities of love or whatever they call em now
   bring your own spaghetti'Os and little dogs or baked beans with that little piece of fat in it.
(https://gifdb.com/images/high/little-girl-saying-huh-t464zpt0cxrm4x5x.gif)
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: wadesworld on February 27, 2023, 08:24:14 PM
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 27, 2023, 08:06:05 PM
(https://gifdb.com/images/high/little-girl-saying-huh-t464zpt0cxrm4x5x.gif)

Lol. So good.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 27, 2023, 08:54:12 PM
She's probably going to need braces
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: wadesworld on February 27, 2023, 08:57:05 PM
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 27, 2023, 08:54:12 PM
She's probably going to need braces

She certainly won't be going to you.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 27, 2023, 09:00:06 PM
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 27, 2023, 07:55:50 PM
either city has got to have a nice homeless encampment, chaz or cities of love or whatever they call em now
   bring your own spaghetti'Os and little dogs or baked beans with that little piece of fat in it.
Does anybody care to translate this into English?
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: pbiflyer on February 28, 2023, 12:28:43 PM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 27, 2023, 09:00:06 PM
Does anybody care to translate this into English?

Meth is a helluva drug.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Coleman on February 28, 2023, 01:00:33 PM
Buddy got into his own supply of nitrous
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 28, 2023, 04:02:54 PM
The Seinfeld Anti-dentite episode makes more and more sense everyday.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: dgies9156 on February 28, 2023, 04:06:23 PM
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 27, 2023, 03:17:23 PM
Which location do people PREFER?

For me, Des Moines (I've only said that 20 times).

It's not a bad town at all, by any means.  It's no Milwaukee, but you can find lots to do there.  I heard Columbus is decent too.

Des Moines makes most sense, due to location.  For Chicago and for that matter, Milwaukee, and Mpls, it's an easy peasy drive.  If I'm not mistaken, that's our 3 largest alumni bases.

Orlando.

92 minutes from my house.

Nice area, good access to the arena.

Something for the out of towners to do between games!
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: pbiflyer on February 28, 2023, 04:14:04 PM
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 28, 2023, 04:06:23 PM
Orlando.

92 minutes from my house.

Nice area, good access to the arena.

Something for the out of towners to do between games!

Two hours from mine. Sadly if we get placed there, UCF daughter will be on spring break and we leave that Saturday for sons's spring break, so I would only get to see one game. But I'd take that in a heartbeat!
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: i71_dawg on March 01, 2023, 10:20:43 AM
Lunardi's latest update yesterday morning now has MU playing as a 3-seed in Albany.

That's certainly not one of the top preferred destinations for us.

I don't know the reason for his change, but he has Gonzaga also as a 3 playing in Columbus (along with Purdue's pod).

He has Kansas & Kansas State heading up the 2 pods in Des Moines
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 01, 2023, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: i71_dawg on March 01, 2023, 10:20:43 AM
Lunardi's latest update yesterday morning now has MU playing as a 3-seed in Albany.

That's certainly not one of the top preferred destinations for us.

I don't know the reason for his change, but he has Gonzaga also as a 3 playing in Columbus (along with Purdue's pod).

He has Kansas & Kansas State heading up the 2 pods in Des Moines

Lunardi is pretty infamously poor at bracketology. My understanding is he had one year like 15yrs back where he did really well and has cashed in on it ever since.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: dgies9156 on March 01, 2023, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 01, 2023, 10:25:45 AM
Lunardi is pretty infamously poor at bracketology. My understanding is he had one year like 15yrs back where he did really well and has cashed in on it ever since.

If we are going to Albany, why not Denver? They are roughly the same distance and Denver is a heck of a lot easier for our fan base to get to than Albany?

Or Birmingham for that matter?
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: CountryRoads on March 01, 2023, 11:16:17 AM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 01, 2023, 10:25:45 AM
Lunardi is pretty infamously poor at bracketology. My understanding is he had one year like 15yrs back where he did really well and has cashed in on it ever since.

He's become obsolete. When he was first becoming popular, his main claim to fame was picking all the teams that were included. I've put in 0 minutes and I think on Selection Sunday I could pick a minimum of 65 teams right (missing 3 of them). Picking the teams isn't impressive and it's a bit lucky for those last few. The real challenge is getting the seeds and locations right. That's where he falls off relative to others.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: MUMountin on March 01, 2023, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 01, 2023, 11:02:19 AM
If we are going to Albany, why not Denver? They are roughly the same distance and Denver is a heck of a lot easier for our fan base to get to than Albany?

Or Birmingham for that matter?

Since Alabama and Houston are both almost assuredly ahead of us in seeding, they (and their first/second round pairings) are likely to be placed in B'ham as their top geographic preference.

Albany is, I believe, technically closer to Milwaukee than Denver.  It is also in Big East territory (roughly), so the committee may consider that a more natural preference while leaving Denver available as a site for some of the Big 12 teams.  Which is a bummer, b/c I'd love to have them here in Colorado! 
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: brewcity77 on March 01, 2023, 11:48:17 AM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 01, 2023, 10:25:45 AM
Lunardi is pretty infamously poor at bracketology. My understanding is he had one year like 15yrs back where he did really well and has cashed in on it ever since.

