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Title: George Carlin '73
Post by: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 09:26:44 PM
The WSJ had an op-ed about him getting arrested at Summerfest in 1973.  The details of the article were all over the place and it was more or less a condemnation of today's cancel culture.  I was just curious if anyone knew more about what exactly happened with that incident with Mr. Carlin other than he was acquitted. 
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: jficke13 on July 18, 2022, 10:01:10 PM
lol, "cancel culture" look out for some real quality takes incoming.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 10:06:02 PM
Quote from: jficke13 on July 18, 2022, 10:01:10 PM
lol, "cancel culture" look out for some real quality takes incoming.

I'm just curious about what actually happened.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Pakuni on July 18, 2022, 10:10:35 PM
He said some naughty words.


https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/06/07/george-carlin-arrested-after-milwaukee-summerfest-show-1972-seven-words-you-cant-say-on-television/7588568002/
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Pakuni on July 18, 2022, 10:11:47 PM
Quote from: jficke13 on July 18, 2022, 10:01:10 PM
lol, "cancel culture" look out for some real quality takes incoming.

Take it easy on the WSJ opinion editors. They've had a rough week.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 18, 2022, 10:13:01 PM
Quote from: jficke13 on July 18, 2022, 10:01:10 PM
lol, "cancel culture" look out for some real quality takes incoming.

(https://i.giphy.com/media/6pJNYBYSMFod2/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 10:24:56 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on July 18, 2022, 10:10:35 PM
He said some naughty words.


https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/06/07/george-carlin-arrested-after-milwaukee-summerfest-show-1972-seven-words-you-cant-say-on-television/7588568002/

Crazy.  I guess I'm late to the story.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: The Sultan on July 18, 2022, 10:30:24 PM
"Today's cancel culture..."

From 1973. 🙄🙄🙄
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 10:39:21 PM
Carlin was hilarious. 
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on July 18, 2022, 10:40:35 PM
Watch the HBO documentary. I don't recall Milwaukee being referenced specifically but it
's a good watch which will give some insight.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Jockey on July 18, 2022, 11:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on July 18, 2022, 10:11:47 PM
Take it easy on the WSJ opinion editors. They've had a rough week.

I heard they're into attacking little girls now.

Like the CDC and the Secret Service, another example of a reputable organization turning to sh!t.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: GB Warrior on July 18, 2022, 11:58:13 PM
Quote from: Jockey on July 18, 2022, 11:09:17 PM
I heard they're into attacking little girls now.

Like the CDC and the Secret Service, another example of a reputable organization turning to sh!t.

In their defense, has the WSJ Opinion page ever been reputable?
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Ardmore Mug on July 19, 2022, 01:22:25 AM
Quote from: Pakuni on July 18, 2022, 10:10:35 PM
He said some naughty words.


https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/06/07/george-carlin-arrested-after-milwaukee-summerfest-show-1972-seven-words-you-cant-say-on-television/7588568002/

As I recall, there was a list of 7 Dirty Words you can't say on TV..  He did say them onstage and MPD came on stage and arrested him! ! !  I am pretty sure he was warned before the show as well...  8-)

From Wikipedia:

The seven dirty words are seven English-language curse words that American comedian George Carlin first listed in his 1972 "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television" monologue.[1] The words, in the order Carlin listed them, are: "crap", "piss", "unnatural carnal knowledge", "aunt", "cocksucker", "motherfucker", and "tits"
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 19, 2022, 07:48:07 AM
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on July 19, 2022, 01:22:25 AM
As I recall, there was a list of 7 Dirty Words you can't say on TV..  He did say them onstage and MPD came on stage and arrested him! ! !  I am pretty sure he was warned before the show as well...  8-)

From Wikipedia:

The seven dirty words are seven English-language curse words that American comedian George Carlin first listed in his 1972 "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television" monologue.[1] The words, in the order Carlin listed them, are: "crap", "piss", "unnatural carnal knowledge", "aunt", "cocksucker", "motherunnatural carnal knowledgeer", and "tits"

I guess there are at least two words you can't say here on SCOOP either.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 19, 2022, 08:00:14 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 19, 2022, 07:48:07 AM
I guess there are at least two words you can't say here on SCOOP either.

