The bubble watch on ESPN is now only for ESPN+ subscribers. Has anyone seen what our status is? Do they have us in the "lock" category yet?
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on February 17, 2022, 10:34:33 AM
The bubble watch on ESPN is now only for ESPN+ subscribers. Has anyone seen what our status is? Do they have us in the "lock" category yet?
If you have a Disney+ account you can log in using that fyi.
But they have us in "should be in" only PC and Nova are locks which is fair. Win this weekend and I think we'll be locked
Nova and Cooley & Company are the only locks so far.
MU is "should be in", along with UConn, Xavier, The Hall.
Creighton marked as "work to do". Let's not let them do that work on Sunday.
Quote from: Miss Katie's on February 17, 2022, 10:40:50 AM
Nova and Cooley & Company are the only locks so far.
MU is "should be in", along with UConn, Xavier, The Hall.
Creighton marked as "work to do". Let's not let them do that work on Sunday.
A little help from our Chicago friends tonight would be much appreciated. Yeah- if they take down Creighton tonight they are our friends for one night only.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 17, 2022, 11:23:24 AM
A little help from our Chicago friends tonight would be much appreciated. Yeah- if they take down Creighton tonight they are our friends for one night only.
I do not want to play Creighton after a loss to DePaul and we want our win against them to be a better looking win. I'd say go Creighton over DPU.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 17, 2022, 11:27:06 AM
I do not want to play Creighton after a loss to DePaul and we want our win against them to be a better looking win. I'd say go Creighton over DPU.
I have a feeling DePaul is gonna win tonight. I hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 17, 2022, 11:27:06 AM
I do not want to play Creighton after a loss to DePaul and we want our win against them to be a better looking win. I'd say go Creighton over DPU.
Gotcha, but an L is an L. I get what you are saying though. I think we can have our cake and eat it too. Creighton going 0-2 tonight and vs. MU should secure our BE seeding.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 17, 2022, 11:30:52 AM
Gotcha, but an L is an L. I get what you are saying though. I think we can have our cake and eat it too. Creighton going 0-2 tonight and vs. MU should secure our BE seeding.
4 seed vs. 5 seed doesn't matter in the BE tournament, unless you really like our white jerseys.
I'd rather Creighton get the win tonight and then we beat them on Sunday and pass them in the standings anyways.
Edit: plus the dream scenario for a potential BET run is PC 1, MU/CU at 4/5. UConn, Nova, X, SHU all on the other side. A CU win tonight and MU win Sunday makes that more likely.
Based on our success in the BET, I'm not worried too much about seeding. The biggest issue is not getting into 6/11 game which St. John's helped us there last night. I'd prefer Creighton to be as high as possible in NET.
Hoping Shaka can have some success in the BET.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 17, 2022, 11:41:06 AM
Based on our success in the BET, I'm not worried too much about seeding. The biggest issue is not getting into 6/11 game which St. John's helped us there last night. I'd prefer Creighton to be as high as possible in NET.
Hoping Shaka can have some success in the BET.
If we base our hopes on MU's recent performance in the BET, we won't be playing long. So yeah - gotta hope Shaka can change that
Quote from: BM1090 on February 17, 2022, 11:32:51 AM
4 seed vs. 5 seed doesn't matter in the BE tournament, unless you really like our white jerseys.
I'd rather Creighton get the win tonight and then we beat them on Sunday and pass them in the standings anyways.
Edit: plus the dream scenario for a potential BET run is PC 1, MU/CU at 4/5. UConn, Nova, X, SHU all on the other side. A CU win tonight and MU win Sunday makes that more likely.
You, Galaway and Muggsy have convinced me that a DePaul win may not be in our best interests tonight after all. This is Scoop at its best vs. the childish pissing contests that are all too common. Creighton's remaining schedule has some tough games. Agree Big Time about UCONN being on the other side, as well as the others you listed.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 17, 2022, 11:30:52 AM
Gotcha, but an L is an L. I get what you are saying though. I think we can have our cake and eat it too. Creighton going 0-2 tonight and vs. MU should secure our BE seeding.
