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Love It
It's a fun brand of basketball. Shaka should be able to sell the style to quality recruits. Not sure what high level player wouldn't love this style. Threes and layups, freshman play, everyone is encouraged to look to score, push the pace, dunk everything.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2022, 03:30:12 PM
It's a fun brand of basketball. Shaka should be able to sell the style to quality recruits. Not sure what high level player wouldn't love this style. Threes and layups, freshman play, everyone is encouraged to look to score, push the pace, dunk everything.
Lets see if freshman play next year, if all 9 comeback next year, add 3 quality recruits can you play 12? Doubt it. I may not see time for Lowery or Amadeus(sp) but
I do see time for Norman.
It's has been a breath of fresh air! MU IS BACK IN THE GAME
A good layup leads to good fundamentals
Quote from: genious expert on April 13, 2021, 09:42:48 AM
Went down a small rabbit hole here, but I think we should be prepared for more dunking. I compared Texas dunking numbers vs MU.
(#National Rank/ Number of Dunks/ %of 2pa)
2018
UT: (#8/151/13.7%)
MU: (#146/55/5.3%)
2019
UT: (#11/144/13%)
MU: (#136/59/5.9%)
2020
UT: (#23/101/11%)
MU: (#91/63/7.5%)
2021
UT: (#1/134/17.1%)
MU: (#55/58/7.1%)
MU Last year: (#8/121/13.1%)
MU This year: (#2/70/14.4%)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 28, 2022, 04:02:16 PM
A good layup leads to good fundamentals
This one gave me a good laugh. Well done.
Quote from: genious expert on December 28, 2022, 04:05:44 PM
2018: (#146/55/5.3%)
2019: (#136/59/5.9%)
2020: (#91/63/7.5%)
2021: (#55/58/7.1%)
MU Last year: (#8/121/13.1%)
MU This year: (#2/70/14.4%)
So...with 17 games left to play in conference, we've already got 10% more dunks than we did in any entire season between 2018 and 2021. Yeah, I'll take that. Providence was frustrating. We're going to have frustrating games. I really like where this team is heading and overall they're a lot of fun to watch.
They are just getting started on being dunk city. I could recruit with this style of play.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 28, 2022, 04:48:44 PM
So...with 17 games left to play in conference, we've already got 10% more dunks than we did in any entire season between 2018 and 2021. Yeah, I'll take that. Providence was frustrating. We're going to have frustrating games. I really like where this team is heading and overall they're a lot of fun to watch.
Amen brother.
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 28, 2022, 03:34:13 PM
Lets see if freshman play next year, if all 9 comeback next year, add 3 quality recruits can you play 12? Doubt it. I may not see time for Lowery or Amadeus(sp) but
I do see time for Norman.
Enjoy the freakin' journey that is the 2022-23 season, my friend. Next season will take care of next season.
82
I am going to enjoy the style of play, but the bar keeps going higher in my book. There is nothing more fun than winning. It is time to get over the hump and stay over the hump.
Quote from: Goose on December 28, 2022, 05:29:32 PM
82
I am going to enjoy the style of play, but the bar keeps going higher in my book. There is nothing more fun than winning. It is time to get over the hump and stay over the hump.
We've got a really good team to get behind this season. And we'll have a really good team to get behind next season, too, but I'm not gonna give much thought to next season because I'm enjoying this season too much.
82
I agree. Just saying, we all know they are fun to watch and even the casual fan can enjoy this team. I have wanted this style of play for a long time and have wanted to really win for a longer period of time. Add winning to this style and everyone will be on the bandwagon.
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2022, 05:22:02 PM
Enjoy the freakin' journey that is the 2022-23 season, my friend. Next season will take care of next season.
How can you say that???? We have a major concern of too many good players next year!!!!!! Something that we never had to worry about with our previous coach.. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 28, 2022, 06:00:18 PM
How can you say that???? We have a major concern of too many good players next year!!!!!! Something that we never had to worry about with our previous coach.. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
That's not what the Hauser bois thought, hey?
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 28, 2022, 06:06:09 PM
That's not what the Hauser bois thought, hey?
Why would the Hauser's worry there was too much talent on the roster? They knew none of it would get used due to the idiot coaching, and your M2N boi being a bonafide ballhog and chucker - which of course his idiot Coach wanted.
