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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 09, 2022, 12:33:35 AM
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https://painttouches.com/2022/10/09/quick-observations-from-1st-annual-blue-vs-gold-scrimmage/
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Great stuff, TAMU.
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Thanks for posting, Wizard. Anxious so see how far Jop has jumped when he is healthy.
Glad Kam has added dimension to his game. Kam seems like a Vinnie Johnson Microwave piece to the puzzle. He will replace Morsell as the "go to" when MU needs a bucket.
I definitely see smaller lineups this year as the bigs will need time to develop. I am still not sure about a NCAA bid team but it will be fun to see the development. I love the PG pieces as that will add complexity for opposing defenses.
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Thank you TAMU Wizard
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Thanks a ton for this, Wiz. A lot of great info and insight, and I feel I know more about the 2022-23 team than I would have if you hadn't posted it.
I liked reading Shaka's quotes, and it will be interesting to see if what he says about Oso actually happens.
I was very happy to hear about how good Kolek looked because we definitely need improved play from the PG position. Between his improvement, Stevie's improvement and the rookie, it looks like we're in good shape at the most important position on the floor.
My one nit: You sang praises of Kolek's shooting after he went 2-for-5 but were critical of O-Max going 1-for-5. So if Kolek had missed one more and O-Max had made one more, would the opposite have been true? You did warn us right at the beginning that your observations were based solely on the scrimmage, though, so I'll give you that.
Again, really appreciate you posting this. It reinforced that we all have every reason to believe our team will be better this season, as it should be in our coach's second year with his system and culture having been firmly established.
We Are Marquette!
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Thanks for posting, Wizard. Anxious so see how far Jop has jumped when he is healthy.
Glad Kam has added dimension to his game. Kam seems like a Vinnie Johnson Microwave piece to the puzzle. He will replace Morsell as the "go to" when MU needs a bucket.
I've been saying Kam had the look of a future go-to guy since pretty early last season. He appears to be ahead of schedule, and you very well might be right about him being that guy this season.
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My one nit: You sang praises of Kolek's shooting after he went 2-for-5 but were critical of O-Max going 1-for-5. So if Kolek had missed one more and O-Max had made one more, would the opposite have been true? You did warn us right at the beginning that your observations were based solely on the scrimmage, though, so I'll give you that.
That's a fair NIT but I'll counter by saying that my praise for Kolek was less about him going 2/5 and more about him not firing line drives
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My 2 cents...O-Max did't play great, but what he did he can do against anyone. We've seen him do so, and I think he did look more comfortable putting the ball on the floor. He hits an additional shot or 2 and we're talking differently.
TK...I have to see it in BEAST play to believe it. He got to the rim with ease, and I think that speaks more to our interior deficiencies than an ability for him to finish...but we'll see. If Kur had been on the opposing side...TK isn't doing what he did...
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My 2 cents...O-Max did't play great, but what he did he can do against anyone. We've seen him do so, and I think he did look more comfortable putting the ball on the floor. He hits an additional shot or 2 and we're talking differently.
TK...I have to see it in BEAST play to believe it. He got to the rim with ease, and I think that speaks more to our interior deficiencies than an ability for him to finish...but we'll see. If Kur had been on the opposing side...TK isn't doing what he did...
I’d hate to be so glass half empty because I’m usually not, but I sort of feel the same.
Seeing the guards score with ease in these scrimmages concerns me more about the defense than it makes me feel confident that they are ahead of schedule offensively.
Unfortunately won’t really know until they play against other good defenses in the OOC portion of the schedule.
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I am very pleased to hear your report on Stevie. I was so confused by his offense last year. He had been a scorer in HS and while I get that the BEAST is a lot different than HS he just seemed so totally lost. I really was not confident he would progress. I’m delighted he has. He is a really likable guy and his energy and defense are needed. It will be great if he can add value on offense. Thanks for the report.
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Ty TAMU. What do you see with S.Jones defensively? Can he use his quicks to lock down opposing guards eventually? How do you forsee Shaka using our four guards?
