I probably won't be watching tonight as my kid has a double header. But if the Lions pick Willis at 2, it is proof that this regime is as bad as the rest.
If he is still around with the Ram's pick, perhaps. Get a impact player on defense at 2. Or trade down if somebody makes a good enough offer.
Quote from: tower912 on April 28, 2022, 08:34:28 AM
I probably won't be watching tonight as my kid has a double header. But if the Lions pick Willis at 2, it is proof that this regime is as bad as the rest.
I've adopted the Lions as my team and If they do this, I will strongly reconsider my allegiance. I hope they understand the ramifications of such a pick
Quote from: tower912 on April 28, 2022, 08:34:28 AM
I probably won't be watching tonight as my kid has a double header. But if the Lions pick Willis at 2, it is proof that this regime is as bad as the rest.
At least they wouldn't be trading up to draft the NCAA leader in interceptions, who was playing in a mid-major (at best, for football) conference.
Quote from: tower912 on April 28, 2022, 08:34:28 AM
I probably won't be watching tonight as my kid has a double header. But if the Lions pick Willis at 2, it is proof that this regime is as bad as the rest.
If he is still around with the Ram's pick, perhaps. Get a impact player on defense at 2. Or trade down if somebody makes a good enough offer.
Bad teams should always pick D-line and O-line until they've cemented those positions. If you can't protect your franchise QB... well, we've all seen what happens.
He gets traded to LA, wins a Super Bowl, and does AT&T commercials.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 28, 2022, 08:44:47 AM
Bad teams should always pick D-line and O-line until they've cemented those positions. If you can't protect your franchise QB... well, we've all seen what happens.
Yep. I'm hoping the Panthers finally draft their franchise LT. They've already made some solid moves to help what had been a bad OL, and drafting one of the 3 LT studs at the top would be nice.
Given past History, the Lions could have the entire first round of picks and still finish last
Last year Joe Burrow tore his ACL because his offensive lineman couldn't protect him. This year the Bengals gave up the 3rd most sacks in the NFL. They still went to a Super Bowl (and had a 4th quarter lead).
Trade Love to da Lions for #2, hey?
Quote from: tower912 on April 28, 2022, 08:46:12 AM
He gets traded to LA, wins a Super Bowl, and does AT&T commercials.
I think it's a pretty good commercial, tbh.
Pack will select at least 1 receiver in da 1st rd. Maybe even trade up to get da dude from tOSU.
Its all 'bout strokin' #12 now. Squeaky wheel gets da grease. aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 28, 2022, 09:16:14 AM
Pack will select at least 1 receiver in da 1st rd. Maybe even trade up to get da dude from tOSU.
Its all 'bout strokin' #12 now. Squeaky wheel gets da grease. aina?
They should trade 12 for the #2 pick and get Nick Foles to play QB
Quote from: wadesworld on April 28, 2022, 09:05:09 AM
Last year Joe Burrow tore his ACL because his offensive lineman couldn't protect him. This year the Bengals gave up the 3rd most sacks in the NFL. They still went to a Super Bowl (and had a 4th quarter lead).
Okay, now do Chicago.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 28, 2022, 09:29:40 AM
Okay, now do Chicago.
They don't have a franchise quarterback.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 28, 2022, 09:34:15 AM
They don't have a franchise quarterback.
Nor could they protect one if they did.
Can't wait for the Packers to draft a safety at 22 and trade 28 out of the 1st round.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 28, 2022, 09:05:09 AM
Last year Joe Burrow tore his ACL because his offensive lineman couldn't protect him. This year the Bengals gave up the 3rd most sacks in the NFL. They still went to a Super Bowl (and had a 4th quarter lead).
The Bengals went out and spent $74 million ($31 million guaranteed at signing) on free agent offensive lineman because they knew this was not sustainable.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 28, 2022, 09:47:57 AM
Can't wait for the Packers to draft a safety at 22 and trade 28 out of the 1st round.
Ted is gone.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 28, 2022, 09:47:57 AM
Can't wait for the Packers to draft a safety at 22 and trade 28 out of the 1st round.
I kinda hope this happens just for the fan reaction.
Quote from: MUfan12 on April 28, 2022, 09:59:00 AM
I kinda hope this happens just for the fan reaction.
I'm a Packers fan and honestly, it'd be worth it. That would be worldclass trolling.
Excited to see where Bo Callahan ends up, could see Cleveland moving up to get him.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 28, 2022, 10:57:26 AM
Excited to see where Bo Callahan ends up, could see Cleveland moving up to get him.
Did you go to his birthday party? I didn't, and nobody I know went.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 28, 2022, 11:43:51 AM
Did you go to his birthday party? I didn't, and nobody I know went.
I didn't, but I ran into him at a bar, and he had a crisp $100 bill in his hand. Said he "didn't know" where it came from.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 28, 2022, 11:53:30 AM
I didn't, but I ran into him at a bar, and he had a crisp $100 bill in his hand. Said he "didn't know" where it came from.
That's a good one Dish, you pancake eating motherlover
Quote from: wadesworld on April 28, 2022, 09:05:09 AM
Last year Joe Burrow tore his ACL because his offensive lineman couldn't protect him. This year the Bengals gave up the 3rd most sacks in the NFL. They still went to a Super Bowl (and had a 4th quarter lead).
Burrow was incredible last season. It's amazing he made it through the season in one piece, let alone did what he did.
