I love Tower's recaps. He has a gift for summing things up well, and succinctly. He may have had to work tonight, so I'll put forward my effort (be kind).
1. A very nice bounce-back from the abomination of the DePaul game. Credit to the coach and the
squad.
2. The start was a little frustrating. 10-0, and we peed it away. It seems that when we're on the on
the other end of such a start, the deficit never disappears.
3. A little concerned that Justin was gassed and needed a break. He came back in and was woefully
short on a 3, but loosened up and was himself down the stretch.
4. Morsell handling the ball at the ends of games has to stop.
5. How many times did we score a nice hoop, and celebrate? Meanwhile, SJU was running down
for a runout.
6. The big thing is, we avoided a Wed. game at the Garden.
7. Goose egg from Kolek. Makes you think our pick and roll is pretty much dead. Zero from Kam as
well.
8. FT's no matta. But they helped us tonight.
9.Nice to see Kur back among the living - nice game.
10.Nice 3 from Stevie at a key time -like his future with us.
11. Don't forget it was Senior Night. Certainly appreciate what Kur and Darryl have done for us
this year, but Kudos most of all to GE, who's been there most of the time since I got out of
MKE in 1972, I hope he comes back to wipe out Otule's records.
Me on Scoop when Tower takes a game off.
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Thanks for stepping up.
4. DM is probably our second best ball handler. I don't trust the freshmen yet.
5. +100
6. +1000
And a shout out to my sister and Julie driving home from the game!
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 05, 2022, 11:06:38 PM
I love Tower's recaps. He has a gift for summing things up well, and succinctly. He may have had to work tonight, so I'll put forward my effort (be kind).
1. A very nice bounce-back from the abomination of the DePaul game. Credit to the coach and the
squad.
2. The start was a little frustrating. 10-0, and we peed it away. It seems that when we're on the on
the other end of such a start, the deficit never disappears.
3. A little concerned that Justin was gassed and needed a break. He came back in and was woefully
short on a 3, but loosened up and was himself down the stretch.
4. Morsell handling the ball at the ends of games has to stop.
5. How many times did we score a nice hoop, and celebrate? Meanwhile, SJU was running down
for a runout.
6. The big thing is, we avoided a Wed. game at the Garden.
7. Goose egg from Kolek. Makes you think our pick and roll is pretty much dead. Zero from Kam as
well.
8. FT's no matta. But they helped us tonight.
9.Nice to see Kur back among the living - nice game.
10.Nice 3 from Stevie at a key time -like his future with us.
11. Don't forget it was Senior Night. Certainly appreciate what Kur and Darryl have done for us
this year, but Kudos most of all to GE, who's been there most of the time since I got out of
MKE in 1972, I hope he comes back to wipe out Otule's records.
1. We are not great at keeping sustained runs right now. But idk about us never coming back ont he other end. We have quite the knack for making games interesting when down big, usually get it down to 1 down the stretch, lately been losing them. But we usually make a big push.
3. I actually thought Shaka sitting a few guys Justin included and trusting Jop and Stevie was huge. We got our guys some breathe and the young dudes made some shots.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 05, 2022, 11:15:31 PM
And a shout out to my sister and Julie driving home from the game!
We shout out to sister & Julie, or sister Julie, also. Glad you're home safe.
(One reads Tower's posts while the other drives.)
PG's, you're absolutely right.My frustration over pissing away the lead led me to conveniently forget the deficits we've made up this year.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 05, 2022, 11:06:38 PM
Don't forget it was Senior Night. Certainly appreciate what Kur and Darryl have done for us this year, but Kudos most of all to GE, who's been there most of the time since I got out of MKE in 1972, I hope he comes back to wipe out Otule's records.
Also, appreciated this humor. Or maybe I underestimated the time Greg's been in MKE.
Liked several of Shaka's moves tonight:
++ He let Lewis take the technical FTs even though Justin's not our best FT shooter. JL had just hit 4 straight, and then he calmly hit the 2 for the tech.
++ He benched Morsell after Darryl's last turnover -- even though it was still a close game, we needed ballhandling and we needed good FTs on the court. A coach can only watch so many giveaways by one player. All season long, Shaka hasn't been afraid to sit his best players when he's considered it necessary.
++ He gave Stevie and Joplin nice runs, and both made big plays for us in the second half. I especially am loving what we've gotten from Stevie lately. The kid stays ready, and he makes a sudden impact when Shaka calls his number.
++ He squeezed the most possible production from the 5 position. Both Kuath and Oso had their moments.
Also ...
Very, very nice game for Lewis. Even hit the dagger 3. Looking forward to seeing what he does under the bright lights at MSG.
Is Kam suffering a bit of a crisis of confidence? 8 points total in the last 3 games, and even a little bit of a reluctance to shoot.
