The "Perspective" thread got me thinking (which is always dangerous) about the difference between season-long "perspective" and "expectations" for the rest of the season.
At this point, why would anybody establish his or her expectations for the rest of the season based on what he or she knew in October? This isn't the same team as the one that showed up for Madness. Every player has 28 games of experience and months of practice working together. We know what every single player can and can't do. We know how Shaka coaches. We've seen all the Big East teams, all the Top 25 teams and lots of other potential NCAAT opponents, so we can make reasonably intelligent comparisons.
Personally, my expectations have evolved as the season has gone along, and will continue to do so.
Going into the season, I thought we'd be lucky to barely be on the bubble. ... After the Illinois win and Charleston tourney, I thought, "Hmm, we just might have an NCAAT team." ... After the 1-5 stretch that included losses to Madison and our first 3 BEast opponents, I thought we probably weren't more than an NIT team. ... After the 7-2 stretch that included 2 wins over Nova and got us into the top 20, I thought we had a great shot at the Sweet 16 and an outside chance at the Final Four. ... Now that I've seen how opposing coaches have countered what we do best on both offense and defense in these last 7 games, I remain optimistic but I'm thinking that anything beyond Sweet 16 is highly unlikely; if we get an unfortunate UConn-ish matchup early in the NCAAs, 1-and-done is quite possible. ... And I'll adjust my expectations one more time after the BET.
Isn't that more logical on Feb. 28 than basing expectations for March on what we knew in October?
Now, if the question is, "How have we done based on your expectations going into the season," I'd give the team an A+ because they've already significantly exceeded my expectations. And they've done so playing an exciting brand of team-oriented basketball that I think bodes well for the future.
But I think that and current expectations for March are two separate things.
We have a ton of information now. Adjust expectations accordingly.
You are describing two different things that can both be described by the word "expectations". It's okay to have a pre-season set of expectations and use that as a measuring stick for whether the team over-achieved, under-achieved, or met expectations AND have expectations moving forward based on what we see during the season. It's also okay to have a set of expectations for the program that don't ever change. If you expect MU to make the NCAAT every year regardless of the roster because that's what you see as the appropriate cut off for a good season vs a bad season, that's okay.
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Fair assessment and goes along with what my expectations are currently. Get the right matchups and this is a sweet sixteen team. It all hinges on the team getting back to their defensive identity and energy. If they do that it could be a fun run in the Big East and NCAA tournaments.
Agree with Goose that it is a long season and that great run in the middle took some incredible energy and prolonged concentration. That was/would have been hard to sustain the rest of the season. Now it's time to pick it back up and hopefully that happens with two wins this week against beatable teams.
I honestly don't know my expectations at this point. Get one win this week and I expect we land in the 4/5 game. I like our odds against Aikenless Seton Hall or Nembhardless Creighton, and we are a better team than Providence, if they even beat the winner of the 8/9 game. So a Big East Tourney final might be my expectation, but it won't kill me if they don't get it.
In the tourney, so much comes down to matchups. I could see us getting the right draw and making a second weekend, I could see us getting a bad first round matchup and faltering there.
Ultimately, I think my expectation, my one hope, is to win one NCAA game. Do that and everything else is gravy.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 28, 2022, 08:56:31 AM
I honestly don't know my expectations at this point. Get one win this week and I expect we land in the 4/5 game. I like our odds against Aikenless Seton Hall or Nembhardless Creighton, and we are a better team than Providence, if they even beat the winner of the 8/9 game. So a Big East Tourney final might be my expectation, but it won't kill me if they don't get it.
In the tourney, so much comes down to matchups. I could see us getting the right draw and making a second weekend, I could see us getting a bad first round matchup and faltering there.
Ultimately, I think my expectation, my one hope, is to win one NCAA game. Do that and everything else is gravy.
The bolded is where I am also.
My only expectation is to play better. Since the 2nd Nova win, this team has played down to their level of competition.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 28, 2022, 08:56:31 AM
I honestly don't know my expectations at this point. Get one win this week and I expect we land in the 4/5 game. I like our odds against Aikenless Seton Hall or Nembhardless Creighton, and we are a better team than Providence, if they even beat the winner of the 8/9 game. So a Big East Tourney final might be my expectation, but it won't kill me if they don't get it.
In the tourney, so much comes down to matchups. I could see us getting the right draw and making a second weekend, I could see us getting a bad first round matchup and faltering there.