This is correct
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 17, 2022, 11:55:06 AM
You, Galaway and Muggsy have convinced me that a DePaul win may not be in our best interests tonight after all. This is Scoop at its best vs. the childish pissing contests that are all too common. Creighton's remaining schedule has some tough games. Agree Big Time about UCONN being on the other side, as well as the others you listed.
We want a 3 seed, this is one of our easier paths to a 3 seed a Creighton loss tonight.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 17, 2022, 01:06:36 PM
We want a 3 seed, this is one of our easier paths to a 3 seed a Creighton loss tonight.
I want a 4 or 5 seed!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 17, 2022, 11:30:52 AM
Gotcha, but an L is an L. I get what you are saying though. I think we can have our cake and eat it too. Creighton going 0-2 tonight and vs. MU should secure our BE seeding.
We definitely want a Creighton win.
Solid chance that a Creighton loss to DePaul and then us at home drops them back out of the top 75 of the NET or at least in the absolute danger zone.
Which means 1. our win at Creighton moves to Q2 and 2. Our loss at home to Creighton is a damn Q3.
BET seeding? Blahhhhhhh. Metrics are way more important.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 17, 2022, 01:25:55 PM
We definitely want a Creighton win.
Solid chance that a Creighton loss to DePaul and then us at home drops them back out of the top 75 of the NET or at least in the absolute danger zone.
Which means 1. our win at Creighton moves to Q2 and 2. Our loss at home to Creighton is a damn Q3.
BET seeding? Blahhhhhhh. Metrics are way more important.
I already walked this back.
I think we're a lock. Lose out and go 17-14. Still safely in with no Dayton.
One more win is a stone cold lock though.
Marquette Golden Eagles
Shaka Smart's team had dropped three of four before the 11-point win at home over Georgetown, and, yes, the road loss at Butler was a surprise. Even so, the one win in that stretch was a 10-point victory at home over Villanova. Marquette is still the most accurate shooting team in Big East play by a fairly healthy margin. And the Golden Eagles are still earning a spot in the top half of mock brackets on the No. 7 line. There was a slight bump in the road in early February, but Marquette's still on track for a really nice seed in the Smart era's first year. (updated Feb. 16)
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 17, 2022, 11:23:24 AM
A little help from our Chicago friends tonight would be much appreciated. Yeah- if they take down Creighton tonight they are our friends for one night only.
Why does that help us? That really just makes it less likely 7 BE teams dance.
edit: had not caught up on thread yet to see the multiple rebuttals to this point, so apologize for pouring on.
Bubble watch is for bubble teams, and we are not a bubble team.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 17, 2022, 01:32:05 PM
I think we're a lock. Lose out and go 17-14. Still safely in with no Dayton.
One more win is a stone cold lock though.
Definitely out if we lose out. That'd give us at least 3, maybe 4 bad losses. But that's not going to happen.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2022, 02:15:01 PM
Bubble watch is for bubble teams, and we are not a bubble team.
I wanted to see if we were categorized as a lock. I know we aren't a bubble team.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 17, 2022, 01:32:05 PM
I think we're a lock. Lose out and go 17-14. Still safely in with no Dayton.
One more win is a stone cold lock though.
Agreed!
Jerry Palm has Marquette as an 8 seed playing Miami for the right to play Kansas in the Round of 32.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 17, 2022, 01:32:05 PM
I think we're a lock. Lose out and go 17-14. Still safely in with no Dayton.
One more win is a stone cold lock though.
Yeah - the only way we'd be out would be if they still considered record in the last ten games. Glad they got rid of that...
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 17, 2022, 04:52:11 PM
Yeah - the only way we'd be out would be if they still considered record in the last ten games. Glad they got rid of that...
Wasn't that called the Wojo?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 17, 2022, 04:51:49 PM
Jerry Palm has Marquette as an 8 seed playing Miami for the right to play Kansas in the Round of 32.
Jerry needs a new job.
Creighton has the best pick and roll defense in the league. I hope they are on the other side of the bracket. If we're in the 4/5 game, I'd much rather see Xavier or Seton Hall.
