1. MU had less action going to the basket than any game I can remember this year. And Nova doesn't block shots.
2. A whole lot of possessions without paint touches.
3. MU's defense forced a lot of turnovers. Probably saved the game
4. OMax, OMG. Missed you tonight.
5. Was amused by Shaka speak for 'play harder.' (under 8 timeout) Hey, it worked.
6. I was also amused by Stevie talking to the Nova bench. Stevie? A couple of stellar defensive plays during the late run.
7. Rumors of Kam's demise were greatly exaggerated.
8. TKo wants the ball.
9. Just a weird, no flow grind.
10. But an ugly win is far better than a loss.
Good teams win games when they don't have their A game. That's what we did. And their fouling let us cover.
Oso struggles more with strong, quick, shorter defenders. He's a straight line drive guy that relies on being able to get a step on his defender and explode to the basket.
Joplin takes some dumb shots, but he's been playing much better lately.
Our defense the last five minutes of the game was flat out outstanding.
It's nice to sweep Nova
I wish Kolek was around during the Myles Powell years.
Powell may have been suspended for the season if he had to deal with Kolek for 40 minutes.
We won playing nowhere near our A level which is quite encouraging. I thought we would pull away earlier but credit to our guys for staying focused despite some rough patches.
Just like Marquette to wait to start the February fade until NMD.
A grinder of a game. But great D in the last 5 mins...
Looking forward to a big blow out win v
Butler on Sat.
Go Warriors!
One of those rare times that I disagree with you, Tower.
I thought this was a great basketball game. Outstanding defense on both ends. Easy shots weee hard to come by for both teams.
Kolek is the undisputed MAN on this team. I will double down on my AA prediction.
Didn't win this one by less than 5, so I'll reserve judgement on whether they can win close games without their "A" game
14-1 run from 6 minute mark iced the game. Defense won it for us tonight.
Quote from: Jockey on February 01, 2023, 09:54:19 PM
One of those rare times that I disagree with you, Tower.
Aw, man. I thought we were bff's.
I think we'll be ok
16-3 over the final 6:18. And two of those Nova points were after the outcome was in hand. The defense stepped up in crunch time.
Very gutsy win.
Big boy win, got it done and took care of business.
Nova's near the top of my list of BE teams I don't want to see MU face in the quarterfinals next month.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2023, 09:50:29 PM
6. I was also amused by Stevie talking to the Nova bench. Stevie? A couple of stellar defensive plays during the late run.
I think it was specifically to Whitmore. Appears Tyler and Stevie are not Whitmore fans.
Villanova was desperate. We got their best, most focused effort of the year. This game was their opportunity and now it's gone. The team, despite just being out of synch most of the first half, stood up and slammed the door shut late in the second half.
Every game can't be a masterpiece. Winning like that (which is necessary to be great) is a skill this team is learning.
Was a well earned win against an opponent with talented players .
Thought we missed plenty of open shots and took some terrible driving shots. And despite all that...... MU wins! That is impressive..... Goo Marquette!
Nova is a tough match up for us because even if they are not nearly as good as past year. They are gonna force us into a slog of a game.
And TBH good to have a few of those. Get ready for March when our opponent could have any style.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 01, 2023, 09:56:50 PM
16-3 over the final 6:18. And two of those Nova points were after the outcome was in hand. The defense stepped up in crunch time.
Very gutsy win.
Marquette once again refusing to win a close game.
Kolek has been playing outstanding lately and I hope he stays for two more years.
When Joplin took that terrible shot inside with MU up three and then got a defensive stop, I have never seen a player (Kolek) bark at a teammate like he did, all the while dribbling up the court in a three point game and a minute to go. Kolek then made a critical basket after the berating of Joplin. Leadership skills and I am sure Joplin learned a lesson.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on February 01, 2023, 09:56:51 PM
Big boy win, got it done and took care of business.
Nova's near the top of my list of BE teams I don't want to see MU face in the quarterfinals next month.
I was thinking the same thing and the Garden is not a friendly place for us.
During the game, I was thinking about how .. every season, every team .. seems to lose a game they're supposed to win. For 34 minutes, it sure seemed like tonight was the night.
So .. Butler? @Gtown? DePaul? @Butler? STJ?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 01, 2023, 10:00:21 PM
During the game, I was thinking about how .. every season, every team .. seems to lose a game they're supposed to win. For 34 minutes, it sure seemed like tonight was the night.
So .. Butler? @Gtown? DePaul? @Butler? @STJ?
Already happened to Wisconsin.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 01, 2023, 10:00:21 PM
During the game, I was thinking about how .. every season, every team .. seems to lose a game they're supposed to win. For 34 minutes, it sure seemed like tonight was the night.