Three actually. I don't think "aunt" is one of Carlins 7 words
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: lawdog77 on July 19, 2022, 08:07:33 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 19, 2022, 08:00:14 AM
Three actually. I don't think "aunt" is one of Carlins 7 words
4. crap was not one either
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 19, 2022, 08:49:45 AM
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 19, 2022, 08:07:33 AM
4. crap was not one either

Hoisted by my own petard!
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: swoopem on July 19, 2022, 09:06:05 AM
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on July 18, 2022, 10:40:35 PM
Watch the HBO documentary. I don't recall Milwaukee being referenced specifically but it
's a good watch which will give some insight.

They talk about it in pretty deep detail in that documentary and definitely mention Milwaukee and summerfest. The main reason he got off was cuz the assistant DA was in the audience that night and didn't think it was that big of a deal.

Also, he had some weed and coke on him but his wife gave him a heads up right before the cops arrested him so he was able to ditch it.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 19, 2022, 09:33:42 AM
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 18, 2022, 11:58:13 PM
In their defense, has the WSJ Opinion page ever been reputable?
LOL. WSJ is right there with the New York Times. I don't think highly of people who read either.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: JWags85 on July 19, 2022, 10:01:15 AM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 19, 2022, 09:33:42 AM
LOL. WSJ is right there with the New York Times. I don't think highly of people who read either.

Surely you can tell the difference between a business publication and its "opinion" page
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MuggsyB on July 19, 2022, 10:02:18 AM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 19, 2022, 09:33:42 AM
LOL. WSJ is right there with the New York Times. I don't think highly of people who read either.

For Financial, Business,and International News I don't see what's wrong with the WSJ.  The Op-Eds can be crap for sure but the NYT is a total dumpster fire in comparison to the WSJ imo.   

What exactly are the alternative newspapers people read where you think highly of them?  They all have severe problems.  I will look at conglomerates and there's a lot of garbage on both sides.  Occasionally I'll read International newspapers and they seem to struggle with political bias as well.  But if you have some recommendations I'm interested to hear them. 
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: The Sultan on July 19, 2022, 10:03:37 AM
The news pages of both the NYT and the WSJ are great. The opinion pages of both are terrible.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Pakuni on July 19, 2022, 10:31:27 AM
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 19, 2022, 10:03:37 AM
The news pages of both the NYT and the WSJ are great. The opinion pages of both are terrible.

Yep.
The WSJ newsroom is top notch. The opinion page is a dumpster fire, thanks to it being heavily influenced by Murdoch.
Suffice to say, WSJ reporters hate the opinion staff.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on July 19, 2022, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: Pakuni on July 19, 2022, 10:31:27 AM
Yep.
The WSJ newsroom is top notch. The opinion page is a dumpster fire, thanks to it being heavily influenced by Murdoch.
Suffice to say, WSJ reporters hate the opinion staff.
To be fair, it was a dumpster fire prior to Murdoch's purchase; he's just added few barrels of accelerant.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 19, 2022, 12:23:44 PM
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 19, 2022, 10:03:37 AM
The news pages of both the NYT and the WSJ are great. The opinion pages of both are terrible.

Can one tell the difference?
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 20, 2022, 04:54:33 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 19, 2022, 12:23:44 PM
Can one tell the difference?

If you can't you probably routinely read the NY Post and think it's an acceptable news source.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MuggsyB on July 20, 2022, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 20, 2022, 04:54:33 PM
If you can't you probably routinely read the NY Post and think it's an acceptable news source.

Is that why the Hunter Biden laptop story was denied and blocked on social media platforms?  "Acceptable" is a pretty vague description.  All of our major media one can argue are unacceptable.  That doesn't mean every story they print is wrong. 
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: PointWarrior on July 20, 2022, 09:48:35 PM
Watch this:  https://www.hbo.com/george-carlins-american-dream (https://www.hbo.com/george-carlins-american-dream)

Well worth watching - Carlin was so far ahead of times, much of his POV is so relevant in current times...
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 21, 2022, 05:22:09 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 20, 2022, 04:54:33 PM
If you can't you probably routinely read the NY Post and think it's an acceptable news source.

Regardless of which paper you read its hard to tell if you're reading the news or opinion section.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 06:22:05 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 21, 2022, 05:22:09 AM
Regardless of which paper you read its hard to tell if you're reading the news or opinion section.