Quote from: BLM on February 17, 2022, 05:11:10 PM
Jerry needs a new job.
If MU loses another regular season game and then loses their first BE Tourney game, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they end up a 7 or 8 seed.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on February 17, 2022, 05:29:21 PM
If MU loses another regular season game and then loses their first BE Tourney game, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they end up a 7 or 8 seed.
Like you, Jerry Palm sucks
ESPN Bubble Watch
Marquette Golden Eagles
Close games have been bad news for Marquette lately. On paper, this is a group that has lost four of its past six, and those defeats came by two points, eight points, six points and one point to Providence, UConn, Butler and Creighton, respectively. True, the one-point setback on the road to the Bluejays included a banked-in 3 by Golden Eagles guard Kam Jones in the final second. Still, all these contests came down to the 40th minute, and now Shaka Smart's team has dropped to a No. 7 seed in the bracket. To hold that position, MU needs to finish strong at home against the Bulldogs and St. John's and, in between those games, on the road versus DePaul. (updated Feb. 20)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2022, 05:34:59 PM
Like you, Jerry Palm sucks
They might suck, but not for projecting Marquette as a lower seed with the losses piling up. You can't keep squandering games you're in position to win. The Providence and Creighton road contests were winnable in the final moments and Marquette tossed both opportunities right out the window. The team failed to box out up one after a missed three at the "Dunk" and we all know what happened yesterday - one unforced error after another against an already thin roster that lost one of its best players!
Quote from: bradforster on February 21, 2022, 01:27:08 PM
They might suck, but not for projecting Marquette as a lower seed with the losses piling up. You can't keep squandering games you're in position to win. The Providence and Creighton road contests were winnable in the final moments and Marquette tossed both opportunities right out the window. The team failed to box out up one after a missed three at the "Dunk" and we all know what happened yesterday - one unforced error after another against an already thin roster that lost one of its best players!
Jerry Palm sucks
what ever cushion we had built is now gone. These next 3 games have a lot more significance that most of us would have thought a few weeks ago and I'm nervous as none of them seem to be "gimme's"
Butler - already beat us once
DePaul - They are playing a lot better + @winturst always makes me nervous
St. Johns - This is the same team we all agreed we were ok not having to play twice
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 21, 2022, 02:38:52 PM
Butler - already beat us once
DePaul - They are playing a lot better + @winturst always makes me nervous
St. Johns - This is the same team we all agreed we were ok not having to play twice
I like my winturst with secret stadium sauce and sauerkraut.
For the record, I am much more concerned about the Phil and the new golf league than I am about MU playing in the tourney.
Should be in
Marquette Golden Eagles
Despite trailing for much of the contest, Marquette got 16 points from Darryl Morsell and managed to win 64-56 at home against Butler. A loss there would have meant suffering a season sweep at the hands of the Bulldogs and an extended period in which the only victory posted by the Golden Eagles came at home over Georgetown. Instead, Shaka Smart's group is but one win away from lock status. (updated Feb. 26)
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 26, 2022, 08:37:47 PM
Should be in
Marquette Golden Eagles
Despite trailing for much of the contest, Marquette got 16 points from Darryl Morsell and managed to win 64-56 at home against Butler. A loss there would have meant suffering a season sweep at the hands of the Bulldogs and an extended period in which the only victory posted by the Golden Eagles came at home over Georgetown. Instead, Shaka Smart's group is but one win away from lock status. (updated Feb. 26)
How is a fringe 6 seed with one game to play in the regular season not a lock ?
Quote from: panda on February 26, 2022, 08:43:30 PM
How is a fringe 6 seed with one game to play in the regular season not a lock ?
2 games, but yeah we are locked up
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2022, 09:17:42 PM
2 games, but yeah we are locked up
Lol that is the second time I've made that mistake 🙈🙈🙈
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2022, 09:17:42 PM
2 games, but yeah we are locked up
It is three games left. Had we lost to Butler, DePaul, St. John's and 1st game of Big East tournament we would have been a bubble team. I think we now could lose the last three and still be in. The worst would be a play in game. Of course, we would be worrying about the wrong teams winning their conference tournaments.