Ultimately, I think my expectation, my one hope, is to win one NCAA game. Do that and everything else is gravy.
Bold statement regarding Providence. We certainly were a better team that night we pounded them, but there is basically nothing else about this season that states we're a better team. They're 24-3 FFS.
I had bullish expectations for the team going into the season. The team as whole met my expectations , as did the individual players and coaching staff.
Going forward I believe we are capable of getting on another winning streak and going deep into the BET.
Fun to see the program with the dynamism it has
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Hoping to rattle off 3 in a row before taking our chances with Nova in the semis.
Wouldn't be shocked to see us go 1-1 this week though.
As for the NCAAs, so matchup dependent. I think this team is plenty good enough to make a run to the 2nd weekend if things click. We play like we've played the last several weeks, and its going to be a challenge to win a game in the tourney.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 28, 2022, 08:51:46 AM
You are describing two different things that can both be described by the word "expectations". It's okay to have a pre-season set of expectations and use that as a measuring stick for whether the team over-achieved, under-achieved, or met expectations AND have expectations moving forward based on what we see during the season. It's also okay to have a set of expectations for the program that don't ever change. If you expect MU to make the NCAAT every year regardless of the roster because that's what you see as the appropriate cut off for a good season vs a bad season, that's okay.
I pretty much said the same thing, didn't I?
You amplified it in your last couple of sentences regarding basic expectations of the program overall, which I agree is very fair.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 28, 2022, 08:56:31 AM
I honestly don't know my expectations at this point. Get one win this week and I expect we land in the 4/5 game. I like our odds against Aikenless Seton Hall or Nembhardless Creighton, and we are a better team than Providence, if they even beat the winner of the 8/9 game. So a Big East Tourney final might be my expectation, but it won't kill me if they don't get it.
In the tourney, so much comes down to matchups. I could see us getting the right draw and making a second weekend, I could see us getting a bad first round matchup and faltering there.
Ultimately, I think my expectation, my one hope, is to win one NCAA game. Do that and everything else is gravy.
We are in agreement on your overall thesis. I think it's A-OK (normal, even) to adjust expectations constantly. As for being better than The Provi ... I like to think Smart & Company are, but they have an effen rabbit's foot up their keisters and have won an awful lot of games.
Had zero expectations for a good year. The start changed that, December changed that as we fell to crap again, then January changed that and I believed, the. February changed that as we fell down to earth. So I'm expecting March to be another chance for my expectations to be sky high before we fall apart in April so people can have a sour face over a final four like 03
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 28, 2022, 10:10:35 AM
Had zero expectations for a good year. The start changed that, December changed that as we fell to crap again, then January changed that and I believed, the. February changed that as we fell down to earth. So I'm expecting March to be another chance for my expectations to be sky high before we fall apart in April so people can have a sour face over a final four like 03
I would be THRILLED to have a sour face brought about by an ending like 03.
It would suck in the moment ... but big picture, a Final Four run never sucks. And I'm guessing you agree with that, too.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 28, 2022, 09:53:16 AM
Bold statement regarding Providence. We certainly were a better team that night we pounded them, but there is basically nothing else about this season that states we're a better team. They're 24-3 FFS.
Lucky sham of a team. Ripe for early exits from every March contest they play in. Not just a paper tiger, but a soaking wet crepe paper tiger.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 28, 2022, 10:06:09 AM
Hoping to rattle off 3 in a row before taking our chances with Nova in the semis.
Wouldn't be shocked to see us go 1-1 this week though.
As for the NCAAs, so matchup dependent. I think this team is plenty good enough to make a run to the 2nd weekend if things click. We play like we've played the last several weeks, and its going to be a challenge to win a game in the tourney.
If we win our next 3 games, we will not be playing Nova in the semis.
Natty or bust. No cole like you clowns
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 28, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
Natty or bust. No cole like you clowns
Sow you're on the SLAW side of COLE/SLAW (Shaka Leads Another Win)?
My expectations have definitely changed over the season and the last few games has not changed my opinion. First objective is to win opening NCAA game and then win as long as they can. I believe a first-round win will happen and if they play well, they can make some noise in the tourney. I might be the only on here not terribly disappointed in the performance the past few games. It is time regroup and get ready to play meaningful games in the upcoming weeks.
