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At least a half dozen guys on this team have a plausible shot at playing in the association someday. Not all of them will, and for some of them it might just be a cup of coffee, but who from this team will end up with the most NBA success?

My money is on Chase - his flashes (like on Sat) are the most high-level to me. Reminds be a bit of a young Wade...

I think Chase is the clear cut most likely to have a sustained NBA career.

I think Oso/Omax/Kam/TK will all at least step on a court at some point.

Chase looks the part but way too early to choose him as more likely to go to the NBA when you have guys like Omax and Oso on the team.

I will stay on the OMax train. 

Quote from: Tha Hound on January 23, 2023, 12:58:05 PM
Chase looks the part but way too early to choose him as more likely to go to the NBA when you have guys like Omax and Oso on the team.

That was my thinking.

Quote from: tower912 on January 23, 2023, 01:06:15 PM
I will stay on the OMax train. 

That also was my thinking.

I think with what Kam can do on the offensive end.....there will be a place for him in the league.

Quote from: Tha Hound on January 23, 2023, 12:58:05 PM
Chase looks the part but way too early to choose him as more likely to go to the NBA when you have guys like Omax and Oso on the team.

But that's not the question.  " who from this team will end up with the most NBA success?"

And to that, I agree with Ross.  Seems to have the height and skills to EVENTAULLY be in the NBA a while. Oso and Omax may get their first (but no guarantee either), and have some success.

Went with Ross. The other guys have a chance to latch on with someone and find a good fit but I think Ross has the potential to be a first round pick.

With lots of our polls, we get to find out pretty quickly who was right. This one's gonna require big-time patience.

This scoop poll is going right in the middle of TK's already-crowded bulletin board.

I took the field. Ben Gold has the best long term upside.

I also get a pair of athletic lottery tickets with Emarion and Keeyan.  Super longshots but they at least have the right physical gifts.

Currently omax is the most likely candidate, and may go after this season.

Oso can if he extends his range to the 3 point line and mid range shot.

Chase shows flashes of being very good, and may some day see his number retired at marquette. But it's waaaay to early to predict any of that.

I love kolek, but he's going to Europe.

Taking the field for Ben Gold alone

Voted Oso.  He can defend 5 positions and is still so young.  One more year of strength and conditioning and skill work - I like how he projects despite not showing a perimeter shot at this stage.

Chase and Ben Gold were choices 2 and 3.

Quote from: CountryRoads on January 23, 2023, 01:53:03 PM
Went with Ross. The other guys have a chance to latch on with someone and find a good fit but I think Ross has the potential to be a first round pick.

You may well be right, and I don't want to sleep on Ross. I do feel, however, that some of the reason why he has made such a quick breakthrough is that there's so many weapons in this MU offense arsenal, to the point opposing defenses have to focus on making Kolek a shooter (and that's failing), taking away OSO's game (also fail), deal with OMax's versatility, and limiting Kam's ability to get to the rim or launch open threes (fail, fail). Ross is the beneficiary of all this chaos produced. The real test will be when at least two of our mainstays move on. That said, he's a winner and extremely talented in his own right. Another gem uncovered by Shaka.

Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 23, 2023, 03:37:42 PM
Currently omax is the most likely candidate, and may go after this season.

Oso can if he extends his range to the 3 point line and mid range shot.

Chase shows flashes of being very good, and may some day see his number retired at marquette. But it's waaaay to early to predict any of that.

I love kolek, but he's going to Europe.

Kolek is gonna play in Europe for a LONG time.  He reminds me of a slightly smaller Nick Calathes.

Omax has made great strides but I don't think he's anywhere near leaving yet.  Maybe after next year unless its DJ Carton planning to develop further in the G League style

O-Max reminds me of Jerami Grant when he was at Syracuse. Long, athletic wing who does a little bit of everything.

It's Chase for me. He has the athleticism, the defensive instincts, and the pop you can't teach. Also has the confidence and shooting (which can still improve but is already noticeably better). He's a pro.

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 23, 2023, 03:39:58 PM
Taking the field for Ben Gold alone

I think Chase is the right answer but Ben should be one of the options.  I put his NBA potential at third behind Ross and OMax

Does anyone need me to start the HOF thread?