Packers will probably draft a RB and QB base on their History of not drafting for need.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 28, 2022, 11:53:30 AM
I didn't, but I ran into him at a bar, and he had a crisp $100 bill in his hand. Said he "didn't know" where it came from.
Typical UW player.
... and David g+&$@-& Putney
Lions go chalk at two, I see. Probably for the best. High energy on every play edge rusher.
If you're a team that wants a WR, the first six picks could not have gone better.
(Holding a Vikings first pick to be a WR at +1000)
Things broke perfectly for the Panthers. They wanted one of the 3 stud OTs in the draft, and all 3 were still on the board at No. 6 when they picked.
They ended up getting NC State's Ikem Ekwonu, whom some had rated as the No. 1 player in the entire draft.
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2022, 07:54:36 PM
Things broke perfectly for the Panthers. They wanted one of the 3 stud OTs in the draft, and all 3 were still on the board at No. 6 when they picked.
They ended up getting NC State's Ikem Ekwonu, whom some had rated as the No. 1 player in the entire draft.
Congrats to the Panthers they got a monster
London, Wilson, and Olave off the board at 8, 10, and 11.
Still don't think the Packers will draft a WR in the 1st round. The remaining WR have too many question marks.
WR run continues with Jameson Williams at 12. Detroit giving up 32, a 2nd, and a 3rd to move up for him.
Gotta say, the Saints and Lions gave up a lot to get WRs that aren't franchise WR in my opinion.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 28, 2022, 08:30:50 PM
WR run continues with Jameson Williams at 12. Detroit giving up 32, a 2nd, and a 3rd to move up for him.
Seems like a lot for a the Lions to give up to a divisional opponent for a player still recovering from an ACL
I love live betting the draft.
Hoping the Pack is able to pick Treylon Burks at 22
Can Vikes get Spielman back?
The Vikings moving back 20 spots in the first round and not getting a future first rounder back is...not ideal.
AJ Brown to Philly.
This has not been a good night for the Green Bay Packers.
Crap The Titans traded up to get Treylon Burks
Hopefully Christian Watson or George Pickens left for the Pack
I'm not convinced the Packers have ever been interested in drafting a receiver.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 28, 2022, 09:09:09 PM
Crap The Titans traded up to get Treylon Burks
Hopefully Christian Watson or George Pickens left for the Pack
If I'm GB I'm trying to trade for Deebo or Metcalf now.
Quote from: forgetful on April 28, 2022, 09:14:27 PM
If I'm GB I'm trying to trade for Deebo or Metcalf now.
I'm kind of wondering if they go Lockett. Probably costs less.
Last 2 years they got beat up and knocked out of the playoffs by teams with 2 great inside backers. I think that played into the pick here at #22.
Pack gets a Georgia guy so probably won't be a flop , but they need WR and TE
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 28, 2022, 09:34:48 PM
Pack gets a Georgia guy so probably won't be a flop , but they need WR and TE
All the best WRs were off the board, and there wasn't a TE rated highly enough to take there. Take the highest-rated player on your board. I assume that's what GB did.
Can never have too many good linebackers.
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2022, 09:36:38 PM
All the best WRs were off the board, and there wasn't a TE rated highly enough to take there. Take the highest-rated player on your board. I assume that's what GB did.
Plus it was a huge need. Their 2nd ILB was an undrafted FA. The 3rd guy was just bad who never got on the field and was a huge contributor on one of the worst Special Teams in recent memory.
Quote from: Jockey on April 28, 2022, 09:33:43 PM
Last 2 years they got beat up and knocked out of the playoffs by teams with 2 great inside backers. I think that played into the pick here at #22.
They should have figured that out after Jason Pierre-Paul came up here and beat them the first time in a big post season game.
I really like the Walker pick. He looks like a beast. Add Dax Hill at 28 and I will be happy. An elite defense.
The Packers have had a lot of success in the second round with WRs. I think they can still address the position even if they don't pick one at 28.
Walker totally would have been there at 28.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 28, 2022, 09:57:25 PM
Walker totally would have been there at 28.
The Packers obviously didn't think so.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 28, 2022, 09:51:50 PM
I really like the Walker pick. He looks like a beast. Add Dax Hill at 28 and I will be happy. An elite defense.
I hate the idea of a safety at 28 - but both starting safeties this year are probably in their last year in GB. They need to address it in this draft but there are some decent guys left in the 3rd and 4th rounds.
ESPN really going heavy on the Rodgers reaction to the Packers not drafting a WR since pick 22.
Another Georgia Guy at 28. Should be solid.
Need to get WR or TE soon .
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2022, 09:36:38 PM
All the best WRs were off the board, and there wasn't a TE rated highly enough to take there. Take the highest-rated player on your board. I assume that's what GB did.
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If only there were a way to use their four picks in the first two rounds to move up for or trade for a receiver.
If it wasn't for the off the field stuff, I'd love the Wyatt pick. Good at both run defense and pass rushing. The type of 3-4 DE that Green Bay has missing for awhile.
But with Wyatt having some domestic incidents in his past, including one arrest for "family violence", I have some reservations.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 28, 2022, 10:38:21 PM
If it wasn't for the off the field stuff, I'd love the Wyatt pick. Good at both run defense and pass rushing. The type of 3-4 DE that Green Bay has missing for awhile.
But with Wyatt having some domestic incidents in his past, including one arrest for "family violence", I have some reservations.