It's actually incredibly easy to tell the difference.  Same thing with advertisements.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 06:23:28 AM
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2022, 09:23:32 PM
Is that why the Hunter Biden laptop story was denied and blocked on social media platforms?  "Acceptable" is a pretty vague description.  All of our major media one can argue are unacceptable.  That doesn't mean every story they print is wrong.

It was blocked on social media platforms?  When was this?
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: brewcity77 on July 21, 2022, 06:46:48 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 06:22:05 AM
It's actually incredibly easy to tell the difference.  Same thing with advertisements.

You can tell how low the media literacy is in our country. That should really be taught in schools. We wouldn't be where we are now if Americans had any degree of media literacy.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 06:49:54 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 21, 2022, 06:46:48 AM
You can tell how low the media literacy is in our country. That should really be taught in schools. We wouldn't be where we are now if Americans had any degree of media literacy.

Agree, but much of the problem is also with adults.  The only way to fix this is to legislate media fairness and standards.  Like, you can't label something as 'news' unless it actually meets certain criteria.  Or we just have to go the other route and say opinion pieces get a scrolling banner at the bottom of the screen... or something to that effect.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: brewcity77 on July 21, 2022, 06:53:18 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 06:49:54 AM
Agree, but much of the problem is also with adults.  The only way to fix this is to legislate media fairness and standards.  Like, you can't label something as 'news' unless it actually meets certain criteria.  Or we just have to go the other route and say opinion pieces get a scrolling banner at the bottom of the screen... or something to that effect.

Getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine was a spectacularly destructive mistake, but those adults are the reason why we need to teach media literacy. None of them had been taught that, so when the Fairness Doctrine went away, they weren't prepared to mentally handle what came next.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 07:06:28 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 21, 2022, 06:53:18 AM
Getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine was a spectacularly destructive mistake, but those adults are the reason why we need to teach media literacy. None of them had been taught that, so when the Fairness Doctrine went away, they weren't prepared to mentally handle what came next.

Between the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine, Citizens United, and the overturning of Roe v Wade... I'm not sure which is the worst.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MuggsyB on July 21, 2022, 07:33:41 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 06:23:28 AM
It was blocked on social media platforms?  When was this?

You don't remember this?  That the NYP Twitter story was taken down? 
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: rocket surgeon on July 21, 2022, 08:16:39 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 06:23:28 AM
It was blocked on social media platforms?  When was this?

  they kept saying it was more russiarussiarussia conspiracy until...it wasn't

    summer/fall 2020...what a surprise.  gee, i wonder why the timing is kind of important

smartest guy his daddy knows

no problems here though
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 08:20:38 AM
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 21, 2022, 08:16:39 AM
  they kept saying it was more russiarussiarussia conspiracy until...it wasn't

    summer/fall 2020...what a surprise.  gee, i wonder why the timing is kind of important

smartest guy his daddy knows

no problems here though

The use of ellipses makes this a 7 of 10.  Lots of talking points is boring.  Try and wrangle in some wild conspiracy theories next time.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on July 21, 2022, 08:24:46 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 21, 2022, 06:53:18 AM
Getting rid of the Fairness Doctrine was a spectacularly destructive mistake, but those adults are the reason why we need to teach media literacy. None of them had been taught that, so when the Fairness Doctrine went away, they weren't prepared to mentally handle what came next.
Mistake? Worked exactly as intended, allowing them to catapult the propaganda as Shrub would say.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on July 21, 2022, 08:27:59 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 08:20:38 AM
The use of ellipses makes this a 7 of 10.  Lots of talking points is boring.  Try and wrangle in some wild conspiracy theories next time.

Ahhh, but he did. You know, how Russian influence wasn't real, it was just an effort by those damn libs to tar poor, old, innocent Drumpf.

I'm surprised he remembers to breathe sometimes.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 08:29:08 AM
Quote from: TSmith34 on July 21, 2022, 08:27:59 AM
Ahhh, but he did. You know, how Russian influence wasn't real, it was just an effort by those damn libs to tar poor, old, innocent Drumpf.

I'm surprised he remembers to breath sometimes.

I need more wild conspiracy theories like Jewish space lasers to bump his score up
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MuggsyB on July 21, 2022, 08:50:28 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 08:20:38 AM
The use of ellipses makes this a 7 of 10.  Lots of talking points is boring.  Try and wrangle in some wild conspiracy theories next time.

