1. It is tough. The one between MU, UConn, Providence, and Xavier that figures it out wins the conference. Ranked teams have not lost at home in conference. Sometimes, the math is that simple.
2. Xavier played bully ball. They did what UConn wouldn't. Forced the action down low. Never stopped pounding the boards.
3. And doing so got Oso in foul trouble.
4. OMax was a step slow/out of place. Just a little off. Plays he has been making he was just missing and then out of position today. He almost never misses that shot.
5. The bench was not great. Some tired legs from the starters in the second half when nothing would fall.
6. Miller and Xavier made the better adjustments after halftime. More physical.
7. And Boum went the dynamite.
8. TK was the freaking man today. Two road games against the top of the Big East. Two huge scoring games from Kolek. Two losses.
9. Not going to lose a nanosecond worrying about this one.
10. Nothing to do but bounce back and not become the first top team to lose at home.
I hope everybody hit the under hard.
Bummer. Great game by Kolek. Have to compete on the boards.
Too many missed opportunities:
1. Offensive rebounds.
2. Loose balls.
3. Missing wide open 3's.
Freshmen were by and large AWOL outside of some Chase in the second half. X has the size to slow us down.
Didn't execute late and they did.
Go home look in the mirror and punish Providence on Wednesday.
Quote from: forgetful on January 15, 2023, 01:10:54 PM
Too many missed opportunities:
1. Offensive rebounds.
2. Loose balls.
3. Missing wide open 3's.
Yep. The game was right there for us.
You win some, you lose some.
Onto Providence
Fun game despite the loss as we were in it to the end.
Wow, tower is quick.
My thoughts that I posted in the game thread.
We had our chances, but X was a little better. Our first shot defense was great I think, but couldn't complete the stop.
I wish we would have won, but I feel even better about MU finishing strong this year than before the game. This is a good team.
Tough break. Nunge dominated today, no answer for him and wore us down. Kolek was simply amazing. At least we beat Uconn. Still comfortably in the top 25
Sucks but not a loss that's gonna hurt the resume at the end of the day.
Sure woulda been nice to have though...
And unnatural carnal knowledge Sean Miller
Kolek needed a bit more rest today but it was tough cause no one stepped up.
Quote from: forgetful on January 15, 2023, 01:10:54 PM
Too many missed opportunities:
1. Offensive rebounds.
2. Loose balls.
3. Missing wide open 3's.
Exactly this, especially 1 & 2.
Still a great effort against a really good team on the road.
Payback time on Wednesday.
Not the result we're hoping for today, but another good week of basketball for Marquette. They're going to come out and take it to Providence.
Had their chances. Recover and take it out on Providence
Quote from: tower912 on January 15, 2023, 01:09:42 PM
1. It is tough. The one between MU, UConn, Providence, and Xavier that figures it out wins the conference. Ranked teams have not lost at home in conference. Sometimes, the math is that simple.
Wouldnt count Creighton out, who also have not lost at home in conference(currently unranked).
Kolek has been the leading scorer three times. We lost all three.
Marquette was right there. Kolek made up for slightly off games from Omax and Kam. Ultimately, Xavier made plays down the stretch and deserved to win. They're a tough, well-coached team.
UConn crapting the bed today hurts Marquette more than the X loss.
#1. Not aging well....STJ about to beat @ UConn
Quote from: tower912 on January 15, 2023, 01:09:42 PM
1. It is tough. The one between MU, UConn, Providence, and Xavier that figures it out wins the conference. Ranked teams have not lost at home in conference. Sometimes, the math is that simple.
SJU is blowing UConn out right now in Storrs.
48 - 28 says it all.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 15, 2023, 01:17:14 PM
UConn crapting the bed today hurts Marquette more than the X loss.
It's a net neutral effect because we already beat St John's on the road.
Sometimes the ball doesn't go in or roll the way to benefit you. High percentage shots that normally fall didn't. Too many second chance points. Balls that went through our legs.
Like UCONN, Xavier has 2 big men who are Big East ready. We have one and a work in progress.
That, and the fact that X was a little quicker to the loose balls was the razor thin difference.
Not a bad loss, let's bounce back Wednesday!
Good game - not much to be unhappy about - X won so many free balls it was crazy. Maybe Shaka (and Jop) figuring out Jop's driving to the hoop is no bueno..
Quote from: statnik on January 15, 2023, 01:20:54 PM
It's a net neutral effect because we already beat St John's on the road.
That's good for marquette. That game could sneak into Q1 with that result.
Tough game. That was the two best teams in the Big East duking it out and we turned it into a 60 second game at the end which they won. We got plenty of looks that we just didn't knock down. Disappointing, but those are the breaks.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 15, 2023, 01:12:15 PM
You win some, you lose some.
Onto Providence
This is all there is to say. This will be a series split. Anything else would be pretty surprising.
Quote from: AlumKCof93 on January 15, 2023, 01:15:56 PM
Marquette was right there. Kolek made up for slightly off games from Omax and Kam. Ultimately, Xavier made plays down the stretch and deserved to win. They're a tough, well-coached team.
Agreed on Kam especially. Had some wide open looks from three that usually go in. Tough one.
Rebound better and it's a win. Oh well.
As disappointed as I've been after an MU loss in a LONG time. Some odd substitutions and rotations. Some missed easy looks. The quote "50/50" balls largely started out favoring Xavier 65% - meaning they had a distinct advantage toward securing the 50/50 ball based on the carom.
Pretty disappointing to lose 2 road games against X and Providence when Kolek absolutely goes off. On the positive that bodes well for us going forward. Really surprised how Kam started off so hot, and then just couldn't get it going in the 2nd half. OMax had a subpar day. And I'd say Shaka had a subpar game too.
Give X some credit. Nunge and Freemantle were great, even with Freemantle sitting for awhile. Combined 26pts and 21 bounds.
Boum outstanding in second half and you can see why Colby Jones is on many NBA mock first round picks. Jones had 13 points, 8 bounds, 5 assists and two blocks. Very good team with only one guy on the bench, but with a coach who knows how to adjust. See Kolek's second half with Jones pressuring him.
For MU to lose in basically a one possession game, considering how they played offensively was a miracle.
They were out hustled for numerous loose balls and X had many going off feet, legs, arms into their hands.
MU shot 1 for 12 from three in second half and missed nine two footers. All in second half
MU was destroyed on the boards and combined with above, ballgame.
Let's get back at them at home. Have to win the BE home games.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 15, 2023, 01:24:05 PM
Tough game. That was the two best teams in the Big East duking it out and we turned it into a 60 second game at the end which they won. We got plenty of looks that we just didn't knock down. Disappointing, but those are the breaks.
