Jop
Kolek or Jop? I think it has to be Kolek, but if Jop isn't hot this game goes down to the wire. Instead it was a laugher.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 28, 2023, 02:54:15 PM
Kolek or Jop? I think it has to be Kolek, but if Jop isn't hot this game goes down to the wire. Instead it was a laugher.
I already started a thread
Bump
Quote from: panda on January 28, 2023, 02:54:53 PM
I already started a thread
Star of the game? This ain't grade school ball.
Kolek. Messed around and almost got a triple double.
Jop
Kolek definitely deserves it as well but Jop's offense blew it open
Kolek, as good as Jop was, it was fed to him by TK. So close to the first triple-double in 20 years.
8/10 from deep should win it
But it's Kolek and there should be no debate
Jop
But a strong case could be made for Kolek.
Going 8-11 from behind the arc gets the nod.
TK 3 D as close as you can get but got pulled
Kolek was great, but Jop's ridiculous shooting broke the game open in the second half.
This is what is so fun & great about this team.
I didn't even consider the guy who went 24/9/10.
Jop.
Can't believe I'm not going Jop after that performance. It's TKO.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 28, 2023, 03:00:20 PM
Can't believe I'm not going Jop after that performance. It's TKO.
I think jop is star of the game
Bump
Kolek had a great game, but Jop blew this one open.
Kolek for SOTG. Jop for Star of the Game
Quote from: panda on January 28, 2023, 03:00:50 PM
Bump
Are you seriously being competitive about a SOTG post?
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on January 28, 2023, 02:59:15 PM
Jop
But a strong case could be made for Kolek.
Going 8-11 from behind the arc gets the nod.
LOL there is a lot more to the game than that there hasn't been a triple double since Wade for MU. If TK didn't get pulled he probably gets it. 3 D's are very rare in NCAA
1. Tyko.
1a. Jop.
Huh, you new here?
MODS should merge
Want to say Jop but it has to be Tyler.
I already voted but how more studly can you be than a near triple double (well, except for an actual triple double)
Quote from: Hoops92 on January 28, 2023, 03:05:21 PM
Want to say Jop but it has to be Tyler.
I vote for Tyler.
And I vote for this thread.
David Joplin
Can't choose between Kolek and Jop. Either one.
Kolek
Joplin broke DePaul's spirit. Has to be him
Taylor Kodak was great, but Jop gets this one.
Don't think he'll get it, but I'll go Jop. Tempered expectations for starter vs bench player I guess. Both very worthy.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2023, 02:58:51 PM
Jop
Kolek definitely deserves it as well but Jop's offense blew it open
I agree with this. This is where the mods earn their money.
Can't argue with the scoring dominance of
Jop
Gotta go Jop, committed to defense and rebounding. Well done young man
Watch me. Kolek. 24-9-10
Quote from: panda on January 28, 2023, 03:11:06 PM
Can't argue with the scoring dominance of
Jop
Panda, your last name wouldn't happen to be.......Joplin perhaps??
Both jop and Tyler deserve it
. Our dictator mod can pick whatever he wants
David Joplin
Honorable Mention
Tyler Kolek
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2023, 03:11:58 PM
Watch me. Kolek. 24-9-10
I disagree tower but respect your opinion
KOJOP
Kolek. Ken Pom agrees. But if there ever was a game to award dual/split screen images on the SOTG avatar, this would be a good one.
Bump
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 28, 2023, 03:17:52 PM
Kolek. Ken Pom agrees. But if there ever was a game to award dual/split screen images on the SOTG avatar, this would be a good one.
Good point musk
Joplin for breaking DePaul's will to stay in the game. Two games in a row they have broken the opponent's will to compete. That is what a very good team does to the opposition.
Quote from: Goose on January 28, 2023, 03:19:58 PM
Joplin for breaking DePaul's will to stay in the game. Two games in a row they have broken the opponent's will to compete. That is have a very good team does to the opposition.
Yup
It's great that the last several games there hasn't been a clear STOG - what a luxury! I'd go for Jop - another great game from TK, but Jop is the guy who hit the big shots that allowed us to pull away.
It's kolek
This one is a toughie.
Was convinced when Jop opened the game up that it would be him, and he didn't slow down after that. But then you look at 24-9-10 and think about how much Trent did all game long. Won't bitch about either, but I'd give the edge to TK.
Quote from: Judge Smails on January 28, 2023, 03:22:36 PM
It's great that the last several games there hasn't been a clear STOG - what a luxury! I'd go for Jop - another great game from TK, but Jop is the guy who hit the big shots that allowed us to pull away.
Agree
Quote from: panda on January 28, 2023, 03:16:11 PM
I disagree tower but respect your opinion
Either is a worthy choice. I won't kvetch about either. Both were phenomenal. I couldn't resist the 'can't argue' bit.
Starry soda.
But also Jop
Kolek for Star. Joplin for Stud.
I already voted for Jop. But in addition to Kolek's overall stat line, it was nice to see him knock down several threes. It made up for his awful FT shooting.
Quote from: Goose on January 28, 2023, 03:19:58 PM
Joplin for breaking DePaul's will to stay in the game. Two games in a row they have broken the opponent's will to compete. That is what a very good team does to the opposition.
This^^^
TyKo was incredible after struggling early with some uncharacteristic turns, but half of his points came late after the game was in control.
Joplin's 3 consecutive trey stretch after the under 16 in the 2H took a 3 point game to a 12 point game and it was OVA.
It's David Joplin for the Jop well done
Jop
Quote from: Goose on January 28, 2023, 03:19:58 PM
Joplin for breaking DePaul's will to stay in the game. Two games in a row they have broken the opponent's will to compete. That is what a very good team does to the opposition.