Quote from: bilsu on February 27, 2022, 09:47:06 AM
It is three games left. Had we lost to Butler, DePaul, St. John's and 1st game of Big East tournament we would have been a bubble team. I think we now could lose the last three and still be in. The worst would be a play in game. Of course, we would be worrying about the wrong teams winning their conference tournaments.
He said "in the regular season". There are two games left in the regular season.
I don't think we are a lock. Think if we lose final 2 games and first in big east tourney we are on bubble and maybe out. WE need to win both final games to lock a bid.
Then you really need to do more research.
I think we're a lock regardless of what happens. Although, a loss to DePaul, St. Johns (x2?...guessing make up is out of the question), and Georgetown is still possible and that would be a complete disaster. Couple that with maybe a few of our games sliding a quadrant (ie Providence moves to Q2) and our resume may look a lot worse on Selection Sunday than it does today.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 27, 2022, 10:59:56 AM
I think we're a lock regardless of what happens. Although, a loss to DePaul, St. Johns (x2?...guessing make up is out of the question), and Georgetown is still possible and that would be a complete disaster. Couple that with maybe a few of our games sliding a quadrant (ie Providence moves to Q2) and our resume may look a lot worse on Selection Sunday than it does today.
I think yesterday's win puts us in the Lock category. Providence won the Big East and only has three loses (including one to us). They aren't sliding out of Quad 1. Let's beat DePaul and SJU and then it doesn't matter.
I think MU is a lock now too. But, the seed position could fall pretty significantly without at least one more win. Gassaway is appropriately cautious about granting locks. MU can get there in his book with one more win, or if enough of the teams on the bubble fail to mount strong finishes.
MUs NET is dropping as expected with the games against teams in the bottom part of the league. And Xavier's collapse has taken away one of MU's Quad 1 wins.
At one time MU had an NET in the 20's with as many Q1 wins as anyone. Now the NET is down to 36 and there are a lot of teams that can match or exceed MUs 6 Quad 1 wins. They really might be looking at an 8 or 9 seed if they lose one or two of the games this week.
Quote from: wisblue on February 27, 2022, 03:01:30 PM
I think MU is a lock now too. But, the seed position could fall pretty significantly without at least one more win. Gassaway is appropriately cautious about granting locks. MU can get there in his book with one more win, or if enough of the teams on the bubble fail to mount strong finishes.
MUs NET is dropping as expected with the games against teams in the bottom part of the league. And Xavier's collapse has taken away one of MU's Quad 1 wins.
At one time MU had an NET in the 20's with as many Q1 wins as anyone. Now the NET is down to 36 and there are a lot of teams that can match or exceed MUs 6 Quad 1 wins. They really might be looking at an 8 or 9 seed if they lose one or two of the games this week.
Not accurate.
Marquette moved behind Seton Hall but is in the Should Be In Section
Marquette Golden Eagles
Marquette's defense has struggled to defend the interior over the back half of the Big East season. Conference opponents have converted 55 percent of their 2-point attempts during this current 3-5 stretch for the Golden Eagles. That trend continued in Marquette's 91-80 loss at DePaul. The Blue Demons hit 56 percent of their 2s (and 91 percent of their free throws) in a game that dropped Shaka Smart's team to 10-8 in Big East play. MU might still earn a No. 8 seed as expected, but that will require better defense both at home against St. John's and in the Big East tournament. (updated Mar. 3)
If anyone is concerned about MU's seeding or bubble position, MSU, Michigan, Oregon and TCU all lost tonight.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 03, 2022, 10:39:52 PM
If anyone is concerned about MU's seeding or bubble position, MSU, Michigan, Oregon and TCU all lost tonight.
Nice.
Ashton Gibbs picked Marquette as a 4 seed or worse to make the Final 4 in the most recent Field of 68 After Dark episode.
Around the 50 minute mark. https://youtu.be/19kAWWLWi1M
Also some talk about Marquette having the best jerseys.