So .. Butler? @Gtown? DePaul? @Butler? @STJ?
@ Butler is my pick. Hopefully we roll them at home on Sat.
But why is there a pitcher on the bench?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 01, 2023, 10:00:21 PM
During the game, I was thinking about how .. every season, every team .. seems to lose a game they're supposed to win. For 34 minutes, it sure seemed like tonight was the night.
So .. Butler? @Gtown? DePaul? @Butler? @STJ?
100% at Butler.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on February 01, 2023, 10:06:03 PM
But why is there a pitcher on the bench?
It's a kettle, but I still don't know why
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 01, 2023, 10:00:21 PM
During the game, I was thinking about how .. every season, every team .. seems to lose a game they're supposed to win. For 34 minutes, it sure seemed like tonight was the night.
So .. Butler? @Gtown? DePaul? @Butler? @STJ?
We already played and won at St. John's so I'm going to assume we're in good shape for that one.
This was the most grueling 9 point win I've seen this year. They really stepped up the defensive intensity down the stretch.
This is what good teams do. Now let's blow Butler out of the building!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 01, 2023, 09:52:45 PM
It's nice to sweep Nova
It's weird to face a Nova team that turns the ball over and fouls with abandon.
The jug/kettle explanation
https://twitter.com/bensteelemjs/status/1620997899961405441?s=46&t=ziXbNUM62qNlth-_pPjUsg
What's important now
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 01, 2023, 10:05:14 PM
@ Butler is my pick. Hopefully we roll them at home on Sat.
Butler is horrrible, no way
Quote from: nyg on February 01, 2023, 09:59:56 PM
Kolek has been playing outstanding lately and I hope he stays for two more years.
When Joplin took that terrible shot inside with MU up three and then got a defensive stop, I have never seen a player (Kolek) bark at a teammate like he did, all the while dribbling up the court in a three point game and a minute to go. Kolek then made a critical basket after the berating of Joplin. Leadership skills and I am sure Joplin learned a lesson.
For the record.. after he yelled at Joplin he missed his next shot off the front iron. It was the following position when he made a nice basket off the glass.
The Nova missed dunk at the end was poetic.
Quote from: ski44 on February 01, 2023, 10:21:20 PM
The Nova missed dunk at the end was poetic.
And cost some gamblers some money...might make the bad beats edition on SportsCenter.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 01, 2023, 10:13:08 PM
It's weird to face a Nova team that turns the ball over and fouls with abandon.
They don't usually turn it over.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on February 01, 2023, 10:06:49 PM
100% at Butler.
I think you're wrong this time, Dish. Butler's really bad, and we're really good. And I'm going to that one, so I sure hope you're wrong.
https://twitter.com/T_Oglesby22/status/1620993965142188033
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2023, 09:50:29 PM
1. MU had less action going to the basket than any game I can remember this year. And Nova doesn't block shots.
2. A whole lot of possessions without paint touches.
3. MU's defense forced a lot of turnovers. Probably saved the game
4. OMax, OMG. Missed you tonight.
5. Was amused by Shaka speak for 'play harder.' (under 8 timeout) Hey, it worked.
6. I was also amused by Stevie talking to the Nova bench. Stevie? A couple of stellar defensive plays during the late run.
7. Rumors of Kam's demise were greatly exaggerated.
8. TKo wants the ball.
9. Just a weird, no flow grind.
10. But an ugly win is far better than a loss.
Yeah - Isn't it amazing how a respected Coach can get more from his players? Fantastic response to his coaching - raising the level of violence, and making them feel us, and respond to us. Slightly different that "Fight." Compete. Compete. Compete.
Defense the last 6 minutes was elite, lets see it for 40.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1620997516127772673
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2023, 10:26:05 PM
Yeah - Isn't it amazing how a respected Coach can get more from his players? Fantastic response to his coaching - raising the level of violence, and making them feel us, and respond to us. Slightly different that "Fight." Compete. Compete. Compete.
...and he wasn't hoarse yelling at his players; rather intense but calm and low key.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2023, 10:22:58 PM
And cost some gamblers some money...might make the bad beats edition on SportsCenter.
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3454743/update-the-logs-...-marquette-and-villanova-just-gave-example-number-578291-of-why-life-is-too-short-to-bet-the-under
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2023, 10:26:05 PM
Yeah - Isn't it amazing how a respected Coach can get more from his players? Fantastic response to his coaching - raising the level of violence, and making them feel us, and respond to us. Slightly different that "Fight." Compete. Compete. Compete.
tower threw out the bait, and you were only too willing to
obsess bite.
