Congrats to this young Warriors team. We're in perfect position to make a run in the BET and elevate our seed. It wasn't all that pretty but a W is a W.
Stone cold lock. Been waiting for this one.
^^^^^ YES
I'm one of the ones that was of the belief that we already were a lock.
But really damn glad we dont have to test that theory with Gtown Wednesday.
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Stone cold lock. Been waiting for this one.
Brew we need to get off that 8/9 line but I really think the pressure is off now. We are very capable of playing at a higher level like we saw in January and at home vs Nova.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 05, 2022, 10:27:57 PM
Brew we need to get off that 8/9 line but I really think the pressure is off now. We are very capable of playing at a higher level like we saw in January and at home vs Nova.
We gotta do what I think we are capable of and win the first two at the Garden imo.
I don't understand all the frustration here, a 4 point favorite, won by 8. Marquette was in control most of the game.
Big East tourney is next.
LETS GOOOOO!!!
Step 1 to getting our program back. Awesome stuff. Let's have a March to remember!
I love the fact that this game mattered so much. Yeah, I absolutely want to win some games in the BET and NCAA but regardless of what happens the rest of the way I'm thrilled with this season.
Saved their NCAA tourney ass's tonight.
Great win.... And a solid season. I did not expect 19-11 and top half of BEast. Congrats to all
Quote from: Boston Warrior on March 05, 2022, 10:29:02 PM
I don't understand all the frustration here, a 4 point favorite, won by 8. Marquette was in control most of the game.
Big East tourney is next.
It's the self-inflicted mistakes that drive me up the wall. We had numerous chances to drop the hammer early in the 2nd half. I also think many scoopers were frustrated with our matador transition defense. This team has the pieces but we have to play with more intelligence and poise imo.
Quote from: Boston Warrior on March 05, 2022, 10:29:02 PM
I don't understand all the frustration here, a 4 point favorite, won by 8. Marquette was in control most of the game.
Big East tourney is next.
Agreed here.
Some sloppy passing but StJ turns a lot of teams over, the pace alone will do some of that.
It seemed like MU led by about 6 almost the entire game.
I was pretty happy with how they came out tonight and kept answering runs after that debacle in Chicago.
Lets carry it to the concrete jungle where dreams are made of
Quote from: Boston Warrior on March 05, 2022, 10:29:02 PM
I don't understand all the frustration here, a 4 point favorite, won by 8. Marquette was in control most of the game.
Big East tourney is next.
I think its all the unforced errors and stupid mistakes this team makes. Hell we couldn't even get a shot clock violation at the end of the game and gave St Johns an extra 16 seconds. We are simply not a smart offensive team and they put way too much pressure on themselves. They should have won by 20 plus tonight but they would constantly gift them the ball.
My frustration is simply that. If we play smart most nights we can beat almost anyone. But we don't usually play smart.
where is the freak who said hed be shocked to see a win tonight. freakin clown
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 05, 2022, 10:36:13 PM
I think its all the unforced errors and stupid mistakes this team makes. Hell we couldn't even get a shot clock violation at the end of the game and gave St Johns an extra 16 seconds. We are simply not a smart offensive team and they put way too much pressure on themselves. They should have won by 20 plus tonight but they would constantly gift them the ball.
My frustration is simply that. If we play smart most nights we can beat almost anyone. But we don't usually play smart.
We should have won by 20???
St Johns lost 2 big east games by more than 10 all year.
I don't think winning by 20 was happening for us or most any other BEast teams.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 05, 2022, 10:37:27 PM
where is the freak who said hed be shocked to see a win tonight. freakin clown
How can anyone be shocked by a home conference win? That's peculiar!
Quote from: Daniel on March 05, 2022, 10:33:11 PM
Great win.... And a solid season. I did not expect 19-11 and top half of BEast. Congrats to all
It's weirdly nice to be slightly disappointed with 11 wins in the Big East. Could have been more but this team has exceeded lots of people's preseason expectations. Still work to do but I'm excited to see what happens.
Quote from: fjm on March 05, 2022, 10:39:30 PM
We should have won by 20???
St Johns lost 2 big east games by more than 10 all year.
I don't think winning by 20 was happening for us or most any other BEast teams.
Yep. These kind of takes are bizarre.
Quote from: fjm on March 05, 2022, 10:39:30 PM
We should have won by 20???
St Johns lost 2 big east games by more than 10 all year.
I don't think winning by 20 was happening for us or most any other BEast teams.
A little hyperbole but there were multiple unforced turnovers by MU and easy transition baskets by St. John's especially after MU made threes that accounted for at least 10 -15 points.