It hurts a lot when neither Kam nor Greg are sharp from 3. Not only do we need them to make some shots, but it affects other parts of their game. Unfortunately, that's been the norm the last several games. Need more from them.
Too many sloppy TOs from our starting guards.
It was cool to see the day unfold exactly the way Marquette needed it to unfold: Seton Hall coming back to beat Creighton, UConn winning, and Marquette taking care of business.
Start spreadin' the news ... We Are Marquette!
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2022, 11:52:44 PM
++ He benched Morsell after Darryl's last turnover
Dumb jerk. Should have pulled Darryl instead.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 05, 2022, 11:56:37 PM
Dumb jerk. Should have pulled Darryl instead.
Well done, Larry.
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2022, 11:59:14 PM
Well done, Larry.
Careful, there's probably only a couple dozen here that even get that joke!
https://www.youtube.com/v/3xj_jeviwKQ
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2022, 11:52:44 PM
Liked several of Shaka's moves tonight:
++ He let Lewis take the technical FTs even though Justin's not our best FT shooter. JL had just hit 4 straight, and then he calmly hit the 2 for the tech.
++ He benched Morsell after Darryl's last turnover -- even though it was still a close game, we needed ballhandling and we needed good FTs on the court. A coach can only watch so many giveaways by one player. All season long, Shaka hasn't been afraid to sit his best players when he's considered it necessary.
++ He gave Stevie and Joplin nice runs, and both made big plays for us in the second half. I especially am loving what we've gotten from Stevie lately. The kid stays ready, and he makes a sudden impact when Shaka calls his number.
++ He squeezed the most possible production from the 5 position. Both Kuath and Oso had their moments.
Also ...
Very, very nice game for Lewis. Even hit the dagger 3. Looking forward to seeing what he does under the bright lights at MSG.
Is Kam suffering a bit of a crisis of confidence? 8 points total in the last 3 games, and even a little bit of a reluctance to shoot.
It hurts a lot when neither Kam nor Greg are sharp from 3. Not only do we need them to make some shots, but it affects other parts of their game. Unfortunately, that's been the norm the last several games. Need more from them.
Too many sloppy TOs from our starting guards.
It was cool to see the day unfold exactly the way Marquette needed it to unfold: Seton Hall coming back to beat Creighton, UConn winning, and Marquette taking care of business.
Start spreadin' the news ... We Are Marquette!
Solid summary by Miles the 72 grad, but real solid summary here MU82.
All good points
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2022, 11:52:44 PM
Liked several of Shaka's moves tonight:
++ He let Lewis take the technical FTs even though Justin's not our best FT shooter. JL had just hit 4 straight, and then he calmly hit the 2 for the tech.
++ He benched Morsell after Darryl's last turnover -- even though it was still a close game, we needed ballhandling and we needed good FTs on the court. A coach can only watch so many giveaways by one player. All season long, Shaka hasn't been afraid to sit his best players when he's considered it necessary.
++ He gave Stevie and Joplin nice runs, and both made big plays for us in the second half. I especially am loving what we've gotten from Stevie lately. The kid stays ready, and he makes a sudden impact when Shaka calls his number.
++ He squeezed the most possible production from the 5 position. Both Kuath and Oso had their moments.
Also ...
Very, very nice game for Lewis. Even hit the dagger 3. Looking forward to seeing what he does under the bright lights at MSG.
Is Kam suffering a bit of a crisis of confidence? 8 points total in the last 3 games, and even a little bit of a reluctance to shoot.
It hurts a lot when neither Kam nor Greg are sharp from 3. Not only do we need them to make some shots, but it affects other parts of their game. Unfortunately, that's been the norm the last several games. Need more from them.
Too many sloppy TOs from our starting guards.
It was cool to see the day unfold exactly the way Marquette needed it to unfold: Seton Hall coming back to beat Creighton, UConn winning, and Marquette taking care of business.
Start spreadin' the news ... We Are Marquette!
Yes—I asked " is JLew shooting the technician as well?"
The cheers for Stevie when he entered the game were deafening. It was so cool.
Kam and TK had open 3s that tgey passed ip and then shook their heads asking themselves 'why didn't I shoot that?'
DM does so many things well....but we usually get a head scratching turnover or two and an air ball per game.
Agree on your Shaka comments. When I say to my daughter.......Ugh we need to get this player out or have that player defend someone else.......Shaka is already making the move.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 06, 2022, 07:46:47 AM
Yes—I asked " is JLew shooting the technician as well?"
The cheers for Stevie when he entered the game were deafening. It was so cool.
Kam and TK had open 3s that tgey passed ip and then shook their heads asking themselves 'why didn't I shoot that?'
DM does so many things well....but we usually get a head scratching turnover or two and an air ball per game.