Perfectly stated, Goose, and it's why Joplin really isn't all that difficult a choice even as wonderful as Kolek was.
We couldn't shake DePaul. Had a lot of open looks but kept bricking them. And then Joplin goes splash-splash-splash ... and DePaul was demoralized and doomed. Plus, they then turned to even more hero ball than usual trying to match Joplin's output.
That Joplin kept hitting them was amazing. I mean, as great as Kolek's stat line was, it's hard to go 8-for-11 from 3 in an empty gym. Finally, add in the fact that Kam was hurt and we really needed someone to step up and hit shots ... and there's your recipe for SOTG.
Loved Kolek's game (obvi) and Oso also was his typically efficient self on both ends. But Jop's the man today.
JOP was awesome but TKO at one rebound away from a triple-double deserves it more.
Quote from: Goose on January 28, 2023, 03:19:58 PM
Joplin for breaking DePaul's will to stay in the game. Two games in a row they have broken the opponent's will to compete. That is what a very good team does to the opposition.
Beat you by 11 minutes. Does this mean I get the coveted Goose Seal of Approval on Ball Knowledge?
the jop-penator
Jop broke their back...but pretty much a coin flip
It's nice to have this dilemma. We have a real contest for SOTG. We also have a contest for SOTG threads!
Since I gave Kolek the (slight) edge in the other thread, I'll go with Jop here.
ATL MU
If you concede that I was right several years ago on MU needing a system and recruiting players that fit that system. Back in the previous administration of MU ball you attacked me on virtually every post.
FYI— I am kidding.
I will add that TAMU defended your stance and told me we were playing the Duke offense and we had a system.
Jop
Quote from: AZWarrior on January 28, 2023, 03:56:35 PM
JOP was awesome but TKO at one rebound away from a triple-double deserves it more.
He had 7 rebounds at halftime, so he got lazy in the second half. ;D
So Jop.
Seriously rewatching the game, DePaul stayed close ish during Hop's barrage, so I vote for Tyler, as he contributed throughout, but won't argue either.
Quote from: Goose on January 28, 2023, 04:34:29 PM
ATL MU
If you concede that I was right several years ago on MU needing a system and recruiting players that fit that system. Back in the previous administration of MU ball you attacked me on virtually every post.
FYI— I am kidding.
I will add that TAMU defended your stance and told me we were playing the Duke offense and we had a system.
Ok. Deal. Lay it on me.
Whatever the system was back then (if in fact there was one) we are in a MUCH better place now.
The game turned on Jop's shooting.
Atl MU
Welcome to the club.
Jop for me
Quote from: Goose on January 28, 2023, 04:53:46 PM
Atl MU
Welcome to the club.
Thank you sir. If I could figure out how to post a GIF I would.
Atl
To be honest, not a lot of perks being in the club. You have not missed anything.
Toughest call of the Year, but the complete performance wins out
Have to go Jop. Kolek was fantastic and consistent but after Joplin went off the game was over.
Hate not. to pick Kolek. But Jop lead the way to victory.
Kolek. I mean come on, he scored only 4 fewer points and had a near triple double. We're lucky as fans to be debating whether a guy who makes 8 threes or a guy who nearly had a triple double (first in ages) gets the nod for SOTG.
Scoop don't know ball.
Should be Tyler. Would have been the first triple double since Wade's elite 8 vs Kentucky. If something is almost done that hasnt been in 20 years, thats what takes my vote.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 28, 2023, 06:08:25 PM
Should be Tyler. Would have been the first triple double since Wade's elite 8 vs Kentucky. If something is almost done that hasnt been in 20 years, thats what takes my vote.
Exactly
Quote from: panda on January 28, 2023, 03:16:11 PM
I disagree tower but respect your opinion
Only 4 pt difference, TK more bounds, more assists. Has been 20 yrs since Wade got a 3 double and TK was one rebound away. People here don't know how hard a 3 double is.
Quote from: Goose on January 28, 2023, 03:19:58 PM
Joplin for breaking DePaul's will to stay in the game. Two games in a row they have broken the opponent's will to compete. That is what a very good team does to the opposition.
Goose, I have to give you a lot of credit. Your expectations were high from Shaka's hire. I thought we'd have some growing pains and be a few years away from real success. We are past the halfway point of the conference season and are talking Big East Championship paths. Really enjoying the ride!
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 28, 2023, 06:12:32 PM
Only 4 pt difference, TK more bounds, more assists. Has been 20 yrs since Wade got a 3 double and TK was one rebound away. People here don't know how hard a 3 double is.
People here don't know how hard an 8-for-11 shooting performance from 3-point range is.
Flipped the coin, and it came up Jop.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on January 28, 2023, 06:08:25 PM
Should be Tyler. Would have been the first triple double since Wade's elite 8 vs Kentucky. If something is almost done that hasnt been in 20 years, thats what takes my vote.
Absolutely. Joplin shot it great, played great, but one board short of the greatest performance by an MU player in almost 20 years wins the SOTG and it isn't really debatable IMO.
Cheebs
What Shaka has done in 1.5 seasons is beyond my very high expectations. Their record is slightly better than I thought if would be at this point in the season, but everything else around the team and program is truly remarkable.
I believed Shaka would build a culture, play an exciting style of play and win big at MU. He accomplished the first two in very short order., Now, it is time to deliver on winning big.
I will refrain from making predictions on the future of the program, but I never believed MU could not be the next Nova or reach elite status that some on here believe. This program is just getting started and winning in March will be another step in building an elite program.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 28, 2023, 06:38:46 PM
Absolutely. Joplin shot it great, played great, but one board short of the greatest performance by an MU player in almost 20 years wins the SOTG and it isn't really debatable IMO.