Of course, you're right, too. Shaka had a strong game tonight, and the team followed his lead. I like these kinds of gutsy wins. I'll happily take another 17 of them! Our backcourt of TK, Kam and Stevie really got it done. Such a fun team to watch.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 01, 2023, 10:29:04 PM
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1620997516127772673
This is so true
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 01, 2023, 10:24:58 PM
They don't usually turn it over.
They don't usually commit 20 fouls either. Which is why it was weird.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 01, 2023, 10:25:37 PM
https://twitter.com/T_Oglesby22/status/1620993965142188033
Just one more guy trying to jump on my AA prediction for Kolek.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 01, 2023, 10:30:28 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3454743/update-the-logs-...-marquette-and-villanova-just-gave-example-number-578291-of-why-life-is-too-short-to-bet-the-under
Good find..that is a bad beat for sure.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 01, 2023, 10:30:28 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3454743/update-the-logs-...-marquette-and-villanova-just-gave-example-number-578291-of-why-life-is-too-short-to-bet-the-under
Someone somewhere had five or six figures riding on that half court shot by Kam.
Tyler postgame:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSr09GTW6No
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2023, 10:00:03 PM
the Garden is not a friendly place for us.
Again, folks need to stop projecting past failures on this season's Marquette team. How many times does this team have to show Scoopers that what happened last year or 4 years ago or 15 years ago doesn't mean squat.
It wouldn't surprise me one iota if this season's team absolutely crushes it at MSG.
This just in: The 2022-23 Marquette Shakas are really quite good.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 01, 2023, 09:57:15 PM
Villanova was desperate. We got their best, most focused effort of the year. This game was their opportunity and now it's gone. The team, despite just being out of synch most of the first half, stood up and slammed the door shut late in the second half.
Every game can't be a masterpiece. Winning like that (which is necessary to be great) is a skill this team is learning.
Agree with this fully. Defense kept us in it the whole game and the offense was just enough to get us a nice win over a Villanova team that wanted to win badly. Glad we are done with them. But agree with others that think they could get on a roll now that they are healthy with Moore back. Definitely a possible stumbling block in the Big East tournament.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2023, 09:50:29 PM
5. Was amused by Shaka speak for 'play harder.' (under 8 timeout) Hey, it worked.
It was not even remotely "play harder". He gave actionable instructions. Gimmicky - maybe. But words that actually had an actionable goal associated with them.
His predecessor literally had a timeout where he said, verbatim, "play basketball". This was not that.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2023, 10:25:09 PM
I think you're wrong this time, Dish. Butler's really bad, and we're really good. And I'm going to that one, so I sure hope you're wrong.
Of the options presented, the highest probability of a loss is at Butler. MU isn't losing any of the other options presented.
I'm not saying MU will even lose that game, but analytically there's no spot that's tougher from the group Topper presented than at Butler.
Villanova -
4-0 vs. St. John's and Georgetown
0-7 vs. Everyone Else
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2023, 10:48:14 PM
Again, folks need to stop projecting past failures on this season's Marquette team. How many times does this team have to show Scoopers that what happened last year or 4 years ago or 15 years ago doesn't mean squat.
It wouldn't surprise me one iota if this season's team absolutely crushes it at MSG.
This just in: The 2022-23 Marquette Shakas are really quite good.
When they win at the Garden I'll be convinced, but I am optimistic that this team can surprise me. We'll see. Gutsy win tonight.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 01, 2023, 10:00:21 PM
During the game, I was thinking about how .. every season, every team .. seems to lose a game they're supposed to win. For 34 minutes, it sure seemed like tonight was the night.
So .. Butler? @Gtown? DePaul? @Butler? STJ?
Fine COLE showing here..
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2023, 10:48:14 PM
Again, folks need to stop projecting past failures on this season's Marquette team. How many times does this team have to show Scoopers that what happened last year or 4 years ago or 15 years ago doesn't mean squat.
It wouldn't surprise me one iota if this season's team absolutely crushes it at MSG.
This just in: The 2022-23 Marquette Shakas are really quite good.
COLE is hard to shake....
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2023, 09:50:29 PM
1. MU had less action going to the basket than any game I can remember this year. And Nova doesn't block shots.
2. A whole lot of possessions without paint touches.
3. MU's defense forced a lot of turnovers. Probably saved the game
4. OMax, OMG. Missed you tonight.
5. Was amused by Shaka speak for 'play harder.' (under 8 timeout) Hey, it worked.
6. I was also amused by Stevie talking to the Nova bench. Stevie? A couple of stellar defensive plays during the late run.
7. Rumors of Kam's demise were greatly exaggerated.
8. TKo wants the ball.
9. Just a weird, no flow grind.
10. But an ugly win is far better than a loss.
11. And we did it all without Keeyan! If Kam didn't go.....he was next off the bench.
I am just happy Kam was able to convince the trainers to take the hip brace off and let him play the game tonight...