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If Oso gets in foul trouble cam we play Gold or will we have to play ZW at the 5?
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Keeyan, Gold, Wrightsil, OMax.
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Keeyan, Gold, Wrightsil, OMax.
Is Keeyan ahead of Gold? Cool.
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The event was decently attended though the crowd was at least 90% alumni and their families.
How do you know this?
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The event was decently attended though the crowd was at least 90% alumni and their families.
How do you know this?
He counted sweater vests
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The event was decently attended though the crowd was at least 90% alumni and their families.
How do you know this?
I imagine he made the assumption that the parents who brought their children were not current Marquette students. Also, he’s a wizard.
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The event was decently attended though the crowd was at least 90% alumni and their families.
How do you know this?
He obviously asked every single person and made a list.
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I imagine he made the assumption that the parents who brought their children were not current Marquette students. Also, he’s a wizard.
The Wizard of Wells Street
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I imagine he made the assumption that the parents who brought their children were not current Marquette students. Also, he’s a wizard.
Parents, their children, and MU students……hey. Most of which are not alumni.
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Parents, their children, and MU students……hey. Most of which are not alumni.
Seriously, always trust a wizard.
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Parents, their children, and MU students……hey. Most of which are not alumni.
Seems a weird thing to be pedantic about…
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First time on scoop?
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Seems a weird thing to be pedantic about…
That’s priceless coming from you.
Was just curious as to how he reached the “at least 90%” number.
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That’s priceless coming from you.
Was just curious as to how he reached the “at least 90%” number.
That’s the point. If *I* think it’s weirdly pedantic…
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That’s priceless coming from you.
Was just curious as to how he reached the “at least 90%” number.
You don't know a thing about wizards.
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Was just curious as to how he reached the “at least 90%” number.
My eyeballs. But you're right, not all people aged mid-20s in attendance and up were necessary alumni and their families, just most of them. Mostly the sentence was to illustrate that it was more well attended by non-students than students.
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I’d hate to be so glass half empty because I’m usually not, but I sort of feel the same.
Seeing the guards score with ease in these scrimmages concerns me more about the defense than it makes me feel confident that they are ahead of schedule offensively.
Unfortunately won’t really know until they play against other good defenses in the OOC portion of the schedule.
I felt this way about the Gold team's defense but not the Blue team's. Stevie and Sean were disruptive on D but they weren't locking people down. Itejere is fine on defense but not great and Gold is a negative on defense at this point. Blue team I felt like was playing very good defense, Oso in particular looked like a real rim protector....and they had Jonah Lucas trying to cover Sean and Stevie.
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Ty TAMU. What do you see with S.Jones defensively? Can he use his quicks to lock down opposing guards eventually? How do you forsee Shaka using our four guards?
Sean was very disruptive, got his share of deflections and was all over the place...but Kolek and Jones were able to get him turned around and out of position multiple times. It's going to take him time to become a lockdown type defender but will be able to be a pest right away. I'd compare him to Stevie's defense last season. Lots of energy and deflections but not locking anyone down yet. Difference between them is that Sean's offense and PG skills seem to be significantly ahead of where Stevie's were last season.
I think Kolek plays as many minutes as he can handle. I don't think it's a stretch to say that he'll be on an All-Big East roster at the end of the season. I think one of Stevie and Sean will almost always be playing opposite Kolek to give a second ball handler on offense and a disruptor on defense. I also think Kam will spend a lot of time at the 3 and it seems clear that he is going to be our go to scorer. Even so, I still suspect that Kam may come off the bench (but play more than most starters) to set the tone on defense before bringing in the microwave.
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I’m kind of curious on thoughts for the starting lineup. I could see it being the Blue team with OMax there instead of Lucas. Maybe Stevie going in for Kam or Wrightsill.
Part of the reason I wasn’t too concerned about the big gap in score was I figured it was almost a first team versus second team.