Agree, one stop away from really having a good chance at bringing that one home.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 15, 2023, 01:21:34 PM
Like UCONN, Xavier has 2 big men who are Big East ready. We have one and a work in progress.
Not a bad loss, let's bounce back Wednesday!
Agree with these Lenny. Given the relative size similarity, its too bad that Shaka doesn't feel he can use OMax in a similar way as Oso. That would give us another option to throw players at other teams' bigs, make them run, draw them outside in the PnR. Given his size and skill, OMax finding his consistent role I think will be the largest determining factor in how far this team goes in March.
This was the kind of game you have to take as the road team. And we had plenty of opportunities. Unfortunately, in the 2nd half, we made very few open shots and missed a bunch at the rim.
Quote from: MUBurrow on January 15, 2023, 01:28:04 PM
Agree with these Lenny. Given the relative size similarity, its too bad that Shaka doesn't feel he can use OMax in a similar way as Oso. That would give us another option to throw players at other teams' bigs, make them run, draw them outside in the PnR. Given his size and skill, OMax finding his consistent role I think will be the largest determining factor in how far this team goes in March.
OMax is a better perimeter defender than an interior one.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 15, 2023, 01:27:27 PM
Agree, one stop away from really having a good chance at bringing that one home.
It was a good defensive possession too. Got them to take a contested fall away midrange with Marquette tallest guy in the floor contesting.
Kid just made a shot
Shocking about UConn. Did not see that coming.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2023, 01:30:10 PM
OMax is a better perimeter defender than an interior one.
That's fair. I suppose shifting him down low could take his matchup advantages and make them disadvantages. Part of my thinking was that the game seemed too fast for him today, and I wonder if anchoring him on a matchup vs a 5 for 20 possessions a game or so might help him find his bearings a bit.
This was the first time in quite a while where we played better in the first half vs the second half.
We played a tough team , with a great coach at their loud on campus facility. Took it to the last minute and they won. I would have preferred we won, but overall we played well against a strong opponent .
Let's go and conquer Cooley & Company.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 15, 2023, 01:33:41 PM
This was the first time in quite a while where we played better in the first half vs the second half.
Yep. We looked worn down in the second half.
I am as disappointed as all of you, but give me a high quality game, played at high level and a meaningful game on January 15 for the next decade. That was a very good college game and it was tough task going into the game.
On a side note, we were at Goolsby's for the watch party and great to see a big turnout. IMO, another example of the program building a brand.
X is really good. Looking forward to getting the W when X comes to Milwaukee. Jop had two missed 3s where he didn't follow his shot and likely would've gotten the rebound if he did - little things like that can be a big difference in close games like this.
Got a feeling we're going to see X twice more this year----Fiserv and MSG.
We lost the half-time adjustment game today. They more or less shut down the Kolek drives. No one else showed any signs of wanting to step up. Too bad Kam had such an early flight to MKE.
Despite the fact that this team has outdone itself on exceeding expectations the boards are going to wear us down.
OMax finish 4-9 with 10 points.
Kam finish 5-14 with 12 points.
Kam went ice cold and it was noticable.
Could Gold have been used more this game? He blocked a couple of shots early on and seem to disrupt them a little with his length. Maybe it was a mirage.
I do wish they'd hit him more with a pass on the pick and pop. His theee point shot is a good one.
We went 1/12 from deep in the second half. Until the last two they were all good looks. Make one and the game likely has a different result. Hard fought loss. Pound the snot out of the Friars
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 15, 2023, 01:33:48 PM
We played a tough team , with a great coach at their loud on campus facility. Took it to the last minute and they won. I would have preferred we won, but overall we played well against a strong opponent .
Let's go and conquer Cooley & Company.
Yep, win or lose today doesn't change the fact that we're in the midst of a loaded schedule of 3 games in 7 days. Hope they can regroup and get these next 2. Think we'll feel pretty good at that point if they can get it done.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 15, 2023, 01:34:39 PM
Yep. We looked worn down in the second half.
I agree.
It may be too simplistic but, at the end of the day, I think Xavier's 23-24 year old players had more stamina than MU's 20-21 year olds.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 01:35:36 PM
I am as disappointed as all of you, but give me a high quality game, played at high level and a meaningful game on January 15 for the next decade. That was a very good college game and it was tough task going into the game.
On a side note, we were at Goolsby's for the watch party and great to see a big turnout. IMO, another example of the program building a brand.
It's all good, Goose. We owe Providence big time, and 7-2 will look good after Wednesday night. With all students back, I'm looking for a very loud and very wild night at Fiserv.
Quote from: forgetful on January 15, 2023, 01:10:54 PM
Too many missed opportunities:
1. Offensive rebounds.
2. Loose balls.
3. Missing wide open 3's.
Right on, Forgetful. This is the loss in a nutshell.
A weird thing about us is that we miss several threes every game very, very badly. Like airballs or off the backboard without catching rim.
At any rate, we played well against the #12 team on the road, and lost a very tight one. Not the end of the world, but another golden opportunity lost.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 15, 2023, 01:39:42 PM
Could Gold have been used more this game? He blocked a couple of shots early on and seem to disrupt them a little with his length. Maybe it was a mirage.
I do wish they'd hit him more with a pass on the pick and pop. His theee point shot is a good one.
He's so skinny right now he probably woulda been bullied by Freemantle and Nunge.
I also think Gold projects to be more of a 3 with his skill set, probably not the game for him.
Gold is by and large pretty poor defensively. I did think that having him out there for a bit would not have been a bad idea though.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 15, 2023, 01:21:34 PM
Like UCONN, Xavier has 2 big men who are Big East ready. We have one and a work in progress.
That, and the fact that X was a little quicker to the loose balls was the razor thin difference.
Not a bad loss, let's bounce back Wednesday!
When Oso went out with foul issue, Shaka first brought in Joplin. Freemantle was out also(can't imagine what would have happened if not out). Joplin got abused and Shaka brought in Gold. Gold had a nice block but he also was abused, made a bad turnover and was pulled, back to Joplin. Don't think Gold played another minute. Omax and Joplin back on Nunge and it just didn't work out.
I have no idea about Keeynan and why he is even on the team if he can't play five minutes, heck I don't know if Gold played five minutes. Two seven footers against 6ft7 guys is not a very good combination and it showed.
I also hope someone from the press asks Shaka about the Oso sub with 1:30 to go and gave up four points on two layups. Had to have some reasoning, if not no confidence in other players. Was strange sub.
Shooter
I wish Gold had got some more minutes. I think he has a very edge to his personality and play.
Overall happy with the performance although think we would be conference favorites if we pulled it out. Two best teams in the BE imo and I would have 100% taken being tied with a minute to play going into the game. Boum hits a tough jumper over a great contest from Oso, OMax misses a layup that he probably hits 90% of the time, just didn't get things to fall at the end. Pleased with the 2nd half defensive adjustments but they made some too, still thought we got some good looks from 3 that we normally would hit. Team is still at its best when it is able to penetrate and shoot/kick, just some tired legs leading to not getting enough on shots and winning loose balls.