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 01, 2023, 11:03:56 PM
Fine COLE showing here..
Can someone explain what COLE stands for?
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on February 01, 2023, 11:11:30 PM
Can someone explain what COLE stands for?
Cult of Low Expectations
Quote from: DegenerateDish on February 01, 2023, 10:06:49 PM
100% at Butler.
Can't agree with this. I'm finally going to Hinkle. So looks like they're gonna have to win the whole damn thing.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on February 01, 2023, 10:59:40 PM
Of the options presented, the highest probability of a loss is at Butler. MU isn't losing any of the other options presented.
I'm not saying MU will even lose that game, but analytically there's no spot that's tougher from the group Topper presented than at Butler.
I actually feel really good about beating Butler quite handily. Twice.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2023, 11:43:16 PM
I actually feel really good about beating Butler quite handily. Twice.
Eh... Hinkle is a tough spot, and Butler plays Marquette well.
Marquette will win, but I agree that it'll be the most difficult of the expected wins now that Nova at home is out of the way.
Also, second to last game of the season will have some added cache and pressure
Quote from: DoctorV on February 01, 2023, 11:46:31 PM
Eh... Hinkle is a tough spot, and Butler plays Marquette well.
Marquette will win, but I agree that it'll be the most difficult of the expected wins now that Nova at home is out of the way.
Also, second to last game of the season will have some added cache and pressure
I'm starting to feel that the pressure will only be with our fans. It does not seem to register with this team lately.
Shaka mentioned right away what some of us noticed. This team didn't seem to be having fun, they were tense, they needed to take a breathe.
Good stuff from him here and glad the guys were able to relax.
https://youtu.be/McCYuzKN_hM
Edited: 94Warrior has pointed out this is my 1977 post and I just wanted to stamp it somehow. Milestone!
Quote from: DoctorV on February 01, 2023, 11:46:31 PM
Eh... Hinkle is a tough spot, and Butler plays Marquette well.
Marquette will win, but I agree that it'll be the most difficult of the expected wins now that Nova at home is out of the way.
Also, second to last game of the season will have some added cache and pressure
Butler sucks. Not worried about them.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 01, 2023, 11:46:31 PM
Eh... Hinkle is a tough spot, and Butler plays Marquette well.
Again with the past?
Butler is really bad. This Butler team doesn't know squat about how the Butler team from years ago played Marquette. And this Marquette team is really good. This Marquette team doesn't give a hoot about what happened years ago.
But if we insist on history somehow mattering today ... just 2 years ago, a bad MU team run by a bad coach went into Hinkle and beat a bad Butler team by 16 points. And just 2 years before that, a good MU team went into Hinkle and beat a mediocre Butler team by 18 points.
Butler just lost at Hinkle to Seton Hall, a team we've handled twice, by 21 points. Eleven days earlier, Butler lost at Hinkle to Creighton by 21 points.
So if history really is a guide, I'm thinking we win at Hinkle by somewhere right around 21 points.
"History is not the past but a map of the past, drawn from a particular point of view, to be useful to the modern traveller"
Since when has the past not mattered?
As I said before tonight's game, we used to say "Marquette plays Villanova tough!" and now we will say "Villanova plays Marquette tough!"
Times are changing, respect the future while not losing track of the past.
I was right, Villanova almost stole that one from a Marquette team that is way better than them, playing at home.
Shaka is here, and it's great, and that's why we can now say Villanova plays Marquette tough- it's an ode to our new head coach who is 4-0 against them.
For years, it was a compliment that Marquette actually played Jay Wrights Nova tough.
As for Butler, they have a good new head coach too, and they will play with pride in their home arena. We've seen it before in the past, and we will see it again this season.
Looking into the past isn't a bad thing. Shaka has done it all, but in the past Coach Wojo owned Wisconsin and Shaka can't beat 'em, a travesty!
See how it works.
Sure the past is the past, but lessons everywhere
Defense up to 61 on kenpom
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 02, 2023, 12:24:54 AM
Defense up to 61 on kenpom
I'm shocked that the offense is still #1 after tonight's game.
https://twitter.com/jan_koller15/status/1620990749457387520?s=46&t=ZXvWrAJNYhCXY27m7AZY4g
I'm shocked this wasn't a travel.