Bleacher Report picked MU to win the BET ! ! ! 8-)
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on March 04, 2022, 07:42:57 AM
Bleacher Report picked MU to win the BET ! ! ! 8-)
Hang a banner
Lets hope and pray they do ! ! ! Its up to those young men on the court ! ! ! Im still behind this team, as always ! ! ! 8-)
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on March 04, 2022, 10:52:14 AM
Lets hope and pray they do ! ! ! Its up to those young men on the court ! ! ! Im still behind this team, as always ! ! ! 8-)
!!! !!!!!! !!!? 8-)
Quote from: BM1090 on March 03, 2022, 10:39:52 PM
If anyone is concerned about MU's seeding or bubble position, MSU, Michigan, Oregon and TCU all lost tonight.
MSU has lost 7 of their last 9. MU not alone with late season struggles.
Quote from: StillWarriors on March 04, 2022, 11:24:48 AM
MSU has lost 7 of their last 9. MU not alone with late season struggles.
But their struggles are easily explained by a letter writing campaign by Joey. What's our excuse?
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 04, 2022, 11:27:16 AM
But their struggles are easily explained by a letter writing campaign by Joey. What's our excuse?
Good point. That's a problem.
Quote from: StillWarriors on March 04, 2022, 11:24:48 AM
MSU has lost 7 of their last 9. MU not alone with late season struggles.
Most years I wouldn't say this, but MSU might not be a bad first round matchup for us. They struggle against pressure D and turn the ball over at an epic clip. They also are allergic to rebounding, much like us. Plus the Joey story...I think almost every one of their fans would like to send him right back where he came from.
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on March 04, 2022, 07:42:57 AM
Bleacher Report picked MU to win the BET ! ! ! 8-)
Have these people been watching the games? Or, were they heavily drinking while watching the games?
Brad ...
Maybe the people picking MU to win
the BET ( lol ) have not had electricity over the last 3 or 4 weeks, and no TV
Quote from: bradforster on March 04, 2022, 12:07:43 PM
Have these people been watching the games? Or, were they heavily drinking while watching the games?
I know I have been
Lunardi now has us a number 8 playing in Ft. Worth. It's great because I will be at the new Dickies Arena for the games. It's not so great that Baylor would be the second round opponent and Waco is an hour and a half away. Baylor would more than likely deliver a shellacking of MU in front of its frenzied fans sitting next to me. I really hope MU can grab a 7 in another region at this point, even though I'd love to watch the team live and in person.
Quote from: bradforster on March 04, 2022, 04:47:12 PM
Lunardi now has us a number 8 playing in Ft. Worth. It's great because I will be at the new Dickies Arena for the games. It's not so great that Baylor would be the second round opponent and Waco is an hour and a half away. Baylor would more than likely deliver a shellacking of MU in front of its frenzied fans sitting next to me. I really hope MU can grab a 7 in another region at this point, even though I'd love to watch the team live and in person.
Marquette wouldn't get blown out by Baylor. They are only 6 guys deep right now and have limited size. Marquettes depth would keep the game close.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 04, 2022, 05:08:10 PM
Marquette wouldn't get blown out by Baylor. They are only 6 guys deep right now and have limited size. Marquettes depth would keep the game close.
You say this as you predict MU to lose at home to St. John's...
Quote from: StillWarriors on March 04, 2022, 11:24:48 AM
MSU has lost 7 of their last 9. MU not alone with late season struggles.
But which team is a lock for the dance?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 04, 2022, 05:33:38 PM
But which team is a lock for the dance?
Marquette
Looks like Joey Hauser is a loser
If Joey knocks Marquette out of the tournament, I'm writing a letter.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 04, 2022, 07:01:21 PM
If Joey knocks Marquette out of the tournament, I'm writing a letter.
Who do expect to find it?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 04, 2022, 07:04:53 PM
Who do expect to find it?
Anyone who can read and write coherent English.
Quote from: bradforster on March 04, 2022, 04:47:12 PM
Lunardi now has us a number 8 playing in Ft. Worth. It's great because I will be at the new Dickies Arena for the games. It's not so great that Baylor would be the second round opponent and Waco is an hour and a half away. Baylor would more than likely deliver a shellacking of MU in front of its frenzied fans sitting next to me. I really hope MU can grab a 7 in another region at this point, even though I'd love to watch the team live and in person.