The fact is the mass media and big-tech buried or blocked  the story and then essentially admitted it was true.  The New York Times admitted it, the Washington Post admitted it, and then the major news  channels and publications admitted it.  Now, that doesn't mean the NYPost doesn't have tons of garbage but again that doesn't mean everything in  every article they publish is wrong.   

If you are a Republican and don't think Trump is an colossal scumbag you're living in la-la-land.  However, if you're a Dem and  don't believe Biden is also a barely living scumfk along with his dip-schite  and criminal son you are also living in la-la-land.  These people are beyond awful and need to go away.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Pakuni on July 21, 2022, 08:57:23 AM
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2022, 08:50:28 AM
The fact is that the mass media buried or blocked  the story and then essentially admitted it was true.  The New York Times admitted, it the Washington Post admitted it, and then the major news  channels and publications admitted it.  Now, that doesn't mean the NYP doesn't have tons of garbage but again that doesn't mean everything in  every article ithey publish s wrong.   If you are a Republican and don't think Trump is an colossal scumbag you're living in la-la-land.  However, if your a Dem and  don't believe Biden is also living scumfk with his dipcrape and criminal son you are also living in la-la-land.  These people are beyond awful and need to go away.

This isn't exactly true.
The NYT and WaPo and others have reported that there is indeed a Hunter Biden laptop and that emails contained therein are part of an investigation. This, in fact, was never denied.
They have not reported or confirmed the Post's most scandalous claims about the laptop's contents. In fact, further reporting has called those claims into question.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MuggsyB on July 21, 2022, 09:06:23 AM
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2022, 08:57:23 AM
This isn't exactly true.
The NYT and WaPo and others have reported that there is indeed a Hunter Biden laptop and that emails contained therein are part of an investigation. This, in fact, was never denied.
They have not reported or confirmed the Post's most scandalous claims about the laptop's contents. In fact, further reporting has called those claims into question.

So you think Hunter is innocent?  Great.  They denied that it was his laptop for a year and completely buried the story for a year on big-tech.  I would be surprised if anything on or erased from that laptop isn't the tip of the iceberg for Hunter.  He's a criminal and his dad is a liar.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: dgies9156 on July 21, 2022, 09:07:44 AM
Back to George Carlin.

The Milwaukee Police Department was a very different organization in 1973 than it is now. Under the leadership of then Chief Harold Brier, the Department was extremely reactionary and not above enforcing whatever law they felt like, no matter how ridiculous they looked in the process.

Keep in mind too that this was a time of considerable generational turmoil. Today's Boomers were the "Don't Trust Anyone Over 30" generation as the very oldest of Boomer was 27 at the time. The average Boomer was about 17 and most concerned about whether he was to be drafted. Our generation had an uncanny ability to absolutely p*ss off our parents and their generation. Chief Brier was about "law and order" and "knowing your place."

George Carlin wasn't and the Battle of Summerfest was a culmination of the generational Battle Between Boomers and our parents' generation.

Some things never change......
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on July 21, 2022, 09:10:34 AM
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2022, 09:06:23 AM
So you think Hunter is innocent?  Great.  They denied that it was his laptop for a year and completely buried the story for a year on big-tech.  I would be surprised if anything on or erased from that laptop isn't the tip of the iceberg for Hunter.  He's a criminal and his dad is a liar.
Are you talking about Junior or Eric?
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 09:13:42 AM
Carlin was great in Dogma
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MuggsyB on July 21, 2022, 09:13:54 AM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on July 21, 2022, 09:10:34 AM
Are you talking about Junior or Eric?

They're all likely criminals.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 09:16:49 AM
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2022, 09:13:54 AM
They're all likely criminals.

So is Batman
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MU82 on July 21, 2022, 09:18:43 AM
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2022, 09:06:23 AM
So you think Hunter is innocent?  Great.  They denied that it was his laptop for a year and completely buried the story for a year on big-tech.  I would be surprised if anything on or erased from that laptop isn't the tip of the iceberg for Hunter.  He's a criminal and his dad is a liar.

Pakuni didn't say Hunter was "innocent." Did you read what he said before charging full-steam ahead into your diatribe?