5. Was amused by Shaka speak for 'play harder.'
Ummmmmmm
I love the taste of sour grapes in the morning
https://www.vuhoops.com/2023/2/1/23582425/villanova-goes-cold-late-in-loss-to-marquette-college-basketball-big-east-game-recap#comments
Quote from: 1SE on February 02, 2023, 02:00:56 AM
I love the taste of sour grapes in the morning
https://www.vuhoops.com/2023/2/1/23582425/villanova-goes-cold-late-in-loss-to-marquette-college-basketball-big-east-game-recap#comments
Neptune's comments were extremely complimentary of MU. Their fans kvetching about MU fouling on defense are just laughable given the 2 phantom fouls called on Oso in crunch time.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2023, 10:47:44 PM
Tyler postgame:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSr09GTW6No
Kolek is the man
The guy runs the team, is unselfish and is like a coach on the floor
He will be an all timer when he is done. Hell, he is close right now.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 02, 2023, 12:48:45 AM
https://twitter.com/jan_koller15/status/1620990749457387520?s=46&t=ZXvWrAJNYhCXY27m7AZY4g
I'm shocked this wasn't a travel.
working on his NBA moves-yes after i saw that, i had to recheck to see if tim donaghy was brought out of "retirement"
i understand the refs always seem to even out the foul calls "one way or another", but come on man!! some of those calls made the grade school refs blush. for nova, i believe they got their money's worth though
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401485245
Quote from: warriorchick on February 01, 2023, 11:19:22 PM
Cult of Low Expectations
THAT'S what it means?
We already had a word for that: Arby's.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 01, 2023, 11:47:57 PM
I'm starting to feel that the pressure will only be with our fans. It does not seem to register with this team lately.
Amen, but more specially among COLEs, chicken littles, and pants pissers...
Can we talk NCAA seeding or we still in "one game at a time mode" on this board?
Seeds, barring running the table and winning the tourney, I think the ceiling for MU is a 2. Assuming a couple of losses, say @ Creighton and UConn, and no sloppy losses, somewhere in the 3-4 range. Brew is going to do a really detailed post on it soon, I am sure.
Kyle Neptune is already starting to be one of my least favorite opposing coaches with as much as he bitches to the refs. Do it with some aplomb like your predecessor.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 02, 2023, 07:48:18 AM
THAT'S what it means?
We already had a word for that: Arby's. MUScoop
FIFY
Jake
It looks like they guys are not phased a bit and are on mission. I said a few weeks ago that this group has unbelievable chemistry and confidence. The next eight weeks is going to be a ton of fun.
Quote from: barfolomew on February 02, 2023, 08:11:06 AM
Kyle Neptune is already starting to be one of my least favorite opposing coaches with as much as he bitches to the refs. Do it with some aplomb like your predecessor.
His demeanor just screams "I'm in way over my head" to me. Maybe he'll figure it out.
This team is like nothing I've seen since the Hillbilly left. There is a confidence in them that is infectious and while they aren't perfect, they're never out of anything.
Surprisingly, I was never worried about Villanova last night. There was a quiet sense of "we got this!" You could feel the mood of this team as they fought and clawed through the game.
Look, we still have a long way to go but I'm feeling this group is really special. Incredible coaching, people who buy in and know their responsibilities on the court. Execution. Winning!
What more can you ask for?
Quote from: 94Warrior on February 02, 2023, 12:28:44 AM
I'm shocked that the offense is still #1 after tonight's game.
We are still #1 by a fairly significant margin over #2
Quote from: Carl on February 02, 2023, 08:38:16 AM
We are still #1 by a fairly significant margin over #2
#FTsmatta
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2023, 11:56:35 PM
Again with the past?
Butler is really bad. This Butler team doesn't know squat about how the Butler team from years ago played Marquette. And this Marquette team is really good. This Marquette team doesn't give a hoot about what happened years ago.
But if we insist on history somehow mattering today ... just 2 years ago, a bad MU team run by a bad coach went into Hinkle and beat a bad Butler team by 16 points. And just 2 years before that, a good MU team went into Hinkle and beat a mediocre Butler team by 18 points.
Butler just lost at Hinkle to Seton Hall, a team we've handled twice, by 21 points. Eleven days earlier, Butler lost at Hinkle to Creighton by 21 points.
So if history really is a guide, I'm thinking we win at Hinkle by somewhere right around 21 points.
If Butler is really bad, then Ben Gold should get at least 20 minutes of playing time.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on February 01, 2023, 10:06:49 PM
100% at Butler.
I disagree with this strongly. Butler cannot score with us. Ranked 11th in offense in Big East play. Ranked 9th in defense. Since the start of Big East play, Butler ranks #240 in Torvik. Not just worst in the Big East, but worst by a wide margin (Georgetown is #163). Butler has no bench, can't rebound, and has been poorly coached. I'm far more afraid of DePaul at home than Butler, who has gone 0-8 against top-50 Big East teams and lost by an average margin of 22.8 ppg (none closer than 20). And that includes 4 home losses by 20+ points.