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Thanks for the write up. Combining your comments with the other thread, here's my take:
Kam and Oso have taken the next steps to become starters. Kolek is our most important player and O-Max is still solid, though probably not a great iso scorer.
Top 4 players:
Kolek
O-Max
Kam Jones
Oso
Mitchell and Wrightsil are probably 5 & 6 in some order, with Sean Jones 7th (or at worst 8th if Joplin is ahead of him).
Itejere and Gold are both works in progress. It may take time to sort out which one plays more. But I also think Gold had one of his worst days at the scrimmage. I still think he improves as the season goes on and ends up a very nice bench piece.
Wish Joplin would have played but understand why he was kept out.
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Sean was very disruptive, got his share of deflections and was all over the place...but Kolek and Jones were able to get him turned around and out of position multiple times. It's going to take him time to become a lockdown type defender but will be able to be a pest right away. I'd compare him to Stevie's defense last season. Lots of energy and deflections but not locking anyone down yet. Difference between them is that Sean's offense and PG skills seem to be significantly ahead of where Stevie's were last season.
I think Kolek plays as many minutes as he can handle. I don't think it's a stretch to say that he'll be on an All-Big East roster at the end of the season. I think one of Stevie and Sean will almost always be playing opposite Kolek to give a second ball handler on offense and a disruptor on defense. I also think Kam will spend a lot of time at the 3 and it seems clear that he is going to be our go to scorer. Even so, I still suspect that Kam may come off the bench (but play more than most starters) to set the tone on defense before bringing in the microwave.
You're drinking the Kolek-Ade, and I think that's great. I love the optimism, Wiz, and I sure hope you're right. Having an all-conference PG would cover up a lot of warts.
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I’m kind of curious on thoughts for the starting lineup. I could see it being the Blue team with OMax there instead of Lucas. Maybe Stevie going in for Kam or Wrightsill.
Part of the reason I wasn’t too concerned about the big gap in score was I figured it was almost a first team versus second team.
My guess has been:
Kolek
Stevie
O-Max
Wrightsil
Oso
With Kam being a supersub that gets more minutes than Stevie and Wrightsil (and as many as O-Max and Oso).
I think this would be our best defensive lineup and my thought is that Shaka values defense over offense and will want to set the defensive tone early. The only concern would be if having both Wrightsil and Oso out there would bog down the offense too much by allowing the opposing defense to cheat to the paint. That didn't happen during the scrimmage and the two of them combined for 9 assists. I think their post passing is enough to counteract any pack em in defenses.
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I’ve got Kam starting now. Jop to supply the offensive spark off bench
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I’ve got Kam starting now. Jop to supply the offensive spark off bench
this, I agree.
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I’ve got Kam starting now. Jop to supply the offensive spark off bench
That's how I would see it. I'm not confident Stevie and TK can play a lot of minutes together. Joplin will need to play a lot of minutes. I think we need Kam to be really good this year.
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My guess has been:
Kolek
Stevie
O-Max
Wrightsil
Oso
With Kam being a supersub that gets more minutes than Stevie and Wrightsil (and as many as O-Max and Oso).
I think this would be our best defensive lineup and my thought is that Shaka values defense over offense and will want to set the defensive tone early. The only concern would be if having both Wrightsil and Oso out there would bog down the offense too much by allowing the opposing defense to cheat to the paint. That didn't happen during the scrimmage and the two of them combined for 9 assists. I think their post passing is enough to counteract any pack em in defenses.
I respect your opinion and appreciate all the great work.
I understand this point of view.
However, I just can’t see a situation where Shaka doesn’t start Kam.
He started a lot last season when no one expected it, and it seems like he is taking a big jump to become one of the best players on the squad.
Also, Shaka always seems to start what he deems to be his best lineup.
I actually would argue that other than Kolek and Oso he’s the third most guaranteed start on the team, with Omax behind him in a situation where Wrightsil steps up and plays better (wouldn’t happen until later in the season imo) or Jop just starts becoming a necessary must have in the lineup scorer that doesn’t get deflated on defense.