Agree on your Shaka comments. When I say to my daughter.......Ugh we need to get this player out or have that player defend someone else.......Shaka is already making the move.
Such a refreshing change from what we witnessed the last 7 years.
Though I felt last night pulling Stevie to re-insert Greg was a mistake, yet I'm sure Shaka felt he trusted Greg more to potentially make FTs etc down the stretch.
It's going to be interesting to see how the guard spot shakes out these next few years. Stevie showed a lot of improvement down the stretch. Kam is probably a lock starter next year. I still think Kolek will be the starting PG next year but definitely will get pushed by Stevie. If Sean Jones comes in and is better than Kolek/Stevie, I'll be surprised, but reports on Jones are he's the real deal. Great "problems" to have after years of not having a traditional/effective PG.
On Kolek, yes he had zero points, but he had 6 assists and many more that should have been assists. An assist us as good as a score in my book, especially for a PG. I had no problem with his game, especially with just two turnovers against that defense.
Love what Morsel brings, but those "moments" he always seems to have are so frustrating.
Not sure Cam is quick enough yet as he looked a step slow yesterday and really could not get open. Defensively he has issues as well. The guard position should be wide open next year. Kolek has not shown as much improvement as we all would like. Yesterday he was good at times and bad, afraid to shoot. Needs his confidence back. They all will have to improve this summer.
Quote from: 21rooster on March 06, 2022, 09:04:56 AM
An assist us as good as a score in my book, especially for a PG.
Why? That's an odd book you've got!
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 06, 2022, 07:46:47 AM
Agree on your Shaka comments. When I say to my daughter.......Ugh we need to get this player out or have that player defend someone else.......Shaka is already making the move.
So, you are saying that Shaka is as good at in-game strategy as you are? ;D
Quote from: 21rooster on March 06, 2022, 09:04:56 AM
On Kolek, yes he had zero points, but he had 6 assists and many more that should have been assists. An assist us as good as a score in my book, especially for a PG. I had no problem with his game, especially with just two turnovers against that defense.
I tend to agree. After all he was facing off against the 2020-2021 Big East Conference Defensive Player of the Year, Posh Alexander. Tyler's line was pretty similar to Alexander's in this game. The Kolek hate from some here is pretty ignorant.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 06, 2022, 09:34:56 AM
So, you are saying that Shaka is as good at in-game strategy as you are? ;D
Lets not get carried away......Shaka's been solid but he has a ways to go to reach my level of armchair point guard.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 06, 2022, 09:52:36 AM
I tend to agree. After all he was facing off against the 2020-2021 Big East Conference Defensive Player of the Year, Posh Alexander. Tyler's line was pretty similar to Alexander's in this game. The Kolek hate from some here is pretty ignorant.
.m
Kolek has lots of room to improve, what is good about him is he is a gym rat so I expect significant improvement in the next few years.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 06, 2022, 07:46:47 AM
Yes—I asked " is JLew shooting the technician as well?"
The cheers for Stevie when he entered the game were deafening. It was so cool.
Kam and TK had open 3s that tgey passed ip and then shook their heads asking themselves 'why didn't I shoot that?'
DM does so many things well....but we usually get a head scratching turnover or two and an air ball per game.
Agree on your Shaka comments. When I say to my daughter.......Ugh we need to get this player out or have that player defend someone else.......Shaka is already making the move.
Hope technician and whoever else he shot are alive.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 06, 2022, 10:24:55 AM
Hope technician and whoever else he shot are alive.
Brings Violence to a whole other (but not altogether unexpected given locale) level
Quote from: 21rooster on March 06, 2022, 09:04:56 AM
On Kolek, yes he had zero points, but he had 6 assists and many more that should have been assists. An assist us as good as a score in my book, especially for a PG. I had no problem with his game, especially with just two turnovers against that defense.
Kolek poses no threat from a scoring standpoint. When you have the ball in his hands as much as he does and has zero points, you better do something right. Heck, he doesn't even look to shoot when he's open 90% of the time. The defense sags on him and it really makes things difficult for guys to drive or find open. .
Defensively, he's a "C" at best. If Shaka wants to continue to play him as much as he does, then we will live and die and go as far as Kolek will take us.
I rather see more minutes going to Mitchell. He plays outstanding defense, sets the tone with his energy, and he is actually
starting to shoot the ball. I just don't think you can have your point guard's only attribute is to dish out some dimes when he doesn't score and his D is average. BTW, he threw the ball around very sloppy last night where he was fortunate not to have more TO's.
I hope I'm wrong on Kolek because Shaka seems somewhat stubborn on changing up his rotation this late in the year with Kolek, but the way we have been playing over the past 8 games or so, I see no harm in it. I'd go with the hot hand in Stevie right now by giving him more minutes.