Going to be hard to root for with that in his past.
He's extremely talented and a guy that could absolutely wreck crap on this defense. But character matters.
Packers draft day 2:
WR, TE, S, OL, and Edge Rusher are the positions to watch.
I would imagine at least one WR. Very likely a second pass catcher at WR/TE as well.
Still think there is a decent chance that Packers end up with Tyler Lockett.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 28, 2022, 10:23:51 PM
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If only there were a way to use their four picks in the first two rounds to move up for or trade for a receiver.
Yeah, I don't follow the Packers or know what's going through management's mind. I was just saying why they didn't draft a WR or TE at 22.
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2022, 11:10:41 PM
Yeah, I don't follow the Packers or know what's going through management's mind. I was just saying why they didn't draft a WR or TE at 22.
I wanted the Packers to grab a WR in this draft, but after the major run (6 drafted before 22), I'm kind of glad they didn't. I think one of the next two might still be available when they pick at 53, but it is risky.
I'd like to see them possibly package 53 and 92 to move up and grab Watson. If not, grab another Georgia guy (Pickens) towards the end of round 2.
Use the other 2nd round pick on a TE.
Double up on WR's by grabbing Khalil Shakir (can be very good out of the slot) or Tyquan Thorton (probably an upgrade to MVS as a deep threat) later on.
Quote from: forgetful on April 28, 2022, 11:53:17 PM
I wanted the Packers to grab a WR in this draft, but after the major run (6 drafted before 22), I'm kind of glad they didn't. I think one of the next two might still be available when they pick at 53, but it is risky.
I'd like to see them possibly package 53 and 92 to move up and grab Watson. If not, grab another Georgia guy (Pickens) towards the end of round 2.
Use the other 2nd round pick on a TE.
Double up on WR's by grabbing Khalil Shakir (can be very good out of the slot) or Tyquan Thorton (probably an upgrade to MVS as a deep threat) later on.
Christian Watson. 6'4, runs a 4.36.. has hands.
Packers draft grade so far is a F
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 28, 2022, 09:57:25 PM
Walker totally would have been there at 28.
Doesn't matter. If that's the guy they wanted and the highest rated remaining on their board, you take him. They have to trust their own research not the dozens of so called experts. The same thing was said about Alexander, Stokes, Gary. They all turned out pretty good.
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 28, 2022, 10:40:18 PM
Going to be hard to root for with that in his past.
He's extremely talented and a guy that could absolutely wreck crap on this defense. But character matters.
From what I heard it was one incident and the charges were dropped. Not a pattern of other problems. We will see, but they said they dug deep into his background and character and Gutey is a guy who typically doesn't take chances on bad guys.
Quote from: hairy worthen on April 29, 2022, 07:14:10 AM
From what I heard it was one incident and the charges were dropped. Not a pattern of other problems. We will see, but they said they dug deep into his background and character and Gutey is a guy who typically doesn't take chances on bad guys.
From the reading I've done it was kicking a door and yelling. I don't believe he hit or injured anyone.
If the goal of first round is to get players who can immediately contribute, then by that standard the first round was a success .
Hopefully in round two and three the Packers can address their specific needs at WR and TE
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 29, 2022, 08:21:50 AM
If the goal of first round is to get players who can immediately contribute, then by that standard the first round was a success .
Hopefully in round two and three the Packers can address their specific needs at WR and TE
Jordan Love agrees with this.
Pro Football Focus was not a fan of the Walker pick. Liked the Wyatt pick.
22. Green Bay Packers: LB Quay Walker, Georgia
Pick Grade: Poor
This was a reach in the eyes of PFF, who had Walker as the 45th-ranked player overall on the Big Board and LB4. The Georgia off-ball linebacker isn't a downhill player in the run game, and he was still more of a reactor than a playmaker. On the bright side, he does have an elite physical profile. Walker is so good at wrapping defenders up with his near 80-inch wingspan. Throughout his collegiate career, Walker missed just seven tackles on 138 attempts.
28. Green Bay Packers: DI Devonte Wyatt, Georgia
Pick Grade: Good
Many expected Green Bay to break the "no wide receiver in the Round 1" streak, but they opted not to do so by grabbing PFF's top-ranked interior defensive lineman, Devonte Wyatt. No Power Five interior defensive lineman earned a higher PFF grade in 2021. Wyatt also earned a grade above 80.0 both against the run and as a pass-rusher — something no other player at the position in the Power Five accomplished. The former Georgia Bulldog was the most impactful interior defender in the Power Five. That carried through the Senior Bowl, where he led all at the position in win rate during the one-on-ones.
The Athletic was just the opposite, giving the Walker pick a 'B' grade and Wyatt a 'C-'.
I think they Packer's scouting team and FO love guys who have great combines.
So Walker is an elite athlete that is also a good tackler? Yes please, I'll take that. And Wyatt will be a beast with Kenny Clark. It's optimist Friday
Quote from: Pakuni on April 29, 2022, 08:24:48 AM
Pro Football Focus was not a fan of the Walker pick. Liked the Wyatt pick.
22. Green Bay Packers: LB Quay Walker, Georgia
Pick Grade: Poor
This was a reach in the eyes of PFF, who had Walker as the 45th-ranked player overall on the Big Board and LB4. The Georgia off-ball linebacker isn't a downhill player in the run game, and he was still more of a reactor than a playmaker. On the bright side, he does have an elite physical profile. Walker is so good at wrapping defenders up with his near 80-inch wingspan. Throughout his collegiate career, Walker missed just seven tackles on 138 attempts.