Would love to be able to replicate the atmosphere that X has at Fiserv, sustained success will hopefully lead to that which continues by getting some revenge against the Friars on Wednesday.
Quote from: nyg on January 15, 2023, 01:43:00 PM
When Oso went out with foul issue, Shaka first brought in Joplin. Freemantle was out also(can't imagine what would have happened if not out). Joplin got abused and Shaka brought in Gold. Gold had a nice block but he also was abused, made a bad turnover and was pulled, back to Joplin. Don't think Gold played another minute. Omax and Joplin back on Nunge and it just didn't work out.
I have no idea about Keeynan and why he is even on the team if he can't play five minutes, heck I don't know if Gold played five minutes. Two seven footers against 6ft7 guys is not a very good combination and it showed.
I also hope someone from the press asks Shaka about the Oso sub with 1:30 to go and gave up four points on two layups. Had to have some reasoning, if not no confidence in other players. Was strange sub.
The fact that Keenan can't even get on the floor after redshirting an entire year makes me think Our scholarship issue is gonna resolve itself real quickly this offseason
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 01:35:36 PM
I am as disappointed as all of you, but give me a high quality game, played at high level and a meaningful game on January 15 for the next decade. That was a very good college game and it was tough task going into the game.
On a side note, we were at Goolsby's for the watch party and great to see a big turnout. IMO, another example of the program building a brand.
Goose,
X earned the W as did Prov a few weeks ago. That said we had every opportunity to win both games. Kam wound up with 2 pts after the initial stretch early. The fact that we were right there is pretty amazing when you consider his final 30+ mins.
The point in the game where both teams looked a little gassed (MU was up 61-58) is where we lost the contest. We didn't execute and played way too much one on one. That was where we should have taken control and we completely squandered the opportunity. The mentality in a hostile environment has to be this is our game and we will drop the hammer when the chances are there. It simply did not happen and that's why I'm pretty upset.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 15, 2023, 01:42:06 PM
He's so skinny right now he probably woulda been bullied by Freemantle and Nunge.
I also think Gold projects to be more of a 3 with his skill set, probably not the game for him.
Except he block shots by both Freemantle and Nunge in his 4 minutes of action. He should have been played more.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 15, 2023, 01:32:18 PM
It was a good defensive possession too. Got them to take a contested fall away midrange with Marquette tallest guy in the floor contesting.
Kid just made a shot
I thought it was actually a pretty easy pull up. The issue I had with it was Mitchell switching. That was a mistake
I will be at Fiserv for the rematch.
Quote from: nyg on January 15, 2023, 01:43:00 PM
When Oso went out with foul issue, Shaka first brought in Joplin. Freemantle was out also(can't imagine what would have happened if not out). Joplin got abused and Shaka brought in Gold. Gold had a nice block but he also was abused, made a bad turnover and was pulled, back to Joplin. Don't think Gold played another minute. Omax and Joplin back on Nunge and it just didn't work out.
I have no idea about Keeynan and why he is even on the team if he can't play five minutes, heck I don't know if Gold played five minutes. Two seven footers against 6ft7 guys is not a very good combination and it showed.
I also hope someone from the press asks Shaka about the Oso sub with 1:30 to go and gave up four points on two layups. Had to have some reasoning, if not no confidence in other players. Was strange sub.
Gold has an 11.7 Blocks percentage. Next closest on the team? Oso at 6.2 Next? Joplin at 1.9. After that? All sub 1%.
Gold will get in the middle and mix it up. He's obviously not as strong as needed, but he will fight. He's much quicker off the dribble than Joplin and a better athlete. He should have gotten more run today.
Quote from: wisblue on January 15, 2023, 01:41:40 PM
I agree.
It may be too simplistic but, at the end of the day, I think Xavier's 23-24 year old players had more stamina than MU's 20-21 year olds.
I think this was a depth issue more than conditioning. The minute spreads look similar, but if you remove the 1 and the 5 from each team (TK and Oso vs Boum and Nunge), the next four guys from each team go:
MU (Kam, OMax, Mitchell, Jop) - 111 mins; 12/33 for 35 pts; 13 rebs; 12 assists
X (Jones, Kunkel, Freemantle, Hunter) - 112 mins; 20/41 for 46 pts; 24 rebs; 12 assists
X's depth was more invovled and provided more winning plays. When we looked tired, we're really talking about Oso and Kolek as much as anything, and this is why.
They're going to blow the doors off Providence
The boards, the boards, the boards!
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 15, 2023, 01:25:00 PM
As disappointed as I've been after an MU loss in a LONG time. Some odd substitutions and rotations. Some missed easy looks. The quote "50/50" balls largely started out favoring Xavier 65% - meaning they had a distinct advantage toward securing the 50/50 ball based on the carom.
Pretty disappointing to lose 2 road games against X and Providence when Kolek absolutely goes off. On the positive that bodes well for us going forward. Really surprised how Kam started off so hot, and then just couldn't get it going in the 2nd half. OMax had a subpar day. And I'd say Shaka had a subpar game too.
We've kind of switched roles on our reaction to this one, as I'm usually nitpicking after losses and you're usually defending Shaka no matter what!
We were a half-step late when there was a loose basketball, we were beaten on the boards as always, and we went ice cold in the second half. But playing the #12 (and soon to be much higher) team in the country to almost a dead heat on the road, and doing so despite not having our 3-point game, I don't know, I'm just not devastated by it.
I also wish Shaka would have played fewer "mind games" with Gold - ha! - but otherwise I have no issue with his lineups. Maybe a little more rest for Kolek, but Sean was bad today.
O-Max hits that shot with about a minute to go or, as Wiz said, a couple of Kam's open 3s go down, and we maybe steal that one.
Miller gambled that by shutting off the lane, Marquette wouldn't be able to make X pay by hitting 3s ... and he won the bet this time. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't make that adjustment even before halftime. It was ridiculous how easy Kolek got to the hoop, and it was hardly surprising that was taken away in the second half.
As a couple of our fellow Scoopers said, I actually come away from this game more optimistic about the rest of the season. We'll be favored in all but 1 or 2 games (not at UConn, and perhaps not at Creighton) for the rest of the regular season, and I think we'll win all those.
Would have been great to win today, but I'm still high on our 2022-23 Warrior Eagles.
I'm not ready to crown this Xavier team. Have a feeling they will take over the February fade mantle.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 15, 2023, 02:15:31 PM
I'm not ready to crown this Xavier team. Have a feeling they will take over the February fade mantle.