That aside, it is great to reside in Dunk City, versus below the rim city during the Wojo years.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2022, 06:16:17 PM
Why would the Hauser's worry there was too much talent on the roster? They knew none of it would get used due to the idiot coaching, and your M2N boi being a bonafide ballhog and chucker - which of course his idiot Coach wanted.
That aside, it is great to reside in Dunk City, versus below the rim city during the Wojo years.
You really need to see a mental health professional
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2022, 03:30:12 PM
It's a fun brand of basketball. Shaka should be able to sell the style to quality recruits. Not sure what high level player wouldn't love this style. Threes and layups, freshman play, everyone is encouraged to look to score, push the pace, dunk everything.
My thought exactly. No coincidence that my favorite non-MU team to watch the last few years has been Arkansas, right there with MU on the chart. UAB has also been great to watch, Andy Kennedy has put a fun team together there in short order.
K State there is interesting too. Good start and entertaining basketball after years of sub 65 PPG averaging rock fights with Weber
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2022, 06:16:17 PM
Why would the Hauser's worry there was too much talent on the roster? They knew none of it would get used due to the idiot coaching, and your M2N boi being a bonafide ballhog and chucker - which of course his idiot Coach wanted.
That aside, it is great to reside in Dunk City, versus below the rim city during the Wojo years.
Definitely not obsessed or biased...
No way in hell I ever would have played for Wojo...the Hauser's shouldn't be questioned for leaving...but rather for why they ever chose MU. Sam getting run with the Celtics is impressive...some time with TB was smart on his part.
Yes
Every time Oso dunks I think Theo John would have gotten blocked by the rim. How refreshing is it to have an athletic big man? And that's from someone who appreciates Theo and what he brought to the team.
Thank goodness. I was worried a thread would go by without Wojo getting bashed!
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2022, 06:16:17 PM
Why would the Hauser's worry there was too much talent on the roster? They knew none of it would get used due to the idiot coaching, and your M2N boi being a bonafide ballhog and chucker - which of course his idiot Coach wanted.
That aside, it is great to reside in Dunk City, versus below the rim city during the Wojo years.
What an idiot
Quote from: avid1010 on December 28, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
No way in hell I ever would have played for Wojo...the Hauser's shouldn't be questioned for leaving...but rather for why they ever chose MU. Sam getting run with the Celtics is impressive...some time with TB was smart on his part.
I believe Sam was ok with MU
Only on Scoop do ppl chide KIDS for choosing to play for Tony Bennett or Tom Izzo.
Quote from: The Lens on December 29, 2022, 07:38:32 AM
Only on Scoop do ppl chide KIDS for choosing to play for Tony Bennett or Tom Izzo.
Only on Scoop do people chide KIDS for choosing to go to Marquette
Only on scoop do people celebrate those who left a potentially really good team.
Quote from: The Lens on December 29, 2022, 07:38:32 AM
Only on Scoop do ppl chide KIDS for choosing to play for Tony Bennett or Tom Izzo.
They weren't kids. They were adult men who quit my team. I prefer rooting for the players who didn't quit including the program's leading scorer, consensus all American and BEPOY.
But other label that guy a chucker and prefer rooting for quitters. Pathetic.
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2022, 09:51:24 PM
Thank goodness. I was worried a thread would go by without Wojo getting bashed!
Just a clarification, I was bashing (/teal) the idiot (/teal) who was already worried about too much talent next year....... ;D
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2022, 09:51:24 PM
I was worried a thread would go by without Wojo getting bashed!
No you weren't. You know better.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 28, 2022, 06:31:16 PM
You really need to see a mental health professional
Coming from you this post is the height of comedy!! JayBee made a dumb post. Almost one as dumb as the garden variety offered up by this guy:
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 28, 2022, 10:37:09 PM
What an idiot
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 29, 2022, 08:02:09 AM
They weren't kids. They were adult men who quit my team. I prefer rooting for the players who didn't quit including the program's leading scorer, consensus all American and BEPOY.
But other label that guy a chucker and prefer rooting for quitters. Pathetic.
What's pathetic and childish is an old man who should know better labeling freshman and junior college age athletes - who decided to transfer from a program led by a poor coach to one led by a Hall of Famer - "quitters".
Markus was a great kid, a wonderful representative of Marquette. He won a lot of individual accolades and when he was "on" was really fun to watch. He was an elite shooter, by far the best chucker of the Wojo era. But he, like Carlino and Rowsey before him, was a chucker. No blame to him or the others. They were following orders, running what passed for an offense under Wojo.