Also, Chase is my choice. Although I could see OMax getting some time with an improved 3P%.

For one guy having a long NBA career, I would go with Gold. I know I am in the minority, but it sure looks like he checks a lot of boxes for having a very successful career.

Ross sure is looking good and it looks like he has a lot of upside in his game. He is going to be a lot of fun to watch and see how far he goes.

Good news, they might 4-5 guys that get a chance in the NBA down the road. An exciting time to be a MU fan.

Quote from: Goose on January 23, 2023, 07:51:06 PM
For one guy having a long NBA career, I would go with Gold. I know I am in the minority, but it sure looks like he checks a lot of boxes for having a very successful career.

You may be alone in that minority.

This is truly a difficult question.  When I look at NBA potential (outside of the obvious like size) I focus on how these guys accelerate and score/create off the dribble, can they defend multiple positions, and whether they can shoot from distance.

I wouldn't overlook Kam in this discussion because I think he can improve aa a creator off the bounce. He has good size and is the most natural scorer on our roster. 

Oso is the most intriguing candidate. His passing and ball-handling are tremendous assets.  Can he develop a face up game and extend ir to the 3pt line?  Defensively I think he's our best pro prospect.

OMax seems to be a bit small for his overall skill-set but at the same time can get up and down tbe floor and excel in the transition game.  That said I think he could struggle a bit in NBA iso ball and attacking off the bounce at that level.

Ross to me has the potential to be the entire package and I love his overall poise at such a young age.  I believe he can be an elite defender and certainly has the athleticism to make it to the next level.  He also can be a multidimensional scorer.  His passing and running the high pick and roll is what I would like to see him add to his arsenal.

Lastly, I would not sleep on Gold.  He has a solid stroke  and moves very well for a big man.   He's nowhere near his potential right now and will get much stronger and more comfortable in general.  It would not surprise me if he develops into a prototypical pick and pop stretch 4.

If I had to pick one I think I'd lean Chaee Ross but again this is unusually difficult to figure out. 

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 23, 2023, 06:26:09 PM
I think Chase is the right answer but Ben should be one of the options.  I put his NBA potential at third behind Ross and OMax

Like the others who picked it I wanted to leave a little juice for the field - thought about leaving TK for the field too but didn't want to end up with a bullseye on the bulletin board.

It's a difficult question because none of them are sure fire picks to stick in the NBA at all.  At this point they all have things that will keep them from being pros, which is why the answer might be Chase, because he has more time than most to develop and fill in those holes.  We have a lot of guys who could get there, but who all need work to get there.

OMax has the length, athleticism, and ability to defend multiple positions.  He'll need to develop his jumper and become more than a straight line driver.
Oso has just just about everything, but hasn't shown he can score from outside 5 feet and isn't a strong rebounder for an interior player.
Kolek is an awesome college player and controls the floor, but his lack of scoring and athleticism make it hard for him to get to the NBA.
Chase has the athleticism and plays very under control, but we'll need to see what he can become when his usage goes up.
Gold has the height and has some promising offensive skills, but he's got a long way to go in terms of athleticism and strength.
Kam is by far the most complete scorer on the team, but he's not overly athletic and needs to develop his playmaking for others to play in the NBA at his size.

If the wins keep coming and the style of play continues to be this fun, someday we'll have players that we have zero doubt will stick in the NBA.

If I had to pick one, I'd say Kam.  If Oso were to develop a perimeter jumper then it's him by a wide margin.

In order of what I think will be their NBA success:
Ross - has the size, build, athleticism, and shooting looks good.  Comp:  Butler
Gold - size, shooting... if he continues to develop will be an NBA stretch 4.  Comp:  Novak
Oso - size, athleticism, handles great for his size... needs to prove he can shoot.  Not very many undersized 4's in the NBA who can't shoot.  Lots who are good shooters.  If he doesn't develop a shot, he's Ben Simmons... point/power forward. 
Omax - size, athleticism, defense are all there.  Shooting needs work.  Best is a D&3 guy if he can reliably make 3s.  Comp:  Crowder
Kolek - Goes to the top of this list if he can take over games the way Jason Kidd could.  Remember, Kidd couldn't shoot until about year 6 or 7 of his NBA career.  If not, he has a Diener type career
Kam - release is too slow for NBA, plays below the rim.  Most of the crafty layup stuff he gets away with at NCAA level just gets swatted by NBA help defenders.  Love him at the D1 level, but professionally he's DJO (who I also enjoy tremendously) with 21 NBA minutes. 

