Tonight's spread.
Can't complain about not getting respect.
Defending BE Champ coming to town.
Biggest game in Shaka's tenure?
2003 Final Four squad deserves this dub.
For old times sake-
Shaka makes us dream
History we must redeem
Unrelenting souls
Tea leaves seem to be that Bynum is out. Hopkins more up in the air but trending in the wrong direction (for PC).
If both are out, PC will be in a jam. Cooley has been going 10 deep in Big East play...but maxxing the minutes of the top 6 and cutting the minutes of 7/8 to about 10 a game and 9/10 to less than 5 a game. The bottom four haven't produced at all since Big East play started. They're there to give the top 6 a quick breather and not F up too badly. If 2 of the top 6 are out, they will all need to play big minutes.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 17, 2023, 11:56:11 PM
Tea leaves seem to be that Bynum is out. Hopkins more up in the air but trending in the wrong direction (for PC).
If both are out, PC will be in a jam. Cooley has been going 10 deep in Big East play...but maxxing the minutes of the top 6 and cutting the minutes of 7/8 to about 10 a game and 9/10 to less than 5 a game. The bottom four haven't produced at all since Big East play started. They're there to give the top 6 a quick breather and not F up too badly. If 2 of the top 6 are out, they will all need to play big minutes.
What are the injuries?
Quote from: DoctorV on January 18, 2023, 12:04:35 AM
What are the injuries?
Bynum been out with an abdominal injury. Hopkins a new undisclosed ankle injury
Bynum went up to contest either a lob pass or a rebound with Clingan. (I was watching and don't remember which. He jumped really high banging with the big guy) He came down holding his ribs. In the moment, I thought he had caught an elbow. He hasn't played since.
Hopkins had ankle issues at Kentucky.
What do u mean not getting respect? Providence not?
I'm not a betting man, but its a -7.5 spread pretty large for a game between two of the four top teams?
I was really looking forward to a rematch with a healthy Providence. The game sucks now.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 18, 2023, 08:53:33 AM
I'm not a betting man, but its a -7.5 spread pretty large for a game between two of the four top teams?
Typically yes.
But I believe they were 6/6.5 pt dogs at Creighton saturday too. So considering Hopkins being iffy and us being more consistent than Creighton at this point its lining up
If Hopkins doesn't play why doesn't Providence postpone like Northwestern did against Michigan?
But $100 on MU -6.5
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2023, 09:23:44 AM
If Hopkins doesn't play why doesn't Providence postpone like Northwestern did against Michigan?
Because they would still have plenty of players available.
If you bet, bet the Under 152.5....
No hopkins and Bynum means no offense, and more defensive lineups for Providence. -7.5 is questionable, PC is still solid NET rating wise without both of these guys.
Quote from: jfp61 on January 18, 2023, 09:31:43 AM
If you bet, bet the Under 152.5....
No hopkins and Bynum means no offense, and more defensive lineups for Providence. -7.5 is questionable, PC is still solid NET rating wise without both of these guys.
Those 2 guys aren't out, they are questionable.
Hopkins is probably going to play.
T Rank has Marquette favored by 8. The line looks right to me.
If Bynum and Hopkins don't play, should be an easy cover.
Quote from: bilsu on January 18, 2023, 09:01:23 AM
I was really looking forward to a rematch with a healthy Providence. The game sucks now.
...especially if we lose.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 18, 2023, 09:38:27 AM
...especially if we lose.
Even if they play, it'll hurt our seeding if we win. I'd probably lose just to help the Big East and Providence's numbers which in the long run will help us as long as we win at UConn and Creighton
Quote from: bilsu on January 18, 2023, 09:01:23 AM
I was really looking forward to a rematch with a healthy Providence. The game sucks now.
No one is going to care who played and didn't play in this game come March. Just get the win and move onto Saturday.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2023, 09:33:30 AM
Those 2 guys aren't out, they are questionable.
Hopkins is probably going to play.
PC adjusted offense is 12th at home and 53rd on the road. PC's defense is 97th at home and 39th on the road.
PC adjusted offense is 17th with Hopkins and 90th without him. PC's defense is 94th with Hopkins and 7th without him.
Hopkins overall impact on the line is low, his impact on the total is more.
Also i am seeing it getting activly bet down. its at 151.5 with tiny juice under.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 18, 2023, 09:45:28 AM
No one is going to care who played and didn't play in this game come March. Just get the win and move onto Saturday.
Exactly. Attack, Attack, Attack, and get the W.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2023, 09:41:38 AM
Even if they play, it'll hurt our seeding if we win. I'd probably lose just to help the Big East and Providence's numbers which in the long run will help us as long as we win at UConn and Creighton
Good point.