Quote from: OffTheGlass on March 06, 2022, 11:29:21 AM
Kolek poses no threat from a scoring standpoint. When you have the ball in his hands as much as he does and has zero points, you better do something right. Heck, he doesn't even look to shoot when he's open 90% of the time. The defense sags on him and it really makes things difficult for guys to drive or find open. .
Defensively, he's a "C" at best. If Shaka wants to continue to play him as much as he does, then we will live and die and go as far as Kolek will take us.
I rather see more minutes going to Mitchell. He plays outstanding defense, sets the tone with his energy, and he is actually
starting to shoot the ball. I just don't think you can have your point guard's only attribute is to dish out some dimes when he doesn't score and his D is average. BTW, he threw the ball around very sloppy last night where he was fortunate not to have more TO's.
I hope I'm wrong on Kolek because Shaka seems somewhat stubborn on changing up his rotation this late in the year with Kolek, but the way we have been playing over the past 8 games or so, I see no harm in it. I'd go with the hot hand in Stevie right now by giving him more minutes.
Mitchell can't dribble.
He'd be a turnover machine.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on March 06, 2022, 11:35:24 AM
Mitchell can't dribble.
He'd be a turnover machine.
16.2% turnover rate in Conf play. #great
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 06, 2022, 11:40:19 AM
16.2% turnover rate in Conf play. #great
Stevie does turn it over more than you'd like so I certainly understand your logic, but all I am saying is that I'd like to see him have more minutes given than what I have seen as of late. I am not indicating you flip flop the minutes between Kolek and Mitchell, but when Mitchell is in the game, Morsell can have the ball in hands. It's not like Morsell can't handle the point.
If you want to give Kolek all these minutes and see average D, zero scoring, while the D clogs the middle because they know he won't shoot, but knows he wants to drive and kick, then fine. But then expect the ordinary, which has not been very impressive over the last 8 games. I find it hard to believe that Mitchell doesn't deserve to play more than 5 minutes versus Kolek's 33. That is all I am saying guys.
Quote from: OffTheGlass on March 06, 2022, 11:29:21 AM
Kolek poses no threat from a scoring standpoint. When you have the ball in his hands as much as he does and has zero points, you better do something right. Heck, he doesn't even look to shoot when he's open 90% of the time. The defense sags on him and it really makes things difficult for guys to drive or find open. .
Defensively, he's a "C" at best. If Shaka wants to continue to play him as much as he does, then we will live and die and go as far as Kolek will take us.
I rather see more minutes going to Mitchell. He plays outstanding defense, sets the tone with his energy, and he is actually
starting to shoot the ball. I just don't think you can have your point guard's only attribute is to dish out some dimes when he doesn't score and his D is average. BTW, he threw the ball around very sloppy last night where he was fortunate not to have more TO's.
I hope I'm wrong on Kolek because Shaka seems somewhat stubborn on changing up his rotation this late in the year with Kolek, but the way we have been playing over the past 8 games or so, I see no harm in it. I'd go with the hot hand in Stevie right now by giving him more minutes.
You are wrong about Kolek. He does need improvement in a
few areas, needs to take more shots, especially when driving under basket, but has great floor vision.
I'm not wrong about Kolek. I'm not saying bench the guy. I would like to see Mitchell have more consistent minutes.
MU is trending backwards as Kolek's play is too. Great floor vision...agreed, but there Mitchell adds a entirely different feature when he's playing with Morsell in the game. Just give the guy 10-15 min is what I'm asking.
There's a reason everybody wants to bully Tyler on the block, there is a reason why every guy guarding him sags causing issues in the lane stalling our offense.
I didn't say bench him, I said reduce his minutes. How does Stevie play 16 min. at DePaul and scores 12 points with Tyler playing 24, then last night Stevie plays only 5 while electrifying the crowd and his team defensively.
Kolek is the better player when he's playing well. But he's not playing well so go with the hot hand or we can continue to talk about how Marquette fades late in the season. Don't go off of stats from the entire season.
I am baffled that we are even having this debate about the Big East's assists leader. After years of PGs that were entertaining but not amazing for team wins or team chemistry, I am elated that we have a PG who creates for others. I also love that his backup is a really good defender. But no need to bash the assists leader.
Quote from: 21rooster on March 06, 2022, 12:52:39 PM
I am baffled that we are even having this debate about the Big East's assists leader. After years of PGs that were entertaining but not amazing for team wins or team chemistry, I am elated that we have a PG who creates for others. I also love that his backup is a really good defender. But no need to bash the assists leader.
It is strange. TK definitley pissed me off vs DePaul but some of the takes here are weird.
Things are not going as smoothly for him as they were earlier on but the guy know show to move the ball. He keeps the offense flowing, handles pressure pretty well, can lead a break.