They played a tournament like schedule for five weeks and performed at a very high level and that is positive. I do not believe you can play two months straight of that intensity basketball. Based on how they performed against good competition this season I fully expect them to rise to the occasion again. I believe that MU fans have a better chance for upside surprise than downside the rest of the way.
Quote from: Goose on February 28, 2022, 10:52:16 AM
My expectations have definitely changed over the season and the last few games has not changed my opinion. First objective is to win opening NCAA game and then win as long as they can. I believe a first-round win will happen and if they play well, they can make some noise in the tourney. I might be the only on here not terribly disappointed in the performance the past few games. It is time regroup and get ready to play meaningful games in the upcoming weeks.
They played a tournament like schedule for five weeks and performed at a very high level and that is positive. I do not believe you can play two months straight of that intensity basketball. Based on how they performed against good competition this season I fully expect them to rise to the occasion again. I believe that MU fans have a better chance for upside surprise than downside the rest of the way.
Goose, I also am not terribly disappointed in the performance the past few games.
I remain optimistic about NCAA tournament success, which to me matters more than Big East tourney success (not that I think the latter is impossible.) It's been a fun season so far. There's been the occasional frustration (a few of which you've shared), but it's been a successful season to be sure. Here's hoping the best is yet to come!
What's an expection?
I expect to safely scoring more than the 50's for Shaka's tenure.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 28, 2022, 11:24:46 AM
What's an expection?
I have no idea what you could possibly be referring to here!! 8-)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 28, 2022, 11:24:46 AM
What's an expection?
An inspection done backwards. Not looking at something at all. I thought it was clear.
I started the season feeling Shaka and the boys getting a 20 game winning season, along with Mid Big East finish and NCAA Tournament Bid, not a bubble team ! ! ! 8-) My updated expectations is win a game or 2 in BET and get to the Sweet 16, but of course with the given caveat of depending on seeding ! ! ! 8-) Lets GO WARRIORS ! ! !
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 28, 2022, 10:44:22 AM
If we win our next 3 games, we will not be playing Nova in the semis.
Ahhh, yes PC. Just had a brain lapse for second. Easy to do so with Nova has been the 1 seed pretty much constantly since realignment.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 28, 2022, 10:37:26 AM
Lucky sham of a team. Ripe for early exits from every March contest they play in. Not just a paper tiger, but a soaking wet crepe paper tiger.
Hmmm. Sounds personal.
They may not be 24-3 1st place in the BE good, but to say an 18-10 team that is 4.5 games back in the standings in the final week of the season is "better" is errrrrr....optimistic.
Win the BET
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 28, 2022, 01:21:03 PM
Hmmm. Sounds personal.
They may not be 24-3 1st place in the BE good, but to say an 18-10 team that is 4.5 games back in the standings in the final week of the season is "better" is errrrrr....optimistic.
Well given we beat them by a million and a home court advantage is worth 4pts (they won by 2) it could be fair to say that matchup wise we're better on a neutral court. I'd also like to see their record if they had to play the tough games that never got rescheduled.
Expectations are Dumb and Dangerous
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 28, 2022, 01:21:03 PM
Hmmm. Sounds personal.
They may not be 24-3 1st place in the BE good, but to say an 18-10 team that is 4.5 games back in the standings in the final week of the season is "better" is errrrrr....optimistic.
Normally I would agree with you but given that PC got to skip their road games at Creighton and Seton Hall, their home game against UConn, haven't played at Villanova yet, played Creighton without Nembhard , played at UConn without Sanogo (4 point win), DePaul without Freeman-Liberty (1 point OT win), Wisconsin without Johnny Davis (5 point win), and Northwestern without Audige (5 point win)...they are a special case. There's a reason they are ranked behind us in Kenpom and they're being seed as a 3/4 seed rather than a 1/2 like most 3 loss high major teams would be.
Of course, none of that is their fault, they can only play the teams in front of them and they won. But the horseshoe up their arse narrative is based on more than just sour grapes.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 28, 2022, 01:34:06 PM
Normally I would agree with you but given that PC got to skip their road games at Creighton and Seton Hall, their home game against UConn, haven't played at Villanova yet, played Creighton without Nembhard , played at UConn without Sanogo (4 point win), DePaul without Freeman-Liberty (1 point OT win), Wisconsin without Johnny Davis (5 point win), and Northwestern without Audige (5 point win)...they are a special case. There's a reason they are ranked behind us in Kenpom and they're being seed as a 3/4 seed rather than a 1/2 like most 3 loss high major teams would be.