Can rename it the Freemantle Fade!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2023, 01:14:01 PM
Kolek needed a bit more rest today but it was tough cause no one stepped up.
And that is a recurrent problem, Sultan.
Someone needs to grow some.
Taped the game watched on a delay.
1. We have an ogre problem.
2. Nunge was allowed to wall us off with his chest all day and when our players did it it was a foul - someone explain.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 15, 2023, 02:41:49 PM
And that is a recurrent problem, Sultan.
Someone needs to grow some.
Sean is fast and good on the defensive end. But his offensive game is limited. Kam isn't bad as a back up point.
But this is why benches get shorter as the season goes on.
They have all grown and improved. That is how MU has the record it does. There is still room to get better.
Three juniors
Three sophomores
Three freshmen
Next year, MU is the bully.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on January 15, 2023, 02:45:44 PM
Taped the game watched on a delay.
1. We have an ogre problem.
2. Nunge was allowed to wall us off with his chest all day and when our players did it it was a foul - someone explain.
😂😂😂
Quote from: MU82 on January 15, 2023, 02:14:19 PM
We've kind of switched roles on our reaction to this one, as I'm usually nitpicking after losses and you're usually defending Shaka no matter what!
We were a half-step late when there was a loose basketball, we were beaten on the boards as always, and we went ice cold in the second half. But playing the #12 (and soon to be much higher) team in the country to almost a dead heat on the road, and doing so despite not having our 3-point game, I don't know, I'm just not devastated by it.
I also wish Shaka would have played fewer "mind games" with Gold - ha! - but otherwise I have no issue with his lineups. Maybe a little more rest for Kolek, but Sean was bad today.
O-Max hits that shot with about a minute to go or, as Wiz said, a couple of Kam's open 3s go down, and we maybe steal that one.
Miller gambled that by shutting off the lane, Marquette wouldn't be able to make X pay by hitting 3s ... and he won the bet this time. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't make that adjustment even before halftime. It was ridiculous how easy Kolek got to the hoop, and it was hardly surprising that was taken away in the second half.
As a couple of our fellow Scoopers said, I actually come away from this game more optimistic about the rest of the season. We'll be favored in all but 1 or 2 games (not at UConn, and perhaps not at Creighton) for the rest of the regular season, and I think we'll win all those.
Would have been great to win today, but I'm still high on our 2022-23 Warrior Eagles.
Lol. Yeah. A nice role reversal. Generally agree with your post here. Just felt Shaka's subs were odd. Like putting Oso back on the game up 6 with 1:30 with 2 fouls. Thought Gold played well - I don't know if they called a foul on him or a turnover on the one drive he made toward the baseline but to me it appeared the ball got slapped out his hand. Joplin's rope is MUCH longer than Ben's it seems.
Thought it was odd Shaka pulled Chase after the steal he made to tie the game. His physical presence was needed with our struggle on the boards and Stevie didn't have his A game today either.
All that aside, yes, the fact we still were in a position to potentially win this game on the road with Kam and OMax off their games is encouraging.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on January 15, 2023, 02:50:28 PM
0 substance, 100% snark. Classic inferiority mechanism.
Because you're just hopeless if you think the refs were a problem today. I can't make you see what you clearly can't.
17-8 2nd chance differential was the difference. Need to grab the ball off the boards or on the floor. Won egf% and turnover rate factors and yet lost the game. Not too often that happens but that has happened in MU's two Big East losses.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 15, 2023, 02:57:36 PM
17-8 2nd chance differential was the difference. Need to grab the ball off the boards or on the floor. Won egf% and turnover rate factors and yet lost the game. Not too often that happens but that has happened in MU's two Big East losses.
👆🏻
Quote from: MU82 on January 15, 2023, 02:14:19 PM
We've kind of switched roles on our reaction to this one, as I'm usually nitpicking after losses and you're usually defending Shaka no matter what!
We were a half-step late when there was a loose basketball, we were beaten on the boards as always, and we went ice cold in the second half. But playing the #12 (and soon to be much higher) team in the country to almost a dead heat on the road, and doing so despite not having our 3-point game, I don't know, I'm just not devastated by it.
I also wish Shaka would have played fewer "mind games" with Gold - ha! - but otherwise I have no issue with his lineups. Maybe a little more rest for Kolek, but Sean was bad today.
O-Max hits that shot with about a minute to go or, as Wiz said, a couple of Kam's open 3s go down, and we maybe steal that one.
Miller gambled that by shutting off the lane, Marquette wouldn't be able to make X pay by hitting 3s ... and he won the bet this time. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't make that adjustment even before halftime. It was ridiculous how easy Kolek got to the hoop, and it was hardly surprising that was taken away in the second half.
As a couple of our fellow Scoopers said, I actually come away from this game more optimistic about the rest of the season. We'll be favored in all but 1 or 2 games (not at UConn, and perhaps not at Creighton) for the rest of the regular season, and I think we'll win all those.
Would have been great to win today, but I'm still high on our 2022-23 Warrior Eagles.
I understand your analysis but I happen to disagree with you. Primarily because when the opportunity presents itself you have to take advantage of these situations in college hoops. We've had two on the road against two of the best teams in the league and came up short. There are no guarantees in this sport and game to game anything can happen. We saw that today in Storrs. Fortunately, we can bounce back immediately with a win on Wednesday but both the loss ar X and the Prov loss are two we could have easily won.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2023, 02:54:50 PM
Because you're just hopeless if you think the refs were a problem today. I can't make you see what you clearly can't.
Your posts are all the same. You don't actually know basketball and can't hold yourself in an argument so you cope by spouting uneducated snark. Now that I know that it's funnier for me when we interact.
Would you like to talk about the game?
I love the hell out of Stevie but that shot he put up after a nice baseline cut near the end was horridible.
Dodds has interviews with Miller and Nunge that say exactly what Xavier did in the second half.
Send three to the offensive boards.
Take away TK's left hand.
X got away with a bit more contact but I don't think the officiating was all that bad. Only one that made me mad was Oso's fourth. Soft-ass call.
Ah crap, I didn't realize it before but this makes our "close game" record worse.
Quote from: tower912 on January 15, 2023, 03:05:53 PM
Dodds has interviews with Miller and Nunge that say exactly what Xavier did in the second half.
Send three to the offensive boards.
Take away TK's left hand.
Tyler is more left than Karl Marx.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on January 15, 2023, 01:42:02 PM
It's all good, Goose. We owe Providence big time, and 7-2 will look good after Wednesday night. With all students back, I'm looking for a very loud and very wild night at Fiserv.
Big time payback, aina?
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on January 15, 2023, 03:02:21 PM
Your posts are all the same. You don't actually know basketball and can't hold yourself in an argument so you cope by spouting uneducated snark. Now that I know that it's funnier for me when we interact.