He was the first person doing it publicly and has been doing ESPN for about that long. Everyone else doing it now is following in his footsteps, but he's not nearly as accurate as he once was. He's better than Palm at CBS, but not great. In terms of Marquette v Gonzaga for Columbus, here is where the schools stand:

Marquette
1. Des Moines (373 miles)
2. Columbus (452)
3. Birmingham (760)
4. Greensboro (831)
5. Albany (911)

Gonzaga
1. Sacramento (822)
2. Denver (1,090)
3. Des Moines (1,479)
4. Columbus (2,141)
5. Birmingham (2,240)


If both are on the 3-line, it's safe to assume that Birmingham will be closed (Alabama and Houston). Sacramento will also likely be closed (UCLA and Arizona). On the one-line, Des Moines will take Kansas and Columbus will take Purdue. So that's six of the 1/2 seeds accounted for.

In terms of teams in the mix right now, you have Texas, Baylor, Kansas State, and Tennessee are the other teams fighting with Marquette and Gonzaga. If Texas, Baylor, and K-State are all ahead of Marquette and Gonzaga, Baylor or K-State would go to Des Moines (closing it) and the other two would go to Denver.

So at this point, Birmingham, Sacramento, Des Moines, and Denver are all closed, while Columbus has one spot left. The closest spot left for Tennessee is Greensboro, so no matter what, that's where they would be expected to go if they're competing with Marquette and Gonzaga.

If Gonzaga is ahead on the S-Curve, I could see them getting Columbus, but if so, that would likely kick Marquette to Greensboro with Tennessee instead of Albany. It's possible they would consider the Big East presence in New York state, but proximity should be the guiding line once you get past a team's first choice venue (which is really only guaranteed for the top overall seed).

I also think with Marquette adding the Creighton win, the outright Big East title, and no losses outside Q1+2, MU gets the edge over Gonzaga. If I had to book tickets for one spot right now, it would be Columbus. It's certainly not guaranteed, but if you are sending Gonzaga 2,000+ miles away, what's the difference between any of the sites at that point?
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: oldwarrior81 on March 01, 2023, 12:14:12 PM
Arizona is about equal distance from Denver as it is from Sacramento.

I could see them in Denver and Gonzaga being a 3 in Sacramento.
Either way, I think Gonzaga/Arizona may fill both the Sacramento & Denver pods.

A guess would be that a Big 12 team (K-State, Texas, Baylor) is the second team in Denver.   Possibly both spots in Denver are taken by Big 12 teams.  Which requires the lower of Arizona/Gonzaga to move east.

Unless K-State finishes above Marquette, I'd find it surprising they get Des Moines.  Don't most projections have them both as 3-seeds?
K-State is about 320 miles from Des Moines, less than 500 from Denver.
I'm pretty sure K-State is the closest in mileage to Denver, then any of the projected top 20 teams.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Jay Bee on March 01, 2023, 12:22:51 PM
Who has booked Houston already??
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: pbiflyer on March 01, 2023, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: i71_dawg on March 01, 2023, 10:20:43 AM
Lunardi's latest update yesterday morning now has MU playing as a 3-seed in Albany.

That's certainly not one of the top preferred destinations for us.

I don't know the reason for his change, but he has Gonzaga also as a 3 playing in Columbus (along with Purdue's pod).

He has Kansas & Kansas State heading up the 2 pods in Des Moines


OOF, Albany has little redeeming qualities. City Beer Hall has good beer selection, not good food. TheHollow has good food, minimal TVs for watching basketball.
And there is, um, a great, a, well, decent, um okay, interesting, actually no real redeeming aspect of Albany.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 01, 2023, 12:42:07 PM
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on March 01, 2023, 12:14:12 PM
Arizona is about equal distance from Denver as it is from Sacramento.

I could see them in Denver and Gonzaga being a 3 in Sacramento.
Either way, I think Gonzaga/Arizona may fill both the Sacramento & Denver pods.

A guess would be that a Big 12 team (K-State, Texas, Baylor) is the second team in Denver.   Possibly both spots in Denver are taken by Big 12 teams.  Which requires the lower of Arizona/Gonzaga to move east.

Unless K-State finishes above Marquette, I'd find it surprising they get Des Moines.  Don't most projections have them both as 3-seeds?
K-State is about 320 miles from Des Moines, less than 500 from Denver.
I'm pretty sure K-State is the closest in mileage to Denver, then any of the projected top 20 teams.

The problem with putting Arizona in Denver is that displaced a Big 12 school.

Kansas will be in Des Moines.  The trio of Texas, Baylor, and Kansas State take the 2nd Des Moines spot and both Denver spots.

If the committee puts Gonzaga in Sacramento, pushing Arizona to Denver, that displaces a Big 12 school who probably ends up in Columbus.  That pushes Marquette to either Greensboro or Albany.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: brewcity77 on March 01, 2023, 02:49:44 PM
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on March 01, 2023, 12:14:12 PM
Arizona is about equal distance from Denver as it is from Sacramento.