28. Green Bay Packers: DI Devonte Wyatt, Georgia
Pick Grade: Good
Many expected Green Bay to break the "no wide receiver in the Round 1" streak, but they opted not to do so by grabbing PFF's top-ranked interior defensive lineman, Devonte Wyatt. No Power Five interior defensive lineman earned a higher PFF grade in 2021. Wyatt also earned a grade above 80.0 both against the run and as a pass-rusher — something no other player at the position in the Power Five accomplished. The former Georgia Bulldog was the most impactful interior defender in the Power Five. That carried through the Senior Bowl, where he led all at the position in win rate during the one-on-ones.
The Athletic was just the opposite, giving the Walker pick a 'B' grade and Wyatt a 'C-'.
Walker is a big swing - all projection. All the measurables are there (I thought the KGB comp by measurables was extremely interesting - https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/quay-walker), but I guess I don't see it.
I would have taken Pickens and the f'd around and saw what happened. I like Wyatt as a player. He's old - wonder if he'd even be considered for a 2nd contract given he'd be 29 5 years from now - but that's a future problem. If he hits for 5 years, you'll live with that.
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 29, 2022, 12:30:35 PM
Walker is a big swing - all projection. All the measurables are there (I thought the KGB comp by measurables was extremely interesting - https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/quay-walker), but I guess I don't see it.
I would have taken Pickens and the f'd around and saw what happened. I like Wyatt as a player. He's old - wonder if he'd even be considered for a 2nd contract given he'd be 29 5 years from now - but that's a future problem. If he hits for 5 years, you'll live with that.
Defensive line was arguably as bad or worse than the wide receiver position. Run defense was brutal. They have addressed that.
Now it's time for WR and OL.
Quote from: Jockey on April 29, 2022, 01:31:59 PM
Defensive line was arguably as bad or worse than the wide receiver position. Run defense was brutal. They have addressed that.
Now it's time for WR and OL.
Oh, I agree. And I think this solidifies what their primary Nickel front will be: 2 DL (Clark, Wyatt), 2 OLB (Gary, Smith), 2 ILB (Walker, Campbell). That gets all 3 of their starting-caliber CBs on the field with significantly better run defense in the front 7 than having a safety play as the 2nd linebacker and one of your edge defenders with his hand in the dirt (as Z. Smith did often when healthy).
I wouldn't do this, but I wonder if this is the end of Dean Lowry, who had a nice season but doesn't have much dead money if cut. Would free up some room for a vet receiver if things don't break well.
For day 2, I would not be sad if they end up with 2 WR and a TE. I have a feeling they'll need to do some moving in Rd 2 to protect themselves though.
Round 2 and 3 always has a lot of gems that for some reason the scouts sour on. The trick is for the Pack to pick the right ones easier said than done
Would love to see a total of 3 TE and WR need to build up the base
Love the Watson pick. Think he has the potential to be great.
That was the first move I wanted them to make. Now grab a TE with the 2nd pick in this round.
Now we're talk in'.
Great move.
Great value for the Vikings. Packers lack of aggressiveness on night one is Vikings gain.
Guy can't catch. Rodgers will bury him before week 2. Terrible pick. No reason the Lions don't win this division.
Watson was who I was hoping the Pack would take . Love the pick.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 06:22:13 PM
Great value for the Vikings. Packers lack of aggressiveness on night one is Vikings gain.
I disagree, Dish. They feel they have the potential for a top 5 defense. The 2 picks were solid. No way you give up 2 1sts for a WR.
ESPN had a fun stat. 7 of the top 8 WRs in the the last 3 years combined were NOT 1st rounders.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 06:22:13 PM
Great value for the Vikings. Packers lack of aggressiveness on night one is Vikings gain.
Vikings did really get a lot of value there. Packers clearly sweetened the pot to get the Vikings to let them move up.
I thought they could move up far enough to get Watson by trading 53, 92 and then a late round pick to meet the value. A 53 and a 59 is the value of the 30th overall pick.
I like what the Vikings are doing. Capitalized on division's desperation and is stocking up on good, cheap talent so they can keep paying Kirk Cousins.
Watson is not the guy I wanted, but he'll be a gadget player, an MVS replacement deep threat and a special teams player. That's a year 1 floor I can live with.
Quote from: Jockey on April 29, 2022, 06:31:40 PM
I disagree, Dish. They feel they have the potential for a top 5 defense. The 2 picks were solid. No way you give up 2 1sts for a WR.
ESPN had a fun stat. 7 of the top 8 WRs in the the last 3 years combined were NOT 1st rounders.
I value second round picks immensely. I want as many spins at the wheel in round 2 as possible. Watson might be fine, but it's terrible value that GB gave up. Is Watson that much better than someone at 53 and 59? Wait to see.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 06:36:20 PM
I value second round picks immensely. I want as many spins at the wheel in round 2 as possible. Watson might be fine, but it's terrible value that GB gave up. Is Watson that much better than someone at 53 and 59? Wait to see.