You should probably realize that Lunardi is an awful bracketologist (probably by choice) and not take his brackets seriously. Go to Bracket Matrix.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 05, 2022, 12:40:20 PM
Why so serious?
Sorry, I thought it was clear that this was a joke, as was my previous post.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 05, 2022, 02:29:17 PM
Sorry, I thought it was clear that this was a joke, as was my previous post.
Mine was a Joker reference ;D
I know UNC is technically a team Marquette maybe wants to lose for seeding purposes, but I think it would be great to see them beat Duke.
Who cares about Coach K? Send him off with an L!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
I know UNC is technically a team Marquette maybe wants to lose for seeding purposes, but I think it would be great to see them beat Duke.
Who cares about Coach K? Send him off with an L!
A Duke loss puts them closer to the bubble
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2022, 05:59:59 PM
A Duke loss puts them closer to the bubble
The ole 3 seed bubble.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2022, 05:59:59 PM
A Duke loss puts them closer to the bubble
And therefore the NIT
Should be in
Marquette Golden Eagles
Behind 28 points from Justin Lewis, Marquette wrapped up the season with an 85-77 win at home over St. John's. While the game marked a return to form for the Golden Eagles after an 11-point loss at DePaul, the task now for Shaka Smart's group is to follow up on that win. We haven't seen that task completed for a while: MU hasn't recorded back-to-back victories since January. A win against Creighton on Thursday at the Big East tournament could improve this team's projected No. 8 seed. (updated March 5)
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 06, 2022, 02:45:13 AM
Should be in
Marquette Golden Eagles
Behind 28 points from Justin Lewis, Marquette wrapped up the season with an 85-77 win at home over St. John's. While the game marked a return to form for the Golden Eagles after an 11-point loss at DePaul, the task now for Shaka Smart's group is to follow up on that win. We haven't seen that task completed for a while: MU hasn't recorded back-to-back victories since January. A win against Creighton on Thursday at the Big East tournament could improve this team's projected No. 8 seed. (updated March 5)
I mean that's kind of ridiculous - I'm sure Brew can verify, but even if every bid stealer possible won and every bubble team won out we are certainly still in.
Quote from: 1SE on March 06, 2022, 04:04:57 AM
I mean that's kind of ridiculous - I'm sure Brew can verify, but even if every bid stealer possible won and every bubble team won out we are certainly still in.
Right now, there are at most 12 bid thieves out there, assuming two things. First, that teams like Loyola Chicago and North Texas are safe no matter what, and that every league with an at-large candidate is won by a team not in the mix.
I had 13 teams behind Marquette before the St John's win. Even if every league with a possible bid thief has one, Marquette still gets into Dayton. We're a lock.
Quote from: 1SE on March 06, 2022, 04:04:57 AM
I mean that's kind of ridiculous - I'm sure Brew can verify, but even if every bid stealer possible won and every bubble team won out we are certainly still in.
It might be a little ridiculous but I'd give him a day or so to sift through the weekend results.
His comment about MU improving its projected 8 seed suggests that he considers MU a lock, but with how late that game ended he might have put in the summary without adjusting the classification.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2022, 05:47:25 AM
Right now, there are at most 12 bid thieves out there, assuming two things. First, that teams like Loyola Chicago and North Texas are safe no matter what, and that every league with an at-large candidate is won by a team not in the mix.
I had 13 teams behind Marquette before the St John's win. Even if every league with a possible bid thief has one, Marquette still gets into Dayton. We're a lock.
So we're still technically close to the bubble, COLE....
Marquette is a new Bubble Watch Lock in The Athletic
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 06, 2022, 09:43:00 AM
So we're still technically close to the bubble, COLE....