Yesterdays game is a weird one for people to go after him for. He did have two AWFUL passes one of which he still turned into a great assist by stealing it back. But other than that he played a great floor general game. Controlled the ball and didnt take stupid shots with a all BE guard is on him.
TK is someone who should be shooting catch and shoot and occaisional drives. Vs DePaul he keps trying to create his own jumper and it was a nightmare. Yesterday? He knew Posh wasnt gonna give him looks and didnt force it. Dont think he needed his minutes reduced at all last night.
Big offseason ahead for Tyler (as is the case for all of the returnees). He does need to become more of a threat offensively as that should open up some of the passing lanes that closed as teams adjusted to him.
He can get in the lane - would be great to see him develop a floater as there's been a number of instances where he penetrated and looked to have a a good opportunity to score but overpassed.
Floater or the ability to shoot a 15 foot jumper as he can have that at least 5 times a game. Also, work on a right hand for layups, lots of offensive weaknesses in his game. Shot is to flat as well. All can be worked on
I'm big on the "I trust Shaka" thing when it comes to Kolek.
Some ripped Shaka for benching Kolek vs. Creighton even though Shaka obviously knew what was going on way better than any of us could have. Now some are ripping Shaka for playing Kolek "too much." All of which is OK, goes with being coach of a P6 program, though I happen to reject both criticisms.
Kolek's been A-OK. Some games very good, some games not so good. Inconsistency is expected: It's his first season as a major-college player, first season as a college PG.
He not only leads the Big East in assists, he also leads qualifiers in assists per 40 minutes and assist/TO ratio. That's pretty darn good. But he's gone from averaging 6.3 per game in January to 4.8 in Feb/March -- and that's despite getting 11 against Georgetown's JV team.
Tyler is an OK defender -- overmatched by some offensive players 1-on-1, but good at deflecting the ball, reasonably good at staying with most players, a willing rebounder for his size. His defense isn't costing us games IMHO.
What I think most will agree on -- including Shaka and probably even Kolek -- is that we'll need better overall play out of the PG position next season and beyond. Whether that comes from Kolek himself, or Stevie, or Sean Jones is yet to be determined.
I agree with VBMG that it's a big offseason for Kolek. He needs to be more of a scoring threat, needs a lot more variety in his offensive game. A float game and a pull-up J would be huge additions, and he is WAY too left-handed - reminds me of Haani. Also, today's PGs have to be at least credible from 3. Aside from a handful of games, Kolek's been light years from credible.
Posh Alexander's name came up a couple of times. I like Posh. He's second to Kolek in assists and he's an irritating defender. But he can't shoot, and despite having some talent around him, what the hell has St. John's won in his two seasons there?
My hope is that Sean Jones is great and really pushes Tyler and Stevie. If that means, Tyler and/or Stevie rise to the challenge, that's great for Marquette. If that means one or both get pushed right out of the program, well, it's a big boy's game.
I really don't mind all the Kolek hate. It's a dog whistle for people who don't know much about the nuances game.
The idea of a Pg who averages double figures, doesn't turn the ball over and gets 5-8 assists game is not a reality.
We have a guy who is very good with the ball, always makes the right pass and is an awesome off the ball defender.
This complaint is a close cousin of the casual fan complaining about the man defense not performing well so "switch to a zone !"
Quote from: 21rooster on March 06, 2022, 12:52:39 PM
I am baffled that we are even having this debate about the Big East's assists leader. After years of PGs that were entertaining but not amazing for team wins or team chemistry, I am elated that we have a PG who creates for others. I also love that his backup is a really good defender. But no need to bash the assists leader.
It is more than just assists. I credit Kolek for leading the BE in assists and at times he has made some wonderfull plays. Other times, he and Morsell have made some mind blowing horrible ones. He is an excellent ball handler and has done great things breaking the press.
Kolek has no outside shot which is detrimental in the college basketball and Shaka's system.
He has missed more layups and had them blocked more than any guard I have seen in years.
Quicker guards blow right pass him and that's why he sat against Creighton, Nembhard abused him. He will see more minutes against Creighton since Nembhard is out.
Other teams have quickly observed his signature move, which is dribbling with left hand towards the basket, going under basket and then making that over the head left-handed outlet pass.
Been a rough last five games or so, where he has almost as many turnovers as points. Maybe he can get that shot going in the BET. He also needs to calm his emotions down because he seems to get upset, down on himself after a poor play or getting benched. This team will need a good Kolek to move forward.
As far as next year, Kam Jones will gain ten pounds and should be a lock for one starting guard spot. If Sean Jones has an outside shooting touch, one that Kolek and Mitchell don't really have, then the competition for PG should be competitive, which is good for the team.