Prospers versatility in defense and sheer athletic ability will likely have him as a locked in starter, but a lot of that comes due to his intense defensive effort and positive attitude.
More than likely my guess is that Shaka starts the season with Stevie as the last starter in a 3 guard lineup with
Kolek-Stevie-Kam-OMax-Oso
and as the season progresses and Wrightsil gets more accustomed to the team and higher level of play, as well as Shaka realizing that we need more size due to a difficulty on the boards/interior defense he enters into the starting lineup and likely replaces Stevie unless Kolek/Kam struggle mightily offensively
Kolek-Kam-OMax-Wrightsil-Oso.
That also depends on how useful Shaka thinks Gold/Itijere are spelling Oso at the 5, because if he doesn’t have the confidence they can hold their own Wrightsil continues coming off the bench to spell Oso and gets additional minutes at the 4.
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Kam isn’t any good
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Kam isn’t any good
I dunno about that, Unk. He reminds me of Diener.
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I respect your opinion and appreciate all the great work.
I understand this point of view.
However, I just can’t see a situation where Shaka doesn’t start Kam.
He started a lot last season when no one expected it, and it seems like he is taking a big jump to become one of the best players on the squad.
Also, Shaka always seems to start what he deems to be his best lineup.
I actually would argue that other than Kolek and Oso he’s the third most guaranteed start on the team, with Omax behind him in a situation where Wrightsil steps up and plays better (wouldn’t happen until later in the season imo) or Jop just starts becoming a necessary must have in the lineup scorer that doesn’t get deflated on defense.
Prospers versatility in defense and sheer athletic ability will likely have him as a locked in starter, but a lot of that comes due to his intense defensive effort and positive attitude.
More than likely my guess is that Shaka starts the season with Stevie as the last starter in a 3 guard lineup with
Kolek-Stevie-Kam-OMax-Oso
and as the season progresses and Wrightsil gets more accustomed to the team and higher level of play, as well as Shaka realizing that we need more size due to a difficulty on the boards/interior defense he enters into the starting lineup and likely replaces Stevie unless Kolek/Kam struggle mightily offensively
Kolek-Kam-OMax-Wrightsil-Oso.
That also depends on how useful Shaka thinks Gold/Itijere are spelling Oso at the 5, because if he doesn’t have the confidence they can hold their own Wrightsil continues coming off the bench to spell Oso and gets additional minutes at the 4.
I don't even disagree with you. I'm certainly putting a lot of money on the idea that Kam will come off the bench, just a hunch. I put close to zero value on who starts vs who plays the most minutes. We definitely agree that Kam is getting a ton of minutes this season.
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I dunno about that, Unk. He reminds me of Diener.
Wojo recruit. Pass
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Sean was very disruptive, got his share of deflections and was all over the place...but Kolek and Jones were able to get him turned around and out of position multiple times. It's going to take him time to become a lockdown type defender but will be able to be a pest right away. I'd compare him to Stevie's defense last season. Lots of energy and deflections but not locking anyone down yet. Difference between them is that Sean's offense and PG skills seem to be significantly ahead of where Stevie's were last season.
I think Kolek plays as many minutes as he can handle. I don't think it's a stretch to say that he'll be on an All-Big East roster at the end of the season. I think one of Stevie and Sean will almost always be playing opposite Kolek to give a second ball handler on offense and a disruptor on defense. I also think Kam will spend a lot of time at the 3 and it seems clear that he is going to be our go to scorer. Even so, I still suspect that Kam may come off the bench (but play more than most starters) to set the tone on defense before bringing in the microwave.
Ty TAMU. I'm extremely excited about seeing Sean on the floor. I don't think we've had a guy with his jets in a long time.
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After reading comments about the scrimmage from those who attended it, it doesn't sound like we have a dominant player on this team. I wish we did. Does anyone feel that we have potential stars on this team?
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After reading comments about the scrimmage from those who attended it, it doesn't sound like we have a dominant player on this team. I wish we did. Does anyone feel that we have potential stars on this team?