This year's team has one starter who is an above average shooter, one who can't shoot at all and three who are below average. And we're one of the top 10 offenses in college basketball, better than the one Wojo was able to assemble starting one above average shooter and maybe the two best shooters in Marquette history. Why? Because the ball and the players move, because everyone is a willing and good passer - instead of four guys standing around watching one guy dominate the ball. One is the kind of offense players run to, one is the kind that good, smart players who aren't the designated Alpha run from.
Lenny
I went to the game with my 27y daughter on Tuesday and she could not stop talking about the ball is always moving on offense and with a purpose. I bitched years ago that MU did not have a system, outside of having a chucker, and that hurt the team. IMO, Markus would have thrived even more in this offense. I think he would have scored as much, if not more, with a lot less attempts.
In looking back, I feel badly that I did not enjoy and appreciate Howard's skills more. The style of play made me angry, and I took my frustrations out on the wrong person. The kid was a talent and that cannot be debated. How he was used definitely can be debated.
The offense under Shaka is going to attract big time players, if they are willing to play defense, and they will only get better. This style of play is what most kids dream about playing in and that is a positive. Sam or Joey would have scored a lot of points playing under Shaka.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 29, 2022, 09:29:10 AM
What's pathetic and childish is an old man who should know better labeling freshman and junior college age athletes - who decided to transfer from a program led by a poor coach to one led by a Hall of Famer - "quitters".
Markus was a great kid, a wonderful representative of Marquette. He won a lot of individual accolades and when he was "on" was really fun to watch. He was an elite shooter, by far the best chucker of the Wojo era. But he, like Carlino and Rowsey before him, was a chucker. No blame to him or the others. They were following orders, running what passed for an offense under Wojo.
This year's team has one starter who is an above average shooter, one who can't shoot at all and three who are below average. And we're one of the top 10 offenses in college basketball, better than the one Wojo was able to assemble starting one above average shooter and maybe the two best shooters in Marquette history. Why? Because the ball and the players move, because everyone is a willing and good passer - instead of four guys standing around watching one guy dominate the ball. One is the kind of offense players run to, one is the kind that good, smart players who aren't the designated Alpha run from.
Spot on regarding the heart of the problem Lenny. As I have posted before, Charles Barkley's comment during a halftime show said it all (these words may not be
exactly what he said, but are at least very close): "Marquette has no system. They need a system." Now we have one. Alleluia!
Yes
Quote from: Goose on December 29, 2022, 09:39:19 AM
Lenny
I went to the game with my 27y daughter on Tuesday and she could not stop talking about the ball is always moving on offense and with a purpose. I bitched years ago that MU did not have a system, outside of having a chucker, and that hurt the team. IMO, Markus would have thrived even more in this offense. I think he would have scored as much, if not more, with a lot less attempts.
In looking back, I feel badly that I did not enjoy and appreciate Howard's skills more. The style of play made me angry, and I took my frustrations out on the wrong person. The kid was a talent and that cannot be debated. How he was used definitely can be debated.
The offense under Shaka is going to attract big time players, if they are willing to play defense, and they will only get better. This style of play is what most kids dream about playing in and that is a positive. Sam or Joey would have scored a lot of points playing under Shaka.
Neither is athletic enough to play for Shaka. They were positionally great players but not going to turn you over and blaze down the court type of player. Not a drag on either, (I fall into "why are we still infatuated with our exes" in this argument) but wouldn't have been a fit.
On topic, but does anyone remember Markus, Joey or Sam dunking? I remember them being dunked on.
With that, Wojo's teams didn't have problems on the offensive side. His teams could not play a lick of defense. And for that, I am thankful for Shaka's system.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 29, 2022, 09:29:10 AM
What's pathetic and childish is an old man who should know better labeling freshman and junior college age athletes - who decided to transfer from a program led by a poor coach to one led by a Hall of Famer - "quitters".
Markus was a great kid, a wonderful representative of Marquette. He won a lot of individual accolades and when he was "on" was really fun to watch. He was an elite shooter, by far the best chucker of the Wojo era. But he, like Carlino and Rowsey before him, was a chucker. No blame to him or the others. They were following orders, running what passed for an offense under Wojo.
This year's team has one starter who is an above average shooter, one who can't shoot at all and three who are below average. And we're one of the top 10 offenses in college basketball, better than the one Wojo was able to assemble starting one above average shooter and maybe the two best shooters in Marquette history. Why? Because the ball and the players move, because everyone is a willing and good passer - instead of four guys standing around watching one guy dominate the ball. One is the kind of offense players run to, one is the kind that good, smart players who aren't the designated Alpha run from.