Stevie has personally pissed in his cheerios.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 06, 2022, 11:40:19 AM
16.2% turnover rate in Conf play. #great
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 06, 2022, 03:02:20 PM
Stevie has personally pissed in his cheerios.
Stevie is still very green but he looks much improved from November to today and that's awesome
I love watching Ners champion a PG who has trouble scoring. We've come full circle ;D
And preemptively, I'm just gigging you Ners. I'm a TK fan
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 06, 2022, 11:10:07 AM
Brings Violence to a whole other (but not altogether unexpected given locale) level
Spot on
I don't have a problem with seeing Shaka increase Stevie's minutes and getting Kolek more reset. I tend to think Tyler is best at 25-27 minutes.
However, for those silly enough to compare turnover rates of a 10 minute per game player who almost never has primary ball-handling responsibility to a player who plays 30 minutes per game and exclusively is the primary ball handler, that's just absurd. I suspect if Posh Alexander were guarding Stevie for 30 minutes and Stevie faced a lot of full court pressure, that would be pretty ugly.
Stevie can be high-energy as fug right now because he's only playing 10 minutes per game. His defensive stats (and I suspect shooting) would slip playing 30. I've seen him look pretty winded on the floor despite him generally only playing in 5-8 minute spurts.
All that said it's been a pleasure to watch Stevie's growth/improvement this past month.
Quote from: MU82 on March 06, 2022, 01:48:37 PM
My hope is that Sean Jones is great and really pushes Tyler and Stevie. If that means, Tyler and/or Stevie rise to the challenge, that's great for Marquette. If that means one or both get pushed right out of the program, well, it's a big boy's game.
Sean is definitely not a big boy. Shifty as hell, and quicker than a rumor, but it remains to be seen how a kid that size will do on D in the BE. It's a big jump from HS to D1, but I hope he's great too.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 06, 2022, 05:39:23 PM
Sean is definitely not a big boy. Shifty as hell, and quicker than a rumor, but it remains to be seen how a kid that size will do on D in the BE. It's a big jump from HS to D1, but I hope he's great too.
Short but thick. He's built like a running back. Still may have issues adjusting, but I think he's insets underranked due to his size
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 06, 2022, 06:36:47 PM
Short but thick. He's built like a running back. Still may have issues adjusting, but I think he's insets underranked due to his size
Has Herman decided on his neck?
Did Tower die or something? This seems like an obituary.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 06, 2022, 07:34:21 PM
Did Tower die or something? This seems like an obituary.
As far as I know only Herman died but resurrected.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 06, 2022, 07:34:21 PM
Did Tower die or something? This seems like an obituary.
I think Rocky kicked him off this board, but he's still on Dodds. Check there.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 06, 2022, 09:15:32 PM
I think Rocky kicked him off this board, but he's still on Dodds. Check there.
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Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 06, 2022, 09:15:32 PM
I think Rocky kicked him off this board, but he's still on Dodds. Check there.
Wow. For what?
Quote from: panda on March 06, 2022, 02:02:32 PMI really don't mind all the Kolek hate. It's a dog whistle for people who don't know much about the nuances game.
Agreed, though it also shows a weakness in the advanced statistics too. Tyler took two shots and had two turnovers, but also 6 assists. So that's 10 possessions. Those 6 assists led to 15 points. 1.5 points created in those possessions is elite, but his offensive rating was awful.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 07, 2022, 06:28:11 AM
Gotcha Atlanta! ;D
That's what happens when I spend too much time actually living life and not on Scoop. Thought I missed something.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 07, 2022, 06:38:02 AM
That's what happens when I spend too much time actually living life and not on Scoop. Thought I missed something.
Yep! Seriously though, I hope Tower is OK.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2022, 05:34:15 AM
Agreed, though it also shows a weakness in the advanced statistics too. Tyler took two shots and had two turnovers, but also 6 assists. So that's 10 possessions. Those 6 assists led to 15 points. 1.5 points created in those possessions is elite, but his offensive rating was awful.
He had a couple passes for really good looks where shots didn't fall too. Probably should've been 8/9 assists.
Quote from: panda on March 07, 2022, 08:49:22 AM
He had a couple passes for really good looks where shots didn't fall too. Probably should've been 8/9 assists.
I really hope we have a second point guard emerge alongside Kolek. Not this year, but in the next couple. This offense with two creators like that to take pressure off each other could be insane once it gets going.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2022, 08:56:44 AM
I really hope we have a second point guard emerge alongside Kolek. Not this year, but in the next couple. This offense with two creators like that to take pressure off each other could be insane once it gets going.
They have put their eggs in a lot of baskets too. Mitchell, Kam, Ellis, and Sean Jones. That's 4 guys beyond Kolek that could at least play middle of the pack minutes at the point guard spot in a pinch. One of them is bound to be able to do it.