Look I'm glad we won. But we are as undisciplined a team as they come, lately. We make things harder on ourselves than they have to be.
Go Marquette!
Keep in mind that even if we get an 8 or 9, we are capable of inflicting damage. This is a Warriors team that beat Nova twice and bludgeoned Providence by 30. There's no question we need TK to play far better than we have seen the last month but with today's parity you just never know. My hope is we get at least a 7, but a 6 seed would be ideal. Despite our flaws, tonight was a superb evening for the Warriors and a confidence booster.
Wonder if Creighton might find themselves on the bubble after we beat them on Thursday? 67 in KenPom.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 05, 2022, 10:52:43 PM
Keep in mind that even if we get an 8 or 9, we are capable of inflicting damage. This is a Warriors team that beat Nova twice and bludgeoned Providence by 30. There's no question we need TK to play far better than we have seen the last month but with today's parity you just never know. My hope is we get at least a 7, but a 6 seed would be ideal. Despite our flaws, tonight was a superb evening for the Warriors and a confidence booster.
Muggsy-
My biggest hope/confidence for this years NCAA big dance is that MU will face a team that it hasn't seen before and hasn't been able to scout Marquettes effective pick and roll scheme with TyKo and the bigs.
The biggest downfall of the last month was BE teams adjusting and stopping MU on the pick and roll and dive to the hoop by the bigs. Tyler had been completely bottled up because of it, and the offense has had to create- mainly Justin in multiple ways and Darryl, with that sweet mid range pull up J.
Draw is Sunday, team has 3 days to scout and prep.
MU hasn't showed that offensive prowess in a month so the scout team will have to use the nova wins or other bigs wins and completely gameplan against MUs pick and roll.
I don't think our opposition will be successful.
If MU comes out and gets a few of those earlier in the season patented TyKo to the big for a layup/dunk or TyKo to the corner pass for 3 Marquette will win that first game.
Book it on March 17 if that happens in the first 5 minutes
I am still skeptical of Marquette's seed, net rank 36, Ken Pom 40. That would imply 9 or 10. Yes q 1 and 2 have a lot of wins but a lot of losses. I do hope for a couple of wins in bet and a good draw in the ncaa tourney.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 05, 2022, 11:06:30 PM
My biggest hope/confidence for this years NCAA big dance is that MU will face a team that it hasn't seen before and hasn't been able to scout Marquettes effective pick and roll scheme with TyKo and the bigs.
Do NCAA teams often not scout their opponents? I hope we play one of those!
Quote from: Boston Warrior on March 05, 2022, 11:08:24 PM
I am still skeptical of Marquette's seed, net rank 36, Ken Pom 40. That would imply 9 or 10. Yes q 1 and 2 have a lot of wins but a lot of losses. I do hope for a couple of wins in bet and a good draw in the ncaa tourney.
We have zero Q3 and 4 losses right now as well
Also 36 does point to a 9 seed.
If you assume teams like San Fran, Loyola, San Diego State, St Marys, Colorado State, Boise State, Virginia Tech, Murray State, Wake will all be ahead of us
Are we officially an afternoon game on Thursday?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 05, 2022, 11:13:16 PM
Are we officially an afternoon game on Thursday?
Sigh. Officially 1:30pm CT on FS1. Please try to read what has already been posted though.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 05, 2022, 11:13:16 PM
Are we officially an afternoon game on Thursday?
Yes. Game 2.
1:30ish
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 05, 2022, 11:11:01 PM
Do NCAA teams often not scout their opponents? I hope we play one of those!
I think most 10 seeds spend Monday celebrating and Tuesday playing video games, Wednesday is a travel day.
You know what I mean, I think.
You watch any film in the last month and you think "does Marquette always play this slow white kid that doesn't do much out there?"
You dig deeper and you think "well if we stop this kid from getting everyone else an open look and easy bucket their offense becomes a lot less effective"
I'm not sure if this is a flawed thought, but I would imagine that the defenses MU plays in the BE are a bit better than who we see on 3/17
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 05, 2022, 11:15:27 PM
Sigh. Officially 1:30pm CT on FS1. Please try to read what has already been posted though.
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Quote from: DoctorV on March 05, 2022, 11:16:53 PM
I think most 10 seeds spend Monday celebrating and Tuesday playing video games, Wednesday is a travel day.
You know what I mean, I think.
You watch any film in the last month and you think "does Marquette always play this slow white kid that doesn't do much out there?"