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2022, 08:50:28 AM

If you are a Republican and don't think Trump is an colossal scumbag you're living in la-la-land.  However, if you're a Dem and  don't believe Biden is also a barely living scumfk along with his dip-schite  and criminal son you are also living in la-la-land.  These people are beyond awful and need to go away.

False equivalence. Only one of the two actively, aggressively, treasonously tried to overturn the results of a free, fair election and then, when that failed, fomented a violent coup against his own country. The coup attempt was built on a lie that he began sowing months before the election and only grew after he lost. His own advisers -- his own family -- told him over and over again that he had no basis for his claims, and on 1/6/21 many of them begged him to stop the violence that resulted in deaths and injuries to police and others. But he gleefully watched the carnage from the safety of the White House, and said his own vice president deserved to be hung.

But yeah ... Hunter Biden.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 09:20:00 AM
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 21, 2022, 09:07:44 AM
Back to George Carlin.

The Milwaukee Police Department was a very different organization in 1973 than it is now. Under the leadership of then Chief Harold Brier, the Department was extremely reactionary and not above enforcing whatever law they felt like, no matter how ridiculous they looked in the process.

Keep in mind too that this was a time of considerable generational turmoil. Today's Boomers were the "Don't Trust Anyone Over 30" generation as the very oldest of Boomer was 27 at the time. The average Boomer was about 17 and most concerned about whether he was to be drafted. Our generation had an uncanny ability to absolutely p*ss off our parents and their generation. Chief Brier was about "law and order" and "knowing your place."

George Carlin wasn't and the Battle of Summerfest was a culmination of the generational Battle Between Boomers and our parents' generation.

Some things never change......

Yeah, and now you guys are the reactionaries. :D
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 09:20:35 AM
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2022, 09:13:54 AM
They're all likely criminals.

Fixed
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MuggsyB on July 21, 2022, 09:20:52 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 09:16:49 AM
So is Batman

Bats are much cooler than Batman.

Fair enough , we can drop the subject.  Carlin's rant on people that should be killed is hilarious. 
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: rocket surgeon on July 21, 2022, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on July 21, 2022, 09:10:34 AM
Are you talking about Junior or Eric?

carlin was great at testing and/or pushing the boundries kinda like the missing diaries or dropped off lap top
           especially love hb rehab/detox in the suspension tank, bare arse nekid, with a hard seltzer and his unit in one hand and a crack pipe in the other or the personalized pornhub account is a nice use of time between burisma board meetings
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on July 21, 2022, 09:29:24 AM
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 21, 2022, 09:07:44 AM
Back to George Carlin.

The Milwaukee Police Department was a very different organization in 1973 than it is now. Under the leadership of then Chief Harold Brier, the Department was extremely reactionary and not above enforcing whatever law they felt like, no matter how ridiculous they looked in the process.

Keep in mind too that this was a time of considerable generational turmoil. Today's Boomers were the "Don't Trust Anyone Over 30" generation as the very oldest of Boomer was 27 at the time. The average Boomer was about 17 and most concerned about whether he was to be drafted. Our generation had an uncanny ability to absolutely p*ss off our parents and their generation. Chief Brier was about "law and order" and "knowing your place."

George Carlin wasn't and the Battle of Summerfest was a culmination of the generational Battle Between Boomers and our parents' generation.

Some things never change......

don't forget Judge Christ Seraphim
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Pakuni on July 21, 2022, 09:33:35 AM
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2022, 09:06:23 AM
So you think Hunter is innocent?  Great.  They denied that it was his laptop for a year and completely buried the story for a year on big-tech.  I would be surprised if anything on or erased from that laptop isn't the tip of the iceberg for Hunter.  He's a criminal and his dad is a liar.