Sean and Mitchell can play defense at high levels, especially for their size. Ellis has the most size and room to grow. Kam could score and carry 30% of an offense tomorrow if he had too.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 07, 2022, 09:25:25 AM
They have put their eggs in a lot of baskets too. Mitchell, Kam, Ellis, and Sean Jones. That's 4 guys beyond Kolek that could at least play middle of the pack minutes at the point guard spot in a pinch. One of them is bound to be able to do it.
Sean and Mitchell can play defense at high levels, especially for their size. Ellis has the most size and room to grow. Kam could score and carry 30% of an offense tomorrow if he had too.
Sean reminds me of (and I hope projects to at least) Fatts Russell. Constant pest on defense that can find a bucket when you need him to.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 07, 2022, 09:25:25 AM
They have put their eggs in a lot of baskets too. Mitchell, Kam, Ellis, and Sean Jones. That's 4 guys beyond Kolek that could at least play middle of the pack minutes at the point guard spot in a pinch. One of them is bound to be able to do it.
Sean and Mitchell can play defense at high levels, especially for their size. Ellis has the most size and room to grow. Kam could score and carry 30% of an offense tomorrow if he had too.
Good points, especially on Ellis. He's the guy the staff raves about. This has essentially been a redshirt year for him, but if he turns into what they expect, he could certainly be that guy, and at a long, athletic 6'5", would be a tough matchup.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2022, 09:31:06 AM
Good points, especially on Ellis. He's the guy the staff raves about. This has essentially been a redshirt year for him, but if he turns into what they expect, he could certainly be that guy, and at a long, athletic 6'5", would be a tough matchup.
Hopefully they can keep him around. Of any guy on the roster, he seems most likely to use his free transfer to dip out after this year based on the fact he's been glued to the bench all season. Can't imagine this is how he expected his freshman season to go.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 07, 2022, 09:34:11 AM
Hopefully they can keep him around. Of any guy on the roster, he seems most likely to use his free transfer to dip out after this year based on the fact he's been glued to the bench all season. Can't imagine this is how he expected his freshman season to go.
I would agree. The metrics point to a lower "Slap of five" Adj efficiency right now on the bench.
That said, I do hope he stays. He has A LOT of potential and has hopefully been working on the gaps in his play.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 07, 2022, 09:34:11 AM
Hopefully they can keep him around. Of any guy on the roster, he seems most likely to use his free transfer to dip out after this year based on the fact he's been glued to the bench all season. Can't imagine this is how he expected his freshman season to go.
I think they've been preparing him for this. Since before the start of the year, all the talk around Ellis was about potential and long-term realization. I was more surprised he didn't redshirt than that he had the role he did. He was the most raw freshman and the staff knew it and made sure everyone around the program knew it too. I'm sure they made sure Ellis knew that as well and that his opportunity was in the future, not the present.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 06, 2022, 09:34:56 AM
So, you are saying that Shaka is as good at in-game strategy as you are? ;D
I wouldn't go that far, but he is getting better, no?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2022, 09:40:57 AM
I'm sure they made sure Ellis knew that as well and that his opportunity was in the future, not the present.
Hopefully, but that wasn't his day 1 expectation:
https://www.ourquadcities.com/sports/local-sports/former-assumption-guard-emarion-ellis-is-ready-for-marquette/
Quote"Emarion's first varsity game as a freshmen at Bettendorf. He played against DJ and it was new to him. I mean he had the second highest points scored in that game but I think it's good it kinda gets the Quad Cities riled up, you know you got two guys. Two top quality games playing on the same team. It makes for good TV" said Thomas.
"That will actually be good, I mean home town kids playing two kids for the MAC. Two top killers that will be nice. Especially from the same area to motivate a lot of younger kids that's coming up" said George Todd Emarion's Cousin.
Emarion Ellis is confident he will come in year 1 and contribute.
Hopefully we can come back on this and cold takes expose me, but I don't see it with Ellis. With Joplin and Stevie, they have holes in their game where they're not ready to consistently contribute right now. But you can see what they bring to the table and that they'll be big time contributors in a year or two.
Ellis reminds me of Symir at this level. Both look like Bambi on ice to me. Just in over their heads at this level of basketball. We'll see what happens, but nothing I've seen suggests he's got big contributor written all over him.
Quote from: WithoutBias on March 07, 2022, 10:10:20 AM
Hopefully we can come back on this and cold takes expose me, but I don't see it with Ellis. With Joplin and Stevie, they have holes in their game where they're not ready to consistently contribute right now. But you can see what they bring to the table and that they'll be big time contributors in a year or two.
Ellis reminds me of Symir at this level. Both look like Bambi on ice to me. Just in over their heads at this level of basketball. We'll see what happens, but nothing I've seen suggests he's got big contributor written all over him.
