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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: dajudge on February 17, 2023, 07:23:38 PM

Title: Hoop Dreams
Post by: dajudge on February 17, 2023, 07:23:38 PM
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Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: mugrad_89 on February 17, 2023, 07:25:32 PM
Quote from: dajudge on February 17, 2023, 07:23:38 PM
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An incredible documentary.  It was heartbreaking to see what Arther Agee had to deal with.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Herman Cain on February 17, 2023, 08:05:31 PM
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 17, 2023, 07:25:32 PM
An incredible documentary.  It was heartbreaking to see what Arther Agee had to deal with.
Tuss
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: MU82 on February 17, 2023, 11:00:03 PM
My favorite sports movie ever.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: BLWarrior91 on February 17, 2023, 11:00:39 PM
KO's staff discovered Amal McCaskill while recruiting William Gates.

McCaskill barely played in high school and wound up getting some time in the NBA.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Shooter McGavin on February 17, 2023, 11:09:14 PM
52.  One year of Dukiet and three with O'Neill.  Stormed the court in 89 when we beat ND.  MUs program had sunk to a new low but it was fun and we were drunk so why not?
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Amal Sh00k Up on February 18, 2023, 07:11:54 AM
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on February 17, 2023, 11:00:39 PM
KO's staff discovered Amal McCaskill while recruiting William Gates.

McCaskill barely played in high school and wound up getting some time in the NBA.

Long live Amal, good 'ol #00.   An amazing find by KO and staff.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Norm on February 18, 2023, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 17, 2023, 11:09:14 PM
52.  One year of Dukiet and three with O'Neill.  Stormed the court in 89 when we beat ND.  MUs program had sunk to a new low but it was fun and we were drunk so why not?

I stormed the court that day as well. Those were dark days for MU basketball. The class of 1991 has the worst record of any class at Marquette since World War II.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 18, 2023, 07:25:13 PM
I funded Hoop Dreams
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Herman Cain on February 18, 2023, 07:37:40 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 18, 2023, 07:25:13 PM
I funded Hoop Dreams
Dr B:

Excellent Judgement on your part
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 18, 2023, 07:44:12 PM
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 18, 2023, 07:37:40 PM
Dr B:

Excellent Judgement on your part

Scoopers may doubt it but it is a true story.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Herman Cain on February 18, 2023, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 18, 2023, 07:44:12 PM
Scoopers may doubt it but it is a true story.
Dr B:
You were in the right place at the right time and made the right call.

Very impressive
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: pbiflyer on February 18, 2023, 08:15:13 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 18, 2023, 07:25:13 PM
I funded Hoop Dreams

That's pretty damn cool!
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: BLWarrior91 on February 18, 2023, 10:01:43 PM
Quote from: Norm on February 18, 2023, 05:39:16 PM
I stormed the court that day as well. Those were dark days for MU basketball. The class of 1991 has the worst record of any class at Marquette since World War II.
Class of 91 here, too.  Since Al's first winning season in 1966, Marquette has had four losing seasons.  Three of them occurred in my four years.  The other one was Wojo's last season. 

Yet we knew the history and saw the promise when KO came in. 
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: JWags85 on February 19, 2023, 02:08:41 AM
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on February 17, 2023, 11:00:39 PM
KO's staff discovered Amal McCaskill while recruiting William Gates.

McCaskill barely played in high school and wound up getting some time in the NBA.

Played 6 games bus junior year of HS.  And never scored more than 13 points his senior year.  People thought he should go to JUCO and wasn't a D1 player even after signing with MU.

He didn't just get a cup of coffee, he was drafted and played 4 seasons total.  Plus played for FC Barcelona and another Spanish club that won Liga ACB.  Then came back to the NBA for awhile, then played for a EuroLeague runner up in Italy, and finished his career as one of the early stars in the South Korean league's push for relevance in Asia.

An, at the time, head scratching signing ended up playing 4 seasons in the NBA, 8 at the highest of levels in Europe, and nearly a 20 year professional career.  Incredible story that's second only to Wade, in terms of diamonds in the rough, IMO.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on February 19, 2023, 07:14:25 AM
Quote from: JWags85 on February 19, 2023, 02:08:41 AM
Incredible story that's second only to Wade, in terms of diamonds in the rough, IMO.