Vikings fan not happy about allowing two division rivals to trade up and pickmwide receivers
Watson better be good. The Packers essentially traded Adams and 59 for Walker and Watson. :-\
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 29, 2022, 06:43:44 PM
Vikings fan not happy about allowing two division rivals to trade up and pickmwide receivers
Fans are idiots
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 06:36:20 PM
I value second round picks immensely. I want as many spins at the wheel in round 2 as possible. Watson might be fine, but it's terrible value that GB gave up. Is Watson that much better than someone at 53 and 59? Wait to see.
I don't disagree about the value of picks. Studies have shown that teams who have the best drafts over time are the teams with the most picks.
Seahawks, a team clearly in rebuilding mode, light one of their 2nd round picks on fire by drafting a RB (Walker). Unreal.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 29, 2022, 06:48:05 PM
Watson better be good. The Packers essentially traded Adams and 59 for Walker and Watson. :-\
But you have to consider Adams didn't want to be here too.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 06:55:14 PM
Seahawks, a team clearly in rebuilding mode, light one of their 2nd round picks on fire by drafting a RB (Walker). Unreal.
Yeah, don't understand that
Not sure what I enjoy more - NCAA bracket analysis in December or message board Draft day critique from fans of rival teams.
Funny part - Silverstein says Bears would have taken Watson if GB had not.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 29, 2022, 06:48:05 PM
Watson better be good. The Packers essentially traded Adams and 59 for Walker and Watson. :-\
The flip side of this is if they were aggressive and traded up in the 1st round to grab a top 4 WR it would have cost them the number 22 and 53.
They were able to move up to get Watson, by using 53 and 59. If you think there isn't much drop off in potential from those top 4 to Watson, what they did makes a heck of a lot of sense.
And would cost an additional $25M of cap space they did not have.
Quote from: Clarissa on April 29, 2022, 06:55:26 PM
But you have to consider Adams didn't want to be here too.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 29, 2022, 06:48:05 PM
Watson better be good. The Packers essentially traded Adams and 59 for Walker and Watson. :-\
Adam's didnt want to play for the Packers. Plus they cleared 20 million of cap space enabling them to sign Campbell.
Do the Packers still try to swing a trade for Metcalf or Lockett?
Quote from: forgetful on April 29, 2022, 07:12:13 PM
Do the Packers still try to swing a trade for Metcalf or Lockett?
What are they going to offer Seattle and can they afford Metcalf?
Quote from: forgetful on April 29, 2022, 07:12:13 PM
Do the Packers still try to swing a trade for Metcalf or Lockett?
Metcalf is not going for anything else than AJ Brown. Not enough ammo
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 06:36:20 PM
I value second round picks immensely. I want as many spins at the wheel in round 2 as possible. Watson might be fine, but it's terrible value that GB gave up. Is Watson that much better than someone at 53 and 59? Wait to see.
Yeah but you aren't a GM so it doesn't matter that YOU value second round picks. Some gms have the philosophy that you pick players not picks, so if you like a guy you go get him. Even if he doesnt work out, at least they are being aggressive. They gave up alot no doubt, but they essentially got 3 first round picks. They still gave up less than what it would have taken to go up to 12 to get Olave for example.
Quote from: forgetful on April 29, 2022, 07:12:13 PM
Do the Packers still try to swing a trade for Metcalf or Lockett?
Maybe Lockett, it would probably take a player or future draft pick.
Bears appear to be going BPA thus far.
Or, one could interpret that coaches/Poles doesn't believe in Justin Fields
Quote from: hairy worthen on April 29, 2022, 07:20:13 PM
Yeah but you aren't a GM so it doesn't matter that YOU value second round picks. Some gms have the philosophy that you pick players not picks, so if you like a guy you go get him. Even if he doesnt work out, at least they are being aggressive. They gave up alot no doubt, but they essentially got 3 first round picks. They still gave up less than what it would have taken to go up to 12 to get Olave for example.
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Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 07:29:41 PM
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;) you should know by now I like giving you crap. ;D
I just would have preferred waiting for 53 and 59. I think the Packers could have had a comparable WR at 53, then Edge, S, OL, or TE at 59, and another WR at 92.
Maybe it will work out. Guess we'll see how the draft plays out.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 29, 2022, 07:41:37 PM
I just would have preferred waiting for 53 and 59. I think the Packers could have had a comparable WR at 53, then Edge, S, OL, or TE at 59, and another WR at 92.
Maybe it will work out. Guess we'll see how the draft plays out.
It's fun to speculate, but at the end of the day no one really knows for sure how these guys will work out including the gms, I trust Gutey, he has a good track record. They have to trust their board and stay true to their strategy.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 29, 2022, 07:41:37 PM
I just would have preferred waiting for 53 and 59. I think the Packers could have had a comparable WR at 53, then Edge, S, OL, or TE at 59, and another WR at 92.
Maybe it will work out. Guess we'll see how the draft plays out.
Considering all the WRs that have already gone off the board this round, I doubt it.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 29, 2022, 07:41:37 PM
I just would have preferred waiting for 53 and 59. I think the Packers could have had a comparable WR at 53, then Edge, S, OL, or TE at 59, and another WR at 92.
Maybe it will work out. Guess we'll see how the draft plays out.
5 Wide Receivers have been picked since Watson. Has been a deep pool of receivers.
No tight ends picked yet . Maybe some good ones will be still be available for Pack in the third round
Quote from: hairy worthen on April 29, 2022, 07:40:13 PM
;) you should know by now I like giving you crap. ;D
You're a good and passionate fan, I respect it. Watson might be great, who knows. I'd rather have seen them say "eff it" and gone up to get Wilson last night.