I think TK is a potential star in the Arcidiacono/Gillespie type mold. Defensively, I think O-Max is a potential star. Scoring wise, Kam feels most likely to be able to be that consistent leading scorer.
I don't think we have a BEPOY contender like Justin was last year, but I think we have a couple potential second team guys. I'll take that.
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I don't think we have a BEPOY contender like Justin was last year, but I think we have a couple potential second team guys. I'll take that.
I’m rebuilding years I guess I’ll take that. Overall no. Talent wins. You need dudes.
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I’m rebuilding years I guess I’ll take that. Overall no. Talent wins. You need dudes.
Yup. This was why the whole who cares if Justin leaves talk was idiotic. If he’s back, this is a much better team with a potential BEPOY on the roster.
He isn’t back, however. Will someone rise to the occasion and take that spot? I’m pretty bullish someone will.
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Was there much talk, if any, of Lewis being BEPOY potential at this time last year? There’s a lot of time for that, and I’m not sure a hour and a half scrimmage is enough to say we don’t.
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I dunno about that, Unk. He reminds me of Diener.
I dunno, Mike. They’re both guards with great range but beyond that? Diener had great court vision and handles - and could dish like few others. Kam is bigger, stronger and a better athlete who could become an outstanding shooting guard. Not all that similar to me.
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Put me in the camp that thinks TK could be a potential star in the BE
I just really hope hes improved at the rim. Gonna need that and a mid range.
I am actually not worried about the outside shot
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Put me in the camp that thinks TK could be a potential star in the BE
I just really hope hes improved at the rim. Gonna need that and a mid range.
I am actually not worried about the outside shot
He can get the floater any time he wants. I think the trifecta is important as well but I agree with you. He has to convert in the paint.
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Was there much talk, if any, of Lewis being BEPOY potential at this time last year? There’s a lot of time for that, and I’m not sure a hour and a half scrimmage is enough to say we don’t.
Just looked back to ~1 year ago on scoop. There were high expectations for Lewis going into the season, but he had a poor showing at the scrimmage, so most were hoping it was just a bad night. There was nearly universal recognition that Lewis was going to have to play well if the team was going to meet expectations (like Kolek this year).
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Just looked back to ~1 year ago on scoop. There were high expectations for Lewis going into the season, but he had a poor showing at the scrimmage, so most were hoping it was just a bad night. There was nearly universal recognition that Lewis was going to have to play well if the team was going to meet expectations (like Kolek this year).
Kam and Joplin being studs on offense and good enough on defense/rebounding will be the guys to replace Lewis IMHO. TK could surprise me, but so could Stevie and Sean Jones. Ultimately, I think this team plays fast, hard, solid defense, and rides the hot hand on any given night...committee affair.
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I dunno, Mike. They’re both guards with great range but beyond that? Diener had great court vision and handles - and could dish like few others. Kam is bigger, stronger and a better athlete who could become an outstanding shooting guard. Not all that similar to me.
It was me being hilarious, Tony. "He reminds me of Diener" has become one of Rico's go-to lines, a take-off on the numerous folks who proclaimed last year that Kolek reminded them of Diener.
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Like last season, Kolek is going to be the key to success for the team. He is going to play the most minutes and will be the most important guy on the court for MU.
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I think Kam Jones starts. The more I think about it, I think the starters will be:
PG Kolek
G Mitchell
WG K.Jones
F O-Max
F Oso
Bench
PG Sean Jones
WF Joplin
F Wrightsil
F Gold/Itejere
Wait & See
WG Ross
8 to 9 player rotation, depending on how much Gold/Itejere progress during the season.
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Like last season, Kolek is going to be the key to success for the team. He is going to play the most minutes and will be the most important guy on the court for MU.
I agree with this analysis. Let's have some fun here: Anyone that knows ball knew last year that: 1) Kolek was a very good player. 2) He made everyone around him better. 3) He had room for improvement/additional upside.