Amal was before my time, but JFB has to be higher on the list than him. Jimmy cam to MU second fiddle to Joe Fulce, and now his a 6x NBA All-Star.

Amal does get bonus points for surving Gene Pingatore. What an ass...
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: MuggsyB on February 19, 2023, 07:30:20 AM
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on February 19, 2023, 07:14:25 AM
Amal was before my time, but JFB has to be higher on the list than him. Jimmy cam to MU second fiddle to Joe Fulce, and now his a 6x NBA All-Star.

Amal does get bonus points for surving Gene Pingatore. What an ass...

Pingatore was such a colossal prick.  It's a terrific film and has stood the test of time.   
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: MU82 on February 19, 2023, 08:26:55 AM
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 19, 2023, 07:30:20 AM
Pingatore was such a colossal prick.  It's a terrific film and has stood the test of time.

Pingatore was exposed as the poster child for the "we care only about the kids" lie that coaches at elite private schools (and, of course, just about all colleges) have spewed for decades.

And yes, truly a terrific film. Gene Siskel's reaction to it not even being nominated for the best doc Oscar in 1994 was to say it should have won best film that year.

The 30th anniversary coming up next year, so there probably will be a few nice looks back, "where are they now" pieces, etc.

EDIT: Even though Hoop Dreams came out in 1994, it actually wasn't eligible for the Oscars until 1995. Inexplicably, it was nominated only in the Film Editing category, where it lost out to Forrest Gump. It won numerous other awards, including best film from the Chicago Film Critics Association and best documentary at Sundance. Not sure what the Academy's problem was with Hoop Dreams, but not even nominating it for best doc was malpractice.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Goose on February 19, 2023, 08:44:02 AM
Dr. B

That is awesome. How did you get involved?
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: MU82 on February 19, 2023, 08:45:47 AM
Quote from: Goose on February 19, 2023, 08:44:02 AM
Dr. B

That is awesome. How did you get involved?

Agreed. I'd like to hear, too!
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Newsdreams on February 19, 2023, 09:18:00 AM
Quote from: Goose on February 19, 2023, 08:44:02 AM
Dr. B

That is awesome. How did you get involved?
Ron
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 19, 2023, 10:55:59 AM
Quote from: Goose on February 19, 2023, 08:44:02 AM
Dr. B

That is awesome. How did you get involved?

Kartemquin Films is a well known societal documentary production house based in Chicago. McDonald's hired them to do an industrial film on their supply chain and I was assigned to  manage the project which lasted a few years, parallel to "Hoop Dreams". The film's intent was to get as many of the long time suppliers of Ray Kroc on film to show how they worked together to build McDonald's up. McDonald's still uses that footage today I am told.

Kartemquin used the McDonald's corporate funding to pay for the production costs for "Hoop Dreams".  Later on they also received some PBS funding and a grant from the Timberwolves, iirc. But pretty much my project funded the production.

For me, the exciting thing was to see the editing process of "Hoop Dreams" a couple of years before it hit theaters. I pretty much knew it was going to be a hit. But more so, they had done a behind the scenes short documentary of Al where they shared with me the finished and raw footage.  I have posted a link to that in the past and MU uses that footage to this day as well.

Fun to be a fly on the wall.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Goose on February 19, 2023, 11:03:50 AM
Dr. B

That is very cool. The behind the scenes had to be very interesting to be part of. The film definitely was a hit and still remains a great film. I am glad that you helped make it happen.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: MU82 on February 19, 2023, 11:48:30 AM
Thanks for sharing that, Dr. B, and thanks for your role in one of the best and most impactful films I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: NickelDimer on February 19, 2023, 12:01:27 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 18, 2023, 07:25:13 PM
I funded Hoop Dreams
That's amazing. Good work!
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: DoctorV on February 19, 2023, 12:29:59 PM
I guess I have to watch Hoop Dreams now
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Newsdreams on February 19, 2023, 12:50:33 PM
Quote from: DoctorV on February 19, 2023, 12:29:59 PM
I guess I have to watch Hoop Dreams now
Seriously never watched?
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 19, 2023, 01:41:53 PM
Reposting the Al McGuire short.  It starts at 35:55

https://mediaburn.org/video/image-union-episode-11/
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Goose on February 19, 2023, 03:19:40 PM
Dr. B