Skyy Moore is better than Watson. This is why the Chiefs play in Super Bowls
I don't understand anything Arizona has done the last two nights.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 07:53:01 PM
I don't understand anything Arizona has done the last two nights.
They just picked the best Tight End
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2022, 07:51:30 PM
Skyy Moore is better than Watson. This is why the Chiefs play in Super Bowls
Very different types of players. Not sure Skyy Moore is not much different than Amari Rodgers in terms of play style and type of receiver.
We don't have a Watson type guy on the roster.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 29, 2022, 07:54:17 PM
They just picked the best Tight End
No team in the NFL uses two tight end sets less than the Cardinals.
Quote from: forgetful on April 29, 2022, 08:02:49 PM
Very different types of players. Not sure Skyy Moore is not much different than Amari Rodgers in terms of play style and type of receiver.
We don't have a Watson type guy on the roster.
Rodgers is a bust
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 08:02:58 PM
No team in the NFL uses two tight end sets less than the Cardinals.
Maybe they will now
At this point, the remaining QBs should be considered for thr USFL draft
Here is how NFL.com rated the wide receivers going into the draft , with actual draft position noted
https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/wr/all-colleges/all-statuses/2022?page=1
Christian Watson was the 6th rated WR and the 7th overall
There are still some good prospects available going into the third round. Hope one falls to the Packs pick
NFL really played "Born in the USA" with troops on stage, huh?
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 08:36:03 PM
NFL really played "Born in the USA" with troops on stage, huh?
Thought the the same thing.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 29, 2022, 08:29:43 PM
Here is how NFL.com rated the wide receivers going into the draft , with actual draft position noted
https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/wr/all-colleges/all-statuses/2022?page=1
Christian Watson was the 6th rated WR and the 7th overall
There are still some good prospects available going into the third round. Hope one falls to the Packs pick
Hands of stone. Rodgers will run him off the field and bury him. Terrible pick. If he got drafted by a team with a leader at QB, he might have developed
Great pick by the Bears
The league really hates Willis.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2022, 08:05:58 PM
Rodgers is a bust
Never sure when to take you seriously. But if you want a guy similar to Skyy Moore, Calvin Austin III is still available. Small, but absolutely electric, one of fastest guys in the draft and has good hands. (Think Steve Smith, but faster and more explosive).
If he is still available, and no top end TE's. I'd grab him.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 08:36:03 PM
NFL really played "Born in the USA" with troops on stage, huh?
People still play Every Breath You Take at their weddings.
Skyy Moore reminds me of Cobb. I would have been fine with that too
My God, give me the Ravens entire draft
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 29, 2022, 09:05:51 PM
Skyy Moore reminds me of Cobb. I would have been fine with that too
They guy that reminds me of Cobb the most is still available. Khalil Shakir.
Quote from: forgetful on April 29, 2022, 09:17:03 PM
They guy that reminds me of Cobb the most is still available. Khalil Shakir.
Would love to see the Pack pick up Khalil Shakir.
Packers should draft Matt Corral
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 29, 2022, 09:19:16 PM
Would love to see the Pack pick up Khalil Shakir.
With Dulcich off the board, I'd go with Shakir or Austin III with their 3rd round selection.
Quote from: forgetful on April 29, 2022, 09:21:06 PM
With Dulcich off the board, I'd go with Shakir or Austin III with their 3rd round selection.
Either would be an excellent addition
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 08:58:01 PM
The league really hates Willis.
Is this the worst QB class in 15-20 years?
At least Nakobe Dean has injury red flags. Willis was talked about as a high first round pick (even if top 5 was a bit absurd) and he's falling like a drunk at last call
In other news, very pleased with Poles first draft so far. Gordon was an absolute steal
Quote from: forgetful on April 29, 2022, 09:21:06 PM
With Dulcich off the board, I'd go with Shakir or Austin III with their 3rd round selection.
I like the TE from theOSU. For the 4th round.
O lineman in the 3rd.
Finally
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 08:58:01 PM
The league really hates Willis.
Probably because they watched his film.
Corral still there for the Pack
Crap the Cowboys picked Jalen Tolbert I was hoping he would sunk to Pack pick
Quote from: Jockey on April 29, 2022, 09:30:55 PM
I like the TE from theOSU. For the 4th round.
O lineman in the 3rd.
I'd be happy with an O lineman. I just don't really know which one stands out the best of the options available. I know the receivers a little better.
A Weekend at Bernie's remake could easily star Wayne Newton.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on April 29, 2022, 09:50:14 PM
A Weekend at Bernie's remake could easily star Wayne Newton.
He definitely needs to lay off the Botox for a little while.
Another terrible Packers pick
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2022, 09:55:09 PM
Another terrible Packers pick
Did 4ever hijack your account?
Quote from: forgetful on April 29, 2022, 09:45:18 PM
I'd be happy with an O lineman. I just don't really know which one stands out the best of the options available. I know the receivers a little better.
Looks like the Pack got a very solid Lineman in the third round .
What are the bears doing?
Panthers just won the draft
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2022, 10:00:59 PM
Panthers just won the draft
I'm watching the NBA game so I had to look up what they did.
Matt Corral, eh? Here's hoping he can play at the next level ... or whatever level it is the Panthers play at!
I'm not a big Mayfield fan so I'm glad my guys didn't mortgage the farm for him.