COLE HOLE
ESPN Moved Marquette To A Lock Today
Big East
Locks
Villanova Wildcats, Providence Friars, UConn Huskies, Seton Hall Pirates, Marquette Golden Eagles
Should be in
Creighton Bluejays
Alex O'Connell had not one but two clean looks at a 3 in the final 30 seconds at home against Seton Hall. Neither shot fell, however, and Creighton came away with a five-point loss to the Pirates. While the defeat came as a disappointment on senior day, the Bluejays should still be in fine shape as a projected No. 10 seed. Greg McDermott's group will also get a coveted spot in the quarterfinals of the Big East tournament. Proceeding straight to the Thursday sessions at the Garden should minimize Creighton's exposure to a potential bad loss. (updated March 5)
Work to do
Xavier Musketeers
Finally, after five straight defeats, the Musketeers got a win. Beating Georgetown on your home floor isn't particularly unusual this season, but for Travis Steele's team, it was mandatory. A loss to the Hoyas would have pushed Xavier off the No. 12 line and out of the projected field entirely. Now the Musketeers have a chance to hang on to their spot in the field. That effort will start as one of the six teams playing on Wednesday in the first round at the Big East tournament. (updated March 5)
I know X has had quite the late slide but it's interesting to me to see Creighton ahead of them in the pecking order based off of the computer rankings alone
X: KenPom 51, NET 36
Creighton: KenPom 69, NET 66
X also swept Creighton if the H2H comparison is made, beat MU, UConn, OSU tourney teams
Creighton beat BYU, Nova, MU(2), UConn (2).
X: 5-9 Q1, 4-2 Q2
UConn: 5-5 Q1, 4-4 Q2
Then there's obviously the 12-7 conf record versus the 8-11 in a round robin conference, but we are always told conference record no matta.
CU clearly performed better over the conference season and has the better top end wins, but the computer numbers don't agree by a pretty sizeable margin and there's the H2H which should mean something.
Wonder what the comparison is in those two data points that Brew always gives, the combined numbers of the two metrics- brew?
Quote from: DoctorV on March 09, 2022, 08:25:30 AMWonder what the comparison is in those two data points that Brew always gives, the combined numbers of the two metrics- brew?
Guessing you're referring to the Resume and Quality averages. Here they are:
Xavier: 47.5 Resume, 44.3 Quality,
45.9 AverageCreighton: 37.5 Resume, 70.7 Quality,
54.1 AverageBased on that alone, Xavier should be ahead. And yet I look at my own seed list and I have Creighton 41 and Xavier 44. Why is that? Here goes:
Remember selection and seeding are separate, but personally, the last four teams I select still go to Dayton. So if I have selected 32 at-large teams, they will be seeded in accordance with regular seeding rules, but teams 33-36 will be placed in Dayton and placement will occur to line up with everyone else afterwards.
Selection is more heavily resume based. For instance, only one team inside the top-40 (so 39.5 or better) in resume average has ever been left out, and that was 36.0 Louisville last year. That's why Creighton, at 37.5 resume average, is safer than Xavier, who was one of my last four teams selected (33 of 36 at-larges). Because Xavier was in that last four, along with Wyoming, SMU, and Notre Dame, they automatically go to Dayton, though they are my top Dayton team in large part because they have better quality metrics than any of those other three.
Two other factors are Creighton's three Q1A wins (at Marquette, at UConn, v Nova) while Xavier is 0-6 in Q1A and the 9-6 road/neutral record for Creighton vs 5-7 for Xavier. Creighton's quality metrics suck, but everything else screams that they are safely in, even if just ahead of the cut line.
I want to dig in more today, but I think the bubble has shrunk to the point where there are at most 11 teams for 7 spots, though of the four I have outside (Rutgers, Florida, Indiana, Oklahoma) the Scarlet Knights are the only ones who have resume metrics that I feel comfortable putting into the field. More likely, it's 8 teams for 7 spots with Florida, Indiana, and Oklahoma all needing the auto-bid because their Q1 records are just too weak compared to the teams on the other side (though Notre Dame is starting to look shaky in that regard).
Thanks!
In brief, can you tell me how you calculate or where you find the resume versus quality metrics averages?
Are these numbers on the team sheets for the committee to see or just something you or other bracketologists have discovered over the years?