It's certainly debatable a guy dropping 28 in 25 minutes. That was a Markus like performance and the game was blown open by his shooting.
If we play at home, Kolek would've had a triple double. That Mitchell redirect would've been given to TK.
Jop star of the game, Kolek stud off the game. Done.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 28, 2023, 06:38:46 PM
Absolutely. Joplin shot it great, played great, but one board short of the greatest performance by an MU player in almost 20 years wins the SOTG and it isn't really debatable IMO.
Goose and I would debate it with you.
TKO ! ! ! 8-)
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 28, 2023, 06:54:03 PM
It's certainly debatable a guy dropping 28 in 25 minutes. That was a Markus like performance and the game was blown open by his shooting.
A Markus performance vs a Wade performance. So, not all that close.
Quote from: MU82 on January 28, 2023, 07:10:06 PM
Goose and I would debate it with you.
Even you and Goose are wrong sometimes.
Tyler
Lenny
Great line. I went with Joplin because he changed the game quickly. Kolek put on a show today and he is spoiling us. He could be SOTG almost every game and seems to be getter all season long.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 28, 2023, 07:13:31 PM
Even you and Goose are wrong sometimes.
Close game till Jop broke it open ... and he didn't stop hitting 3s until DePaul was toast.
The guy who steps up with our leading scorer out and goes 8-for-11 from 3 wins the SOTG and it isn't really debatable IMO.
No doubt TK had an awesome game. But when comparing against Wade's triple double in 2003, let's not forget that Wade did it in the elite eight against the #1 team in the country, not a regular season game against the Big East's perennial cellar dweller. Having said that, great game by TK today - his performance this season has been outstanding.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 28, 2023, 07:12:33 PM
A Markus performance vs a Wade performance. So, not all that close.
We're not going to change each other's minds and that's fine, but to say it isn't close and not debatable is ridiculous and diminishes an incredible performance by Jop. Again, blew open the game.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 28, 2023, 07:29:31 PM
We're not going to change each other's minds and that's fine, but to say it isn't close and not debatable is ridiculous and diminishes an incredible performance by Jop. Again, blew open the game.
4 pt difference
If this was at MU Kolek would have had a triple double (home scorer would have given him the board that Stevie intentionally tipped to Jim at the end). Triple double hasn't happened since Wade. It's TKO. Jop would won it any other night
Quote from: Goose on January 28, 2023, 07:16:20 PM
Lenny
Great line. I went with Joplin because he changed the game quickly. Kolek put on a show today and he is spoiling us. He could be SOTG almost every game and seems to be getter all season long.
That's the difference for me as well.. You expect Tyler to have those kind of games but Joplin kept the 1st half close coming off the bench and blew it open in he second half!
Quote from: Judge Smails on January 28, 2023, 07:25:24 PM
No doubt TK had an awesome game. But when comparing against Wade's triple double in 2003, let's not forget that Wade did it in the elite eight against the #1 team in the country, not a regular season game against the Big East's perennial cellar dweller. Having said that, great game by TK today - his performance this season has been outstanding.
Not saying TK's game today measures up to Wade's E8 triple double. It doesn't. But it was Wade-like (dominating the game in multiple ways). Yes, he scored 4 points less than Jop and was only almost as good percentage wise. But he also dominated two other important categories. It was the best all around performance by any MU player this season.
Quote from: Goose on January 28, 2023, 07:16:20 PM
Lenny
Great line. I went with Joplin because he changed the game quickly. Kolek put on a show today and he is spoiling us. He could be SOTG almost every game and seems to be getter all season long.
Goose
Don't get me wrong. Jop was great, and he did blow the game open. But we haven't seen a triple double at MU in almost 20 years, and it was by the best player in the history of the program. Kolek was in rare air today, Wade like air. 28, 5 and 1 with a block is usually an easy winner but not today- 24, 9, 10 and 3 steals is other worldly.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 28, 2023, 08:10:12 PM
Goose
Don't get me wrong. Jop was great, and he did blow the game open. But we haven't seen a triple double at MU in almost 20 years, and it was by the best player in the history of the program. Kolek was in rare air today, Wade like air. 28, 5 and 1 with a block is usually an easy winner but not today- 24, 9, 10 and 3 steals is other worldly.
We still haven't seen a triple double in 20 years...
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 28, 2023, 08:11:26 PM
We still haven't seen a triple double in 20 years...
Yep. Which shows you how impressive Kolek's performance was. Give or take a rebound, whatever. He played a part in at least 20 other points scored besides the 24 of his own and managed to get 9 boards as the PG. Shaka found a special player in Kolek.
Quote from: Markusquette on January 28, 2023, 08:13:06 PM
Yep. Which shows you how impressive Kolek's performance was. Give or take a rebound, whatever. He played a part in at least 20 other points scored besides the 24 of his own and managed to get 9 boards as the PG. Shaka found a special player in Kolek.
I agree. I don't know why we need to debate it against the best performance on the biggest stage of my lifetime.
Tyler had an awesome game—full stop.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 28, 2023, 08:11:26 PM
We still haven't seen a triple double in 20 years...
Who said anything different? Shaka could have easily made sure Kolek got another rebound, but to his (and the game's) credit he didn't. Instead, he played it honest and even let the walk ons finish it out. Point remains it was the closet any MU player has been to one in almost 20 years. Remarkable.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 28, 2023, 06:16:50 PM
Goose, I have to give you a lot of credit. Your expectations were high from Shaka's hire. I thought we'd have some growing pains and be a few years away from real success. We are past the halfway point of the conference season and are talking Big East Championship paths. Really enjoying the ride!