Of course, none of that is their fault, they can only play the teams in front of them and they won. But the horseshoe up their arse narrative is based on more than just sour grapes.
They've definitely been lucky. Not denying that. Just thought it was a bold statement.
MU has had more than a break or two go their way as well.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 28, 2022, 01:21:03 PM
Hmmm. Sounds personal.
They may not be 24-3 1st place in the BE good, but to say an 18-10 team that is 4.5 games back in the standings in the final week of the season is "better" is errrrrr....optimistic.
They won the conference, they are great in close games due to composure, age, and luck. I think it might be a stretch to call MU a better team (although Kenpom agrees, MU 36, PC 39) but the teams are close.
PC will be a popular pick to lose in the first round but I doubt they will.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 28, 2022, 01:52:01 PM
They won the conference, they are great in close games due to composure, age, and luck. I think it might be a stretch to call MU a better team (although Kenpom agrees, MU 36, PC 39) but the teams are close.
PC will be a popular pick to lose in the first round but I doubt they will.
The Dence is hanging a banner. I'm a KenPom fan. I'd be fine watching Marquette "luck" their way into a Big East title, get a top 4 seed while being 39th in analytics.
They've been a lucky team but they're also a champion. If I'm a PU fan, I'll take the luck and title
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 28, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
They've definitely been lucky. Not denying that. Just thought it was a bold statement.
MU has had more than a break or two go their way as well.
I see them as maybe the 5th or 6th best team in the league. Villanova, UConn, Seton Hall, Marquette all better teams. They're in that group with Creighton and Xavier in terms of quality. Missing players, cancelled games, and winning all the coin flips is insane luck.
Being as old as they are aids the 'luck' factor. They never seem to panic.
Quote from: tower912 on February 28, 2022, 03:01:12 PM
Being as old as they are aids the 'luck' factor. They never seem to panic.
Penn State, Seton Hall, and Florida are top-25 in Experience, but sub-200 in luck. Plenty of experienced teams haven't been lucky.
And the next prominent lucky team is Wisconsin, who is 283rd in experience. Creighton and VCU are also top-20 in luck and sub-200 in experience.
Luck is luck. What Providence has is luck. They happen to be both experienced and lucky, but that one example does not mean there is any correlation between experience and luck. They are two completely independent variables.
They've proven themselves to be more than capable in tight games. That's a skill. Reeves rounding into form at the right time opens up a lot of different options for them on the floor. They're a different team when he's playing. Cooley is a great coach and the team is very comfortable with one another.
They don't have top talent, but with all of the above factors, they've deservedly won the conference and will be a tough out in single elimination games.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 28, 2022, 03:17:13 PM
Penn State, Seton Hall, and Florida are top-25 in Experience, but sub-200 in luck. Plenty of experienced teams haven't been lucky.
And the next prominent lucky team is Wisconsin, who is 283rd in experience. Creighton and VCU are also top-20 in luck and sub-200 in experience.
Luck is luck. What Providence has is luck. They happen to be both experienced and lucky, but that one example does not mean there is any correlation between experience and luck. They are two completely independent variables.
To add onto this. Luck isn't just KenPom, we win close games luck either. Luck includes ShotQuality luck, and Threepoint and FT percentage variance luck which are massive factors in any given game. This is considered luck based because those shooting percentages are less controllable shooting percentages for a given defense than any other type of shot. Providence isn't just Kenpom lucky. They have the number one record luck on ShotQuality. And there 3pt% and FT% in conference play are insanely lucky. Providences luck is undeniable.
For example, arquette isn't lucky in a KenPom sense this year. They are +0.003 in KenPom luck, a negligible amount. But in terms of ShotQuailty luck and Three point and FT Luck... Marquette is slightly lucky this year. They give up the 3pt shot a fair bit, at 36.2%, and amazingly teams only shoot 31.6% against them. Last i looked the predicted percentage inside ShotQuality was close to 33% of those threes should have been made. But that 1.4% adds up to be 27-28 points of luck over the entire of the season.
Quote from: panda on February 28, 2022, 03:39:46 PM
They've proven themselves to be more than capable in tight games. That's a skill. Reeves rounding into form at the right time opens up a lot of different options for them on the floor. They're a different team when he's playing. Cooley is a great coach and the team is very comfortable with one another.
They don't have top talent, but with all of the above factors, they've deservedly won the conference and will be a tough out in single elimination games.