1. Innocent of what?
2. Who is they? And please back up what you say.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 09:34:54 AM
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 21, 2022, 09:28:43 AM
carlin was great at testing and/or pushing the boundries kinda like the missing diaries or dropped off lap top
           especially love hb rehab/detox in the suspension tank, bare arse nekid, with a hard seltzer and his unit in one hand and a crack pipe in the other or the personalized pornhub account is a nice use of time between burisma board meetings

You going to answer me as to who your favorite undergrad prof was?
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: dgies9156 on July 21, 2022, 10:25:15 AM
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on July 21, 2022, 09:29:24 AM
don't forget Judge Christ Seraphim

I try every day to. Sheesh!
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MU82 on July 21, 2022, 11:13:43 AM
You trust the media more than you say you do

Opinion piece by Jack Shafer, Politico's senior media writer

https://www.editorandpublisher.com/stories/opinion-you-trust-the-media-more-than-you-say-you-do,235165

If you follow the trendline of plummeting trust in newspapers, as just updated by Gallup, you could make an argument that by the year 2030 or so, 0 percent of respondents will say they have any "confidence" in newspapers and TV news.

It sounds ridiculous, but that's the direction the data is headed. In 1979, 51 percent of those polled said they had a "great deal" or "quite a lot" of confidence in newspaper journalism. But in Gallup's latest poll this week, the number dropped to 16 percent, marking a steep four-and-a-half decade decline. Confidence in TV news has fared even worse, dropping from 46 percent in 1991 to 11 percent today.

Will the last poll respondent to lose confidence in newspapers and TV news, please cancel his subscription and turn off his TV?

This downer news about the news — and its hell-bound trajectory — surely measures something, but what? Other surveys by the Pew Research Center and the Reuters Institute bring similar findings. Could it be that newspapers are demonstrably worse than they were decades ago? No. Would anybody who was reading newspapers in 1979 say that? No, any honest assessment would find today's newspapers more timely and accurate, fairer, and often better-written than the newspapers of 1979. So, what gives?

Newspapers aren't alone in suffering a confidence decline. As Gallup reported earlier this month, 11 of 16 important American institutions have witnessed significant declines in confidence, including the criminal justice system, the presidency, the Supreme Court, public schools and even the military. (Congress rated only 4 percent confidence in the Gallup poll, beating out the news media for last place.)

Citing a near-universal decline in institutional confidence isn't an attempt to offer an excuse for newspapers. But it illustrates the pervasiveness of public colic over American life and society, and suggests the institutions might not have changed as much as the perceptions of them have. The best explanation for the uniform drops might be that we're living in an age of heightened criticism and scrutiny that leaves no faults or blemishes unnoticed compared to earlier eras. Politicians, activists and the press itself are all more critical of institutions than they were in the 1970s. If the public has lost confidence in so many institutions, how did they come to that realization? It's safe to say that they learned much of what they know about institutional failings from what they read in newspapers or saw on TV news. In this environment, even the common man becomes a hanging judge, especially when the press goes on trial.

Another possible reason the press might have lost confidence: Reporting has not just become more critical in the past 40 years, but it's also started covering topics it left largely untouched in earlier times. As Matthew Pressman wrote in his 2018 book, On Press: The Liberal Values That Shaped the News, as recently as the early 1960s, newspapers largely ignored matters of race, sex, class and inequity, topics that can make some readers squirm. There weren't many stories about gender or trans issues in 1979. Other sacred cows, like organized religion, get much more scrutiny today than they did yesterday. Is the press at least partly responsible for the decline in confidence in organized religion from 68 percent in 1975 to 31 this year? Seems likely. If so, the disdain for the press might be linked to the "blame the messenger" mindset.

It's also easy to surmise that some of the negativity toward the press originates in how many members of the political class talk about it. Politicians have long blamed the press for their shortcomings and failures, but that increased in the mid-1960s, as George Wallace showered the press with his bile. President Richard Nixon and his vice president, Spiro Agnew, imitated Wallace to good political effect. Other pols have followed, but none so aggressively as President Donald Trump, who placed press-bashing at the center of his oratorical agenda, declaring that "the Fake News Media" is "the true Enemy of the People." Even President Joe Biden is known to slam the press. Last month on Jimmy Kimmel Live, he blamed some of his troubles on a sensationalist press and click-chasing. In our polarized age — particularly one where internet myths proliferate, and people struggle to distinguish news from opinion — it's no surprise so many are eager to discount the media.

Yet does the public really have such a low opinion of newspapers? Gallup's wording of its question is pretty vague. It didn't ask respondents to rate the specific newspapers they read but to express their levels of confidence in the newspaper as an institution. They might have gotten a more positive answer if they had asked people how they feel about the daily newspaper they actually read. When the Pew Research Center asked this question in 2005, they found that 80 percent of Americans give favorable ratings to their daily. Local TV news, cable news and network TV news are rated only slightly worse. Granted, that's data from a 17-year-old survey, but it shows that asking a slightly different question about the press can produce a startlingly different answer.