That was frickin awesome. I went to that game at Loyola and brought back great memories. Al was a master and cooler than cool. Plus, vety nice to see a scoop family member sitting next to Hank. Definitely the best seat in the house for a four year run.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 19, 2023, 05:01:50 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 19, 2023, 01:41:53 PM
Reposting the Al McGuire short.  It starts at 35:55

https://mediaburn.org/video/image-union-episode-11/

Nice. I must have missed this last time you posted.  What a great idea for a show format.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: GoFastAndWin on February 19, 2023, 05:41:03 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 19, 2023, 01:41:53 PM
Reposting the Al McGuire short.  It starts at 35:55

https://mediaburn.org/video/image-union-episode-11/

This was mesmerizing! Thanks for posting. I think those of us who weren't fortunate enough to witness the Al era often hear all of his  interviews and the wispy reflections ...but this shows the nitty gritty of his coaching and how he got through to his players, while doing a good job hiding his nerves, which were clearly there. It shows Al's everyday genius, which we already knew existed; this just reveals the nuts and bolts. I read today in Al McGuire's Wit n Wisdom FB post about how Al lamented in his final (soon to be championship) season...how it's a foregone conclusion that all the Breweries and big companies and their executives will have a reserved seat at his retirement fete. He noted how important it was to him to make room for the janitor and the team bus driver. That quote was prominent in my head while watching this. Just how human and ordinary he was. All while being the definition of extraordinary, one-of-a-kind.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Goose on February 19, 2023, 09:08:50 PM
GoFast

My favorite part of that video was Al telling Pat that Jim Chones was going to be gone soon and he would borrow money from him. Followed by him telling the guys at practice they all are taken care of, especially if they win. He was ahead of the times by an extremely wide margin.

On a side note, he married a saint. A beautiful, smart and kind saint. He lived a blessed life for 70+ years.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Judge Smails on February 20, 2023, 03:00:15 PM
Thanks for posting Dr. B, that was really cool.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 20, 2023, 09:23:46 PM
The fact that there hasn't been a 30 for 30 on Al is an indictment of ESPN.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 20, 2023, 09:48:36 PM
Quote from: Goose on February 19, 2023, 09:08:50 PM
GoFast

My favorite part of that video was Al telling Pat that Jim Chones was going to be gone soon and he would borrow money from him. Followed by him telling the guys at practice they all are taken care of, especially if they win. He was ahead of the times by an extremely wide margin.

On a side note, he married a saint. A beautiful, smart and kind saint. He lived a blessed life for 70+ years.

My favorite part was the outro when he says "the guy from Waukesha" (Gary Grzesk). 
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Pepe Sylvia on February 21, 2023, 11:31:35 AM
Hoop dreams rules and I'm glad Marquette looks good in it. If any one here hasn't seen it you absolutely must.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: GoFastAndWin on February 21, 2023, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on February 21, 2023, 11:31:35 AM
Hoop dreams rules and I'm glad Marquette looks good in it. If any one here hasn't seen it you absolutely must.

I lived near the Wisconsin Illinois border,  Waukegan area. So it was a bit of a hike to one of the two Chicago area theaters where it debuted. It was Thanksgiving break at MU, and I was so fortunate to have my Dad be almost excited as I was to see it. Dad and I drove to the downtown Wilmette theater to catch an early evening screening. Hoop Dreams did not disappoint! It cemented my Dad's Marquette fandom, and we ended up going together to at least 3 MU home per year after that.
Title: Re: Hoop Dreams
Post by: Herman Cain on February 21, 2023, 04:12:47 PM
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 20, 2023, 09:23:46 PM
The fact that there hasn't been a 30 for 30 on Al is an indictment of ESPN.
ZFB:
You might enjoy this in the meantime.

This 30 for 30 was put out a while back on the Uniforms:

http://www.espn.com/30for30/film/_/page/untucked
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