Yes and No. It is skillfull for Cooley to win tight games, he is a good coach. He'd win games with neutral talent at a 55-60% rate against an average high major coach.
Being able to consistently come out on the right side of winning tight games at a 89% rate is luck. Its an unsustainable outcome. The amount of times they have done it is undeniably lucky. Going 3-0 in OT is lucky. Being 10-1 in two possession games is lucky.
You can give them flowers and call them lucky.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 28, 2022, 03:55:49 PM
Yes and No. It is skillfull for Cooley to win tight games, he is a good coach. He'd win games with neutral talent at a 55-60% rate against an average high major coach.
Being able to consistently come out on the right side of winning tight games at a 89% rate is luck. Its an unsustainable outcome. The amount of times they have done it is undeniably lucky. Going 3-0 in OT is lucky. Being 10-1 in two possession games is lucky.
You can give them flowers and call them lucky.
They actually get a banner - not flowers.
Only time (games) will tell if they're lucky or not. Of course, if they lose early, is that unlucky? Or just lack of appropriate luck?
I tend to think that they find ways to win rather than just "luck", but hey, that's just my opinion.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 28, 2022, 04:11:18 PM
Only time (games) will tell if they're lucky or not. Of course, if they lose early, is that unlucky? Or just lack of appropriate luck?
I tend to think that they find ways to win rather than just "luck", but hey, that's just my opinion.
The tournament is a crapshoot so can't judge in that respect :-)
Quote from: panda on February 28, 2022, 04:06:48 PM
They actually get a banner - not flowers.
They get a banner. You learn a new idiom.
Providence is not a great team. Would be more than happy to play them Friday night. I worry they may not get there, though. They = pc
I feel lucky
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 28, 2022, 06:55:06 PM
I feel lucky
Is that similar to feeling like a soaking wet crepe paper tiger? Asking for a friend.
I like how Shaka has used a lot of players. That is a real advantage after the first game in the Big East tournament or the NCAA tournament. Creighton losing their point guard, if we play them in first round, gives us a good chance to win our first, second and championship games. The key for me is now to play Creighton in first game.
NCAA tournament is going to depend on our seed. We could win an 8/9 game, but then we have to play a one seed. I really want a 6 seed. Win the first game and I think we have a good chance against a three seed.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 28, 2022, 06:27:58 PM
They get a banner. You learn a new idiom.
And it very much missed the mark - Just like your Morsell in conference play take.
Quote from: panda on February 28, 2022, 07:54:16 PM
And it very much missed the mark - Just like your Morsell in conference play take.
I'm pretty certain you were the only person who didn't understand the idiom. My only point was Providence is lucky.
I'm happy morsell played his first two above average games in a 40+ days. It brought us to 1-1. I hope it continues. Maybe if Greg continues to play as bad as he has been morsells on off numbers can pass him.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 28, 2022, 08:18:13 PM
I'm pretty certain you were the only person who didn't understand the idiom. My only point was Providence is lucky.
I'm happy morsell played his first two above average games in a 40+ days. It brought us to 1-1. I hope it continues. Maybe if Greg continues to play as bad as he has been morsells on off numbers can pass him.
I'd suggest close the laptop, stop looking at the spreadsheets and watch him play. You may actually learn something.
Cooley & Company are The Larry Holmes of The Big East . They beat who ever is put in front of them.
Quote from: panda on February 28, 2022, 08:26:12 PM
I'd suggest close the laptop, stop looking at the spreadsheets and watch him play. You may actually learn something.
I was just dishing back man.
I am not as strongly convicted in that morsell take as i was partly because he played well offensively for the first time since early january, but mostly because Greg can't make a basket right now and well Kam is lights out his defense is very bad.
If there is a stats based "move" to make right now it is to play oso as much as possible vs any team without a traditional center. Improves both the offense and defense. Helps with turnover rates on both sides. Unexplainably doesn't change the rebounding rates.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 28, 2022, 08:52:48 PM
I was just dishing back man.
I am not as strongly convicted in that morsell take as i was partly because he played well offensively for the first time since early january, but mostly because Greg can't make a basket right now and well Kam is lights out his defense is very bad.
If there is a stats based "move" to make right now it is to play oso as much as possible vs any team without a traditional center. Improves both the offense and defense. Helps with turnover rates on both sides. Unexplainably doesn't change the rebounding rates.