Hating newspapers but loving one's own daily has a congressional parallel familiar to many in Washington. In 1978, political scientist Richard Fenno formulated "Fenno's paradox," which states that people generally disapprove of Congress but support their own congressman. That's why members of Congress often run against Congress. If Fenno's paradox applies to newspapers, perhaps the crisis in confidence Gallup has measured isn't all of what it's cracked up to be.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: HouWarrior on July 21, 2022, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 21, 2022, 10:25:15 AM
I try every day to. Sheesh!
Another example.
Chief Brier loved the grandstanding of protecting the morality of Milwaukee
In the same time period, an x rated movie was released and shown in a theater (on Lisbon?) called the Devil in Miss Jones.
Georgina Spelvin starred as Ms Jones. As a promotional treat she appeared in person at the theater and was promised to perform--nekkid!!
Well my 19 year old (18 was "adult" back then) hormones required as a young MUer that I must explore and learn of this special show. I plunked down my $5 and got a single seat on the aisle ,

Georgina talked for five minutes, and began a soft Sally Rand style  nekkid dance. Actually in person she was very pretty.

MPD abruptly popped my fantasy....at least 10 cops in the aisles and exits, and half a dozen more rushed the stage to capture and arrest the brazen Ms Spelvin.

I was a bit concerned for my own freedom....how would I explain to my parents I was arrested for looking at a nekkid lady?   

Well upon the arrest and her removal, all of the cops left.  $5 was money in those days so I stayed to see the movie. An interesting watch 3 stars

Spelvin was released with a fine and proceeded with her show for two more nights ...the press garnered packed the next shows and theater was glad to front the fines.

Chief Brier arrested ...the press reported, and while some joined our Chief in the outrage... others simply became intrigued to go see what caused the hubbub. 

BTW this would be considered mild stuff nowadays but back then this was the extreme edge of sinnin' I am a sinner.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Goose on July 21, 2022, 11:39:47 AM
HouWarrior

The Parkway was quite the place. I had a friend that ran the projector there in the early '80's and spent a couple of Saturday afternoons there. Definitely an eye opener for a 19y guy.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MU82 on July 21, 2022, 12:33:24 PM
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on July 21, 2022, 09:29:24 AM
don't forget Judge Christ Seraphim

Reminds me of the joke one of my buddies used to tell when we are at MU:

"I'm sober as a judge ... Judge Seraphim."
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: tower912 on July 21, 2022, 12:39:19 PM
Who here got ticketed for jaywalking during the Breier years?
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: HouWarrior on July 21, 2022, 01:44:25 PM
Appropriate to the moment
Attached press photo from:

Chief Brier and then suspended Judge Christ Seraphim, joined by head of MPD's Band climb on the bus to sing carols to a group from the Badger Home for the Blind,...at Christmastime 

Pity the poor residents trapped on the bus who "blindly" followed these two yahoos
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MU82 on July 21, 2022, 02:33:10 PM
Quote from: tower912 on July 21, 2022, 12:39:19 PM
Who here got ticketed for jaywalking during the Breier years?

I got stopped once; only got a warning.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: tower912 on July 21, 2022, 02:37:23 PM
Hippie.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: dgies9156 on July 21, 2022, 03:55:58 PM
Quote from: tower912 on July 21, 2022, 12:39:19 PM
Who here got ticketed for jaywalking during the Breier years?

Me

Probably still a warrant somewhere in Milwaukee for my arrest.

There was an old, heavy cop at 6th and Wisconsin whose job was to yell at jay walkers. Every one. Every day.

I think that's all he did.

As to the question that we're the reactionaries, well, possibly. But keep in mind it was our generation that broke the hold of the backroom politicians on the Democratic Party. It was our generation that sent Richard Nixon down in flames. And, yes, we elected Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Jockey on July 21, 2022, 04:42:57 PM
Quote from: tower912 on July 21, 2022, 12:39:19 PM
Who here got ticketed for jaywalking during the Breier years?

They used to arrest tons of people after Bucks playoff wins.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: tower912 on July 21, 2022, 12:39:19 PM
Who here got ticketed for jaywalking during the Breier years?