I said wait until 2nd year for Shaka to see how he is doing. He is getting the job done, big time. MU got the hire absolutely 100% right.
TKO
Just got done watching after working a college volleyball tourney all done. I got Joplin.
Tyler Kolek. It has been a long time since I have seen a better game from a Marquette PG. Definitely pre-Travis. He was absolutely fantastic out there today.
Joplin runner up.
Quote from: MU82 on January 28, 2023, 07:22:12 PM
Close game till Jop broke it open ... and he didn't stop hitting 3s until DePaul was toast.
The guy who steps up with our leading scorer out and goes 8-for-11 from 3 wins the SOTG and it isn't really debatable IMO.
It's absolutely debatable. Won't argue with anyone that chooses Jop but to say it's an obvious choice is silly.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 28, 2023, 08:25:57 PM
Tyler Kolek. It has been a long time since I have seen a better game from a Marquette PG. Definitely pre-Travis. He was absolutely fantastic out there today.
Joplin runner up.
+1 We watched the same game.
Kolek's ability to score in tbe paint has completely changed everything about this team.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 28, 2023, 06:55:04 PM
If we play at home, Kolek would've had a triple double. That Mitchell redirect would've been given to TK.
Ricky Davis agrees
"Star" of the game?
That should be cause for a straight up ban.
Proxima centauri
Jop
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 28, 2023, 03:30:22 PM
Kolek for Star. Joplin for Stud.
Let me reiterate how completely off base you are! Not sure how anyone can be so wrong! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 28, 2023, 07:02:49 PM
Jop star of the game, Kolek stud off the game. Done.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 28, 2023, 08:27:44 PM
It's absolutely debatable. Won't argue with anyone that chooses Jop but to say it's an obvious choice is silly.
I was using Lenny's language, as we were having fun debating.
Quote from: Eye on January 28, 2023, 08:25:06 PM
Just got done watching after working a college volleyball tourney all done. I got Joplin.
Good enough for me -- Jop passes the Eye test, too!
Lets just say its a great problem to have.
Jop
I'd say Joplin but a close second to Keeyan. A block and the runs the floor and almost throws it in the hoop a la Blake Griffin? Sheesh he's fun to watch
Posted this in the "star" thread as well. If this was at MU Kolek would have had a triple double (home scorer would have given him the board that Stevie intentionally tipped to Jim at the end). Triple double hasn't happened since Wade. It's TKO. Jop would won it any other night
Despite predicting here this week that TK would get some All-American mentions at the end of this year, I gotta go with J O P
Just noticed Kolek is now on Pomeroy's All Big East
OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT - The first ever star of the game, presented by major goolsbys goes to............
DAVID JOPLIN.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 28, 2023, 06:38:46 PM
Absolutely. Joplin shot it great, played great, but one board short of the greatest performance by an MU player in almost 20 years wins the SOTG and it isn't really debatable IMO.
Kolek was awesome today. But there have been a number of performances that were better than his over the past 20 years.
Kolek... but jop was automatic
Easy pick with Jop. How many of Tyler's assists were David makes?
Quote from: LAZER on January 28, 2023, 10:26:08 PM
Just noticed Kolek is now on Pomeroy's All Big East
Kam was there until yesterday, so those two are probably pretty close at 5/6.
i can understand why jop would be an obvious choice at first glance-he had the sexier(8/11 trifectas) game.
however...
TK's game is so subtle and workman like. his 4 turnovers, although still low for a point guard handling the ball as much as he does, was still uncharacteristically high for him. he averages an incredible 2.4 per game!?! btw, he's presently shooting 36.4% from the arc. i believe there's a little scoop wager going on with 35 being the o/u? he's going to push that number toward 40.
most games that we win would have to include TK in the conversation due to his ball handling and distribution relatively error free all by itself. the rest is BONUS
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 29, 2023, 05:40:48 AM
i can understand why jop would be an obvious choice at first glance-he had the sexier(8/11 trifectas) game.
however...
TK's game is so subtle and workman like. his 4 turnovers, although still low for a point guard handling the ball as much as he does, was still uncharacteristically high for him. he averages an incredible 2.4 per game!?! btw, he's presently shooting 36.4% from the arc. i believe there's a little scoop wager going on with 35 being the o/u? he's going to push that number toward 40.
most games that we win would have to include TK in the conversation due to his ball handling and distribution relatively error free all by itself. the rest is BONUS
Kolek's all around game gets the very slight edge over Joplin's 28 pts.
If there was ever a game where two players played amazing and deserved to be co-studs, this is it.
Can't say one deserves it over the other.
Quote from: LAZER on January 28, 2023, 10:26:08 PM
Just noticed Kolek is now on Pomeroy's All Big East
Is this an actual thing, or is it just tallying the scores that every player receives and the top 5 are "All Big East"?
Not diminishing it at all if it's the latter. Just curious to know.
Kolek's having a sensational season and he deserves accolades for leading our incredibly entertaining and successful team. Oso, too. Their improvement, skills, intelligence and leadership have been astonishing to behold.
Tyler Kolek had a wonderful game, no doubt about it. But, I vote for Joplin for sotg for one reason. A lot of us, including me, have been critical of him. With a game like that, he should get sotg simply to let him know that we also notice when he does very well. Not only did he shoot like crazy but he also worked hard on defense and on the boards. I also liked how he laughed off his air ball shot.
Having been at the game, the demoralizing effect of Joplin hitting those three straight bombs cannot be underestimated. Just blew the game open. TK had a terrific game and can't argue against his selection if that is the decision of the overlords but Joplin was yesterday's SOTG.