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I agree with this analysis. Let's have some fun here: Anyone that knows ball knew last year that: 1) Kolek was a very good player. 2) He made everyone around him better. 3) He had room for improvement/additional upside.
4) He reminds everyone of Ners, minus the ability to put one on a defender's head.
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4) He reminds everyone of Ners, minus the ability to put dunkone on a defender's head.
Fixed. Thanks for playing.
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Feel like Kolek is due to have a better season shooting/scoring too. It will definitely be interesting to see how the guard minutes are dispersed.
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Fixed. Thanks for playing.
Anyone who knows ball knows "putting one on a defender's head" means they dunked on the defender. You just outed yourself as a fraud.
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I think Kam Jones starts. The more I think about it, I think the starters will be:
PG Kolek
G Mitchell
WG K.Jones
F O-Max
F Oso
Bench
PG Sean Jones
WF Joplin
F Wrightsil
F Gold/Itejere
Wait & See
WG Ross
8 to 9 player rotation, depending on how much Gold/Itejere progress during the season.
Agree with this rotation. Kam is too good not to start, Stevies defense is a great compliment to Kolek and Kam. Joplin will be the offense off the bench.
Id lean Itejere over Gold right now. Oso is going to play as much as he can handle, Keeyan at least looks ready to give us some good minutes on defense and running the floor and knowing his role on offense.
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I think Kam Jones starts. The more I think about it, I think the starters will be:
PG Kolek
G Mitchell
WG K.Jones
F O-Max
F Oso
Bench
PG Sean Jones
WF Joplin
F Wrightsil
F Gold/Itejere
Wait & See
WG Ross
8 to 9 player rotation, depending on how much Gold/Itejere progress during the season.
MU loses 58% of its points and wasn't very good rebounding the ball. That line up might be a good change of pace but not one with the most minutes.
Joplin will start with Kam as the SG. We need shooters out there so it's not 3 on 5 again once MU has been scouted (the scouting window will be shorter as Shaka has a baseline). Looking forward to a lot of development across the roster.
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Anyone who knows ball knows "putting one on a defender's head" means they dunked on the defender. You just outed yourself as a fraud.
The next time you choose to actually contribute to the topic at hand, will be the first time. Nice try to derail the thread with yet another illustration of just how much headspace I occupy in your childish mind.
Regarding this year's team, I expect the starting lineup will be:
Kolek
Mitchell
Kam
O-Max
Oso
Joplin and Sean Jones the 6 and 7 players. O-Max and Oso spelled for rest only as needed by Ross, Gold, Itjere.
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The next time you choose to actually contribute to the topic at hand, will be the first time. Nice try to derail the thread with yet another illustration of just how much headspace I occupy in your childish mind.
Regarding this year's team, I expect the starting lineup will be:
Kolek
Mitchell
Kam
O-Max
Oso
Joplin and Sean Jones the 6 and 7 players. O-Max and Oso spelled for rest only as needed by Ross, Gold, Itjere.
Says the guy who came on here and provided a multiple-choice question to prove "who knows ball" like you do. No thread hijacking until you were called out on your BS, though.
How's this for "knowing ball." You don't think the guy who came in as a grad transfer is even going to see bit minutes, let alone be part of the rotation. Guessing your rotation is wrong. But what ball do I know?
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Says the guy who came on here and provided a multiple-choice question to prove "who knows ball" like you do. No thread hijacking until you were called out on your BS, though.
How's this for "knowing ball." You don't think the guy who came in as a grad transfer is even going to see bit minutes, let alone be part of the rotation. Guessing your rotation is wrong. But what ball do I know?
Good point on Wrightsill. I did forget about him. He'll be in the 6, 7, 8 players. That aside, what multiple choice question are you talking about? Weird. Thanks though for actually contributing to the thread with the discussion about Wrightsill. Keep up the good work, because all of your other usual "contributions" are just garbage.
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I agree with this analysis. Let's have some fun here: Anyone that knows ball knew last year that: 1) Kolek was a very good player. 2) He made everyone around him better. 3) He had room for improvement/additional upside.