My father got a jaywalking ticket in the 70s in MKE.  Soooo there's that.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: tower912 on July 21, 2022, 05:09:19 PM
A couple of times going from dorm to class or vice versa, I had jay walked out to a traffic island only to have a cruiser pull up and drive slowly next to me as I dutifully walked to a crosswalk.   But no ticket.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: HouWarrior on July 21, 2022, 05:21:52 PM
Jay walking is a two way street.

We had history class at the Varsity.

My freshman year a young man, an MUer I think, jumped out into traffic ...iaywalking... and splat ...hit and killed by a car.
I remember the look on the driver's face at the scene, after it happened, when I arrived....my god I wouldnt wish that grief on any driver
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Lennys Tap on July 22, 2022, 12:25:59 AM
Quote from: tower912 on July 21, 2022, 12:39:19 PM
Who here got ticketed for jaywalking during the Breier years?

Early May, 1970, around 1am. My girlfriend and I crossed Wells between 14th and 15th on our way to the Avalanche. Not only did we get ticketed, we were taken to the courthouse via paddy wagon - the arresting officer said we needed to post bail since we would both be graduated before our court date and would be long gone from Milwaukee - she to St Louis, me to Chicago. Cop was real chivalrous (for a total dick, anyway) - he let my girlfriend ride upfront. I was relegated to th back with the handcuffed father stabbers and mother rapers.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Lennys Tap on July 22, 2022, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 10:39:21 PM
Carlin was hilarious.

Good comedians push the envelope and make honest people laugh at their foibles. Give me Dave Chappelle, Norm McDonald, Bill Burr, Louie C.K., etc. over Seth Rogan any day.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: JWags85 on July 22, 2022, 11:53:24 AM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 22, 2022, 11:51:40 AM
Good comedians push the envelope and make honest people laugh at their foibles. Give me Dave Chappelle, Norm McDonald, Bill Burr, Louie C.K., etc. over Seth Rogan any day.

Burr's most recent standup is a masterclass
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Lennys Tap on July 22, 2022, 11:59:05 AM
Quote from: JWags85 on July 22, 2022, 11:53:24 AM
Burr's most recent standup is a masterclass

Is that the one from Red Rock? Hilarious.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MuggsyB on July 22, 2022, 12:23:40 PM
I think being a great stand-up comedian may be the most difficult job in showbiz.  And even the very best have tons of nights where they tank for whatever reason. 
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: JWags85 on July 22, 2022, 02:25:34 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 22, 2022, 11:59:05 AM
Is that the one from Red Rock? Hilarious.

Yep, its phenomenal
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 22, 2022, 04:11:37 PM
That's good to hear because the last BB special I watched on Netflix was verrrrrrrrrrrrrry mediocre.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: MU1in77 on July 22, 2022, 04:22:35 PM
I was at Summerfest the night Carlin was arrested, also there the next year for the Humble Pie riot.  This was back when the main stage was just a tent with some bleacher seating and main acts were included in general admission.  I think beer was 50 cents, but I had friends who worked beer tents, so it was free along with the tickets.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: rocket surgeon on July 23, 2022, 05:57:59 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 21, 2022, 09:34:54 AM
You going to answer me as to who your favorite undergrad prof was?

my microbiology professor-1980-became my advisor after i fired my original, a history guy

doc mckinney organic chem

my Spanish TA-talk about "hot for teacher" unique way to speaka espanol
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on July 24, 2022, 11:57:16 AM
I was at the concert (7/21/72) when Carlin was arrested.  He was opening for Arlo Guthrie.  Initially, my friends and I all thought the six officers coming onto the stage was part of a strange schtick.  About twenty minutes later the word came through the crowd that he had been arrested for using "The Seven Words".  In the future Carlin referred to the words as the "Milwaukee Seven".  He was a creative genius and one of my favorites.
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: JWags85 on July 24, 2022, 12:55:47 PM
I always found it hysterical that George Carlin, profane and crass and counter culture as he was, was Mr Conductor on a kids show like Shining Time Station and narrated other Thomas the Tank Engine cartoons
Title: Re: George Carlin '73
Post by: tower912 on July 24, 2022, 03:51:25 PM
Not to mention Rufus in Bill and Ted.
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