This is a mediocre team that got incredibly hot for one month. They haven't played well since beating Villanova on Feb 2.
Lots of work to do. Going to need 2-3 starters out of the transfer portal. Then go get some big time recruits in the class of 2023.
Cobbled together squad with many new members. Feel bad for their tentative play today
Probably the ultimate truth. Yet the amount of easy shots we've missed this game is mind-boggling. That weighs on players some. Affects defense. We lost our composure. Snowballed from there.
I feel bad for the MU fans that traveled and are there in person. So glad I didn't..had this displeasure of going to the Final Four when we got rolled by Kansas in the first half.
This team just doesn't have the horses to compete. Completely lacking offensive firepower, shooting, rebounding, etc. If it wasn't obvious before, watching the other teams in this tourney should make it crystal clear now.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 17, 2022, 04:54:32 PM
Probably the ultimate truth. Yet the amount of easy shots we've missed this game is mind-boggling. That weighs on players some. Affects defense. We lost our composure. Snowballed from there.
I feel bad for the MU fans that traveled and are there in person. So glad I didn't..had this displeasure of going to the Final Four when we got rolled by Kansas in the first half.
I was also at the Kansas game. At least I got to see 4 tourney wins in person before that.
Getting blown out in the first round is worse, imo.
Fart in the Wind season, they look like they don't even belong in the tourney.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 17, 2022, 05:11:24 PM
Fart in the Wind season, they look like they don't even belong in the tourney.
look like theyd struggle to beat whitewater today
Quote from: Spirit Of James on March 17, 2022, 05:03:14 PM
This team just doesn't have the horses to compete. Completely lacking offensive firepower, shooting, rebounding, etc. If it wasn't obvious before, watching the other teams in the tourney should make it crystal clear.
Agreed. I wasn't expecting much this year. They definitely surpassed my expectations.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 17, 2022, 05:11:24 PM
Fart in the Wind season, they look like they don't even belong in the tourney.
Covid saved us I think. Lucky they didn't have to make up the St. John's game.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 17, 2022, 05:12:44 PM
Agreed. I wasn't expecting much this year. They definitely surpassed my expectations.
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Wait till next year, it will probably be worse.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 17, 2022, 05:14:18 PM
Covid saved us I think. Lucky they didn't have to make up the St. John's game.
Huh?
Bunch of bitches in this thread as well.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 17, 2022, 05:15:49 PM
Bunch of bitches in this thread as well.
what do u expect the board to look like in one of the worst post season performances in mu history. ppl vent
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 17, 2022, 05:15:49 PM
Bunch of bitches in this thread as well.
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Quote from: Johnny B on March 17, 2022, 05:17:45 PM
what do u expect the board to look like in one of the worst post season performances in mu history. ppl vent
Quote from: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 05:18:18 PM
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I'd expect more perspective and less abject stupidity but maybe that's just me.
The Baylor fans beside me are stunned at how woefully bad we are as a BB team! Oh my goodness gracious is this depressing.
Quote from: bradforster on March 17, 2022, 05:19:43 PM
The Baylor fans beside me are stunned at how woefully bad we are as a BB team! Oh my goodness gracious is this depressing.
Oh no, how will I survive knowing Baylor fans are stunned.
Quote from: bradforster on March 17, 2022, 05:19:43 PM
The Baylor fans beside me are stunned at how woefully bad we are as a BB team! Oh my goodness gracious is this depressing.
i pity your soul having to stand there in mu gear for this one brad
Sad part is I think Shaka is further from turning this program around at the end of this season than he was at the beginning of this season.
North Carolina just has more talent then MU,hope Shaka cant start recruiting his guys and it changes.
Quote from: Fred Garvin on March 17, 2022, 05:24:06 PM
North Carolina just has more talent then MU,hope Shaka cant start recruiting his guys and it changes.
BINGO! It's not close.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 17, 2022, 05:19:23 PM
I'd expect more perspective and less abject stupidity but maybe that's just me.
we're getting smoked by 30+. We look like a CBI team, at best. Historic blow out. Yeah, folks are frustrated.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 17, 2022, 05:19:23 PM
I'd expect more perspective and less abject stupidity but maybe that's just me.
MU is getting blown out by an 8-seed in epic fashion, but what's really got you bothered is that people on a message board are unhappy about MU getting blown out in epic fashion. So much so that you need to rush here and play tough guy, name-caller.
Weird perspective, my dude.
Quote from: Viper on March 17, 2022, 05:26:26 PM
we're getting smoked by 30+. We look like a CBI team, at best. Historic blow out. Yeah, folks are frustrated.
Me too. This sucks. Also not going to lose my sh*t as this season turned out to be much more fun and successful than I hoped for.
Quote from: Fred Garvin on March 17, 2022, 05:24:06 PM
North Carolina just has more talent then MU,hope Shaka cant start recruiting his guys and it changes.
I don't disagree with this perspective.