Mic drop. 100% on target as usual Lenny.
Quote from: Goose on December 29, 2022, 09:39:19 AM
Lenny
I went to the game with my 27y daughter on Tuesday and she could not stop talking about the ball is always moving on offense and with a purpose. I bitched years ago that MU did not have a system, outside of having a chucker, and that hurt the team. IMO, Markus would have thrived even more in this offense. I think he would have scored as much, if not more, with a lot less attempts.
In looking back, I feel badly that I did not enjoy and appreciate Howard's skills more. The style of play made me angry, and I took my frustrations out on the wrong person. The kid was a talent and that cannot be debated. How he was used definitely can be debated.
The offense under Shaka is going to attract big time players, if they are willing to play defense, and they will only get better. This style of play is what most kids dream about playing in and that is a positive. Sam or Joey would have scored a lot of points playing under Shaka.
Also spot on Goose.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 29, 2022, 09:29:10 AM
What's pathetic and childish is an old man who should know better labeling freshman and junior college age athletes - who decided to transfer from a program led by a poor coach to one led by a Hall of Famer - "quitters".
Markus was a great kid, a wonderful representative of Marquette. He won a lot of individual accolades and when he was "on" was really fun to watch. He was an elite shooter, by far the best chucker of the Wojo era. But he, like Carlino and Rowsey before him, was a chucker. No blame to him or the others. They were following orders, running what passed for an offense under Wojo.
This year's team has one starter who is an above average shooter, one who can't shoot at all and three who are below average. And we're one of the top 10 offenses in college basketball, better than the one Wojo was able to assemble starting one above average shooter and maybe the two best shooters in Marquette history. Why? Because the ball and the players move, because everyone is a willing and good passer - instead of four guys standing around watching one guy dominate the ball. One is the kind of offense players run to, one is the kind that good, smart players who aren't the designated Alpha run from.
lmao the revisionist history here is nuts. Markus was a generational talent. Comparing him to Carlino or Rowsey... or referring to him as a chucker is the stupidest crap I have read on this board in a month at least.
Borderline top 25 team, top 10 offense, historic player development, and yet we've still got the folks that will spend most of their time bringing up the last coach and players that have been out of the program for years. Peak Scoop right here.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 29, 2022, 10:34:50 AM
Borderline top 25 team, top 10 offense, historic player development, and yet we've still got the folks that will spend most of their time bringing up the last coach and players that have been out of the program for years. Peak Scoop right here.
It's truly the best part of scoop.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 29, 2022, 09:29:10 AM
What's pathetic and childish is an old man who should know better labeling freshman and junior college age athletes - who decided to transfer from a program led by a poor coach to one led by a Hall of Famer - "quitters".
Markus was a great kid, a wonderful representative of Marquette. He won a lot of individual accolades and when he was "on" was really fun to watch. He was an elite shooter, by far the best chucker of the Wojo era. But he, like Carlino and Rowsey before him, was a chucker. No blame to him or the others. They were following orders, running what passed for an offense under Wojo.
This year's team has one starter who is an above average shooter, one who can't shoot at all and three who are below average. And we're one of the top 10 offenses in college basketball, better than the one Wojo was able to assemble starting one above average shooter and maybe the two best shooters in Marquette history. Why? Because the ball and the players move, because everyone is a willing and good passer - instead of four guys standing around watching one guy dominate the ball. One is the kind of offense players run to, one is the kind that good, smart players who aren't the designated Alpha run from.
Yessir. I loved watching Markus play, and I'm sickened that some alleged Marquette fans have made a four-year standout and All-American who represented our alma mater with dignity a target of their vitriol ... but he definitely had no conscience when it came to firing the rock.
But, of course, this has all been covered. As have the Hausers (who have their own thread on the Superbar). As has Shaka being a much better coach than Wojo (duh).
I know Wojo Sucks is low-hanging fruit, and it's irresistible to the likes of Ners, but again it would be nice having a few threads on The Al that don't devolve into this.
Quote from: Lennys Tap link=topic=63937.msg1494652#msg1494652b][/b]date=1672327750]
Markus was a great kid, a wonderful representative of Marquette. He won a lot of individual accolades and when he was "on" was really fun to watch. He was an elite shooter, by far the best chucker of the Wojo era. But he, like Carlino and Rowsey before him, was a chucker. No blame to him or the others. They were following orders, running what passed for an offense under Wojo.