Ellis is a hard one to project. He hasn't appeared all that confident while on the floor, yet there certainly are flashes where I can see the potential. He's made a few drives baseline that showed some really good athleticism. Think he needs another year of strength/conditioning and a a lot of ball-handling drill work. I can see him evolving into a JuJuan Johnson type of player, though maybe not with quite the same passing ability as JJJ had.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 07, 2022, 10:42:51 AM
Ellis is a hard one to project. He hasn't appeared all that confident while on the floor, yet there certainly are flashes where I can see the potential. He's made a few drives baseline that showed some really good athleticism. Think he needs another year of strength/conditioning and a a lot of ball-handling drill work. I can see him evolving into a JuJuan Johnson type of player, though maybe not with quite the same passing ability as JJJ had.
Interestingly enough, I've been most impressed with EE's passing in limited action.
I've consistently heard that Ellis is the player on roster who the staff thinks will have the best NBA career one day...but he's the youngest and the most raw. Hopefully, they can keep him around and he realizes that potential here.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 07, 2022, 10:07:33 AMHopefully, but that wasn't his day 1 expectation:
I can't imagine many seniors going to a high-major are going to tell the local paper "I can't wait to get there and sit out the first year." It may not have been his expectation right after wrapping up his senior season in high school, but the staff had the full summer and all of this season to change that expectation. At the open practice in October, it felt very clear from Shaka that Ellis was a guy who was seen as more of a project, and I've heard the same all season long.
I understand why people think he will transfer, but I don't think it's nearly the given some believe.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2022, 12:07:14 PM
I can't imagine many seniors going to a high-major are going to tell the local paper "I can't wait to get there and sit out the first year." It may not have been his expectation right after wrapping up his senior season in high school, but the staff had the full summer and all of this season to change that expectation. At the open practice in October, it felt very clear from Shaka that Ellis was a guy who was seen as more of a project, and I've heard the same all season long.
I understand why people think he will transfer, but I don't think it's nearly the given some believe.
1) Not disagreeing at all. Like I said, hopefully they have communicated well and he's bought into "the plan"
2) But this is different than a player saying "I'll be given a chance to make an impact immediately"
3) Interesting that the family was excited to see him play with DJ. I guess it makes sense. I hadn't considered that expectation in the 'happiness of EE camp' conversation.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2022, 08:56:44 AM
I really hope we have a second point guard emerge alongside Kolek. Not this year, but in the next couple. This offense with two creators like that to take pressure off each other could be insane once it gets going.
We need improvement from the position if we're gonna be serious contenders for anything.
I like to think we'll get it from Kolek getting better and/or Stevie gaining confidence and offensive consistency and/or Ellis being next year's Oso and/or Sean Jones being an instant impact player.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 07, 2022, 10:07:33 AM
Hopefully, but that wasn't his day 1 expectation:
https://www.ourquadcities.com/sports/local-sports/former-assumption-guard-emarion-ellis-is-ready-for-marquette/
I don't find this to be good evidence. It's a local paper of a prep kid... there's no reason for any of the parties involved to say, "I/he plans to ride the pine and just learn. He's not quite ready, but give him a year on campus and he could make a big impact"
Edit: ooops, brew had beat me to it
Tower is doing good, no worries.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 05, 2022, 11:06:38 PM
I love Tower's recaps. He has a gift for summing things up well, and succinctly. He may have had to work tonight, so I'll put forward my effort (be kind).
1. A very nice bounce-back from the abomination of the DePaul game. Credit to the coach and the
squad.
2. The start was a little frustrating. 10-0, and we peed it away. It seems that when we're on the on
the other end of such a start, the deficit never disappears.
3. A little concerned that Justin was gassed and needed a break. He came back in and was woefully
short on a 3, but loosened up and was himself down the stretch.
4. Morsell handling the ball at the ends of games has to stop.
5. How many times did we score a nice hoop, and celebrate? Meanwhile, SJU was running down
for a runout.
6. The big thing is, we avoided a Wed. game at the Garden.
7. Goose egg from Kolek. Makes you think our pick and roll is pretty much dead. Zero from Kam as
well.
8. FT's no matta. But they helped us tonight.
9.Nice to see Kur back among the living - nice game.
10.Nice 3 from Stevie at a key time -like his future with us.
11. Don't forget it was Senior Night. Certainly appreciate what Kur and Darryl have done for us
this year, but Kudos most of all to GE, who's been there most of the time since I got out of
MKE in 1972, I hope he comes back to wipe out Otule's records.
Happy to hear Tower is good agree Tower has awesome Marquette recaps. Thank You for your efforts filling in admirably. Tower might have been at Good City Brewing.