Crap the freakin Jets drafted the Ohio State TE
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 29, 2022, 10:00:12 PM
What are the bears doing?
I mean there are so many holes may as well solidify the defense which was pretty bad last year.
That being said, please get some protection for Justin. I don't mind not taking a receiver in the second, just would have like an O lineman instead.
Lots of good talent available in the 4th round. Would like to see the Pack pick up a TE
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 30, 2022, 08:00:36 AM
Lots of good talent available in the 4th round. Would like to see the Pack pick up a TE
I'd like to see them draft Sam Howell or Jack Coan and address the qb position
Quote from: MU82 on April 29, 2022, 10:22:57 PM
I'm watching the NBA game so I had to look up what they did.
Matt Corral, eh? Here's hoping he can play at the next level ... or whatever level it is the Panthers play at!
I'm not a big Mayfield fan so I'm glad my guys didn't mortgage the farm for him.
Big fan of him. Lots of work to do with him on the developmental side. Ole Miss ran a QB-friendly offense that made things easy for him but the dude plays balls out.
Projecting to the NFL is tough with QBs like him and I'm not sure Carolina is a great spot for a guy like him but wouldn't surprise me if he's the best QB in this class
Quote from: forgetful on April 29, 2022, 09:53:37 PM
He definitely needs to lay off the Botox for a little while.
Its not Botox, his face has been like that since before Botox was common. Its the half dozen face lifts he's had over the years.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 30, 2022, 09:22:44 AM
Big fan of him. Lots of work to do with him on the developmental side. Ole Miss ran a QB-friendly offense that made things easy for him but the dude plays balls out.
Projecting to the NFL is tough with QBs like him and I'm not sure Carolina is a great spot for a guy like him but wouldn't surprise me if he's the best QB in this class
Totally agree. He's first round talent that fell because of his injury and his openness about depression. He's a good dude, plays his ass off, works really hard, and has an awesome skill set. Would not be shocked to see him starting early in the year.
Weird ass trade by the Bears.
Love that Pack picks up another WR
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 30, 2022, 12:28:11 PM
Love that Pack picks up another WR
Rodgers will bury him on the bench. Should have picked Sam Howell
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 30, 2022, 09:11:48 AM
I'd like to see them draft Sam Howell or Jack Coan and address the qb position
Peddle Love ass. He ain't worth a chit, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 30, 2022, 12:30:00 PM
Peddle Love ass. He ain't worth a chit, hey?
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 30, 2022, 12:30:00 PM
Peddle Love ass. He ain't worth a chit, hey?
And Rodgers, too. Team needs a QB more concerned with winning than commercials, Hollywood and regular season stats
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 30, 2022, 12:28:11 PM
Love that Pack picks up another WR
Like that they grabbed another WR. Not excited about the pick. Think better options are available, and if they wanted this guy they could have gotten him much later.
But what do I know. Watch him be the next in a long line of great packer WRs.
Pitt just drafted a star in my opinion. Guy is absolutely electric.
Love the Pack lineman pick.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 30, 2022, 12:49:44 PM
Love the Pack lineman pick.
He's terrible. I was on his visit to Green Bay before the draft and he had terrible body language
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 30, 2022, 12:51:31 PM
He's terrible. I was on his visit to Green Bay before the draft and he had terrible body language
I've heard he also said cheese curds and beer from California are better than the ones in Wisconsin.
Quote from: forgetful on April 30, 2022, 12:52:30 PM
I've heard he also said cheese curds and beer from California are better than the ones in Wisconsin.
Yeah, it's a disaster
Great pick for Washington. Gutes just sitting there watching these QBs go is mystifying
Quote from: Pakuni on April 30, 2022, 11:31:57 AM
Weird ass trade by the Bears.
Per bears Twitter, allegedly getting late round picks may help in securing veteran free agents still available
Good solid defense pick in fifth round for Packers . Can always use tough guys on the inside.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 30, 2022, 03:18:15 PM
Good solid defense pick in fifth round for Packers . Can always use tough guys on the inside.
Another terrible pick
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 30, 2022, 03:28:15 PM
Another terrible pick
I heard rumors that he kicks puppies.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 30, 2022, 01:11:40 PM
Per bears Twitter, allegedly getting late round picks may help in securing veteran free agents still available
Weird strategy for a rebuild.
Great chance for the Packers to draft Jack Coan or Carson Strong in the 7th round.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 30, 2022, 04:19:23 PM
Weird strategy for a rebuild.
Yeah that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They are drafting less talented players so veteran free agents would sign with them?
Quote from: Clarissa on April 30, 2022, 04:44:33 PM
Yeah that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They are drafting less talented players so veteran free agents would sign with them?
Worse, they gave up what's likely a high 6th round pick in 2023 for two of the last picks in this year's 7th round.
Might be wise for the Pack to take a flyer on Justyn Ross, projected as a likely 1st round pick after his Freshman year at Clemson. A spinal fusion and foot injury later, and he was projected as a 3rd or 4th round selection this year, because of injury concerns.
Has 1st round ability, if his injuries are no longer a concern, he has the talent to contribute.
The Pack made some excellent late round picks. Rasheed Walker in the seventh round could be One heckuva of a pick up.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 30, 2022, 06:26:20 PM
The Pack made some excellent late round picks. Rasheed Walker in the seventh round could be One heckuva of a pick up.