Though I'll be honest, I don't think we lose any of the bottom feeder games. DePaul or Georgetown might give us a good half, but I doubt any can keep up for 40 minutes.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 01, 2023, 10:29:04 PM
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1620997516127772673
Villanova has a lot of good pieces, but the lack of a legit point guard is really holding them back.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 02, 2023, 09:37:18 AM
Villanova has a lot of good pieces, but the lack of a legit point guard is really holding them back.
What are you talking about? They have an Arcidiacono, for chrissakes!
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2023, 09:26:14 AM
I disagree with this strongly. Butler cannot score with us. Ranked 11th in offense in Big East play. Ranked 9th in defense. Since the start of Big East play, Butler ranks #240 in Torvik. Not just worst in the Big East, but worst by a wide margin (Georgetown is #163). Butler has no bench, can't rebound, and has been poorly coached. I'm far more afraid of DePaul at home than Butler, who has gone 0-8 against top-50 Big East teams and lost by an average margin of 22.8 ppg (none closer than 20). And that includes 4 home losses by 20+ points.
Though I'll be honest, I don't think we lose any of the bottom feeder games. DePaul or Georgetown might give us a good half, but I doubt any can keep up for 40 minutes.
Yeah, chances we stumble @ GTown are tiny, but still substantially higher than we stumble @ Butler.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 02, 2023, 10:00:27 AM
What are you talking about? They have an Arcidiacono, for chrissakes!
Maybe he'll get better, but he doesn't seem to have the same pedigree as his brother. 😊
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 02, 2023, 10:19:13 AM
Yeah, chances we stumble @ GTown are tiny, but still substantially higher than we stumble @ Butler.
Can we seriously just stop talking about "where this team will stumble" when we are discussing this year's Butler / Depaul / GT.
I mean THIS TEAM, we get it past MU teams stubbed their toe or in Wojo's case "cut off their foot"
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 02, 2023, 10:37:42 AM
Can we seriously just stop talking about "where this team will stumble" when we are discussing this year's Butler / Depaul / GT.
I mean THIS TEAM, we get it past MU teams stubbed their toe or in Wojo's case "cut off their foot"
Butler is a trap game
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 02, 2023, 10:37:42 AM
Can we seriously just stop talking about "where this team will stumble" when we are discussing this year's Butler / Depaul / GT.
I mean THIS TEAM, we get it past MU teams stubbed their toe or in Wojo's case "cut off their foot"
These are the same folks who were convinced that last Saturday's game at DePaul was a trap game. Yes, the game that we won by....(checks notes)...20. 👀
That hybrid zone-man defense MU deployed at the end was outstanding. Nova was totally confused. I think 8 kills in a row.
MU now the 52nd ranked defense in Haslam.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 02, 2023, 11:01:55 AM
That hybrid zone-man defense MU deployed at the end was outstanding. Nova was totally confused. I think 8 kills in a row.
MU now the 52nd ranked defense in Haslam.
Love to see it. I really think when this all shakes out this is a top 40-50 defense on Kenpom.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 02, 2023, 11:01:55 AM
That hybrid zone-man defense MU deployed at the end was outstanding. Nova was totally confused. I think 8 kills in a row.
MU now the 52nd ranked defense in Haslam.
The last five minutes was a defensive clinic.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 02, 2023, 11:03:58 AM
Love to see it. I really think when this all shakes out this is a top 40-50 defense on Kenpom.
Definitely has the potential.
Think its been mentioned by others on here before. Overall we have played a quality offensive SOS which made our D look worse than it was. We also played most of our tough BE offensive games by the halfway point. Hence the recent drop.
And some of our D was due to our style and promoting fast pace and easy buckets. But when games get to crunch time we have proven to clamp down on D in most games. Really if anything its usually a lack of scoring late rather than stops.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 02, 2023, 09:26:14 AM
I disagree with this strongly. Butler cannot score with us. Ranked 11th in offense in Big East play. Ranked 9th in defense. Since the start of Big East play, Butler ranks #240 in Torvik. Not just worst in the Big East, but worst by a wide margin (Georgetown is #163). Butler has no bench, can't rebound, and has been poorly coached. I'm far more afraid of DePaul at home than Butler, who has gone 0-8 against top-50 Big East teams and lost by an average margin of 22.8 ppg (none closer than 20). And that includes 4 home losses by 20+ points.
Though I'll be honest, I don't think we lose any of the bottom feeder games. DePaul or Georgetown might give us a good half, but I doubt any can keep up for 40 minutes.
Again, I never said we're losing at Butler. Context of my comment was based on the options Topper mentioned. Of those options, it's 100% Butler that MU has the CHANCE to lose. MU isn't losing at home to DePaul, Butler, or the Jhonnie's or at GT.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 02, 2023, 10:37:42 AM
Can we seriously just stop talking about "where this team will stumble" when we are discussing this year's Butler / Depaul / GT.
