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Candidly, I'm with Option 2. Assuming we win out in the regular season, I think the rest and practice is more important than the tournament. We've proved our worth through the season, which really matters.

I know I'm in a minority here! Yes, I always love Marquette winning and HATE losing with a passion. But I'd rather rack up two first round wins and make the Sweet 16 (and win there) then be totally exhausted after a Tough Big East tournament!

Win. Always win. Go into the NCAA on a roll and one of the hottest teams in the tournament. 

I would love for Marquette to play in the Championship game Saturday. I don't recall them ever making it that far in the tournament. The thing that kind of works in our favor is that after our first round game we will most likely match up with Uconn so it will either be a resume building win or a loss that lets us get rest that wont impact our seeding at all. If we make it to the Championship we will more than likely play Xavier/Providence who we match up extremely well with.

Its a horse a piece honestly but the kids are young and 1 extra day or rest shouldn't dictate whether we lose or not in the first or second round.

There is no finish line, aina?

Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 24, 2023, 12:12:18 PM
I would love for Marquette to play in the Championship game Saturday. I don't recall them ever making it that far in the tournament. The thing that kind of works in our favor is that after our first round game we will most likely match up with Uconn so it will either be a resume building win or a loss that lets us get rest that wont impact our seeding at all. If we make it to the Championship we will more than likely play Xavier/Providence who we match up extremely well with.

Its a horse a piece honestly but the kids are young and 1 extra day or rest shouldn't dictate whether we lose or not in the first or second round.

Whoa, that phrase brings me back. Haven't heard it since I left the Heartland. Good times slamming leather cups on the bar.

BTW I agree with this analysis

Quote from: Hoops92 on February 24, 2023, 12:11:20 PM
Win. Always win. Go into the NCAA on a roll and one of the hottest teams in the tournament.

Yup. Play as many good games as you can and build momentum. If we play well and lose a heartbreaker, then go focus on the NCAAT.

You always want to win. BET tournament championship is on Saturday. The earliest the guys will play is Thursday. They will be absolutely fine.

Rest is a consolation prize for losers, not a goal.

If Marquette wants to be the new Villanova, winning the BET is part of the equation. They have frequently followed up BET titles with deep NCAA runs.

Plus, it would be nice to give Dodds a ready made excuse if MU doesn't win the NCAA title.

They still get a minimum of four days between games if they make it to Saturday. Give me more high pressure games and situations for the team to play through every time.

I could see a team making it to Saturday being at a disadvantage if they had to play Tuesday in the first four. In MU's case it shouldn't affect them. Four days off is enough to recharge the body at almost any age.

Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 24, 2023, 12:12:18 PM
I would love for Marquette to play in the Championship game Saturday. I don't recall them ever making it that far in the tournament. The thing that kind of works in our favor is that after our first round game we will most likely match up with Uconn so it will either be a resume building win or a loss that lets us get rest that wont impact our seeding at all. If we make it to the Championship we will more than likely play Xavier/Providence who we match up extremely well with.

Its a horse a piece honestly but the kids are young and 1 extra day or rest shouldn't dictate whether we lose or not in the first or second round.

Not impressed with Creighton? Depth could be an issue.

Two of the most annoying phrases in CBB:

"I would rather be under the radar"

"I would rather lose in the conference tournament so we can rest"

Me, I would prefer to be in the Top 10 and on the radar and make it to the conference championships like all the other blue bloods do.

Quote from: StillWarriors on February 24, 2023, 12:44:07 PM
Not impressed with Creighton? Depth could be an issue.

I very much am impressed however without them winning out in the big east they will be in the 4/5 matchup with Uconn and I think Uconn beats them. Either way my point was that if we advance past the 1st round and play uconn/Creighton its not going to hurt any if we lose and only helps build a case for a 2 seed with a win.

I fully believe Marquette, Creighton and Uconn could be in the final four. I believe that MU, Creighton, Xavier and Uconn will all be in the sweet 16.

I'd like to be like Nova in 18, win the BET and the NCAAs, although I'd settle for Nova in 16, when the lost the BET and won the NCAAs, and I suppose I'd settle for last years Nova winning the BET and making the final 4. If we act like 15 Nova, winning the BET and losing in the round of 32, FIRE EVERYONE UNACCEPTABLE. But I guess they did win it all in 16, so maybe I would be patient in that nightmare scenario.