But then how do we explain January wins and then February/March losses?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 17, 2022, 05:28:09 PM
Me too. This sucks. Also not going to lose my sh*t as this season turned out to be much more fun and successful than I hoped for.
it was fun until feb 3rd then not so much
Quote from: Fred Garvin on March 17, 2022, 05:24:06 PM
North Carolina just has more talent then MU,hope Shaka cant start recruiting his guys and it changes.
Of course they do, but do they have 30+ points more talent? And, in theory, a distinct coaching disadvantage?
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 17, 2022, 05:23:55 PM
Sad part is I think Shaka is further from turning this program around at the end of this season than he was at the beginning of this season.
lots of IF's heading into next October. If incoming recruits are any good. If returning guys improve. If a difference-maker transfer is found.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 05:30:49 PM
Of course they do, but do they have 30+ points more talent? And, in theory, a distinct coaching disadvantage?
Yes they have that much more talent
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 17, 2022, 05:29:15 PM
I don't disagree with this perspective.
But then how do we explain January wins and then February/March losses?
In January we got hot from 3. PnR was working. Defensive identify was coming together.
Then we cooled off and BEast coaches figured out our system and exploited its flaws.
The book was out on this team by February. Said it early in the slide and people didn't like to hear it. But...
Quote from: Fred Garvin on March 17, 2022, 05:33:06 PM
Yes they have that much more talent
No, they don't.
This UNC team lost to Pitt at home a month ago.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 17, 2022, 05:28:09 PM
Me too. This sucks. Also not going to lose my sh*t as this season turned out to be much more fun and successful than I hoped for.
Way more successful than expected. Most expected every game to be like this.
That said: lots of hard conversations in the offseason ahead for Shaka. Stevie and Sean (maybe EE?) pg fight incoming. Omax with Justin could be a super potent combo but imagine we see omax and jop instead.
Feeling less confident about anyone else.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 05:38:38 PM
No, they don't.
This UNC team lost to Pitt at home a month ago.
So you're basing that decision off of one game? ::)
Quote from: wadesworld on March 17, 2022, 05:36:20 PM
The book was out on this team by February. Said it early in the slide and people didn't like to hear it. But...
This is three straight tournament blowouts, and the Carolinas have not been good to us!
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 17, 2022, 05:38:59 PM
Way more successful than expected. Most expected every game to be like this.
That said: lots of hard conversations in the offseason ahead for Shaka. Stevie and Sean (maybe EE?) pg fight incoming. Omax with Justin could be a super potent combo but imagine we see omax and jop instead.
Feeling less confident about anyone else.
Nobody is that dumb.... expecting us to be outscored by 30 every game?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 05:38:38 PM
No, they don't.
This UNC team lost to Pitt at home a month ago.
It's not debatable,explain to me where Marquette is stronger?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 17, 2022, 05:39:32 PM
So you're basing that decision off of one game? ::)
They lost to VaTech - then a bubble team - by 13 less than a week ago.
They lost to Miami by 28 points.
They lost to Wake Forest by 22 points.
They lost to Kentucky by 29 points.
Shocked that Vegas didn't install UNC as a 30-point favorite. Those guys know nothing.
UNC is more talented. They're not 30 points more talented, and saying so is just a bullsh*t excuse for this performance.
Quote from: YaBlueIt on March 17, 2022, 05:34:48 PM
In January we got hot from 3. PnR was working. Defensive identify was coming together.
Then we cooled off and BEast coaches figured out our system and exploited its flaws.
So do we think it's all the short-comings of the players? Or is there any concern about shaka?
Quote from: Fred Garvin on March 17, 2022, 05:41:18 PM
It's not debatable,explain to me where Marquette is stronger?
You're being willfully obtuse.
No one is saying MU is the more talented team. But it's ridiculous to suggest they're 30 points less talented.
By your logic, the talent gap between MU and UNC is wider than the talent gap between Gonzaga and Georgia State.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 05:43:54 PM
They lost to VaTech - then a bubble team - by 13 less than a week ago.
They lost to Miami by 28 points.
They lost to Wake Forest by 22 points.
They lost to Kentucky by 29 points.
Shocked that Vegas didn't install UNC as a 30-point favorite. Those guys know nothing.
UNC is more talented. They're no 30 points more talented, and saying so is just a bullsh*t excuse for this performance.
So they were losing to tournament teams,while we were getting blown out by DePaul and Butler. Makes more sense now.
Marquette should refund the trips to the poor souls who had to watch this crap in person.
Frankenstein roster for 2020-21. Couple of surprises, but in general, they weren't any good. Players transfer for a reason: they think they are better than they are. I would expect another roster overhaul again for next year.
It couldn't have been a more different circumstance for the teams.
UNC is a incredibly talented team of very highly ranked recruits that underperformed most of the year but got hot late in the season and were getting it together
Marquette was a team that largely exceeded expectations, got hot in the middle of the year, and we're fading down the stretch.