You dig deeper and you think "well if we stop this kid from getting everyone else an open look and easy bucket their offense becomes a lot less effective"
I'm not sure if this is a flawed thought, but I would imagine that the defenses MU plays in the BE are a bit better than who we see on 3/17
crap, even if whoever we play has a solid D. Itll at least be a completely new team. BE teams played us twice each(aside from SJU) and all had a book out on us after a awhile. Other teams might not be as ready. Especially if we can win game 1 and get a team drawing us on short turn around.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 05, 2022, 11:16:53 PM
You know what I mean, I think.
[snip]
I'm not sure if this is a flawed thought, but I would imagine that the defenses MU plays in the BE are a bit better than who we see on 3/17
I understand where you're coming from, but I can't imagine a top 100 team NOT watching several key video plays from their opponents wins, as well as several from their losses. But maybe I'm just detail oriented. :-\
I don't think people understand the amount of preparation that goes into high level college athletics.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 05, 2022, 11:16:53 PM
I think most 10 seeds spend Monday celebrating and Tuesday playing video games, Wednesday is a travel day.
You know what I mean, I think.
You watch any film in the last month and you think "does Marquette always play this slow white kid that doesn't do much out there?"
You dig deeper and you think "well if we stop this kid from getting everyone else an open look and easy bucket their offense becomes a lot less effective"
I'm not sure if this is a flawed thought, but I would imagine that the defenses MU plays in the BE are a bit better than who we see on 3/17
It's totally a flawed thought that we'll take our first-round opponent by surprise because they won't "dig deeper" right off the bat.
Most college coaches are good, they have knowledgeable and hard-working assistants, and almost all coaches are obsessive. Our opponent will see a week from Sunday who the matchup is, and by the time their coaches go to bed that night, they will have a complete scouting report drawn up and ready for Monday's practice. They'll have plenty of time to get ready for what we do. Not sure where you get the idea that there won't be full practices on Monday and Tuesday.
I am NOT saying our opponent will be able to stop everything we want to do. St. John's knew exactly what we'd do based on months of scouting and they still couldn't stop Morsell at the elbow, Lewis from all over the court, several alley-oops, some wide-open 3s for our best shooters. What I'm saying is that it's very wishful thinking to believe there won't be enough time.
Now, maybe our second-round opponent will not have the kind of time they'd like to prepare. But they'll likely be a 1 or 2 -- in other words, a lot better than we are -- so we'll need to do something special to beat 'em.
Frankly, I'll be more concerned about our defense's ability to stop our opponent than vice versa. And it won't be because Shaka didn't scout 'em and prepare the best possible plan.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 05, 2022, 10:33:45 PM
It's the self-inflicted mistakes that drive me up the wall. We had numerous chances to drop the hammer early in the 2nd half. I also think many scoopers were frustrated with our matador transition defense. This team has the pieces but we have to play with more intelligence and poise imo.
MU is an imperfect team who plays hard. I'd recommend you enjoy the ride.
I was being sarcastic about the playing video games and celebrating part.
That said, my point is that it's a tight window.
You are scouting as much as you can in that window, but how much do you share with your team with the hope think that they will grasp?
There is definitely scouting involved- reminds me of good old Buzzards postgame interview on shutting down that one PG in the dance, was it Tu Holloway? I think it was a Murray St kid that had an amazing year. That interview was awesome, but buzz also had the defensive personnel to do that.
If you scout this years MU squad in a short window and you go into practice on Monday morning to coach up your teams defense you focus a lot on Justin, but then it's kind of a crap shoot.
Not sure how far down the scouting report shutting down and his pick and roll abilities is, but I hope it's pretty far down.
I don't worry about MUs defense, that's just grit and determination with all that adrenaline. I worry about getting buckets, easy buckets, early and often. Then dropping some Darryl mid rangers and letting Jus be Jus, maybe a few Kam or Greg 3s and the day is a success.
I think it all boils down to that offense scoring some easy points and letting the confidence roll, and the defense will follow suit (or lead the way for the offense to close the deal)
Quote from: DoctorV on March 05, 2022, 11:41:35 PM
I was being sarcastic about the playing video games and celebrating part.
That said, my point is that it's a tight window.
You are scouting as much as you can in that window, but how much do you share with your team with the hope think that they will grasp?
There is definitely scouting involved- reminds me of good old Buzzards postgame interview on shutting down that one PG in the dance, was it Tu Holloway? I think it was a Murray St kid that had an amazing year. That interview was awesome, but buzz also had the defensive personnel to do that.
If you scout this years MU squad in a short window and you go into practice on Monday morning to coach up your teams defense you focus a lot on Justin, but then it's kind of a crap shoot.
Not sure how far down the scouting report shutting down and his pick and roll abilities is, but I hope it's pretty far down.