Kolek was "very good" at a few important things -- most notably controlling the tempo and finding open teammates -- for a good chunk of the season, and that made him a major part of us being one of the biggest surprises in college basketball.
He was less good at shooting, either from distance or near the rim, and he became easier to defend as the season went on. Over the last nine games, he shot .327 and had only one game in which he scored more than 7 points. He was invited to shoot by opponents, who largely took away the pick-and-roll, and he also was invited to drive as opponents took away his passing lanes. We were 3-6 in those games, and Shaka even felt he had to give Tyler extended bench time in several of them. But although he wasn't Diener, no matter how much some wanted him to be (including Diener himself), Tyler was a good player and a big reason we were an NCAAT team.
Totally agree with No. 3, and I'm excited to see how much he has improved.
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All this obsession with starting lineup. Starting has not matta in basketball in a very long time.
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All this obsession with starting lineup. Starting has not matta in basketball in a very long time.
I thought there was some small statistical advantage to winning the opening tip--giving the team winning the tip the potential of an extra possession depending on how many times the alternating possession rule is called into play.
If that's the case, I would think the starting lineup does matter.
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I thought there was some small statistical advantage to winning the opening tip--giving the team winning the tip the potential of an extra possession depending on how many times the alternating possession rule is called into play.
If that's the case, I would think the starting lineup does matter.
That is just the one player on the tip-off, not the starting lineup.
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Like last season, Kolek is going to be the key to success for the team. He is going to play the most minutes and will be the most important guy on the court for MU.
Agree, Goose. A lot of Scoopers who hated on him last year seem to be in his corner this year - at least so far.
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Seems like the players we get from down under are not very good.
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Agree, Goose. A lot of Scoopers who hated on him last year seem to be in his corner this year - at least so far.
Who? Goose, Ners, and myself were all Kolek supporters last season.
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Kolek is the heart of this team and he will remain the heart of this team until his time at MU ends. Shaka made the call early on that he was going to run with Kolek, similar to Wojo and Howard. If I were a betting man, I would say this decision will have far greater success than Wojo’s call.
The kid is talented, big balls and not afraid of the moment. It took me about five minutes into the Illinois game to realize that Kolek is the driving force to success for the program.
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Kolek is the heart of this team and he will remain the heart of this team until his time at MU ends. Shaka made the call early on that he was going to run with Kolek, similar to Wojo and Howard. If I were a betting man, I would say this decision will have far greater success than Wojo’s call.
The kid is talented, big balls and not afraid of the moment. It took me about five minutes into the Illinois game to realize that Kolek is the driving force to success for the program.
We definitely need Kolek to be very good for us to have a chance at success. I enjoyed what he brought last season, and I look forward to seeing how much he improves this season. I don't believe my most recent comment on Tyler said or suggested anything different.
Not really sure why you went out of your way to compare Tyler/Shaka to Markus/Wojo -- completely different players, completely different coaches, completely different philosophies. And most importantly, the latter duo will have absolutely zero bearing on the 2022-23 Marquette team. All of which you already knew.
We Are Marquette!
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Kolek for some reason lost confidence with his shot last year and it wreaked havoc on his overall game. If he can score in the10 pt ange consistently, and be around 50% efg, we'll be okay.
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I think Kam Jones starts. The more I think about it, I think the starters will be:
PG Kolek
G Mitchell
WG K.Jones
F O-Max
F Oso
Bench
PG Sean Jones
WF Joplin
F Wrightsil
F Gold/Itejere
Wait & See
WG Ross
8 to 9 player rotation, depending on how much Gold/Itejere progress during the season.
I really hope Joplin is in the starting 5 over Mitchell. I understand Stevie has grown and improved which I can’t wait to see. I’m pulling for him. I still believe Joplin, K. Jones and Kolek are the most important pieces this year.
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I really hope Joplin is in the starting 5 over Mitchell. I understand Stevie has grown and improved which I can’t wait to see. I’m pulling for him. I still believe Joplin, K. Jones and Kolek are the most important pieces this year.