Quote from: WarriorFan on January 24, 2023, 12:12:28 PM
If not, he has a Diener type career

Hah.  5 years and ~$6M in the NBA would be great! Who wouldn't take that guarantee?

I said after his first game that Chase was the only one on this team that had NBA talent. I still think he has the best shot, but I now believe others have a chance to play in NBA.

I think many of these guys will get a cup of coffee, I don't think there's as much of an elite gap between euros & g league as there used to be. The question should probably be which guys have a shot at actually sticking long term.

I can't say that I have any clue what it takes to make it to an NBA roster but to date I just have not seen what others see in Gold. He seems like a nice player but it also seems like he is just lost out there at times. I know he's young and will develop but unless he improves by leaps and bounds I would be really surprised if he is the most successful out of this crew.

Quote from: The Thing on January 24, 2023, 02:59:59 PM
I can't say that I have any clue what it takes to make it to an NBA roster but to date I just have not seen what others see in Gold. He seems like a nice player but it also seems like he is just lost out there at times. I know he's young and will develop but unless he improves by leaps and bounds I would be really surprised if he is the most successful out of this crew.

He's tall, can shoot, and has surprising bounce. Look at the draft the last few years.

There's so many "Wtf, how did he get drafted?" picks because of potential/athleticism.

It's why guys like Markus and Myles Powell were never even in the draft conversation when Paul Reed and Jay Scrubb do.

Quote from: The Thing on January 24, 2023, 02:59:59 PM
I can't say that I have any clue what it takes to make it to an NBA roster but to date I just have not seen what others see in Gold. He seems like a nice player but it also seems like he is just lost out there at times. I know he's young and will develop but unless he improves by leaps and bounds I would be really surprised if he is the most successful out of this crew.

He's 6'11, can handle the ball (though not well enough yet), is surprisingly athletic, and is supposedly a sniper in practice (hasn't manifested in games yet). It's a lot easier to make the NBA as a near 7 footer who shoots threes. Is he good enough now? Not even close. Do I see the potential? Yep

I'll co-sign with Chitown and TAMU. 6-11 with even a hint of ball handling, shooting, and athleticism is someone NBA teams will monitor.

TAMU

I think Gold is going to have a great college career and make a lot of money down the road. In addition to what you stated, the two baseline dunks he has had this year showed me that he is much tougher than frame indicates. He went to the whole with big time authority. I also think he has some of the Kolek fxxk 'em personality.

Once he becomes a sniper on a consistent basis, a whole lot of options will open up for him and the offense. Lastly, he has shot poorly and that has not taken his finger off of the trigger. Another good sign, IMO.

Quote from: Goose on January 24, 2023, 04:38:49 PM
TAMU

I think Gold is going to have a great college career and make a lot of money down the road. In addition to what you stated, the two baseline dunks he has had this year showed me that he is much tougher than frame indicates. He went to the whole with big time authority. I also think he has some of the Kolek fxxk 'em personality.

Once he becomes a sniper on a consistent basis, a whole lot of options will open up for him and the offense. Lastly, he has shot poorly and that has not taken his finger off of the trigger. Another good sign, IMO.

Gold is shooting 50% on 3's in Big East play, albeit a small sample size of 5 for 10, but that's better than his nonconference play.  Personally, I've felt Shaka has had too quick of hook with Ben, and too long of leash with Joplin.

As others have said - 6'11" with ball-handling ability and good shooting stroke from distance and 19-20 years old?  Those guys are definitely on the radar for NBA teams.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 24, 2023, 04:59:52 PM
Gold is shooting 50% on 3's in Big East play, albeit a small sample size of 5 for 10, but that's better than his nonconference play.  Personally, I've felt Shaka has had too quick of hook with Ben, and too long of leash with Joplin.