I mean THIS TEAM, we get it past MU teams stubbed their toe or in Wojo's case "cut off their foot"
It has moved from COLE-y and dopey to comical. It's literally hard not to laugh when some folks start talking about all the games we can lose -- usually because of some nightmare from the past.
Sure ... any team can lose any game ... it's sports. But there is absolutely ZERO reason to think this season's Marquette team is gonna lose to this season's Butler team ... because Hinkle ... or because they did 5 years ago ... or because whatever ghost they want to bring up.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 02, 2023, 10:37:42 AM
Can we seriously just stop talking about "where this team will stumble" when we are discussing this year's Butler / Depaul / GT.
I mean THIS TEAM, we get it past MU teams stubbed their toe or in Wojo's case "cut off their foot"
Reread my post
Also, "here comes the February swoon" comments. Last year they slipped down the stretch sure. But before that, there is only one scholarship player on this team who played for Wojo - Oso got 38 total minutes two years ago.
What happened then has no bearing on what will happen this month.
Anything could happen. And maybe we finally have a game where we completely lay an egg.
But I dont think we lose any of the non big 3 games left.
Personally though, I truly think at Georgetown is more of a risk than at Butler. At least Gtown is proving to play like a half of competitive ball a lot recently.
Butler(hope I dont jinx us) is being treated as a buy game oppenent on their home floor these days.
Villanova defends us very well. Really limited the driving/cutting/dishing. Both games.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2023, 11:43:02 AM
But I dont think we lose any of the non big 3 games left.
Personally though, I truly think at Georgetown is more of a risk than at Butler. At least Gtown is proving to play like a half of competitive ball a lot recently.
This is exactly what I said, which PointWarrior misconstrued to mean I was saying we should worry about losing to Butler.
Quite the opposite; I was agreeing with brew that anyone worrying that Bulter would be a tough game is being way too pessimistic. As bad as Georgetown is, Butler is clearly the worst team in the BE at the moment.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 02, 2023, 11:42:08 AM
Also, "here comes the February swoon" comments. Last year they slipped down the stretch sure. But before that, there is only one scholarship player on this team who played for Wojo - Oso got 38 total minutes two years ago.
What happened then has no bearing on what will happen this month.
....but, but today is Ground Hog Day.
Last night felt like the type of back-and-forth contest we simply never won under Wojo. Villanova's had an off year with some injuries and the coaching change, but they came ready to play and gave Marquette a heck of a game for 38 minutes. Any 4-minute lapse by MU — bad shot selection, sloppy ball movement, defensive breakdowns — and Nova easily could've pulled ahead by 10 points. For a while it seemed like MU wouldn't be able to get over the hump. But they never stopped fighting, never "lost" a 4 minute battle between official timeouts, and ultimately came out on top.
That was a great college basketball game. It's nice to be playing for seeding at this time of year instead of watching the bubble to see if we'll even get in.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2023, 10:41:36 AM
Butler is a trap game
Classic definition, they're looking ahead at Tuesday's game 4 sure
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 02, 2023, 03:44:39 PM
Classic definition, they're looking ahead at Tuesday's game 4 sure
Kinda funny that with how good we've been I haven't really even looked at the schedule. Normally I'm looking to see where we can possibly snatch up some easy wins, but every game feels winnable so I haven't even bothered to look(until now) who we have coming up on the schedule.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 02, 2023, 11:49:08 AM
This is exactly what I said, which PointWarrior misconstrued to mean I was saying we should worry about losing to Butler.
Quite the opposite; I was agreeing with brew that anyone worrying that Bulter would be a tough game is being way too pessimistic. As bad as Georgetown is, Butler is clearly the worst team in the BE at the moment.
Not meant specifically for you TSmith - just responded to the last post mentioning a potnetial loss to GT, Butler. I get it that you are saying the it's a far more potential to lose to GT than Butler.
Quote from: barfolomew on February 02, 2023, 08:11:06 AM
Kyle Neptune is already starting to be one of my least favorite opposing coaches with as much as he bitches to the refs. Do it with some aplomb like your predecessor.
I've never seen a coach beg so much for a Technical on an opponent for talking trash.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 02, 2023, 04:03:10 PM
I've never seen a coach beg so much for a Technical on an opponent for talking trash.
Uconn fans were saying that Neptune is notorious for that.
Him and the bench yell when guys take 3s. Stevie fired back and Neptune tried to cry for a Stevie tech.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on February 02, 2023, 11:25:26 AM
Again, I never said we're losing at Butler. Context of my comment was based on the options Topper mentioned. Of those options, it's 100% Butler that MU has the CHANCE to lose. MU isn't losing at home to DePaul, Butler, or the Jhonnie's or at GT.