If Shaka really wanted to do it the right way, he'd lose the rest of our regular-season games but win the Big East tournament. We'd be a 10 or 11 seed and then sneak up on the entire NCAAT field. Championship? In the bag!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2023, 09:23:44 AM
If Hopkins doesn't play why doesn't Providence postpone like Northwestern did against Michigan?
This cant be a serious question
Quote from: jfp61 on January 18, 2023, 09:47:32 AM
PC adjusted offense is 12th at home and 53rd on the road. PC's defense is 97th at home and 39th on the road.
PC adjusted offense is 17th with Hopkins and 90th without him. PC's defense is 94th with Hopkins and 7th without him.
Hopkins overall impact on the line is low, his impact on the total is more.
Also i am seeing it getting activly bet down. its at 151.5 with tiny juice under.
Wish I would've known that before I hit the over.
Next time drop this kind of knowledge a bit sooner please 😂
My first thought was going under, because with the higher energy and emotional impact for the 2003 squad and Wade being in the building I could see a bit of tightness/nervousness offensively, more missed shots than usual on both ends.
Then I said to myself that Marquette has scores 80+ in almost every game sans a few lately, and then when I considered Providence possibly missing Hopkins I thought a blowout was much more in play. Blowout could mean 85+ for MU, which would probably mean 65+ for Providence, which would be the cover with the over.
So I guess I should hope Hopkins plays for the over, but I still hope he doesn't.
Blowout would be the best result by far, with or without bet won.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 18, 2023, 11:08:56 AM
Wish I would've known that before I hit the over.
Next time drop this kind of knowledge a bit sooner please 😂
My first thought was going under, because with the higher energy and emotional impact for the 2003 squad and Wade being in the building I could see a bit of tightness/nervousness offensively, more missed shots than usual on both ends.
Then I said to myself that Marquette has scores 80+ in almost every game sans a few lately, and then when I considered Providence possibly missing Hopkins I thought a blowout was much more in play. Blowout could mean 85+ for MU, which would probably mean 65+ for Providence, which would be the cover with the over.
So I guess I should hope Hopkins plays for the over, but I still hope he doesn't.
Blowout would be the best result by far, with or without bet won.
Best hope is that it is a small sample size, and hope Hopkins plays and Bynum doesn't. You'll need Marquette to score at will, which they can do so who knows. If it gets to a blowout, hope MU plays some of the bench guys with the starting guards.
As of right now it looks like somewhere between 72%-80% of bets are on Providence to cover the +7.5
93% of the ML bets place on Providence per Caesar's Sportsbook as well.
PC board says looks like Hopkins playing, Bynum out...
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2023, 12:45:01 PM
As of right now it looks like somewhere between 72%-80% of bets are on Providence to cover the +7.5
93% of the ML bets place on Providence per Caesar's Sportsbook as well.
And yet, the books have moved the other way since it opened.
% of bets is a terrible metric in comparison to % of money.
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 18, 2023, 01:01:17 PM
PC board says looks like Hopkins playing, Bynum out...
Both were with the starters this morning in shootaround. I'd be surprised if either played 0 minutes, especially Hopkins.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2023, 12:45:01 PM
As of right now it looks like somewhere between 72%-80% of bets are on Providence to cover the +7.5
93% of the ML bets place on Providence per Caesar's Sportsbook as well.
I'm seeing 72% on PC but 70% of the money is on MU, so sharps are likely hammering Marquette.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2023, 01:19:15 PM
Both were with the starters this morning in shootaround. I'd be surprised if either played 0 minutes.
Huh?? Bynum was not with the starters.
It was Breed, Carter, Locke, Hopkins and Croswell. Bynum didnt even wear damn shorts or basketball shoes
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2023, 01:26:12 PM
Huh?? Bynum was not with the starters.
It was Breed, Carter, Locke, Hopkins and Croswell. Bynum didnt even wear damn shorts or basketball shoes
He's rolling today
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2023, 01:26:12 PM
Huh?? Bynum was not with the starters.
It was Breed, Carter, Locke, Hopkins and Croswell. Bynum didnt even wear damn shorts or basketball shoes
https://twitter.com/MHershgordon/status/1615777753004916748?s=20&t=v9RJNMj6tHUL9gs2juRiEQ (https://twitter.com/MHershgordon/status/1615777753004916748?s=20&t=v9RJNMj6tHUL9gs2juRiEQ)
I would pass on the game and the over/under. I like the way Dish plays the games and would be interested with in game bets tonight.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2023, 01:26:12 PM
Huh?? Bynum was not with the starters.