I could see them in Denver and Gonzaga being a 3 in Sacramento.
Either way, I think Gonzaga/Arizona may fill both the Sacramento & Denver pods.

A guess would be that a Big 12 team (K-State, Texas, Baylor) is the second team in Denver.   Possibly both spots in Denver are taken by Big 12 teams.  Which requires the lower of Arizona/Gonzaga to move east.

Unless K-State finishes above Marquette, I'd find it surprising they get Des Moines.  Don't most projections have them both as 3-seeds?
K-State is about 320 miles from Des Moines, less than 500 from Denver.
I'm pretty sure K-State is the closest in mileage to Denver, then any of the projected top 20 teams.

The Selection Committee can do what they choose, but if they follow their general guidelines, they go by closest to the school that is up on the curve. So if they get to Arizona and both Sacramento (873) and Denver (896) are open, they should get Sacramento. If they get to K-State and both Des Moines (314) and Denver (494) are open, they should get Des Moines. There might be a little more nuance with the Arizona or Texas (916 to Denver, 926 to Des Moines) types, but I really think Birmingham closing early will push a Big 12 2-seed to Des Moines with Kansas, leaving us in Columbus. The math strongly favors it.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: wisblue on March 01, 2023, 05:13:55 PM
The video on the NCAA site covering how teams are placed from the seed list to the bracket suggests that the software they use assigns a team to the closest available location based purely on mileage from the school's campus to the game site. But, I would  think that the Committee might tinker with that if moving one team a little farther from home would allow another team to be much closer to its home.

That's my small ray of hope that if MU doesn't get assigned to Columbus it might get sent to Orlando instead of Albany.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 01, 2023, 07:14:37 PM
It depends on the S-Curve.  Let's use Bracket Matrix for a practice bracketing.

1. Alabama to Birmingham
2. Houston to Birmingham

***Birmingham is full.***

3. Purdue to Columbus
4. Kansas to Des Moines
5. UCLA to Sacramento
6. Texas to Des Moines
7. Baylor to Denver

The of the two seeds to this point doesn't matter a ton.  UCLA is the first team sent to Sacramento.  Texas and Baylor could be flipped on the S-Curve, but one of them is going to Ames and the other to Denver.

***Des Moines is full***

8. Arizona to Sacramento
9. Kansas State to Denver
10. Marquette to Columbus
11. Tennessee to Greensboro
12. Gonzaga to ???

Gonzaga gets the short end of the stick as because they are 12th on the S-Curve.

Another possibility if we change the order:

8. Arizona to Sacramento
9. Gonzaga to Denver
10. Kansas State to Columbus
11.  Marquette to Greensboro
12.  Tennessee to Greensboro

The change in the S-Curve creates a domino effect that changes where teams are placed.  It's not just seed, but also S-curve position that influences site assignments.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 01, 2023, 07:15:54 PM
Assuming you mean Des Moines and not Ames.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 01, 2023, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 01, 2023, 07:15:54 PM
Assuming you mean Des Moines and not Ames.

Correct. I will edit.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 01, 2023, 07:52:30 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 01, 2023, 07:15:54 PM
Assuming you mean Des Moines and not Ames.

It's Iowa, it's Iowa
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Newsdreams on March 02, 2023, 06:46:18 PM
There is no way we go to DesMoines, MU West court is only 38 miles away.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: MU82 on March 02, 2023, 07:10:33 PM
I'd obviously love Greensboro, but that wouldn't be the greatest for most of Marquette's fan base. Agree with those pulling for Columbus; neat city, good venue and reasonable distance.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: tower912 on March 02, 2023, 07:16:56 PM
Party at mu82's house if MU is in Greensboro!  Sleepover?
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: MU82 on March 02, 2023, 10:24:49 PM
Quote from: tower912 on March 02, 2023, 07:16:56 PM
Party at mu82's house if MU is in Greensboro!  Sleepover?

I live about 1 1/2 hours from Greensboro ... but sure, for those who'd actually want to make the trip, we might be able to swing a between-games party. Even Southerners dig my pimento cheese dip, y'all!
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 03, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
Quote from: MU82 on March 02, 2023, 10:24:49 PM
I live about 1 1/2 hours from Greensboro ... but sure, for those who'd actually want to make the trip, we might be able to swing a between-games party. Even Southerners dig my pimento cheese dip, y'all!

I'll bring the St. Patrick's holiday lights.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: MU82 on March 03, 2023, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 03, 2023, 08:52:02 AM
I'll bring the St. Patrick's holiday lights.

Nice!
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: tower912 on March 03, 2023, 09:48:58 AM
I will just mooch and snore.  And try to find a tee time on  the in between days.
Title: Re: Opening weekend of NCAA location question
Post by: MU82 on March 03, 2023, 10:00:25 AM
Quote from: tower912 on March 03, 2023, 09:48:58 AM
I will just mooch and snore.  And try to find a tee time on  the in between days.

Sorry, but all Charlotte-area golf courses had to close after I took out too many divots.
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