We'll see about that in the next two games as DePaul really isn't playing with a traditional big on offense and sju definitely doesn't.
It's pretty easily explained. Oso gets pushed off his spot a lot and is poor at boxing out. Not a great stationary jumper. Hopefully those traits will improve as he bulks up but he's not a great rebounder in traffic.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 28, 2022, 06:56:58 PM
Is that similar to feeling like a soaking wet crepe paper tiger? Asking for a friend.
Now I feel soaked
Quote from: panda on March 01, 2022, 08:04:09 AM
We'll see about that in the next two games as DePaul really isn't playing with a traditional big on offense and sju definitely doesn't.
It's pretty easily explained. Oso gets pushed off his spot a lot and is poor at boxing out. Not a great stationary jumper. Hopefully those traits will improve as he bulks up but he's not a great rebounder in traffic.
I actually think Oso boxes out better than just about anybody on our team. He isn't a quick leaper, though, and he does get pushed off his spot because he needs to get stronger. And he also has to surrender his rebounding position sometimes when an opponent beats one of our perimeter defenders and drives to the hoop. Many times, however, Oso has his man boxed out but a different opposing player soars in from the wing because our perimeter guys are just watching.
Hence Shaka constantly having to remind everybody to think about rebounding.
My expectations for MUBB are the same or similar most years.
Each season is evaluated individually after the completion of that season.
Right now is the time to be preparing to be...wait for it...Lost in the Fight...against DePaul.
According to BetOnline, our odds to win the national title are now 125-1. They were 300-1 at the start of the 2022 calendar year.
Gonzaga is the 4-1 favorite, followed by Kentucky (13-2), Arizona (8-1) and Duke (9-1).
Nova is 18-1 ... UConn is 55-1 ... Providence is 66-1 ... Madison is 80-1.
Oscar Tshiebwe is the prohibitive 1-4 favorite to win POY, followed by Johnny Davis at 8-1.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 28, 2022, 10:37:26 AM
Lucky sham of a team. Ripe for early exits from every March contest they play in. Not just a paper tiger, but a soaking wet crepe paper tiger.
Agreed. Everyone is lumping Providence and UW-Madison together as lucky teams that could get bounced early.
I agree with Providence. They are an early exit. UW-Madison on the other hand might be the best team in America. I'd be surprised if they didn't make the Final Four or at least Elite 8. (That was painful to say).
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 02, 2022, 01:02:19 PM
UW-Madison on the other hand might be the best team in America.
Uh ... no.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 02, 2022, 01:02:19 PM
Agreed. Everyone is lumping Providence and UW-Madison together as lucky teams that could get bounced early.
I agree with Providence. They are an early exit. UW-Madison on the other hand might be the best team in America. I'd be surprised if they didn't make the Final Four or at least Elite 8. (That was painful to say).
You need to watch more hoops
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 02, 2022, 01:22:37 PM
You need to watch more hoops
I dont know that it is possible for me to watch more hoops than I already do on a nightly basis.
Madison is 24-5 with a Big Ten title and 16 Q1 and Q2 wins. Baylor, Kentucky, Gonzaga, Duke, Auburn might be the only 5 teams I could see beating them right now. Things could change but they are the hottest team in the country at the moment.
Providence is a fraud though in my opinion. I'd be surprised to see them in the 2nd weekend.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 02, 2022, 01:35:07 PM
I dont know that it is possible for me to watch more hoops than I already do on a nightly basis.
Madison is 24-5 with a Big Ten title and 16 Q1 and Q2 wins. Baylor, Kentucky, Gonzaga, Duke, Auburn might be the only 5 teams I could see beating them right now. Things could change but they are the hottest team in the country at the moment.
Providence is a fraud though in my opinion. I'd be surprised to see them in the 2nd weekend.
If Providence is a fraud, then Wisconsin is, too.
If Fraudy Providence can beat Wisconsin, anyone in the tournament can.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 02, 2022, 02:04:50 PM
If Fraudy Providence can beat Wisconsin, anyone in the tournament can.
Providence can't beat Wisconsin. They can without the National Player of the Year in the lineup for UW but that's not relative to now.
You can tell by watching them that UW is good and Providence is...meh.
I hope they get upset but right now I think UW would be my favorite to win it depending on matchups. Baylor, Kentucky, Auburn, Gonzaga, Duke are the only 5 I see maybe knocking them off.