Anyway, I'd like it if my basketball team just won all the games, even if it meant that they would have to play more basketball games.

They really need to win the damn BET this year so I stop seeing all this loser mentality of "maybe it's good we never do squat in the BET, actually."

I'll settle for any of Nova 2009, 2016, 2018, or 2022

Option 3: Forfeit first BET game and rest. Why risk an injury.

Quote from: StillWarriors on February 24, 2023, 12:44:07 PM
Not impressed with Creighton? Depth could be an issue.

Depth is overrated. Our last two games we've only gone seven deep too. That's what we'll end up doing in tight games for the rest of the season.

If we clinch the outright title at Butler, will the 5 starter's get the the final game off?

I'd hope not. This ain't the pros. Everyone will gladly drop us a seed line if we lose at home to St. Johns.

Quote from: lawdog77 on February 24, 2023, 01:02:22 PM
If we clinch the outright title at Butler, will the 5 starter's get the the final game off?

Not a chance this is not the NBA

Quote from: lawdog77 on February 24, 2023, 01:02:22 PM
If we clinch the outright title at Butler, will the 5 starter's get the the final game off?

No.

Win.  They are young and don't need rest.

I didn't think I needed teal

Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 24, 2023, 12:53:35 PM
I very much am impressed however without them winning out in the big east they will be in the 4/5 matchup with Uconn and I think Uconn beats them. Either way my point was that if we advance past the 1st round and play uconn/Creighton its not going to hurt any if we lose and only helps build a case for a 2 seed with a win.

I fully believe Marquette, Creighton and Uconn could be in the final four. I believe that MU, Creighton, Xavier and Uconn will all be in the sweet 16.

Creighton winning out is a decent possibility and probably rides on their game with Villanova tomorrow. They will be heavy favorites in their last two against Georgetown and DePaul.

If MU gets the 1 seed in the BET and wins their first game (likely against SJU on their second home court) I agree that UConn would be their most likely opponent in the semifinals. But, UConn will have a battle in the first round, whether it's against Xavier, Providence, or Creighton.

Quote from: lawdog77 on February 24, 2023, 01:20:08 PM
I didn't think I needed teal

When is dgies9156 going to say the same about the entire thread/poll?

Last year's Final Four teams: Duke played in the ACC tourney title game, UNC in the ACC tourney semis, Nova in the Big East tourney title, Kansas in the Big Twelve tourney title.

There's 4 days minimum off.  These are college kids and the top 0.1% of the world in terms of their conditioning.  Anyone who says they'd rather we lose Thursday to get extra rest is just rationalizing a loss before it happens.

Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 24, 2023, 12:53:35 PM
I very much am impressed however without them winning out in the big east they will be in the 4/5 matchup with Uconn and I think Uconn beats them. Either way my point was that if we advance past the 1st round and play uconn/Creighton its not going to hurt any if we lose and only helps build a case for a 2 seed with a win.

I fully believe Marquette, Creighton and Uconn could be in the final four. I believe that MU, Creighton, Xavier and Uconn will all be in the sweet 16.

Got it. I was thinking Creighton will be on the other side of the bracket. However it shakes out, should be a great tourney.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2023, 01:52:37 PM
Last year's Final Four teams: Duke played in the ACC tourney title game, UNC in the ACC tourney semis, Nova in the Big East tourney title, Kansas in the Big Twelve tourney title.

There's 4 days minimum off.  These are college kids and the top 0.1% of the world in terms of their conditioning.  Anyone who says they'd rather we lose Thursday to get extra rest is just rationalizing a loss before it happens.

You mean kids who grew up in aau culture playing 4/5 games in a weekend are actually used to playing 3 games in three days ?

Quote from: panda on February 24, 2023, 01:55:19 PM
You mean kids who grew up in aau culture playing 4/5 games in a weekend are actually used to playing 3 games in three days ?

What about class work?

Intriguing answers. I've seen commentators -- as well as some coaches and players -- express concern over intense tournaments that sap the energy of a team for the NCAA.

I get what most of you have said. I want to win as much as any of you do and this is not an issue for which I admit that I lose much sleep. But, I also come from an era where Marquette was a Major Independent and conference championships -- and conference tournament championships -- don't mean a whole lot. It's about how far you go in the NCAAs and whether you get to cut the net down in the NCAA along the way.

Look, I'm also the guy that during the Wojo years wanted us to turn down NIT bids. As in the Not Invited Tournament. That one died hard too!  ;D

Losing early in the Big East Tournament and having all that extra energy did nothing for last year's NCAA team, or either of Wojo's tourney teams.