As to that bogus star of the game thread, here is what should happen to it.
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Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 28, 2023, 10:19:28 PM
Posted this in the "star" thread as well. If this was at MU Kolek would have had a triple double (home scorer would have given him the board that Stevie intentionally tipped to Jim at the end). Triple double hasn't happened since Wade. It's TKO. Jop would won it any other night
Dis^^^^^^^^
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 29, 2023, 05:36:13 AM
Easy pick with Jop. How many of Tyler's assists were David makes?
Ban dis guy ^^^^^^
Quote from: wadesworld on January 28, 2023, 11:19:57 PM
Kolek was awesome today. But there have been a number of performances that were better than his over the past 20 years.
A number better than 24 (with an efg% of 93), 9 rebounds (led the team), 10 assists (led the team) and 3 steals (led the team)? Share 6 or 7 please.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 28, 2023, 10:19:28 PM
Posted this in the "star" thread as well. If this was at MU Kolek would have had a triple double (home scorer would have given him the board that Stevie intentionally tipped to Jim at the end). Triple double hasn't happened since Wade. It's TKO. Jop would won it any other night
Hmmm. I seem to remember MUAD's much maligned Marketing Department tweeting about Oso's triple double in Ft. Meyers.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 29, 2023, 10:20:56 AM
Ban dis guy ^^^^^^
Take it up with your ND Circle of Friends.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 29, 2023, 10:27:07 AM
A number better than 24 (with an efg% of 93), 9 rebounds (led the team), 10 assists (led the team) and 3 steals (led the team)? Share 6 or 7 please.
You have to remember that Wades has been a Kolek-hater pretty much since Day 1, and said this team's success hinged on Sean Jones, and that we'd finish 15-16 on the year and 8th in the Big East:
Quote from: wadesworld on November 16, 2022, 08:53:53 AM
We've seen the guy for a season and 3 games. I think it's fair to say that, at this level, Kolek is not a good shooter. Not even just not a good shooter, but a really bad shooter. Maybe he'll prove that wrong. But so far...
And if he made "one more made two and one more made three" a night, those would still be bad shooting numbers. And let's not act like it's "just." That's adding five points per game to the team! That's a huge difference. For example, last year Georgia and Hartford were dead center in the country at 69.8 points per game. If they "just" made one more three and one more two per game (as a team, not even one specific individual player) they jump up from 179th in points per game to 53rd in points per game as a team.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 13, 2022, 09:30:13 PM
Now THAT is the most concerning thing I've heard about Shaka and staff. By FAR. I'm a HUGE Sean Jones believer and have said for months I think he'll need to be our best player to have much team success this year.
And then there was that preseason prediction:
Quote from: wadesworld on September 09, 2022, 02:05:55 PM
Radford - W
Central Michigan - W
@Purdue - L
LIU - W
vs. Mississippi St. - L
vs. Georgia Tech/Utah - W
Chicago St. - W
Baylor - L
Wisconsin - W
North Carolina Central - W
@Notre Dame - L
Creighton - L
@Providence - L
Seton Hall - W
@Villanova - L
@St. John's - L
Georgetown - W
UConn - L
@Xavier - L
Providence - W
@Seton Hall -L
@DePaul - W
Villanova - L
Butler - W
@UConn - L
@Georgetown - W
Xavier - L
@Creighton - L
DePaul - W
@Butler - L
St. John's - W
Overall: 15-16
Big East Record: 8-12
Big East Tournament Seed: 8
Big East Tournament Result: Quarterfinal Loss
Postseason Tournament and Seed: None
Postseason Result: None
Wow we putting scoopers on BLAST on this joyous Sunday morning.
I'm out of this discussion, Cura Personalis!
Quote from: DoctorV on January 29, 2023, 11:37:21 AM
Wow we putting scoopers on BLAST on this joyous Sunday morning.
I'm out of this discussion, Cura Personalis!
Speaking of being put on blast, it was discouraging to see one of our own high volume Scoopers put Shaka, Kolek, and this team on blast this past fall. But, there has been a long legacy with said poster missing the mark big time on MU basketball.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 29, 2023, 11:44:15 AM
Speaking of being put on blast, it was discouraging to see one of our own high volume Scoopers put Shaka, Kolek, and this team on blast this past fall. But, there has been a long legacy with said poster missing the mark big time on MU basketball.
Tell 'em musk !
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 29, 2023, 11:44:15 AM
Speaking of being put on blast, it was discouraging to see one of our own high volume Scoopers put Shaka, Kolek, and this team on blast this past fall. But, there has been a long legacy with said poster missing the mark big time on MU basketball.
He must repent and pay for his crimes!
Quote from: DoctorV on January 29, 2023, 11:56:22 AM
He must repent and pay for his crimes!
I agree. Rocky should probably ban him. But then again Wades and Rocky are hitched at the hip in their love for Wojo and skepticism of Shaka.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 29, 2023, 12:02:22 PM
I agree. Rocky should probably ban him. But then again Wades and Rocky are hitched at the hip in their love for Wojo and skepticism of Shaka.
TELL EM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 29, 2023, 11:26:24 AM
You have to remember that Wades has been a Kolek-hater pretty much since Day 1, and said this team's success hinged on Sean Jones, and that we'd finish 15-16 on the year and 8th in the Big East:
And then there was that preseason prediction:
I have had numerous arguments with Wades over basketball, but I have no problem with people giving their opinions - right or wrong. It sure beats people who are afraid to do so and then criticize people who do.
(I'm not saying that is you as I don't remember what you said at the beginning of the year.)