It's about whether Joplin can defend. If he can you may very well be right Hoops.
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It’s also about weather Stevie can score.
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It’s also about weather Stevie can score.
100%. I mentioned that in another thread.
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Kolek for some reason lost confidence with his shot last year and it wreaked havoc on his overall game. If he can score in the10 pt ange consistently, and be around 50% efg, we'll be okay.
What do you mean by this?
30 game regular season… first 15…. 34.1% eFG%, 22.4% 3fg%…. Last 15… 47.0% and 34.6%…
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What do you mean by this?
30 game regular season… first 15…. 34.1% eFG%, 22.4% 3fg%…. Last 15… 47.0% and 34.6%…
I didn't read Muggsy's post as saying he lost confidence midway through the season. I think he was saying he lost it for the entire season.
32 game season:
40.0% eFG, 28.1% 3P%
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After our 9-1 streak (including 2 wins against Nova) had us in the national conversation, we limped home with a 3-6 finish. It wasn't Kolek's "fault" that we went 3-6 -- several others also struggled, and our defense/rebounding was poor -- but his inability to make opponents pay for daring him to score contributed to the team's lousy finish.
6 months from now, here's hoping we're talking about how a vastly improved Tyler Kolek led our vastly improved team to a strong finish, one that includes a multi-victory NCAA tournament run.
We Are Marquette!
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I really did not go out of my way to mention the past. If you read my posts, I do not believe I have mentioned pre Shaka more than a couple of times since his arrival. My mention was really more of reference that a lot of coaches latch onto a player, and I believe Shaka did so with Kolek. I have zero interest in rehashing the Wojo era.
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I didn't read Muggsy's post as saying he lost confidence midway through the season. I think he was saying he lost it for the entire season.
32 game season:
40.0% eFG, 28.1% 3P%
Yes. I'm pretty sure that's what Muggsy wrote.
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Agree, Goose. A lot of Scoopers who hated on him last year seem to be in his corner this year - at least so far.
As long as he's improved his shooting.
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I really did not go out of my way to mention the past. If you read my posts, I do not believe I have mentioned pre Shaka more than a couple of times since his arrival. My mention was really more of reference that a lot of coaches latch onto a player, and I believe Shaka did so with Kolek. I have zero interest in rehashing the Wojo era.
OK, then I misinterpreted what you said. We're on the same page -- we're both looking for very good things from Kolek, Shaka and the 2022-23 team.
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I really hope Joplin is in the starting 5 over Mitchell. I understand Stevie has grown and improved which I can’t wait to see. I’m pulling for him. I still believe Joplin, K. Jones and Kolek are the most important pieces this year.
Only reason I think Joplin doesn't start is because Shaka prioritizes defense, AND we need some offensive punch coming off the bench. Joplin at this stage of his career would seem to be a perfect 6th man. Now if Kolek and Stevie haven't improved offensively, we may have no other choice than to put Joplin in the starting lineup in place of Stevie.
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I like starting the game with your best offensive players on the floor, then once you take a lead, bring i. Your best defenders to lock them down then, that’s if you get the lead
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I like starting the game with your best offensive players on the floor, then once you take a lead, bring i. Your best defenders to lock them down then, that’s if you get the lead
Others (maybe even Shaka? we'll see soon enough) like starting the game with your best defensive players on the floor, then once you take a lead, bring in your best offensive players to blow open the game.
Personally, I don't think it has to be an either/or proposition.
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If you go up 10 or more, your putting pressure on the other team, they may fold, but if they try and back in the game quicker maybe the force them into bad shots, cause the D is better, just different philosophies
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I like balance.
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If you go up 10 or more, your putting pressure on the other team, they may fold, but if they try and back in the game quicker maybe the force them into bad shots, cause the D is better, just different philosophies
Can't you go up 10 by playing suffocating defense?
Look, I'm not advocating for either. Indeed, I don't think you need to make such a no-shades-of-gray choice.