Feel better about winning it and securing a 15-seed opponent in the first round.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2023, 01:52:37 PM
Last year's Final Four teams: Duke played in the ACC tourney title game, UNC in the ACC tourney semis, Nova in the Big East tourney title, Kansas in the Big Twelve tourney title.

There's 4 days minimum off.  These are college kids and the top 0.1% of the world in terms of their conditioning.  Anyone who says they'd rather we lose Thursday to get extra rest is just rationalizing a loss before it happens.

I would like to change my vote.

I peeked at Dodds site to confirm that he is advocating for a first round loss.

He was convinced by 2003 that that is the way to go.

Typical example of using one example to make a point while ignoring the many others that refute it.

In 2003 MU sat for a week after an early conference tournament exit and then struggled for about 38 minutes before shaking Holy Cross. Maybe they were rusty from so much inactivity.

If anything changes seeding wise and we can move to a 2, getting to Saturday helps. And being a 2 is definitely preferable in terms of getting to the second weekend. And let's be honest, if we're going to play Saturday, might as well win the whole thing.

I think it is a bigger accomplishment to win the Big East regular season conference title than the Bug East tournament.   Let's do well i the NCAA tourney!

I want them to play as many games as they can and win as many as possible.   One loss and in the ncaa tournament and its all over.  Lets have as much fun as we can now

Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2023, 01:52:37 PM
Last year's Final Four teams: Duke played in the ACC tourney title game, UNC in the ACC tourney semis, Nova in the Big East tourney title, Kansas in the Big Twelve tourney title.

There's 4 days minimum off.  These are college kids and the top 0.1% of the world in terms of their conditioning.  Anyone who says they'd rather we lose Thursday to get extra rest is just rationalizing a loss before it happens.

I agree with this analysis.

Quote from: dgies9156 on February 24, 2023, 02:43:11 PM
Intriguing answers. I've seen commentators -- as well as some coaches and players -- express concern over intense tournaments that sap the energy of a team for the NCAA.

I get what most of you have said. I want to win as much as any of you do and this is not an issue for which I admit that I lose much sleep. But, I also come from an era where Marquette was a Major Independent and conference championships -- and conference tournament championships -- don't mean a whole lot. It's about how far you go in the NCAAs and whether you get to cut the net down in the NCAA along the way.

Look, I'm also the guy that during the Wojo years wanted us to turn down NIT bids. As in the Not Invited Tournament. That one died hard too!  ;D

I come from an era where Marquette was a major independent and for most teams in conferences, winning the conference championship was a big deal and was necessary 
to get into the NCAA tournament. For most of that time the ACC was the only conference that used a conference tournament to determine its NCAA representative.

Back then, people didn't look at the regular season as just 3 months of practice games to get ready for the big show.

Long layoffs are bad.  They would have several days off before the first NCAA game.  Stay sharp and stay hot.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2023, 01:52:37 PM
Last year's Final Four teams: Duke played in the ACC tourney title game, UNC in the ACC tourney semis, Nova in the Big East tourney title, Kansas in the Big Twelve tourney title.

There's 4 days minimum off.  These are college kids and the top 0.1% of the world in terms of their conditioning.  Anyone who says they'd rather we lose Thursday to get extra rest is just rationalizing a loss before it happens.

This is good data!  Let's always win!  No finish line!

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2023, 02:40:25 PM
What about class work?

It's exhausting for a high level d1 athlete

I haven't really seen the lose early payoff so win what you can. I would rather have another trophy in the case.

Quote from: Hoops92 on February 24, 2023, 12:11:20 PM
Win. Always win. Go into the NCAA on a roll and one of the hottest teams in the tournament.

100%

Right along with thinking losing the BET would have some iota of benefit ..

I was thinking MU should turn down an NCAA bid so we could host some NIT games at the Al.

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 24, 2023, 10:03:44 PM
Right along with thinking losing the BET would have some iota of benefit ..

I was thinking MU should turn down an NCAA bid so we could host some NIT games at the Al.

That would be cool. Can you setup Arby's catering at the Al?

Quote from: Newsdreams on February 24, 2023, 10:51:58 PM
That would be cool. Can you setup Arby's catering at the Al?

I dunno.  Wojo had a standing account with Arby's, but it looks like Shaka let it lapse.