As others have said - 6'11" with ball-handling ability and good shooting stroke from distance and 19-20 years old?  Those guys are definitely on the radar for NBA teams.

I agree with this.  There is too short a hook with him.  Also when Ben is in the game, during the first three offensive possessions they need to get him the ball on the pick and pop.  If he drills his first shot or even just takes it with confidence give him some more rope.  He will likely play D better and be less tentative on offense if he is involved right away. 

Quote from: The Thing on January 24, 2023, 02:59:59 PM
I can't say that I have any clue what it takes to make it to an NBA roster but to date I just have not seen what others see in Gold. He seems like a nice player but it also seems like he is just lost out there at times. I know he's young and will develop but unless he improves by leaps and bounds I would be really surprised if he is the most successful out of this crew.

Best case scenario he is another Brook Lopez.

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 25, 2023, 06:20:59 AM
I agree with this.  There is too short a hook with him.  Also when Ben is in the game, during the first three offensive possessions they need to get him the ball on the pick and pop.  If he drills his first shot or even just takes it with confidence give him some more rope.  He will likely play D better and be less tentative on offense if he is involved right away.

Agree.  Ben gets pulled too fast. 

Quote from: bilsu on January 25, 2023, 02:02:12 PM
Best case scenario he is another Brook Lopez.

He has way more bounce than Brook

I am all aboard the Kiwi-mobile. I've posted multiple times about his potential. But I wouldn't say he's getting pulled too fast. Like most coaches, Shaka tightens his rotations as we get deeper in the season. Ben is the odd man out this season. It happened to Joplin last season...fast forward a year and he's one of the most utilized sixth men in the country. I think we could see a similar jump for Ben next season.

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 25, 2023, 03:45:05 PM
He has way more bounce than Brook

Brook's got plenty of bounce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6R9A6EvHg0

But the two are nothing like each other.  Brook is a mammoth human being who can't be moved and is a great help defender, while offensively can play with his back to the basket, can hit the mid range Dirk type fade, and can hit the long range.  Ben is a pick and pop guy who attacks the closeout every once in a while.  He's long enough that he blocks shots when guarding the ball, but hasn't done much as a help defender like Brook.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 25, 2023, 04:04:50 PM
I am all aboard the Kiwi-mobile. I've posted multiple times about his potential. But I wouldn't say he's getting pulled too fast. Like most coaches, Shaka tightens his rotations as we get deeper in the season. Ben is the odd man out this season. It happened to Joplin last season...fast forward a year and he's one of the most utilized sixth men in the country. I think we could see a similar jump for Ben next season.

Sorry TAMU, but if you were really a knower of ball, you'd demonstrate that you know far more about Ben Gold than our coach does.

Ben looks like a good kid with the potential to be a nice college player - but I just don't see how that frame transforms into the type of athlete you need to be for today's association. I know it's not a perfect comp - but I wonder if Novak gets as much time (or even a look) in today's NBA. He was a very circumstance-based player even then and foot-slow bigs just seem to be too much of a liability even if they can score.

Quote from: 1SE on January 26, 2023, 04:44:56 AM
Ben looks like a good kid with the potential to be a nice college player - but I just don't see how that frame transforms into the type of athlete you need to be for today's association. I know it's not a perfect comp - but I wonder if Novak gets as much time (or even a look) in today's NBA. He was a very circumstance-based player even then and foot-slow bigs just seem to be too much of a liability even if they can score.

Novak was nowhere remotely close to Ben's level of athleticism.

But was a billion times the shooter. Novak would've made much more today than he did even when he was playing not long ago. Nearly 7' sniper shooter? Wish the Bucks had that.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 26, 2023, 07:18:39 AM
But was a billion times the shooter. Novak would've made much more today than he did even when he was playing not long ago. Nearly 7' sniper shooter? Wish the Bucks had that.

Agreed, the only thing that Novak and Gold have in common is they're both tall white guys.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 26, 2023, 07:37:58 AM
Agreed, the only thing that Novak and Gold have in common is they're both tall white guys.

And Gold probably isn't overly concerned with yard signs