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Title: [Cracked Sidewalks] Predicting the Top-16 Reveal
Post by: brewcity77 on February 18, 2022, 06:54:50 AM
The NCAA will reveal their official Top-16 seeds tomorrow. Today, Cracked Sidewalks looks back at the history of the Reveal to see how it lines up with the official NCAA metrics, both RPI and NET, and predicts what we'll see tomorrow. But unlike the Committee, we go all the way to 68 and beyond with a new S-Curve too.

https://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2022/02/predicting-top-16-reveal.html?m=1
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Predicting the Top-16 Reveal
Post by: Pepe Sylvia on February 18, 2022, 01:15:37 PM
neato
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Predicting the Top-16 Reveal
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 18, 2022, 01:19:16 PM
0-6 Q1 Iowa sucks.  Give me Rutgers instead.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Predicting the Top-16 Reveal
Post by: brewcity77 on February 18, 2022, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 18, 2022, 01:19:16 PM
0-6 Q1 Iowa sucks.  Give me Rutgers instead.

They are tough to evaluate. The Q1 record sucks, but leaving a top-25 high major team in the NET is really hard to do.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Predicting the Top-16 Reveal
Post by: cheebs09 on February 18, 2022, 02:23:48 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 18, 2022, 02:09:35 PM
They are tough to evaluate. The Q1 record sucks, but leaving a top-25 high major team in the NET is really hard to do.

They will be a nice litmus test for MU. I think MU's Q1 wins could get them higher than their NET would indicate. However, if Iowa is fairly high, that might indicate it's not weighted as much as NET by the committee.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Predicting the Top-16 Reveal
Post by: brewcity77 on February 19, 2022, 08:01:58 AM
The Reveal will be today at 11:30 on CBS.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Predicting the Top-16 Reveal
Post by: We R Final Four on February 19, 2022, 08:35:55 AM
Brew—-If we had a 6-8 point lead against GT throughout the game and in the final 3 minutes extended the lead to win by 13........would our NET have dropped? Im trying to understand the reasoning. Would we have been better served not to have a big lead at all? It seems we are being punished for getting out to such a big lead (only to lose it). I get the Butler loss, but GT is difficult to understand.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Predicting the Top-16 Reveal
Post by: brewcity77 on February 19, 2022, 09:09:25 AM
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 19, 2022, 08:35:55 AM
Brew—-If we had a 6-8 point lead against GT throughout the game and in the final 3 minutes extended the lead to win by 13........would our NET have dropped? Im trying to understand the reasoning. Would we have been better served not to have a big lead at all? It seems we are being punished for getting out to such a big lead (only to lose it). I get the Butler loss, but GT is difficult to understand.

No. Final efficiency margin is all it measures. I've heard a proposal that game control should be the primary foundation of the NCAA metric, but as it stands, NET is what we have.

The reason I'm disappointed here is because of what holding the lead like we did in DC would've done. We were on track to improve with the 26-point lead, by a roughly equivalent margin to what we ultimately lost.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Predicting the Top-16 Reveal
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 19, 2022, 09:16:39 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 19, 2022, 09:09:25 AM
No. Final efficiency margin is all it measures. I've heard a proposal that game control should be the primary foundation of the NCAA metric, but as it stands, NET is what we have.

The reason I'm disappointed here is because of what holding the lead like we did in DC would've done. We were on track to improve with the 26-point lead, by a roughly equivalent margin to what we ultimately lost.

Yeah it was rough.

Hopefully we find a way to win out the last 4 to make up for it. I'd imagine if we were to win all 4 at least one of those games would have us massively exceeding efficiency margins.

But it does stink. Shaka has done great this year at managing late game blowouts(whether up or down) to help efficiency. This one got away. We were on track to win that game by 30+.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Predicting the Top-16 Reveal
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2022, 09:18:51 AM
Weird

https://twitter.com/mattnorlander/status/1494763866152218627?s=21
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Predicting the Top-16 Reveal
Post by: We R Final Four on February 19, 2022, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 19, 2022, 09:09:25 AM
No. Final efficiency margin is all it measures. I've heard a proposal that game control should be the primary foundation of the NCAA metric, but as it stands, NET is what we have.

The reason I'm disappointed here is because of what holding the lead like we did in DC would've done. We were on track to improve with the 26-point lead, by a roughly equivalent margin to what we ultimately lost.
Gotcha—its the final score relative to pre game prediction.
However, this team has been both up huge and down huge throughout the season.
In a lot of those games teams make a run....including our own. Because we were up 26 points early in the second half doesn't necessarily mean a 30 point win........regardless of personnel.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Predicting the Top-16 Reveal
Post by: SaveOD238 on February 19, 2022, 06:59:11 PM
While we didn't appear in the top 16 reveal, the reveal did show that Marquette will be a tough team to seed this year.  If we end up on the 5 or 6 line the committee might have trouble placing us by virtue of us having played five of the eight 3 and 4 seeds.  Only Texas, Texas Tech, and Tennessee are available as round of 32 matchups.

Prediction: we either get the Texas-Marquette Shaka battle or get bumped to a 7.
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