In Markus' time at MU, "what passed for an offense under Wojo" produced the following Adj OE rankings:
#8
#12
#32
#14
That's an insanely impressive run. We were excellent on offense with Markus.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 29, 2022, 10:21:20 AM
lmao the revisionist history here is nuts. Markus was a generational talent. Comparing him to Carlino or Rowsey... or referring to him as a chucker is the stupidest crap I have read on this board in a month at least.
"I like Markus Howard, but he's like Matt Carlino" is so damn funny.
I get that people were disappointed during the Wojo regime, but let's not be basketball stupid here. Markus wasn't good just because of Wojo's system. Markus was a legit college basketball star and a wonderful representative of the University.
I would like to apologize for making a lighthearted dig at a worry of next year. I had no idea it would morph to this. (I'm new here ;D )
Its just funny the Markus hate. I do agree with Goose I think he would thrived under Shaka as well and been even more efficient in that system.
But the fact he gets called a chucker is legit funny.
Anybody remember Carsen Edwards?!?! Look at that guys career FG% and 3PT% compared to Markus. Forget Powell at SHU??? Marcus Carr at his 100 schools thats still playing?
Those are just 3 random examples off top of my head of big time college basketball players and guys who can get buckets. All less efficienctly than Markus while also scoring less.
As stated, lets stop going basketball stupid.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 29, 2022, 10:49:32 AM
In Markus' time at MU, "what passed for an offense under Wojo" produced the following Adj OE rankings:
#8
#12
#32
#14
That's an insanely impressive run. We were excellent on offense with Markus.
Even more impressive when you think a lot of that was half court as our poor D was not getting us much offense.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 29, 2022, 11:31:49 AM
Its just funny the Markus hate. I do agree with Goose I think he would thrived under Shaka as well and been even more efficient in that system.
But the fact he gets called a chucker is legit funny.
Anybody remember Carsen Edwards?!?! Look at that guys career FG% and 3PT% compared to Markus. Forget Powell at SHU??? Marcus Carr at his 100 schools thats still playing?
Those are just 3 random examples off top of my head of big time college basketball players and guys who can get buckets. All less efficienctly than Markus while also scoring less.
As stated, lets stop going basketball stupid.
A chucker is a chucker it doesn't matter if they happen to be good at it!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 29, 2022, 11:31:49 AM
Its just funny the Markus hate. I do agree with Goose I think he would thrived under Shaka as well and been even more efficient in that system.
But the fact he gets called a chucker is legit funny.
Anybody remember Carsen Edwards?!?! Look at that guys career FG% and 3PT% compared to Markus. Forget Powell at SHU??? Marcus Carr at his 100 schools thats still playing?
Those are just 3 random examples off top of my head of big time college basketball players and guys who can get buckets. All less efficienctly than Markus while also scoring less.
As stated, lets stop going basketball stupid.
Well said. Markus shot 43% for his career from 3. A career eFG around 56% (for reference Steph Curry's career NBA eFG is 58%). All while being insanely high usage in a system where he was everything and every opposing coach and team knew it and aimed to stop him.
In no world was he a "chucker. That's for guys like Myles Powell who shot 31% from 3 as a senior yet still took more than 9 a game. Markus was a generational shooting talent who was unfortunately slotted into an unimaginative and stale offense.
Chuckers don't find a way into NBA playoff games as an undrafted rookie, for whatever reason, and shoot 42% from 3.
Nor do Chuckers go and not only average 17 while shooting 45% from 3 in arguably the best non-NBA domestic league in the world, but then also average 16 and 46% from 3 in the absolute best non NBA competition in the world in the EuroLeague, while already setting club records for his new team.
Dude is beyond special and trying to diminish him because his coach was a pud is beyond tired.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 29, 2022, 12:27:25 PM
A chucker is a chucker it doesn't matter if they happen to be good at it!
This is as bad as your wine takes. Very efficient, high percentage shooters are not "chuckers". Unless of course you think Steph Curry is a chucker. Which would say a lot about your basketball knowledge and perspective
JWags nails it.
Markus was special, Markus is special.
Kid was a joy to watch and we are all better for it.