Would you like to talk about the game?
We have been. You've been whining about something that didn't happen.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2023, 03:21:21 PM
We have been. You've been whining about something that didn't happen.
Who's "we"? You got a mouse in your pocket?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 15, 2023, 02:51:05 PM
Lol. Yeah. A nice role reversal. Generally agree with your post here. Just felt Shaka's subs were odd. Like putting Oso back on the game up 6 with 1:30 with 2 fouls. Thought Gold played well - I don't know if they called a foul on him or a turnover on the one drive he made toward the baseline but to me it appeared the ball got slapped out his hand. Joplin's rope is MUCH longer than Ben's it seems.
Thought it was odd Shaka pulled Chase after the steal he made to tie the game. His physical presence was needed with our struggle on the boards and Stevie didn't have his A game today either.
All that aside, yes, the fact we still were in a position to potentially win this game on the road with Kam and OMax off their games is encouraging.
Good call on putting Oso back in late in the first half with 2 fouls. We were pretty surprised, and it seemed unnecessary. Glad it didn't burn us.
Despite what you and others have said, Shaka occasionally has had a very short leash, and today was a good example. It's a reasonable argument that Ross could have played more, especially with O-Max struggling some.
Yeah, we're basically in agreement here. Our differences are minor.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 15, 2023, 02:59:52 PM
I understand your analysis but I happen to disagree with you. Primarily because when the opportunity presents itself you have to take advantage of these situations in college hoops. We've had two on the road against two of the best teams in the league and came up short. There are no guarantees in this sport and game to game anything can happen. We saw that today in Storrs. Fortunately, we can bounce back immediately with a win on Wednesday but both the loss ar X and the Prov loss are two we could have easily won.
The opponent is good. I wish we had won but we didn't. There is absolutely no reason for me to get my undies in a bundle about this, but obviously you're free to be upset about it if that's what you want to be.
Can't believe Kam went ice cold. His first two 3s were pure. I thought he was in for a big day, but nope.
Disappointing result, but not disappointed with this team. They can compete with anyone.
Quote from: MU82 on January 15, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
Good call on putting Oso back in late in the first half with 2 fouls. We were pretty surprised, and it seemed unnecessary. Glad it didn't burn us.
Despite what you and others have said, Shaka occasionally has had a very short leash, and today was a good example. It's a reasonable argument that Ross could have played more, especially with O-Max struggling some.
Yeah, we're basically in agreement here. Our differences are minor.
The opponent is good. I wish we had won but we didn't. There is absolutely no reason for me to get my undies in a bundle about this, but obviously you're free to be upset about it if that's what you want to be.
When Shaka put Oso back in at the end of the first half they attacked him 2-3 straight times ans scored each time because he couldn't pick up his 3rd. We weren't stopping them much anyway and not saying it was the difference in the game but you could argue that hurt our defense even more at that point.
Quote from: MU82 on January 15, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
Good call on putting Oso back in late in the first half with 2 fouls. We were pretty surprised, and it seemed unnecessary. Glad it didn't burn us.
Despite what you and others have said, Shaka occasionally has had a very short leash, and today was a good example. It's a reasonable argument that Ross could have played more, especially with O-Max struggling some.
Yeah, we're basically in agreement here. Our differences are minor.
The opponent is good. I wish we had won but we didn't. There is absolutely no reason for me to get my undies in a bundle about this, but obviously you're free to be upset about it if that's what you want to be.
You don't rock commando, hey?
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 15, 2023, 03:03:25 PM
I love the hell out of Stevie but that shot he put up after a nice baseline cut near the end was horridible.
I thought we had a lot of poor, out of control drives/shots today.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 15, 2023, 03:28:56 PM
Can't believe Kam went ice cold. His first two 3s were pure. I thought he was in for a big day, but nope.
Disappointing result, but not disappointed with this team. They can compete with anyone.
Kam did go cold. Bigger problem was that we got 21-22 OMax today instead of 22-23 OMax.
Quote from: MUeng on January 15, 2023, 01:12:55 PM
Tough break. Nunge dominated today, no answer for him and wore us down. Kolek was simply amazing. At least we beat Uconn. Still comfortably in the top 25
You're right - Nunge was the difference.
No Nunge? We win by double digits.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 15, 2023, 04:02:52 PM
Kam did go cold. Bigger problem was that we got 20-21 OMax today instead of 22-23 OMax.
He wasn't on the team today?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 15, 2023, 03:33:52 PM
When Shaka put Oso back in at the end of the first half they attacked him 2-3 straight times ans scored each time because he couldn't pick up his 3rd. We weren't stopping them much anyway and not saying it was the difference in the game but you could argue that hurt our defense even more at that point.
Shaka was clearly trying to go into halftime trailing. It didn't work, and the lack of a deficit really bit MU on the behind today.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 15, 2023, 02:59:52 PM
I understand your analysis but I happen to disagree with you. Primarily because when the opportunity presents itself you have to take advantage of these situations in college hoops. We've had two on the road against two of the best teams in the league and came up short. There are no guarantees in this sport and game to game anything can happen. We saw that today in Storrs. Fortunately, we can bounce back immediately with a win on Wednesday but both the loss ar X and the Prov loss are two we could have easily won.
So then we should've lost at home to UConn, because the opportunity was presented and the Huskies failed to take advantage of it?
The reality is both teams want to win. Both teams are playing hard. Today we saw two of the top-15 teams in the country go head to head, it was tied with a minute left, and the result went against us. It happens. Boum hit a contested shot over Oso, O-Max's response somehow rolled out.
The team that wins the Big East will be the one that can win road games against top-5 teams while not losing to the bottom 6. So far, Marquette, Xavier, Providence, and Creighton fit the bill but none have earned that elusive tough road win yet. The drawback is we only have two chances left, but hold serve at home and pull out one of the road games at CHI or XL and I still like our chances.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on January 15, 2023, 01:15:42 PM
Kolek has been the leading scorer three times. We lost all three.
Interesting stat. Hopefully as teams try to make him beat them with his scoring the other guys remain engaged. Teams did that last year and Kolek wasn't good enough to score as much as we needed. He's now scoring enough.
Quote from: tower912 on January 15, 2023, 01:32:40 PM
Shocking about UConn. Did not see that coming.
Neither did they!
We weren't going to go undefeated the rest of the way, and this was probably one of our toughest games along with UCONN and Creighton on the road. They were right there in the end, and we had our chances.
You can't help but be fired up by this team.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 15, 2023, 03:14:25 PM
Ah crap, I didn't realize it before but this makes our "close game" record worse.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Our seeding is going down the drain
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 15, 2023, 03:33:52 PM
When Shaka put Oso back in at the end of the first half they attacked him 2-3 straight times ans scored each time because he couldn't pick up his 3rd. We weren't stopping them much anyway and not saying it was the difference in the game but you could argue that hurt our defense even more at that point.
