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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on January 02, 2023, 04:03:23 PM

Title: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Herman Cain on January 02, 2023, 04:03:23 PM
...Right down The Toilet at Carneseca on Tuesday.

An excellent big win would help MU's Cause .
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: tower912 on January 02, 2023, 04:05:04 PM
Elite win
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Goose on January 02, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
You said it, Herman. Get as many road wins as possible, regardless of opponent.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: BLWarrior91 on January 02, 2023, 08:39:54 PM
Let's take care of business and keep rolling. 
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on January 02, 2023, 09:53:32 PM
Why is this game starting at 5:30? Games should in no circumstances start before 6:00CT
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 02, 2023, 10:12:50 PM
6:30 in the apple, still early...probably so Georgetown players can watch us and not be past their bedtime
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: BallBoy on January 02, 2023, 11:32:08 PM
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 02, 2023, 09:53:32 PM
Why is this game starting at 5:30? Games should in no circumstances start before 6:00CT

Double header and at the start of the season Creighton-Seton hall looked to be a better game.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Daniel on January 03, 2023, 12:29:55 AM
Need to win this one - get another W and a road W .   Focus, execute! Goooo Marquette!
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Newsdreams on January 03, 2023, 08:00:51 AM
Quote from: tower912 on January 02, 2023, 04:05:04 PM
Elite win
It will be excellent for the BE
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Milkshakes on January 03, 2023, 08:17:19 AM
They are the #32 offensive rebounding team... got to do better on the glass.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 03, 2023, 08:36:58 AM
Quote from: Hoops92 on January 03, 2023, 08:17:19 AM
They are the #32 offensive rebounding team... got to do better on the glass.

Maybe we could get Rodman and/ or round mound to put on a clinic for the boys.

Actually height isn't a necessity although it does help...duh, but there is a lot more technique and an overall awareness of ball spin and movement off the rim and backboard. Many of the good rebounders study individual players and how their miss'es carom off the rim.   There were/are many of average height who were uncanny
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: CAGASS24 on January 03, 2023, 12:49:27 PM
Will be a tough one at their place -
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Pepe Sylvia on January 03, 2023, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 03, 2023, 08:36:58 AM
Maybe we could get Rodman and/ or round mound to put on a clinic for the boys.

Actually height isn't a necessity although it does help...duh, but there is a lot more technique and an overall awareness of ball spin and movement off the rim and backboard. Many of the good rebounders study individual players and how their miss'es carom off the rim.   There were/are many of average height who were uncanny

The way I've heard Rodman talk about rebounding, he can simply process the angle the ball is gonna go off the rim basically better and faster than anyone in human history. I'm not certain he can teach it.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 03, 2023, 12:58:28 PM
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on January 03, 2023, 12:49:57 PM
The way I've heard Rodman talk about rebounding, he can simply process the angle the ball is gonna go off the rim basically better and faster than anyone in human history. I'm not certain he can teach it.

Yes, I've read that, he did "process" a lot of things "uniquely"
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: zcg2013 on January 03, 2023, 01:17:46 PM
Line opened at MU -2.5. Maybe it's just me but this is something I am going to jump on.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 03, 2023, 01:27:55 PM
Quote from: zcg2013 on January 03, 2023, 01:17:46 PM
Line opened at MU -2.5. Maybe it's just me but this is something I am going to jump on.

They had a close loss to X at home, but yeah, otherwise SJU hasn't been very impressive.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2023, 01:28:53 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 03, 2023, 01:27:55 PM
They had a close loss to X at home, but yeah, otherwise SJU hasn't been very impressive.

They got their doors blown off most of that game.

Made a impressive push. But X was in control throughout
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 03, 2023, 01:29:44 PM
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2023, 01:28:53 PM
They got their doors blown off most of that game.

Made a impressive push. But X was in control throughout

Correct - I should have clarified they had an impressive comeback to make it close.  But still...they made it close.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: muwarrior69 on January 03, 2023, 01:49:29 PM
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 02, 2023, 09:53:32 PM
Why is this game starting at 5:30? Games should in no circumstances start before 6:00CT

I feel the same way when games start at 8pm ct in Milwaukee. Games should start no later than 8 et.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: panda on January 03, 2023, 02:01:08 PM
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 03, 2023, 01:28:53 PM
They got their doors blown off most of that game.