And to one point, Kolek
was an awful shooter when Wades made the remark. I said so, as did many others. Props for the work he has put in to get better.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 29, 2023, 10:58:25 AM
Take it up with your ND Circle of Friends.
Shots fired, not even warning shots!
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 29, 2023, 12:02:22 PM
I agree. Rocky should probably ban him. But then again Wades and Rocky are hitched at the hip in their love for Wojo and skepticism of Shaka.
Kolek hater? Lol. Because I said he wasn't a good shooter? Uh. Okay? Oso is not a good shooter. I must be a hater. Stevie isn't a very good shooter. Oops, I guess I'm a hater!
What am I getting banned for?
Speaking of bans. How many times have you come back to Scoop from a permaban?
Crowder 29/8/5/4 steals on 10/12 shooting against a much better West Virginia team in 2011.
Crowder 26/16/4/4 steals in an NCAA Tournament win against a much better BYU team in 2012.
Crowder 26/14/3/5 steals in a win over a much better Georgetown game in 2012.
Markus 51 points on 24 shots in 2019 against a much better USC team.
Markus 53/6 on 26 shots in 2019 against a much better Creighton team.
Markus 45 points on 17 shots in 2019 against a much better Kansas State team.
Markus 45/5/4 in 2018 against a much better Buffalo team.
Markus 52 points in 2018 at a much better Providence team.
That's 8 games just looking at the game log of our 2 BEPOY. Didn't even look at any other games (see: Novak 41 and 16 against UCONN). Should I keep going with guys like Novak, Hayward, DJO, etc.? Or am I just a Kolek hater?
I mean, Scoop is split on whether Kolek even had the best game of an MU player YESTERDAY! The big time Kolek hater, me, says he had the best game yesterday. But not everyone does.
So, Jop's performance is the best or second best since Wade's E8 performance? LOL!
To be fair, I said the best game of a Marquette point guard.
Semantics
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 29, 2023, 02:46:46 PM
To be fair, I said the best game of a Marquette point guard.
And that is accurate.
Lenny stated he was "one board short of the greatest performance by an MU player in almost 20 years." It was a great performance. Extra rebound or not, it wasn't as good as a number of other performances in the last 2 decades.
How 'bout Sam Hauser's 2019 game against Georgetown? He had to play a lot of the game out of position due to Markus being out, and he scored 31 points and added 8 reb against a 19-win GT team. A lot of Hauser fanatics - including Lenny - have waxed poetic about that one, and I agree with them that it was damn impressive.
Coming off the bench to go 8-for-11 from 3 when your team really needed a boost because your leading scorer got hurt ... that's pretty impressive too.
It's Kolek, but Joplin played a hell of a game off the bench.
Kolek is starting to get the Jae and Markus treatment where a 20 and 10 night is just another game for him.
Its TKO.
Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2023, 02:54:50 PM
How 'bout Sam Hauser's 2019 game against Georgetown? He had to play a lot of the game out of position due to Markus being out, and he scored 31 points and added 8 reb against a 19-win GT team. A lot of Hauser fanatics - including Lenny - have waxed poetic about that one, and I agree with them that it was damn impressive.
The #1 (only?) "Hauser Fanatic" on Scoop is you. You're totally obsessed.
And many of you are obsessed with MU82.
Quote from: tower912 on January 30, 2023, 05:24:41 AM
And many of you are obsessed with MU82.
Not many, just a couple. And Lenny isn't one of them. He and I mostly enjoy our back-and-forths.
Of course, he also didn't address my point about Sam's game being at least as good and as important as Kolek's. Nor has he addressed wades' list of performances that pretty obviously were better than Kolek's. I mean, any time Markus scored 45-plus, it was better than a near-triple-double against a sh!tty team, and Jae's performance in big games against good opponents, and Novak's incredible show against UConn, etc.
I'm never all that fond of these kinds of discussions because it's hard to make a point about one player or performance without it sounding like you're criticizing the other player and his performance. I can't speak for wades, but I really, really like Kolek, and I thought he was great yesterday. It simply wasn't Novak against UConn or Markus against Creighton; and I also happen to think the guy who went 8-for-11 from 3 when we really needed a shooter to step up with Kam out, and who completely turned the momentum of the game to our favor, deserves Saturday's SOTG.
Quote from: MU82 on January 30, 2023, 07:42:07 AM
Not many, just a couple. And Lenny isn't one of them. He and I mostly enjoy our back-and-forths.
Of course, he also didn't address my point about Sam's game being at least as good and as important as Kolek's. Nor has he addressed wades' list of performances that pretty obviously were better than Kolek's.
Mike
I'm happy to address Wade's list, your mention of Sam's game against Creighton and Novak's game against Connecticut vs Kolek's 24 point, 93 efg%, 9 rebound, 10 assist, 3 steal game on Saturday.
First, I don't think that it's "pretty obvious" that any of those performances were better than Tyler's. I'll grant that one of Jae's games (all around) was better. The others? Not so. But even if you disagree the fact that they're in the conversation brings them to a level much, much higher than Jop's excellent game on Saturday.
Kolek named BE POTW, I think that settles it.
Don't forget Joey Hauser's "nut punch" game vs Bucky. Quite the performance. 🫣
Quote from: MUBBau on January 30, 2023, 10:28:42 AM
Kolek named BE POTW, I think that settles it.
The Big East don't know ball -like Scoop does.
Quote from: tower912 on January 30, 2023, 05:24:41 AM
And many of you are obsessed with MU82.
Not me Tower. I like Mike, and even when we disagree I'm interested in his thoughts
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 30, 2023, 09:47:11 AM
Mike
I'm happy to address Wade's list, your mention of Sam's game against Creighton and Novak's game against Connecticut vs Kolek's 24 point, 93 efg%, 9 rebound, 10 assist, 3 steal game on Saturday.