I think you're right. I could see putting him in for offense if he had the chance to make such a switch, but it surprised me that he put him in when we were going on D. And yes, it made for an easy road to the hoop for X.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 15, 2023, 04:52:17 PM
We weren't going to go undefeated the rest of the way, and this was probably one of our toughest games along with UCONN and Creighton on the road. They were right there in the end, and we had our chances.
You can't help but be fired up by this team.
Optimistic and reasonable. What are you doing on Scoop, sir?
Quote from: tower912 on January 15, 2023, 01:09:42 PM
4. OMax was a step slow/out of place. Just a little off. Plays he has been making he was just missing and then out of position today. He almost never misses that shot.
Marquette losses continue to be synonymous with NOMax.
Overall an enjoyable game to watch outside of the hustle plays- would've loved to see some more EGBs in this one, some diving to the floor and getting after loose balls.
One in particular stands out when TyKo want finesse on a loose ball and one of their bigs, I believe it was Nunge, beat him to a ball and saved it in for an extra X possession.
Otherwise Tyler was awesome today. That first half was one of the best, if not the best, halves of his career and it was a joy to watch.
As for OMax, it seems like everytime Marquette loses he isn't quite himself out there. I don't mean to single any one player out, as Kam had a very poor night offensively as well, but it just seems like when he's off the team struggles to win a game.
My main qualm more than anything else is the rebounding. 4 boards tonight and 5 or less in 5 of the 8 BE games.
The young fella is 6'8 230. If Tyler and Stevie are matching him on the glass we have a problem.
Marquette lost this game on the glass, and in the loose balls. Rebounding, after all, is far and away this teams weakest link.
When your main lineup features 3 guards, and you're playing a team with two good bigs like Marquette will play several times in the BE, you cannot have OMax get 4 rebounds and come close in the rebounding battle.
In the next one, Bryce Hopkins, who is 6'7 220 and nowhere near as built as OMax, awaits. The same Bryce Hopkins who has 5 double double in their last 10 games. The same Bryce Hopkins who went for 29&23 last time he saw OMax.
Time to step up at home and get that one back.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 15, 2023, 04:06:46 PM
So then we should've lost at home to UConn, because the opportunity was presented and the Huskies failed to take advantage of it?
The reality is both teams want to win. Both teams are playing hard. Today we saw two of the top-15 teams in the country go head to head, it was tied with a minute left, and the result went against us. It happens. Boum hit a contested shot over Oso, O-Max's response somehow rolled out.
The team that wins the Big East will be the one that can win road games against top-5 teams while not losing to the bottom 6. So far, Marquette, Xavier, Providence, and Creighton fit the bill but none have earned that elusive tough road win yet. The drawback is we only have two chances left, but hold serve at home and pull out one of the road games at CHI or XL and I still like our chances.
Brew,
I feel strongly that we controlled UCONN at Fiserv. I also feel strongly that unlike the other BEast teams we were in prime position to beat Providence and also let one get away this morning .
Muggsy
IMO if they pulled out this one it would have been far bigger win than UConn earlier this week. Today was a tough ask and they almost pulled it out. No moral victory, but I am not going to dwell on it. They need to regroup and get the win on Wednesday.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 01:43:31 PM
Shooter
I wish Gold had got some more minutes. I think he has a very edge to his personality and play.
I wouldn't have minded if Gold stayed out there even if he picked up 3 fouls. He needs to learn how to defend these big centers, and he can pull them out of the middle on D with his shooting. Really need 10-12 good minutes from him every game.
I lost myself in the fight. Nothing to be ashamed of losing a road game against the best of the big east. A couple of buckets drop and we'd still be at goolsbys.
This is the type of game that wojo would have lost by 30.
Overall it was a great game and the better time on the night won. X made the right adjustments, took advantage of MU cold shooting, hustled like it mattered, and didn't get turned over too much. These are the games that make it fun to play in the BEAST. If the jerseys were switched, we would LOVE that Xavier team (except Kunkel).
- Need OMAX to keep up with the speed and complexity of the better teams MU faces
- Need to figure out how others stay engaged with the opposition lets Kolek score
- Most importantly - need to trust the bench a bit more. Ross, Gold, Jones all need the level of trust Jop gets.
On to the next!
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:47:05 PM
Muggsy
IMO if they pulled out this one it would have been far bigger win than UConn earlier this week. Today was a tough ask and they almost pulled it out. No moral victory, but I am not going to dwell on it. They need to regroup and get the win on Wednesday.
I don't disagree Goose but as Marquette Mike pointed out we were 1-12 from distance in the 2nd half. We also got obliterated on the boards, didn't get to loose balls, and Kam scored 2 pts in about 30+mins after his initial barrage. The bottom line is that the game was totally there for the taking for us and instead of seizing it we mentally couldn't get over the hump.
We had so many empty possessions after leading 61-58, it was beyond frustrating. My honest opinion is that losing close games to good teams on the road isn't particularly relevant when you look at the contexts of what happened in Providence and Cincinnati. Hopefully we learn from this one yesterday but it really stings when you look at the missed opportunity.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 15, 2023, 03:06:06 PM
X got away with a bit more contact but I don't think the officiating was all that bad. Only one that made me mad was Oso's fourth. Soft-ass call.
There was a lot of body/chest contact that could have been called either way.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 15, 2023, 08:37:01 PM
Brew,
I feel strongly that we controlled UCONN at Fiserv. I also feel strongly that unlike the other BEast teams we were in prime position to beat Providence and also let one get away this morning .
For most of the second half, sure, but definitely not in the first half.
Losing is never as fun as winning, but there are two teams out there. Both are made up of high-level, Big East athletes. Both want to win. Both have competent coaches (unless you're playing Georgetown). Only one fanbase will leave happy. We have two losses, sure, but they were both on the road and we were tied in the final minute of regulation. We'd all love to go 40-0, but it will probably never happen, and the league is more entertaining when we have teams to compete with us. It won't be as satisfying beating teams like UConn, Providence, or Xavier at home unless we know they are good enough to give us a game. Unless we want to go back to C-USA, we need to accept that while we're good, other Big East teams are good too.
I think after this game teams will
1) take away TKs left
2) deploy 2 bigs whenever they have them
I would bet the farm we see Sonogo and Kilngon on the floor together next time around
has a very good team and Nunge played a hell of a game. Then Bohm took over in the last three minutes when they had the ball. No ball movement in second half and poor shooting. X got all the 50 / 50 balls mostly because they had more hustle in the second half. Still, a tie game with 1:00 left. Nothing to cry about. Just congratulate X and take care of business with Prov on Wednesday.