Quote from: JWags85 on December 29, 2022, 12:31:35 PM
Well said. Markus shot 43% for his career from 3. A career eFG around 56% (for reference Steph Curry's career NBA eFG is 58%). All while being insanely high usage in a system where he was everything and every opposing coach and team knew it and aimed to stop him.
In no world was he a "chucker. That's for guys like Myles Powell who shot 31% from 3 as a senior yet still took more than 9 a game. Markus was a generational shooting talent who was unfortunately slotted into an unimaginative and stale offense.
Chuckers don't find a way into NBA playoff games as an undrafted rookie, for whatever reason, and shoot 42% from 3.
Nor do Chuckers go and not only average 17 while shooting 45% from 3 in arguably the best non-NBA domestic league in the world, but then also average 16 and 46% from 3 in the absolute best non NBA competition in the world in the EuroLeague, while already setting club records for his new team.
Dude is beyond special and trying to diminish him because his coach was a pud is beyond tired.
This is as bad as your wine takes. Very efficient, high percentage shooters are not "chuckers". Unless of course you think Steph Curry is a chucker. Which would say a lot about your basketball knowledge and perspective
I thought it was obvious as sarcasm could be...
Definitely gonna start DMing you for approval of every bottle I'm drinking though to make sure it meets your exceptional standards
Tony Smith under Dukiet or Tony Smith under KO: Gunner or Chucker? Discuss
Markus hid how bad that Wojo team was his senior year. He had an all worldly performance that season.
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2022, 12:44:59 PM
Markus hid how bad that Wojo team was his senior year. He had an all worldly performance that season.
Wow you're just ignore that we had future NBA stalwart Jamal Cain?!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 29, 2022, 12:39:34 PM
I thought it was obvious as sarcasm could be...
Definitely gonna start DMing you for approval of every bottle I'm drinking though to make sure it meets your exceptional standards
With this thread and anything Wojo, you never know ;D
And the whole joke wasn't my high standards, it was yours :o
Related, Baskonia is currently playing Real Madrid and their roster of about 7-8 former NBA players. Markus has 21 in the first half on 5/7 from deep with a couple assists and is absolutely TORCHING anyone they put on him.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 29, 2022, 12:39:34 PM
I thought it was obvious as sarcasm could be...
Definitely gonna start DMing you for approval of every bottle I'm drinking though to make sure it meets your exceptional standards
I figured it was sarcasm.
Unfortunately with this board and people in this thread even, I can also see why Jwags did not.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 29, 2022, 12:47:19 PM
Wow you're just ignore that we had future NBA stalwart Jamal Cain?!
Lol - Cain with Wojo is a different kitten than any other coach.
Quote from: JWags85 on December 29, 2022, 12:52:43 PM
With this thread and anything Wojo, you never know ;D
And the whole joke wasn't my high standards, it was yours :o
If you think my wine standards are high talk about any whisk(e)y that's where the real hot takes start coming.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2022, 07:41:04 AM
Only on Scoop do people chide KIDS for choosing to go to Marquette
You forgot to abbreviate people and forgot to use bold for KIDS... 3/10.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 29, 2022, 12:59:53 PM
If you think my wine standards are high talk about any whisk(e)y that's where the real hot takes start coming.
Irish whiskey is dog water
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 29, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
Irish whiskey is dog water
Anything from a corn mash is purely for this sweet addicted country. It's only good use is for cocktails where you're going to put a mountain of syrup and juice in there anyways.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 29, 2022, 02:26:20 PM
Anything from a corn mash is purely for this sweet addicted country. It's only good use is for cocktails where you're going to put a mountain of syrup and juice in there anyways.
I see you've chosen violence.
I wish you luck.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 29, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
Irish whiskey is dog water
Irish whiskey is just a alcoholic Ovaltine, without the chocolate or sugar.
Quote from: JWags85 on December 29, 2022, 03:58:59 PM
Irish whiskey is just a alcoholic Ovaltine, without the chocolate or sugar.
Even if this was true that would make it better than sipping the paint thinner w/ a tablespoon of sugar, vanilla and cherry that is every glass of corn mash whiskey.
I'll take a Yellow spot 12 over most any sourmash... now back to Wojo hate!
Quote from: JWags85 on December 29, 2022, 12:52:43 PM
With this thread and anything Wojo, you never know ;D
And the whole joke wasn't my high standards, it was yours :o
Related, Baskonia is currently playing Real Madrid and their roster of about 7-8 former NBA players. Markus has 21 in the first half on 5/7 from deep with a couple assists and is absolutely TORCHING anyone they put on him.