First, I don't think that it's "pretty obvious" that any of those performances were better than Tyler's. I'll grant that one of Jae's games (all around) was better. The others? Not so. But even if you disagree the fact that they're in the conversation brings them to a level much, much higher than Jop's excellent game on Saturday.
OK Tony, we'll agree to disagree that Kolek's game was better than Novak's against UConn and several of Markus' big games. And I (among others, including uber-ball-knower Goose) will agree to disagree about Kolek being the SOTG over the guy whose 3-point barrage came just at the right time.
Doesn't really matter what we all think anyway. Just good stuff to debate on a Monday.
82
#1 Never said I said I was uber ball knowing and many on here are far more knowledgeable than I am on that topic. #2 I picked Joplin 100% because he turned the game in a span of a minute or two.
My interest on SOTG is passing interest at best. I thought Kolek played fantastic on Saturday and probably been spoiled by his play this season. It seems like he could be SOTG almost every game.
Not that I care, but I believe the "knowing ball" stems back to my stating certain posters did not know ball. For the record, that still holds true for a number of posters, but the number is getting smaller.
Well, I went with Jop - just so you can all keep debating whether it's debatable that it should definitely be TK.
Kidding - I actually (get ready for this) agree with Goose & others that watching the game - Jop broke DePaul's back and was the stud.
TK's numbers were impressive, and IF he actually got the triple double, I would have made him SOTG. That's not debatable :)
I think we can all agree that TK and Oso are critical to every win for MU - I think I said that after the first couple games...maybe even earlier.
Quote from: MUBBau on January 30, 2023, 10:28:42 AM
Kolek named BE POTW, I think that settles it.
You would have thought... :o ?-(
Quote from: noblewarrior on January 30, 2023, 01:49:17 PM
You would have thought... :o ?-(
Hey, I nose ball!
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Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2023, 01:52:17 PM
Hey, I nose ball!
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Scoop > BE Conference !!!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2023, 01:48:54 PM
Well, I went with Jop - just so you can all keep debating whether it's debatable that it should definitely be TK.
Kidding - I actually (get ready for this) agree with Goose & others that watching the game - Jop broke DePaul's back and was the stud.
TK's numbers were impressive, and IF he actually got the triple double, I would have made him SOTG. That's not debatable :)
I think we can all agree that TK and Oso are critical to every win for MU - I think I said that after the first couple games...maybe even earlier.
who wins star of the game
Quote from: Goose on January 30, 2023, 01:20:34 PM
82
#1 Never said I said I was uber ball knowing and many on here are far more knowledgeable than I am on that topic. #2 I picked Joplin 100% because he turned the game in a span of a minute or two.
Had it
just been those couple of minutes, even if that's what broke DePaul's spirit (which it did), I wouldn't have voted for Joplin. I'm not one to skip the totality of a performance just because of an important few-minute stint. Joplin played well all game, made 8 effen treys, played good D, contested for rebounds, etc.
Also agree that Kolek was wonderful and that he and Oso could be SOTGs just about every game.
Glad rocky made the right choice!
No one ever said that dictators are right 100% of the time ;D
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2023, 01:48:54 PM
Well, I went with Jop - just so you can all keep debating whether it's debatable that it should definitely be TK.
Kidding - I actually (get ready for this) agree with Goose & others that watching the game - Jop broke DePaul's back and was the stud.
TK's numbers were impressive, and IF he actually got the triple double, I would have made him SOTG. That's not debatable :)
I think we can all agree that TK and Oso are critical to every win for MU - I think I said that after the first couple games...maybe even earlier.
Joplin was the only correct answer
Must be nice to sit on high and pass judgement on mere mortal players, deciding who basks in the glory of SOTG and who is forced under their shadow. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Congrats, Jop!
Traveling and missed this one Saturday. Are there any replay links available out there?
Nvm just saw it was FS1. Thought it was our 15th CBSSN of the season.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2023, 01:48:54 PM
Well, I went with Jop - just so you can all keep debating whether it's debatable that it should definitely be TK.
Kidding - I actually (get ready for this) agree with Goose & others that watching the game - Jop broke DePaul's back and was the stud.
TK's numbers were impressive, and IF he actually got the triple double, I would have made him SOTG. That's not debatable :)
I think we can all agree that TK and Oso are critical to every win for MU - I think I said that after the first couple games...maybe even earlier.
So the best game by an MU point guard in 20 (30,40, ever?) - better than any game ever played by at D James, Diener, Doc, Tony Miller, etc. wasn't better than Joplin's game because Kolek had 9 boards instead of 10?
Ya gotta laugh...
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 30, 2023, 07:37:07 PM
So the best game by an MU point guard in 20 (30,40, ever?) - better than any game ever played by at D James, Diener, Doc, Tony Miller, etc. wasn't better than Joplin's game because Kolek had 9 boards instead of 10?
Ya gotta laugh...
Diener put us on his back and carried us to an NCAA tournament victory on a day that Dwyane Wade didn't have it. If you really think Kolek's January game against DePaul was better or more impactful than that, we'll agree to disagree again. And Tony Miller was so good against Kentucky to get us into the Sweet 16 that lots of Marquette fans call that "the Tony Miller game."
But yes, those were 20 years and almost 30 years ago, so point taken.
Of course, if one considers Markus a PG (which he was most of his junior and senior seasons), I'm not sure I'm ready to concede that Tyler's near-triple-double against DePaul is better and more impactful than Markus' 53-point game at Creighton -- a game in which Markus also had 6 assists, including a perfect pass to set up Sam's incredible tying shot.