I think Nova would be in the conversation too if they had size.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 02, 2022, 02:25:03 PM
Providence can't beat Wisconsin. They can without the National Player of the Year in the lineup for UW but that's not relative to now.
You can tell by watching them that UW is good and Providence is...meh.
I hope they get upset but right now I think UW would be my favorite to win it depending on matchups. Baylor, Kentucky, Auburn, Gonzaga, Duke are the only 5 I see maybe knocking them off.
I think Nova would be in the conversation too if they had size.
UW is 246th in the nation in effective fg%. Only UConn in 2011 would have had a worse % of any national champ.
Ticker on the bottom of the screen on ESPN News a couple days ago had UW at 60-1 and Marquette at 80-1 to Win it all.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 02, 2022, 02:33:42 PM
UW is 246th in the nation in effective fg%. Only UConn in 2011 would have had a worse % of any national champ.
And 24-5 with 16 Q1 and Q2 wins. Their style of play and rare Turnovers cause the opponent to be near perfect and causes panic in win or go home games. They definitely play well above their talent bracket, but they are a good team.
I wouldn't mind Marquette getting a 6 seed to matchup with a 3 seeded UW in the 2nd round!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 02, 2022, 02:42:18 PM
I wouldn't mind Marquette getting a 6 seed to matchup with a 3 seeded UW in the 2nd round!
Why would you want your favorite team to have to face what you called the "best team in America" in the 2nd round?? I smell a Badger troll...
For the record, I'd love to face Bucky again. I think MU has improved more than UW-M since they met on December 4. But not because I want to beat the "best team in America" in the 2nd round. It's because I think they've been lucky and are overrated and I'd love to send them home early.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 02, 2022, 02:25:03 PM
Providence can't beat Wisconsin. They can without the National Player of the Year in the lineup for UW but that's not relative to now.
I recall 2.5 weeks ago your hero playing 34 minutes while taking a home loss to Rutgers.
The Badgers blow
The National Player of the Year plays for Kentucky. And it's not gonna be close.
Per Pomeroy, PC is the 2nd luckiest team followed closely by UW at #5. CU at #13, btw. MU has four losses to those teams.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 02, 2022, 02:47:02 PM
Why would you want your favorite team to have to face what you called the "best team in America" in the 2nd round?? I smell a Badger troll...
For the record, I'd love to face Bucky again. I think MU has improved more than UW-M since they met on December 4. But not because I want to beat the "best team in America" in the 2nd round. It's because I think they've been lucky and are overrated and I'd love to send them home early.
Because I hate UW and would love to knock them out ourselves.
I think they are playing as if they are the best team in America right now. Like I said, things can change. I'm not running from anybody with this Marquette team. I know they'll battle to the end.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 02, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
Because I hate UW and would love to knock them out ourselves.
I think they are playing as if they are the best team in America right now. Like I said, things can change. I'm not running from anybody with this Marquette team. I know they'll battle to the end.
They are nowhere near it. They could make a run. They are solid and experienced. But if Davis has one bad game after the first round, they are done.
They are also the worst 3-point shooting team in the Big14Ten. And they're prone to long scoring droughts. Not the profile of a team that I would bet on to make a deep tourney run.
Back to MU expectations. I expect MU to come out slow tonight. DePaul will get a lead. Scoop heads will explode and some really spectacular takes will be dropped in the game chat. I expect MU to come back and make it close. Win? MU is a narrow road favorite against a conference opponent who is playing better lately. I think the coin flip Vegas odds are fair.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 02, 2022, 03:19:05 PM
They are nowhere near it. They could make a run. They are solid and experienced. But if Davis has one bad game after the first round, they are done.
Davis hasn't been good for a few weeks and they still dont lose even to teams like Purdue.
I love the BIG14TEN comment lol. I don't understand that league. Also the Big 12 has 10 teams...at least the teams in the Big East are all East of something.
Quote from: tower912 on March 02, 2022, 03:38:12 PM
Back to MU expectations. I expect MU to come out slow tonight. DePaul will get a lead. Scoop heads will explode and some really spectacular takes will be dropped in the game chat. I expect MU to come back and make it close. Win? MU is a narrow road favorite against a conference opponent who is playing better lately. I think the coin flip Vegas odds are fair.
I like Marquette convincingly tonight. Time to put the foot down. It's March!
Then get a bet down.
Hoping DePaul starts a couple of weak seniors they have. Good opp for us to jump out ahead early
Is Charlie Moore still a Senior there?