If we look at only BE play, Georgetown has actually been better than Butler.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2023, 11:43:16 PM
I actually feel really good about beating Butler quite handily. Twice.
But, won't the game at Hinkle be Butler's Senior Day? I was informed on another board that Senior Day turns otherwise indifferent teams into veritable Tigers. We should never forget the game at Seton Hall about 10 years ago.
Quote from: wisblue on February 02, 2023, 04:57:32 PM
But, won't the game at Hinkle be Butler's Senior Day? I was informed on another board that Senior Day turns otherwise indifferent teams into veritable Tigers. We should never forget the game at Seton Hall about 10 years ago.
Wrong color
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 02, 2023, 11:57:52 AM
Last night felt like the type of back-and-forth contest we simply never won under Wojo. Villanova's had an off year with some injuries and the coaching change, but they came ready to play and gave Marquette a heck of a game for 38 minutes. Any 4-minute lapse by MU — bad shot selection, sloppy ball movement, defensive breakdowns — and Nova easily could've pulled ahead by 10 points. For a while it seemed like MU wouldn't be able to get over the hump. But they never stopped fighting, never "lost" a 4 minute battle between official timeouts, and ultimately came out on top.
That was a great college basketball game. It's nice to be playing for seeding at this time of year instead of watching the bubble to see if we'll even get in.
That Nova game felt like an NCAA tourney game. Good defense, slower pace, back and forth, etc. It was really nice to see MU lock down late on D and get the win. They definitely can win in different ways. Bodes well for March.
Quote from: wisblue on February 02, 2023, 04:57:32 PM
But, won't the game at Hinkle be Butler's Senior Day? I was informed on another board that Senior Day turns otherwise indifferent teams into veritable Tigers. We should never forget the game at Seton Hall about 10 years ago.
If we played a team of real tigers, I think Muggsy would cheer for them to tear us apart.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 02, 2023, 04:07:43 PM
Uconn fans were saying that Neptune is notorious for that.
Him and the bench yell when guys take 3s. Stevie fired back and Neptune tried to cry for a Stevie tech.
Bardo was like, "It shouldn't be a tech on the player if the opposing bench started it."
I just hope none of our players do that at Butler, because it'll probably be a 1-point game. If we're lucky.
Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2023, 07:40:34 PM
Bardo was like, "It shouldn't be a tech on the player if the opposing bench started it."
I just hope none of our players do that at Butler, because it'll probably be a 1-point game. If we're lucky.
I'll do it for them at the Butler game at Hinkle.
Quote from: The Thing on February 02, 2023, 05:16:26 PM
That Nova game felt like an NCAA tourney game. Good defense, slower pace, back and forth, etc. It was really nice to see MU lock down late on D and get the win. They definitely can win in different ways. Bodes well for March.
Good point, I thought the same thing.
It was really refreshing and enjoyable to watch Marquette in the 2H last night because we saw that defensive tenacity.
When the rubber meets the road versus a tough opponent in an elimination game, which it undoubtedly will, Marquette will have to turn up the lock down D and Shaka will have to figure out a way.
Good news is that he's got several different ways offensively, and we've seen that they can lock down defensively.
Oh and it would be good if OMax showed up.
Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2023, 07:40:34 PM
Bardo was like, "It shouldn't be a tech on the player if the opposing bench started it."
I just hope none of our players do that at Butler, because it'll probably be a 1-point game. If we're lucky.
At least our coach will know the score this time.
It was a wonderful game to watch. So tight and dramatic. The thing with the pitcher was that last week Smart pulled out the pitcher at a team meeting and asked every player to write down what they could do to make the team better. Kolek wrote down 'encourage my teammates'. The bench guys brought it to the bench. MU played great defense at the end and give OMax some credit for that. When he hits a couple of threes it fun but we don't need him for that. He should be posting because Oso is outside and even if OMax isn't getting the pass in the paint he's drawing a stout defender to breakdown the defense. Don't ask Oso the take threes either. He's doing just fine. Big win of course. Butler on Saturday. No problem. Then the 2 game road trip (2 more wins) and back home for the Xavier game. And then it's Crieghton in Omaha. Who could ask for more??
Quote from: oilcan on February 02, 2023, 10:22:19 PM
It was a wonderful game to watch. So tight and dramatic. The thing with the pitcher was that last week Smart pulled out the pitcher at a team meeting and asked every player to write down what they could do to make the team better. Kolek wrote down 'encourage my teammates'.
Is that what he was doing with Jop on that trip up the floor late in the game?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 03, 2023, 07:04:54 AM
Is that what he was doing with Jop on that trip up the floor late in the game?
Tough brotherly love, yes