Made a impressive push. But X was in control throughout

Decent talent level but just a brutal lack of discipline. They're a dangerous team IF somehow a lunar eclipse occurs and all of the stars align, but chances of that are so low.

Undisciplined team structure and a true rudderless ship. Marquette -2.5 is free money tonight folks.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: DoctorV on January 03, 2023, 02:34:02 PM
Be mindful of the transition defense and not giving up easy baskets.

Johnnies run more than almost everyone in the country, gotta get back immediately after a missed shot since MU doesn't O rebound well.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: MuggsyB on January 03, 2023, 03:09:02 PM
Quote from: DoctorV on January 03, 2023, 02:34:02 PM
Be mindful of the transition defense and not giving up easy baskets.

Johnnies run more than almost everyone in the country, gotta get back immediately after a missed shot since MU doesn't O rebound well.

This game is all about MU poise and discipline Dr. V.  If we play intelligent basketball we absolutely should be able to dispose of them. 
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 03, 2023, 03:15:09 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 03, 2023, 03:09:02 PM
This game is all about MU poise and discipline Dr. V.  If we play intelligent basketball we absolutely should be able to dispose of them.

God love ya mugs but you forgot to add, come out with our game faces on and play to win  :D
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 03, 2023, 03:54:39 PM
Johnnies do three things on offense.

1. Straight line drive at the hoop for a layup, floater, or pull up jumper (come hell or high water), likely a miss and hope for an offensive rebound
2. Straight line drive at the hoop and pocket pass to Soriano (their best offense)
3. Pass around the perimeter until they get an open three (a few decent shooters but also a few bad ones that are too willing to shoot)

Need to stay at home on Soriano. Don't help on drivers, make sure he can't catch the entry pass and stay in good position to keep him from getting the offensive board. Do that and I don't think the Johnnies can keep up.

On defense, they force a turnover or get scored on. Take care of the ball and we will score and you take away their best offense (transition buckets).

May need more minutes from Sean and Ben than usual. Johnnies run even more than we do and they go deeper into their bench.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 03, 2023, 04:03:29 PM
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on January 03, 2023, 03:54:39 PM
Johnnies do three things on offense.

1. Straight line drive at the hoop for a layup, floater, or pull up jumper (come hell or high water), likely a miss and hope for an offensive rebound
2. Straight line drive at the hoop and pocket pass to Soriano (their best offense)
3. Pass around the perimeter until they get an open three (a few decent shooters but also a few bad ones that are too willing to shoot)

Need to stay at home on Soriano. Don't help on drivers, make sure he can't catch the entry pass and stay in good position to keep him from getting the offensive board. Do that and I don't think the Johnnies can keep up.

On defense, they force a turnover or get scored on. Take care of the ball and we will score and you take away their best offense (transition buckets).

May need more minutes from Sean and Ben than usual. Johnnies run even more than we do and they go deeper into their bench.

Everything about this game screams trap for Marquette, but I trust this team to not fall into the trap.

This staff is good at hammering home the fact that you have to show up more desperate than the teams who are playing desperate.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: MarquetteDano on January 03, 2023, 04:14:21 PM
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on January 03, 2023, 03:54:39 PM
May need more minutes from Sean and Ben than usual. Johnnies run even more than we do and they go deeper into their bench.

You are not kidding... KenPom has them at 5th in adjusted tempo. 
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Jay Bee on January 03, 2023, 04:25:47 PM
Everything about this game screams St John's sucks. Shoot decently & don't turn it over a ton; & we'll be fine
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: MuggsyB on January 03, 2023, 04:36:51 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 03, 2023, 04:25:47 PM
Everything about this game screams St John's sucks. Shoot decently & don't turn it over a ton; & we'll be fine

Exactly.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Pakuni on January 03, 2023, 04:46:06 PM
@JonRothstein
St. John's Rafael Pinzon (illness) will suit up and be a game-time decision for tonight's game against Marquette, per a school spokesman. Has not played since 12/17. Averages 6.1 PPG.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Pakuni on January 03, 2023, 04:48:52 PM
No Curbelo tonight

@NYPost_Brazille
St John's guard Andre Curbelo will not be available for tonight's contest versus Marquette for not adhering to team standards. #sjubb
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 03, 2023, 04:49:50 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on January 03, 2023, 04:48:52 PM
No Curbelo tonight

@NYPost_Brazille
St John's guard Andre Curbelo will not be available for tonight's contest versus Marquette for not adhering to team standards. #sjubb

Lololololol
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: wadesworld on January 03, 2023, 04:52:25 PM
Maybe Anderson saw the film on how he played against Marquette last year.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: DoctorV on January 03, 2023, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 03, 2023, 04:52:25 PM
Maybe Anderson saw the film on how he played against Marquette last year.