It was Breed, Carter, Locke, Hopkins and Croswell. Bynum didnt even wear damn shorts or basketball shoes
He's been in walkthrough mode each of the past 2 weeks and a game time decision yet again.
Hopkins on the other hand likely never was a GTD.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 18, 2023, 01:40:38 PM
He's been in walkthrough mode each of the past 2 weeks and a game time decision yet again.
Hopkins on the other hand likely never was a GTD.
GE03: Bynum and Hopkins both with the starters at walkthrough today. They're in.
Scoop: Bynum was in street clothes at walkthrough.
GE03: Bynum is in walkthrough mode (whatever that is) and once again a game time decision. Hopkins was never a game time decision (again, whatever that means).
You're speculating yet playing it off like you have some facts that we don't know. Let the process play out.
Quote from: withoutbias on January 18, 2023, 01:49:11 PM
Let the process play out.
Arby's: Let the process play out.
Scoop: What's a process?
Quote from: withoutbias on January 18, 2023, 01:49:11 PM
GE03: Bynum and Hopkins both with the starters at walkthrough today. They're in.
Scoop: Bynum was in street clothes at walkthrough.
GE03: Bynum is in walkthrough mode (whatever that is) and once again a game time decision. Hopkins was never a game time decision (again, whatever that means).
You're speculating yet playing it off like you have some facts that we don't know. Let the process play out.
Who said he was in?
I said I would be surprised to see them get 0 minutes. Could he be out? No $hit. I'd still be surprised.
I have no facts or sources and never claimed to. Just looking at Providence photos from shootaround today and the past few weeks.
He hasn't played in two weeks. I expect that streak to continue tonight.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 18, 2023, 08:53:33 AM
I'm not a betting man, but its a -7.5 spread pretty large for a game between two of the four top teams?
Agree. I would take the points.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2023, 09:41:38 AM
Even if they play, it'll hurt our seeding if we win. I'd probably lose just to help the Big East and Providence's numbers which in the long run will help us as long as we win at UConn and Creighton
If MU wins, Shaka should coach not to cover, keep it below 5 pt win and get that close game win skill. Would help seeding.
Quote from: withoutbias on January 18, 2023, 01:49:11 PM
GE03: Bynum and Hopkins both with the starters at walkthrough today. They're in.
Scoop: Bynum was in street clothes at walkthrough.
GE03: Bynum is in walkthrough mode (whatever that is) and once again a game time decision. Hopkins was never a game time decision (again, whatever that means).
You're speculating yet playing it off like you have some facts that we don't know. Let the process play out.
In the other thread, Galway indicated that they were both game-time decisions (whatever that means?).
Darn, Scoop inconsistent?
I'm not betting, or if I do it'll be a game-time decision (wtm).
Per Rothstein
"Providence's Jared Bynum (abdominal) is a game-time decision for tonight's game against Marquette, per a school spokesman. Averages 9.1 PPG. Has not played since 1/4.
9 PM ET on @CBSSportsNet."
No mention of Hopkins. I imagine he really never was going to miss today. May not be 100% but he was likely always playing.
https://twitter.com/MHershgordon/status/1615864414795698176?t=OJ1uRK7tEQe2Afl_1Qz5CQ&s=19
Hopkins active
Bynum out despite "starting in shootaround" earlier today ;)
Shaka should draw up OMax number early and often if Hopkins starts and is covering him.
Go at him downhill with vengeance and tenacity like a runaway guillotine on wheels for Muggsys sake
Like a polar bear chasing villagers!
The 3 betting guys on CBSSN all took PU with points, though they said they would wait to make sure Hopkins is playing.
We did it. What a night for the over and cover
Vegas never loses
Quote from: DoctorV on January 18, 2023, 10:32:27 PM
We did it. What a night for the over and cover
You can thank Kolek's FTs, hah!
I'm starting to think thes casinos know what they are doing
I don't know how to post images on scoop apparently I just be old.
However, I rarely place big action parlays but I did tonight.
MU over 151,5
DePaul cover +8
UConn/SH under 135,5
122$ paid 727$.
Let's Go.
For the record I really had a DePaul feeling tonight and backed off via "no way that's too loose" feeling.
Woulda paid much more (double?) on the DePaul ML instead of the +8
Nice win doc!
Nice score, Doctor. I am happy that I no longer bet because I would have been 1-2 if picking those plays.
Fun tidbit, the T Rank score predictor nailed the final score exactly.