Quote from: 1SE on January 16, 2023, 06:58:38 AM
I think after this game teams will
1) take away TKs left
2) deploy 2 bigs whenever they have them
I would bet the farm we see Sonogo and Kilngon on the floor together next time around
The 2nd time through the conference will be interesting and a growing experience for the team. This starts on Wednesday.
X threw out their gameplan at half essentially. Slowed it down and banged it inside.
Yes. X took away TK's left hand, collapsed driving lanes and the paint until MU started beating them from the outside. Offensively they sent 3 to the boards knowing that with MU's switching that at least one of the bigs would be on the perimeter.
They made it a slog and it worked.
Nothing to do but learn and get better.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 15, 2023, 03:14:25 PM
Ah crap, I didn't realize it before but this makes our "close game" record worse.
We can joke about it, but our offense gets noticeably worse in late and close situations. We seem to take a lot of bad shots in those scenarios. To be fair, today's biggest miss was O-Max's point blank shot that would have tied it.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 16, 2023, 07:36:14 AM
We can joke about it, but our offense gets noticeably worse in late and close situations.
Absolutely true. And that problem needs to be recognized and corrected.
I don't think our offense was the problem late yesterday. After the under 4:00 TO
1. Chase Ross dunk
2. TK missed 3, Joplin turnover
3. Joplin made 2
4. Oso made 2
5. OMax missed layup
6. Joplin two made FTs
7. OMax layup after TK missed 3
So we had 10 points in seven possessions. (Not counting the one at the very end.) The problem is that Xavier only had one empty possession after the turnover. We couldn't stop them from scoring.
My gripe about lack of execution in close game situations does not apply yesterday.
I did not get the feeling of significant missed opportunity that I did from the Purdue, msst, Wisconsin and PC games.
The last few minutes were two very high quality teams going back and forth punch for punch.
If I were to point at missed opportunity, it would be the amount of second chance buckets gave up. Otherwise I thought we showed great fight against an elite team on the road. No shame in how we lost.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2023, 08:15:39 AM
I don't think our offense was the problem late yesterday. After the under 4:00 TO
1. Chase Ross dunk
2. TK missed 3, Joplin turnover
3. Joplin made 2
4. Oso made 2
5. OMax missed layup
6. Joplin two made FTs
7. OMax layup after TK missed 3
So we had 10 points in seven possessions. (Not counting the one at the very end.) The problem is that Xavier only had one empty possession after the turnover. We couldn't stop them from scoring.
What about the other possessions during the 2nd half? The fact remains we did not play well for most of the 2H. We made a total of two outside shots that I counted, both by Joplin. The game was lost when we led 61-58 and proceeded to have about 10 straight possessions where we couldn't score.
Mildly disappointed that Joplin didn't know where his feet were on the second jumper he made. We really could have used that extra point.
Colby Jones seems to always fly under the radar but he's quietly having a very nice season for Xavier. He's worked hard to become a much better shooter (.440 from 3 this season, by far a career high), he's always been a good defender, he's a willing rebounder, he averages 5.5 assists. Nice size for a guy who would play 2 at the next level -- and I do think he's got a chance to play at the next level.
He'd fit Shaka's system perfectly. Too bad he's on the enemy!
Quote from: MU82 on January 16, 2023, 08:52:59 AM
Mildly disappointed that Joplin didn't know where his feet were on the second jumper he made. We really could have used that extra point.
+1
I said the same thing. Unfortunate.
Quote from: MU82 on January 16, 2023, 09:33:04 AM
Colby Jones seems to always fly under the radar but he's quietly having a very nice season for Xavier. He's worked hard to become a much better shooter (.440 from 3 this season, by far a career high), he's always been a good defender, he's a willing rebounder, he averages 5.5 assists. Nice size for a guy who would play 2 at the next level -- and I do think he's got a chance to play at the next level.
He'd fit Shaka's system perfectly. Too bad he's on the enemy!
He's starting to show up in the mock drafts. Sports Illustrated has him in the first round (#28) and a few of the other big ones have him mid second round. Definitely one of the better big east prospects at the moment.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 16, 2023, 08:37:24 AM
What about the other possessions during the 2nd half? The fact remains we did not play well for most of the 2H. We made a total of two outside shots that I counted, both by Joplin. The game was lost when we led 61-58 and proceeded to have about 10 straight possessions where we couldn't score.
I guess if you choose to redefine late and close how you want, you get to make whatever point you want too!
If this team could string 2 halves together we could win a NC
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 16, 2023, 04:54:01 AM
There was a lot of body/chest contact that could have been called either way.
I've become convinced that a chest bump is no longer a foul in college basketball. If it were, Sean Jones would foul out in 2 minutes. They didn't call it at Providence, they didn't call it against Nunge, they don't call it against Jones.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 16, 2023, 08:37:24 AM
What about the other possessions during the 2nd half? The fact remains we did not play well for most of the 2H. We made a total of two outside shots that I counted, both by Joplin. The game was lost when we led 61-58 and proceeded to have about 10 straight possessions where we couldn't score.
We were tied with under a minute on the road against a team that will be top-10 when rankings refresh today. I think you need more measured expectations. We're not going 21-0 the rest of the way, and that's okay.
Yes, like Purdue and Providence. Close losses to really good teams in their gyms. Micro, irksome. Macro, meh. No real damage. Most teams lose road games to ranked teams.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 16, 2023, 10:33:08 AM
We were tied with under a minute on the road against a team that will be top-10 when rankings refresh today. I think you need more measured expectations. We're not going 21-0 the rest of the way, and that's okay.
No, but I'm with Mugsy on this one (and I think this is another lose.game failure) - we were in a position to realistically win this one late and we didn't. I agree there wasn't anything particularly egregious- but the point is that, yet again, the victory was there for the taking and we didn't close.
It is a HUGE testament to Shaka that we have been in position late (more or.less) to.win every game this season - but there are no moral victories (or even computer victories) in March when it's win or go home time. We haven't shown that killer.instintct yet. Let's hope.we.find it soon.
Quote from: tower912 on January 16, 2023, 10:37:53 AM
Yes, like Purdue and Providence. Close losses to really good teams in their gyms. Micro, irksome. Macro, meh. No real damage. Most teams lose road games to ranked teams.
The fact that our Kenpom didn't budge is a pretty good indicator that it was a meh in the scheme of things. Hold serve at home, win road games against the lower half of the conference. Try and steal one of two of Uconn and Creighton on the road.
Quote from: 1SE on January 16, 2023, 10:49:43 AM
No, but I'm with Mugsy on this one (and I think this is another lose.game failure) - we were in a position to realistically win this one late and we didn't. I agree there wasn't anything particularly egregious- but the point is that, yet again, the victory was there for the taking and we didn't close.