NEVERMIND
Just read your cracked sidewalks post
Quote from the first ESPN Bubble Watch of 2023:
Marquette was picked to finish ninth in the Big East. As we launch Tuesday, the Watch debuts by already showing Shaka Smart's group as a lock to make the NCAA tournament.
You now have to pay $10 a month for ESPN+ to read the article, so this is all I have.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on February 07, 2023, 03:48:26 PM
Quote from the first ESPN Bubble Watch of 2023:
Marquette was picked to finish ninth in the Big East. As we launch Tuesday, the Watch debuts by already showing Shaka Smart's group as a lock to make the NCAA tournament.
You now have to pay $10 a month for ESPN+ to read the article, so this is all I have.
Pro tip: you can get a hulu/disney+/espn+ combopackage for like $15/month. Includes those articles and all the streaming games.
Apparently not behind the paywall in Ireland - the BE blurb
Locks
Marquette Golden Eagles, Xavier Musketeers
Should be in
UConn Huskies
The numbers never stopped believing in UConn, and in fact, laptops rate the Huskies as solid favorites in their upcoming home game against Marquette. Say this for Dan Hurley's men: They have contributed one interesting profile to the annals. Is this the team that started 14-0 with 13 double-digit wins over the likes of Alabama and Iowa State? Or is this really the team that is 1-5 against Big East opponents found in Bubble Watch? Mock brackets are currently answering this evaluative riddle by showing the Huskies on the No. 5 line.
Providence Friars
At this time last year, Bryce Hopkins was averaging seven minutes a game for Kentucky, Devin Carter was coming off the bench for South Carolina and Noah Locke was starting for a Louisville squad that would finish 13-19. (Fans of the Cardinals say those were the days.) All three are now thriving in Providence alongside returning veterans Ed Croswell and Jared Bynum. The 6-foot-7 Hopkins, in particular, has made a name for himself as a foul-drawing dynamo on the defensive glass. In the preseason, the Friars were picked to finish fifth in the Big East, meaning Ed Cooley is outperforming expectations for a second consecutive season. Providence is 17-6 and projected as a No. 6 seed.
Creighton Bluejays
Greg McDermott's team is shaping up as the opponent that no No. 2 seed wants to see in the round of 32. This particular potential No. 7 seed lost six in a row at one point, a stretch that combined worthy opponents (including Arizona, Texas and Marquette) with some bad timing (Ryan Kalkbrenner missed three of the losses due to illness). Then again, the Bluejays also lost on their home floor at full strength to Nebraska. It all seems like a long time ago: Creighton has now won six in a row and is pushing the Golden Eagles and Xavier at the top of the Big East standings.
Work to do
Seton Hall Pirates
In his first season at the helm, Shaheen Holloway has his 15-9 Pirates drawing ever closer to the projected field of 68. Seton Hall has won eight of its past 10 by taking care of business against the bottom half of the Big East (going 7-0 against St. John's, DePaul, Butler and Georgetown) and by posting a crucial one-point win at home over UConn. Now, the schedule becomes more challenging, starting with a home game against Creighton. The Pirates can be turnover-prone, but Saint Peter's transfer KC Ndefo is one of the Big East's best rim protectors, and Clemson transfer Al-Amir Dawes is hitting 40% of his 3s.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 07, 2023, 04:07:10 PM
Pro tip: you can get a hulu/disney+/espn+ combopackage for like $15/month. Includes those articles and all the streaming games.
crap I'm way over paying... I have each separately lmao
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 07, 2023, 04:09:28 PM
crap I'm way over paying... I have each separately lmao
Doesn't include hulu live at that price.
We just got the old bait/switch from Verizon when we changed phone plans(Verizon has a package deal.) We had to switch back, the rep told my wife that they are dealing with this crap all the time, fwiw.
Including hulu live w/Disney and espn+ is s around $70-80.
Quote from: 1SE on February 07, 2023, 04:08:00 PM
Apparently not behind the paywall in Ireland - the BE blurb
Interesting, just used my VPN to place myself in Portugal - and also no paywall. Nice hack!