But whatevs. Thrilled we have Kolek and especially thrilled he put in the work to turn himself into one of the best PGs in the country.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 30, 2023, 07:37:07 PM
Ya gotta laugh...
Agreed.
We disagree on who should have been awarded the super duper prestigious, and always accurate MUScoop Stud of the Game. Certainly something that should always go to the best statistical player of the game, or not...and just laugh.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2023, 08:27:49 PM
Agreed.
We disagree on who should have been awarded the super duper prestigious, and always accurate MUScoop Stud of the Game. Certainly something that should always go to the best statistical player of the game, or not...and just laugh.
*star
I don't post much, but how did Kolek get passed over for this with a near triple double...the likes we have not seen at MU for 20ish years?!? 23 was good, but 11 was special.
Quote from: MU82 on January 30, 2023, 08:03:13 PM
Diener put us on his back and carried us to an NCAA tournament victory on a day that Dwyane Wade didn't have it. If you really think Kolek's January game against DePaul was better or more impactful than that, we'll agree to disagree again. And Tony Miller was so good against Kentucky to get us into the Sweet 16 that lots of Marquette fans call that "the Tony Miller game."
But yes, those were 20 years and almost 30 years ago, so point taken.
Mike,
Never said more impactful or important to our program. Of course Diener's first round NCAA tournament game vs Holy Cross was more important than a late January road game against DePaul. But who had the better performance?
29, 9-14, 4-5 3s, 1 rebound, 2 assists, 1 steal
24, 9-14, 4-6 3s, 9 rebounds, 10 assists, 3 steals
Yes, Holy Cross was #66 per Pomeroy that year, DePaul is #135. And Kolek had 4 turnovers.
But the fact that Kolek did more on the court vs DePaul than Diener did vs HC is pretty easy to argue.
I didn't even look up Miller's numbers vs Kentucky but I'm confident Kolek's were much better. Regardless, those are 2 games in the last 30 freakin' years! Was Jop's performance somehow better?
Sorry I've dragged this on for so long but I'm honestly stupefied that Kolek didn't get nearly unanimous support in this discussion.
No no, the "S" stands for "scorer" you see.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 30, 2023, 09:06:49 PM
Mike,
Never said more impactful or important to our program. Of course Diener's first round NCAA tournament game vs Holy Cross was more important than a late January road game against DePaul. But who had the better performance?
29, 9-14, 4-5 3s, 1 rebound, 2 assists, 1 steal
24, 9-14, 4-6 3s, 9 rebounds, 10 assists, 3 steals
Yes, Holy Cross was #66 per Pomeroy that year, DePaul is #135. And Kolek had 4 turnovers.
But the fact that Kolek did more on the court vs DePaul than Diener did vs HC is pretty easy to argue.
I didn't even look up Miller's numbers vs Kentucky but I'm confident Kolek's were much better. Regardless, those are 2 games in the last 30 freakin' years! Was Jop's performance somehow better?
Sorry I've dragged this on for so long but I'm honestly stupefied that Kolek didn't get nearly unanimous support in this discussion.
OK, Tony, I'll let you have the last word. See ya in the funny papers!
Did not post on this since I am fine with either Tyler or David. Both are deserving. Tyler was out at the bars that night lol but did have 4 TOs. David's went to BC lol and his shots were clutch. Sometimes they do have co rookie's of the year in the NBA but again am alright with either or both.
This guy thinks that Tyler is Stud of the Week for the entire country:
https://twitter.com/CBKReport/status/1620579834295627777
Quote from: warriorchick on January 31, 2023, 09:10:21 PM
This guy thinks that Tyler is Stud of the Week for the entire country:
https://twitter.com/CBKReport/status/1620579834295627777
*mvp
Quote from: warriorchick on January 31, 2023, 09:10:21 PM
This guy thinks that Tyler is Stud of the Week for the entire country:
https://twitter.com/CBKReport/status/1620579834295627777
Guy knows ball.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 31, 2023, 09:10:21 PM
This guy thinks that Tyler is Stud of the Week for the entire country:
https://twitter.com/CBKReport/status/1620579834295627777
You found the one person on Twitter that is wrong about something.
One last thought on STOG for the DePaul game. I went to the game with a bunch of DePaul fans and others who had no steak in the game (in addition to my MU family). Despite Joplin going off from three, the only person they couldn't stop talking about after the game was TK and how he dominated DePaul. From an outside perspective he was the clear stud. But what a great problem to have this year as others have said. I would have picked Joplin too because during the entirety of the game we needed his scoring to stay close and then break Depauls will at the end.
Fortunately we have bigger picture fish to fry like Big East titles to win and final fours to get to and then TK will get his due with some real hardware. He will be the stud of the season/year for MU with Oso being a close second.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 01, 2023, 09:13:50 AM
One last thought on STOG for the DePaul game. I went to the game with a bunch of DePaul fans and others who had no steak in the game (in addition to my MU family). Despite Joplin going off from three, the only person they couldn't stop talking about after the game was TK and how he dominated DePaul. From an outside perspective he was the clear stud. But what a great problem to have this year as others have said. I would have picked Joplin too because during the entirety of the game we needed his scoring to stay close and then break Depauls will at the end.
Fortunately we have bigger picture fish to fry like Big East titles to win and final fours to get to and then TK will get his due with some real hardware. He will be the stud of the season/year for MU with Oso being a close second.
Your post made me hungry for surf & turf.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2023, 09:41:55 AM
Your post made me hungry for surf & turf.
Ha! It did have steak (should be stake) and fish in it!
Ha! It did have steak (should be stake) and fish in it!