It doesn't justify it or make it any better, it just is what it is.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 17, 2022, 05:44:42 PM
So do we think it's all the short-comings of the players? Or is there any concern about shaka?
Like with most things in life, it's probably some of both. I don't know what "we" think and I definitely don't have all the answers. But in hindsight it's pretty clear that our run in January was unsustainable for one reason or another.
The more perplexing thing to me today is how our guys never had an answer this game. The whole season this squad always felt like it was putting up a fight even after getting knocked down early. Today looked like a completely different story.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 17, 2022, 05:30:35 PM
it was fun until feb 3rd then not so much
Agreed. Ever since has extinguished a lot of the enthusiasm and optimism that things look different going forward for me. Not just about the losses, but the regression and flaws that became very apparent.
It seemed mid-season like MU would be a very appealing place for transfers with the fun style of play and charismatic coach. Some of the luster is gone at this point. If JLewis leaves, we need some big-time transfers or next year will be rough. This sucks.
The enthusiasm will return next fall, but this is demoralizing as hell. The feeling I had watching today was too familiar to us getting embarrassed v. Kansas, Michigan State and Murray State. March woes continue. At least we were there...I guess.
This why the committee should go back to looking at the last 10 games. Based on those we did not belong in the tournament. The same thing when we lost to Murray St. under Wojo
Quote from: Fred Garvin on March 17, 2022, 05:47:10 PM
So they were losing to tournament teams,while we were getting blown out by DePaul and Butler. Makes more sense now.
How far do you have Pitt and Wake Forest going in your bracket?
Quote from: Spirit Of James on March 17, 2022, 05:03:14 PM
This team just doesn't have the horses to compete. Completely lacking offensive firepower, shooting, rebounding, etc. If it wasn't obvious before, watching the other teams in this tourney should make it crystal clear now.
Time to clean house.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 17, 2022, 05:11:24 PM
Fart in the Wind season, they look like they don't even belong in the tourney.
They did not belong. Last moth proved it.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 17, 2022, 04:50:25 PM
This is a mediocre team that got incredibly hot for one month. They haven't played well since beating Villanova on Feb 2.
Lots of work to do. Going to need 2-3 starters out of the transfer portal. Then go get some big time recruits in the class of 2023.
Yes. Let's definitely get some recruits to round out this roster. Maybe Shaka will decide he wants to coach them come crunch time.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 05:55:34 PM
How far do you have Pitt and Wake Forest going in your bracket?
All I'm saying is that NC has no problem getting top 50 recruits all the time,how often are they coming hear? Were ecstatic to get one.Talent is never an issue with blue bloods.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 17, 2022, 05:43:54 PM
They lost to VaTech - then a bubble team - by 13 less than a week ago.
They lost to Miami by 28 points.
They lost to Wake Forest by 22 points.
They lost to Kentucky by 29 points.
Shocked that Vegas didn't install UNC as a 30-point favorite. Those guys know nothing.
UNC is more talented. They're not 30 points more talented, and saying so is just a bullsh*t excuse for this performance.
Again, I'm not excusing the piss-poor performance. It's unacceptable.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 17, 2022, 05:47:24 PM
Marquette should refund the trips to the poor souls who had to watch this crap in person.
At least I live here. I'm sorry for those of you who paid big money to travel. I feel badly for the fans who spent hard earned dollars to watch this shellacking. It's almost as bad as the poor souls who flew in from overseas only to be told by Adele a day in advance of her opening show to go home because she wasn't ready yet for her Vegas residency!
Quote from: YaBlueIt on March 17, 2022, 05:53:52 PM
Like with most things in life, it's probably some of both. I don't know what "we" think and I definitely don't have all the answers. But in hindsight it's pretty clear that our run in January was unsustainable for one reason or another.
The more perplexing thing to me today is how our guys never had an answer this game. The whole season this squad always felt like it was putting up a fight even after getting knocked down early. Today looked like a completely different story.
Would have been nice to see a hard foul here and there on layups or dunks in the second half rather than just backing off. Not saying dirty or dangerous, but at least show a little fight.
Quote from: Fred Garvin on March 17, 2022, 05:24:06 PM
North Carolina just has more talent then MU,hope Shaka cant start recruiting his guys and it changes.
Agreed. But, make a few shots early and the defensive energy is much better. We may have lost anyway but it would have been closer.
This reminded me of a couple games at St Johns during Wojos tenure where MU got boat raced. We are not nearly as bad as we played and they are not nearly as good.
Quote from: Fred Garvin on March 17, 2022, 05:24:06 PM
North Carolina just has more talent then MU,hope Shaka cant start recruiting his guys and it changes.
And our McDonalds All American transferred to UNC, not even with the team, yet we still lost by 32
*woof*
its simple when you shoot like that your not going got win...it was brick after brick beside Prosper in the 1st half...Kolek could have so many points if he could just hit a little bunny mid range shot...Oso looked awful, that crossover he got stripped on was embarrassing...was so excited for his future but he really struggled down the stretch