Sadly, they failed to find a qb capable of winning a Super Bowl and are wasting the best years of Kenny Clark's career
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 30, 2022, 06:31:52 PM
Sadly, they failed to find a qb capable of winning a Super Bowl and are wasting the best years of Kenny Clark's career
Jack Coan is one of the better undrafted free agents available . Who knows maybe they give him a shout .
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 30, 2022, 06:43:36 PM
Jack Coan is one of the better undrafted free agents available . Who knows maybe they give him a shout .
Hopefully. The Packers need to move on sooner than later to get back to the Super Bowl
Scott Hunter and Jerry Tagge are still out there too, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 30, 2022, 06:59:38 PM
Scott Hunter and Jerry Tagge are still out there too, hey?
They're dead
How 'bout Dickey and Hadl, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 30, 2022, 06:59:38 PM
Scott Hunter and Jerry Tagge are still out there too, hey?
Scott Hunter is one odd dude.
Still don't know how he saw out of his helmet. Looked like he had that thing pulled down over his nose, aina?
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 30, 2022, 07:08:40 PM
How bout the Magic Man?
He'd win in the playoffs, I bet
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 30, 2022, 07:07:25 PM
So, they weren't picked, hey?
It is a rarity that you make me laugh. But this made me laugh.
Although, wouldn't be surprised if the Bears picked a few dead guys...would make it easier to sign some veterans.
Kevin Austin Would be a good undrafted free agent Wide Receiver for The Pack to bring into camp.
Bears released Nick Foles. If I'm the Packers, I'm signing him ASAP to get a qb more concerned with January wins than insurance commercials and bad medical advice
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 30, 2022, 09:22:58 PM
Bears released Nick Foles. If I'm the Packers, I'm signing him ASAP to get a qb more concerned with January wins than insurance commercials and bad medical advice
There's such a thing as too much of a good thing.
Overall very pleased with Packer Draft. Picked up quality defenders , Have several intriguing WR and restocked the Offensive Line . They also picked up some quality free agent running backs.
Looking forward to seeing the new prospects in camp
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 30, 2022, 07:04:36 PM
They're dead
i hope you didn't mean that literally-they are both alive and have done quite well post football
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on May 01, 2022, 11:17:59 AM
i hope you didn't mean that literally-they are both alive and have done quite well post football
No, they're dead.
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on May 01, 2022, 11:17:59 AM
i hope you didn't mean that literally-they are both alive and have done quite well post football
Scott Hunter and Jerry Tagge are still alive. Hunter celebrated last season when Bryce Young broke won of Scott's passing records from the 1960s
My old boss' son went undrafted, but was picked up by the KC Chiefs as an UDFA.
He had video of "the call" and how the family went bonkers. TBH, I didn't understand that, I mean, it's better than no shot at the NFL, but I imagine the success rate at making a roster is low when 260+ guys were picked ahead of you.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on May 05, 2022, 08:11:48 AM
My old boss' son went undrafted, but was picked up by the KC Chiefs as an UDFA.
He had video of "the call" and how the family went bonkers. TBH, I didn't understand that, I mean, it's better than no shot at the NFL, but I imagine the success rate at making a roster is low when 260+ guys were picked ahead of you.
I have had the opportunity to interact with a lot of college athletes who have the potential to be fringe professionals. All they want is a chance. Especially football players where there are no opportunities in other countries like basketball, or a large network of minor league teams. A non-tryout camp invite at least gets their foot in the door.
I went to high school with Alec Pierce's uncle (he walked on at DePaul) and have stayed friends with him since. It was really cool to see him get drafted by the Colts, as the family lives in Glen Ellyn. Pierce's brother played basketball at William & Mary and then transferred to UNC.
Quote from: Clarissa on May 05, 2022, 08:31:00 AM
I have had the opportunity to interact with a lot of college athletes who have the potential to be fringe professionals. All they want is a chance. Especially football players where there are no opportunities in other countries like basketball, or a large network of minor league teams. A non-tryout camp invite at least gets their foot in the door.
Yup, my BIL is friends with Josh Seltzner who signed with the Colts. Josh is ecstatic for the opportunity even if the chance is small of sticking.
Quote from: Clarissa on May 05, 2022, 08:31:00 AM
I have had the opportunity to interact with a lot of college athletes who have the potential to be fringe professionals. All they want is a chance. Especially football players where there are no opportunities in other countries like basketball, or a large network of minor league teams. A non-tryout camp invite at least gets their foot in the door.
And there's an argument to be made that it's better to the a UDFA than a 7th round pick. As a free agent, you have some control over where you go and can pick a team that may have more opportunities at your position, or a track record of keeping/developing undrafted players.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 05, 2022, 09:53:38 AM
And there's an argument to be made that it's better to the a UDFA than a 7th round pick. As a free agent, you have some control over where you go and can pick a team that may have more opportunities at your position, or a track record of keeping/developing undrafted players.
https://www.nfl.com/photos/nfl-s-all-time-undrafted-team-0ap3000000567319
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 30, 2022, 09:22:44 AM
Big fan of him. Lots of work to do with him on the developmental side. Ole Miss ran a QB-friendly offense that made things easy for him but the dude plays balls out.
Projecting to the NFL is tough with QBs like him and I'm not sure Carolina is a great spot for a guy like him but wouldn't surprise me if he's the best QB in this class
Idiot
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 29, 2022, 09:19:16 PM
Would love to see the Pack pick up Khalil Shakir.
Good call on this. Good player