I would literally take him on the Bulls in a heart beat as a microwave off the bench. NBA GMs are out thinking themselves on this one IMO.
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2022, 12:44:59 PM
Markus hid how bad that Wojo team was his senior year. He had an all worldly performance that season.
Yup. I wonder how many teams have finished under .500 in conference while having a consensus first team All American.
Quote from: JWags85 on December 29, 2022, 12:52:43 PM
With this thread and anything Wojo, you never know ;D
And the whole joke wasn't my high standards, it was yours :o
Related, Baskonia is currently playing Real Madrid and their roster of about 7-8 former NBA players. Markus has 21 in the first half on 5/7 from deep with a couple assists and is absolutely TORCHING anyone they put on him.
What was the final score and stat line?
I'd imagine he will be back in the NBA soon if he keeps it up.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 29, 2022, 06:53:39 PM
What was the final score and stat line?
I'd imagine he will be back in the NBA soon if he keeps it up.
They won 92-86, he had 28 to lead all scorers handily
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 29, 2022, 09:16:48 AM
Coming from you this post is the height of comedy!! JayBee made a dumb post. Almost one as dumb as the garden variety offered up by this guy:
Still an idiot who could dunk in high school, what an accomplishment!
Quote from: JWags85 on December 29, 2022, 07:12:41 PM
They won 92-86, he had 28 to lead all scorers handily
Them beating Real Madrid is huge. Baskonia finished 9th and only won 12 games last year. They're in first place and already won 11 games this year even with Markus lousy 3 pt shooting.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 29, 2022, 09:41:41 PM
Them beating Real Madrid is huge. Baskonia finished 9th and only won 12 games last year. They're in first place and already won 11 games this year even with Markus lousy 3 pt shooting.
I believe this was a Euro league game and not a Spanish league game.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 30, 2022, 07:02:29 AM
I believe this was a Euro league game and not a Spanish league game.
Yes both are EuroLeague stats 21-22 / 22-23 standings
Quote from: JWags85 on December 29, 2022, 07:12:41 PM
They won 92-86, he had 28 to lead all scorers handily
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BzXUWVEY5aQ
Damn. I miss watching him play.
The internet is calling #mubb "Dunk City"
Scoop: best we settle the Sam vs. Markus debate once and for all
Well done Fellas (and ladies, if you're still here).
Quote from: The Lens on December 30, 2022, 10:52:03 AM
The internet is calling #mubb "Dunk City"
Scoop: best we settle the Sam vs. Markus debate once and for all
Well done Fellas (and ladies, if you're still here).
2016-17 season. Markus Howard hands down. (BUT, JaJuan Johnson was the best player because he was the only player who played defense, top 20 steal rating, probably was Wojo's fault Markus wasn't the best, both of them should have played more.)
2017-18 season. Lean Markus Howard. (Rowsey was the best player.)
2018-19 season. Sam Hauser.
2019-2020 vs 2020-2021. Markus Howard.
Pros. Clearly Sam Hauser.
Results... Give me Oso.
Imagine what Mike Deane could have done with this roster
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 30, 2022, 11:14:39 AM
Imagine what Mike Deane could have done with this roster
I'd have to belt myself in to contain the excitement
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 30, 2022, 11:14:39 AM
Imagine what Mike Deane could have done with this roster
Call timeouts?
Quote from: jfp61 on December 30, 2022, 11:05:36 AM
2016-17 season. Markus Howard hands down. (BUT, JaJuan Johnson was the best player because he was the only player who played defense, top 20 steal rating, probably was Wojo's fault Markus wasn't the best, both of them should have played more.)
2017-18 season. Lean Markus Howard. (Rowsey was the best player.)
2018-19 season. Sam Hauser.
2019-2020 vs 2020-2021. Markus Howard.
Pros. Clearly Sam Hauser.
Results... Give me Oso.
Is this meant to be teal? Ive been a Sam supporter and defender many times, but come on.
Besides Markus not playing at Marquette in 20-21, you're saying that in 18-19 when Markus averaged 25-4-4 and shot 40.5% from 3 and was BE POY and Consensus Second Team AA that Sam was the better player? :o
I also loved what he brought to the team, but I don't buy Rowsey as better than Markus that year. Markus could do everything Rowsey could and was better and more effective at creating his own shot, hence why he shot a much higher percentage (on more volume) from inside the arc that year.