Hahah I was about to say he probably still has nightmares from last season.

I'm all honesty though I think it helps Marquette.
An already distracted team with an extra distraction and one less ball handler and scorer, one less defensive pest.

I might lay some action on MU now
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 03, 2023, 04:58:26 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on January 03, 2023, 04:48:52 PM
No Curbelo tonight

@NYPost_Brazille
St John's guard Andre Curbelo will not be available for tonight's contest versus Marquette for not adhering to team standards. #sjubb

And just like that, Marquettes line shrinks by a half a point. Lol
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: CountryRoads on January 03, 2023, 04:59:21 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on January 03, 2023, 04:48:52 PM
No Curbelo tonight

@NYPost_Brazille
St John's guard Andre Curbelo will not be available for tonight's contest versus Marquette for not adhering to team standards. #sjubb

Might be addition by subtraction here.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 03, 2023, 04:59:53 PM
So they play the same disorganized playground crap they for the last half decade at least
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 03, 2023, 05:01:35 PM
Pretty sure I read here how much better Curbelo fit with St. John's and how his issues that plagued him at Illinois were more the fault of the Illini staff.  Weird
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 03, 2023, 05:10:03 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on January 03, 2023, 04:48:52 PM
No Curbelo tonight

@NYPost_Brazille
St John's guard Andre Curbelo will not be available for tonight's contest versus Marquette for not adhering to team standards. #sjubb

Haha, didn't want to get embarrassed again
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 03, 2023, 05:13:46 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on January 03, 2023, 04:48:52 PM
No Curbelo tonight

@NYPost_Brazille
St John's guard Andre Curbelo will not be available for tonight's contest versus Marquette for not adhering to team standards. #sjubb
By far the most surprising part about this is the reveal that St. Johns has team standards
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 03, 2023, 05:17:26 PM
Posh Alexander not starting either.

Mike Anderson trying to send a message apparently.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: brewcity77 on January 03, 2023, 05:23:32 PM
No Curbelo and less Posh might be bad for Marquette. They are St. John's two most turnover-prone players and lowest efficiency rotation players. It also likely radically changes what Marquette was preparing for. I'm more nervous about this game now than I was before seeing this.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 03, 2023, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 03, 2023, 05:23:32 PM
No Curbelo and less Posh might be bad for Marquette. They are St. John's two most turnover-prone players and lowest efficiency rotation players. It also likely radically changes what Marquette was preparing for. I'm more nervous about this game now than I was before seeing this.

I'm equally as anxious for today's game as any other, but I trust this team to come out and play with the same intensity.  Shaka preaches being more desperate than the opponent regardless of scenario.  This plays right into that.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: jfp61 on January 03, 2023, 05:32:13 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 03, 2023, 05:23:32 PM
No Curbelo and less Posh might be bad for Marquette. They are St. John's two most turnover-prone players and lowest efficiency rotation players. It also likely radically changes what Marquette was preparing for. I'm more nervous about this game now than I was before seeing this.

They have the most turnovers by proxy of having the ball the most. maybe one of these backup shooting guards can run point for them.. but thats bold
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Daniel on January 03, 2023, 05:32:48 PM
Gooooo Marquette!
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: brewcity77 on January 03, 2023, 05:53:17 PM
Quote from: jfp61 on January 03, 2023, 05:32:13 PM
They have the most turnovers by proxy of having the ball the most. maybe one of these backup shooting guards can run point for them.. but thats bold

I'm not talking about volume, but percent of possessions they turn over. Curbelo is by far the most likely SJU player to turn the ball over on any given possession.
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2023, 07:49:58 PM
Well earned road win . Second night on the road in a band box arena . Liked how our guys did their Business against The Johnnies .
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 03, 2023, 08:03:05 PM
St. John's appears intent on missing another NIT
Title: Re: MU Needs to Flush The Johnnies…
Post by: Newsdreams on January 03, 2023, 09:05:01 PM
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 03, 2023, 07:49:58 PM
Well earned road win . Second night on the road in a band box arena . Liked how our guys did their Business against The Johnnies .
MU helped BE cause
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