It is a HUGE testament to Shaka that we have been in position late (more or.less) to.win every game this season - but there are no moral victories (or even computer victories) in March when it's win or go home time. We haven't shown that killer.instintct yet. Let's hope.we.find it soon.
<sigh>
Less than a week ago we erased an 11 point deficit against the #6 team in the country. A game that was within about 4-6 points for most of the second half.
But sure. But we don't have a "killer instinct."
No killer instinct. Shaka fails his first test (again).
I apologize if I missed it, but is Shaka's post game presser posted somewhere?
It is much to positive and balanced. No place for that on scoop.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 16, 2023, 09:42:19 AM
He's starting to show up in the mock drafts. Sports Illustrated has him in the first round (#28) and a few of the other big ones have him mid second round. Definitely one of the better big east prospects at the moment.
Thanks for that info. I really like him as a player and I wouldn't be surprised to see him drafted as a 3 & D guy.
Quote from: tower912 on January 16, 2023, 10:37:53 AM
Yes, like Purdue and Providence. Close losses to really good teams in their gyms. Micro, irksome. Macro, meh. No real damage. Most teams lose road games to ranked teams.
We lack the win close game skill, very concerning...
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 15, 2023, 01:13:08 PM
Sucks but not a loss that's gonna hurt the resume at the end of the day.
Sure woulda been nice to have though...
And unnatural carnal knowledge Sean Miller
Miller is a $cumbag
Quote from: MU82 on January 16, 2023, 08:52:59 AM
Mildly disappointed that Joplin didn't know where his feet were on the second jumper he made. We really could have used that extra point.
I assume you are being sarcastic? ...or those 3 missed free throws. Or giving up 17 offensive rebounds.
Quote from: Viper on January 17, 2023, 07:28:26 AM
I assume you are being sarcastic? ...or those 3 missed free throws. Or giving up 17 offensive rebounds.
They were 8/11 from the FT line. Do you expect perfection?
Quote from: MU82 on January 16, 2023, 08:52:59 AM
Mildly disappointed that Joplin didn't know where his feet were on the second jumper he made. We really could have used that extra point.
It's more important for a player to be balanced when taking a shot rather than focusing on whether their feet are on the line or an inch behind it. When he takes a pass and "gets the puppies organized" to take a quick shot he can't be looking to see where his toes are. And on the sideline there isn't that much room between the three point line and the step back to go OB.
Bottom line, I can't blame a player for where his toes are on a shot like that. I'd rather he make the 2 because he's balanced than miss because of making sure he's behind the line.
Every coach at every level of basketball emphasizes taking efficient shots over inefficient ones. Just about the least efficient shot is the jumper with one's feet on the 3-point line -- it's got about the same relatively low chance of going in as a 3, but it's only worth as much as a very-high-percentage dunk.
In practice, I'll bet knowing where one's feet are relative to the arc line is something Shaka and his assistants have talked about and will continue to talk about.
Again, I said I was "mildly disappointed." I wasn't outraged. I wasn't screaming at the TV. I said, "If we're gonna take what's essentially a 3-pointer, we need 3 points from it if it goes in."
Ask Kevin Durant if he wasn't more than mildly disappointed with himself for the not-quite-3 he hit against the Bucks two years ago in the playoffs. The puppies were organized fine ... but the Nets ended up watching from home as Milwaukee won the NBA title.
It was basically a desperation heave in a situation where a 3 pointer wasn't needed at that time. Same with KD's shot.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 17, 2023, 10:23:09 AM
It was basically a desperation heave in a situation where a 3 pointer wasn't needed at that time. Same with KD's shot.
We'll disagree that Joplin's shot was a "desperation heave." There were 2 minutes left in the game, we were only down 4, and there were still about 8 seconds left on the shot clock. He did get away with a blatant travel right before that, though.
KD's certainly was a desperation, last-second shot, but he sure was angry at himself for not having known where his feet were.
Quote from: 1SE on January 16, 2023, 06:58:38 AM
I think after this game teams will
1) take away TKs left
2) deploy 2 bigs whenever they have them
I would bet the farm we see Sonogo and Kilngon on the floor together next time around
I get your point but as far as Kolek goes, Big East coaches have had a year and a half to do this and haven't. I was worried about this in the beginning of the season. I am no longer worried about it because they haven't done it yet. Are they waiting for next off season to make the adjustment?
These opposing coaches are either dumb or it's harder to do than many people think.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 17, 2023, 01:32:08 PM
I get your point but as far as Kolek goes, Big East coaches have had a year and a half to do this and haven't. I was worried about this in the beginning of the season. I am no longer worried about it because they haven't done it yet. Are they waiting for next off season to make the adjustment?
These opposing coaches are either dumb or it's harder to do than many people think.
And there has been a lot of coach turnover.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 17, 2023, 01:50:58 PM
And there has been a lot of coach turnover.
True Dr B. But I assume they having scouting reports.
Last year they stopped Kolek by making him score and he was hesitant. Now he's is scoring and that is not working.
Now people want to make him go right just like they want to make right handers go left. We'll see if it works. They were too dumb to try it the first time I guess. Perhaps they should do the same thing to Kam while their at it.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 17, 2023, 01:32:08 PM
I get your point but as far as Kolek goes, Big East coaches have had a year and a half to do this and haven't. I was worried about this in the beginning of the season. I am no longer worried about it because they haven't done it yet. Are they waiting for next off season to make the adjustment?
These opposing coaches are either dumb or it's harder to do than many people think.
Well, actually, I think they mostly have. It was stunning that Kolek was able to go to his left and get all the way to the hoop so easily against X in the first half. He also had a big scoring game at Providence, and that did include some LH drives, but it wasn't always just a straight line to the hoop with his left. Otherwise, in which game did TK get a ton of easy LH drives? He's only taken double-digit shots in 4 games all season (only 2 in the BEast), and he's only averaging 10 ppg. By and large, teams haven't just let him have his way. As I said, I was shocked Xavier did.
Good points 82. But they are more reasons not to worry as some posters have said about this happening. The good news is we have a good team and other teams have to pick their poison. Coaches know how to scheme us but our offensive efficiency says it doesn't work.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 17, 2023, 07:32:22 AM
They were 8/11 from the FT line. Do you expect perfection?
sarcasm on sarcasm. 8/11 is fine.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 17, 2023, 03:03:06 PM
Good points 82. But they are more reasons not to worry as some posters have said about this happening. The good news is we have a good team and other teams have to pick their poison. Coaches know how to scheme us but our offensive efficiency says it doesn't work.
Agree 100%.
There are teams that present mismatch problems for us. But our guys present a lot of mismatch problems for opponents, too. That's part of the fun of it all.