I don't worry about MUs defense, that's just grit and determination with all that adrenaline. I worry about getting buckets, easy buckets, early and often. Then dropping some Darryl mid rangers and letting Jus be Jus, maybe a few Kam or Greg 3s and the day is a success.
I think it all boils down to that offense scoring some easy points and letting the confidence roll, and the defense will follow suit (or lead the way for the offense to close the deal)
A lot of wishful thinking there, but that's OK. It's what fans who aren't Debbie Downers should do!
We'll be scouted thoroughly, and the opponents' defensive game plan will include plenty about our pick-and-roll. Now, will they execute their defense better than we can execute what we want to do on offense? We'll see!
I sure hope you're right about our defense, because we haven't played a lot of good D the last month-plus.
Guys, every likely tourney team has a good idea of what their likely seed is and who their possible opponents are a t this point. Our first round opponent is already preparing a scouting package on us.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 06, 2022, 12:49:31 AM
Guys, every likely tourney team has a good idea of what their likely seed is and who their possible opponents are a t this point. Our first round opponent is already preparing a scouting package on us.
Sweet. So who is Shaka and company preparing a scouting package for?
I'll guess Creighton unless proven otherwise.
It's one thing to gather data and some film on 15 teams that you can possibly face, it's all out there to be gathered in several hours.
It's another to watch and analyze several games of film on a team you haven't seen much, or at all, outside of some mainstream highlights.
Not that any of it will matter much anyhow tbh, the best team on that day will win the game more often than not.
For Marquette to be the best team on that day the easiest path, offensively, is an effective TyKo, as he previously was this season. There are other paths, several of them, but my hope is that the easiest comes to fruition and we don't have to worry about the others as much
Quote from: DoctorV on March 06, 2022, 01:11:50 AM
Sweet. So who is Shaka and company preparing a scouting package for?
At this point?
Michigan St
Iowa St
TCU
San Diego St.
San Francisco
Davidson
Without a good BET run, one of those will likely be our opponent. (Creighton & Seton Hall would also be of concern for those teams, but not us)
Put it this way. It's far more likely that our opponent will have watched 2020-2021 Oklahoma, Clemson, George Mason, and Maryland games than it is that they forgot to watch Marquette games prior to February 2022.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 05, 2022, 11:39:00 PM
MU is an imperfect team who plays hard. I'd recommend you enjoy the ride.
What a season; we are all so starved to have a winning season/program that when we do, the glass is half empty rather than full when we don't play well. The thrill of actually competing and winning and the agony of losing this season is so much more fun as compared to the last 7 years we had to endure. The program has taken one step forward and we should all celebrate.
Lose Thursday and the 'Quette is squarely on the bubble
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2022, 07:30:24 AM
Lose Thursday and the 'Quette is squarely on the bubble
Nope. That's not happening Uncle R.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 06, 2022, 07:32:06 AM
Nope. That's not happening Uncle R.
That's not what I read
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 05, 2022, 10:44:51 PM
A little hyperbole but there were multiple unforced turnovers by MU and easy transition baskets by St. John's especially after MU made threes that accounted for at least 10 -15 points.
Look I'm glad we won. But we are as undisciplined a team as they come, lately. We make things harder on ourselves than they have to be.
Go Marquette!
Agree. No way we should've expected a 20-point win, but the unforced errors are frustrating at this point in the season.
Still, the ride has been a blast....
Dr. B
We are an imperfect team this season and that is why I enjoyed the season so much. The effort put in, the different guys stepping up and everyone playing has been fun to watch. There have been a few disappointing moments, but the good moments have been really good. These guys deserve a few more weeks of basketball and I hope they get it. This has been one of my all-time favorite seasons and my excitement level for the future is very high.
Kolek is so key to this team. He doesn't have to be Steve Nash but we are at our best when he is on his game and finds ways to pick his spots a score a little bit. The turnovers must go down though from our entire squad. They're sloppy and primarily self-inflicted. We can play up tempo but there no reason to be in a hurry every possession.
Our transition defense has also been astonishingly bad at times. The easiest way to raise many scoopers blood pressure is to see an MU opponent go the length of the floor, in 2.6 secs, AFTER a made bucket. These are focus issues, not a "flaw" or a personnel problem. Get back, stop the ball, be less reactive and more decisive and physical. It's also not illegal to take a charge on a downhill drive. Get into people's grills, increase the tenacity meter, catch the and secure the ball off the glass, and we're back in business. There is no dominant team in '22. Including the 1 seeds.
In a mid semester AD meeting last week, Shaka said his biggest challenge is keeping players focused on what is happening today.
The lapses seem to reflect that. We've seen what this team can do when they focus on D and are patient on offense.
The talent is there. Just need to dial in the focus.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 06, 2022, 08:02:58 AM
In a mid semester AD meeting last week, Shaka said his biggest challenge is keeping players focused on what is happening today.
The lapses seem to reflect that. We've seen what this team can do when they focus on D and are patient on offense.
The talent is there. Just need to dial in the focus.
Well stated.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2022, 07:30:24 AM
Lose Thursday and the 'Quette is squarely on the bubble
Edit: my guess is you are joking.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 06, 2022, 09:41:56 AM
Edit: my guess is you are joking.
I get all my bubble information from Scoop
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
I get all my bubble information from Scoop
Am I missing prognosticators that think we are anywhere near the bubble?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 06, 2022, 09:53:59 AM
Am I missing prognosticators that think we are anywhere near the bubble?
Uncle Rico has been trolling hard for awhile. ;)
Not only are we not going to make, I hear we are getting the death penalty too.
Quote from: Boston Warrior on March 05, 2022, 11:08:24 PM
I am still skeptical of Marquette's seed, net rank 36, Ken Pom 40. That would imply 9 or 10. Yes q 1 and 2 have a lot of wins but a lot of losses. I do hope for a couple of wins in bet and a good draw in the ncaa tourney.
Many other things factor in, even moving seeds to try to avoid early Conference matchups.
If MU gets an 8 seed, that is still a success story given the pre-season projections. A finish of 5th in BEast is also a success considering those pre-season projections. Still disappointing when looking back at that mid season run.
Shaka must still improve on bringing in studs and learn how to not lose to teams like UConn, DePaul and Creighton. We should always be ahead of some of those teams considering our history, resources and Shakas history.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 06, 2022, 12:36:31 PM
If MU gets an 8 seed, that is still a success story given the pre-season projections. A finish of 5th in BEast is also a success considering those pre-season projections. Still disappointing when looking back at that mid season run.
Shaka must still improve on bringing in studs and learn how to not lose to teams like UConn, DePaul and Creighton. We should always be ahead of some of those teams considering our history, resources and Shakas history.
UConn has won 4 national titles in the last 25 years
Quote from: willie warrior on March 06, 2022, 12:36:31 PM
If MU gets an 8 seed, that is still a success story given the pre-season projections. A finish of 5th in BEast is also a success considering those pre-season projections. Still disappointing when looking back at that mid season run.
Shaka must still improve on bringing in studs and learn how to not lose to teams like UConn, DePaul and Creighton. We should always be ahead of some of those teams considering our history, resources and Shakas history.
bro. An ncaa selection this year is a massive success. 8 seed is solid! We shoulda been a mid NIT selection.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 06, 2022, 12:36:31 PM
If MU gets an 8 seed, that is still a success story given the pre-season projections. A finish of 5th in BEast is also a success considering those pre-season projections. Still disappointing when looking back at that mid season run.
Shaka must still improve on bringing in studs and learn how to not lose to teams like UConn, DePaul and Creighton. We should always be ahead of some of those teams considering our history, resources and Shakas history.
DePaul and Creighton sure... in what non blue and gold glasses world is MU above UConn as a program after the 70s?
How are we "officially" a lock?
Who made it official?
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 06, 2022, 04:26:30 PM
How are we "officially" a lock?
Who made it official?
Ok, someone is bored.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 06, 2022, 04:26:30 PM
How are we "officially" a lock?
Who made it official?
Vladimir Putin.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 05, 2022, 10:31:13 PM
I love the fact that this game mattered so much. Yeah, I absolutely want to win some games in the BET and NCAA but regardless of what happens the rest of the way I'm thrilled with this season.
Porky concurs. If anyone had told Porky we'd be 19-11 and 11-8 in conf and NCAA bound prior to the start of the season Porky would have said they're crazy, but thrilled to be wrong. Where Porky diverges from Blue Man is in loving that the game mattered so much. Had they taken care of business on Wednesday it would have mattered less. Porky flew out to attend the St. John's game from the east coast, and honestly wished the game mattered a lot less and that MU was in a such a strong position, their NCAA seeding / prospects wouldn't have been vulnerable even if STJ smoked them. Glad they didn't, just sayin. As it happens, STJ was also staying in Porky's hotel. This was Porky's first time at Fiserv and the venue is nothing short of spectacular. If Fiserv isn't the nicest arena in the country Porky doesn't know what is. The student section and general fan engagement was incredible and nothing like the ambivalent at best atmosphere back when Porky was a student, and assume during the last couple of WOJO years as well. Extremely Impressed!
Great post Porky