I'll just leave it at that. Obviously the rebounding is an issue that bit us tonight but this team competes. I fully expect we'll bounce back and learn from this game. Give UCONN credit.
We'll be fine, but rebounding will be why knocks us out of the Tournament no doubt. I just hope it's in the Sweet 16 and not first round.
I'm just trying to figure out if this is a schematic thing, or just the guys we have right now? Does our chaotic defense just get us out of position?
Quote from: BLM on February 08, 2022, 07:41:35 PM
We'll be fine, but rebounding will be why knocks us out of the Tournament no doubt. I just hope it's in the Sweet 16 and not first round.
No doubt it's a gargantuan problem. And some of it is poor fundamentals and not enough ferocity. Our 5's were brutal tonight. The thing is we played a pretty poor game and still had our chances.
Quote from: BLM on February 08, 2022, 07:41:35 PM
We'll be fine, but rebounding will be why knocks us out of the Tournament no doubt. I just hope it's in the Sweet 16 and not first round.
Not enough talent on MU to win 2 games in the tourney.
Win your opening game and that's pretty much maxing out their ability and fans should be satisfied.
UConn played well and earned it.
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 08, 2022, 07:42:34 PM
I'm just trying to figure out if this is a schematic thing, or just the guys we have right now? Does our chaotic defense just get us out of position?
The experts here can answer this better than I. What drives me nuts is not grabbing the ball with two hands and completing our box outs.
There goes the idiot!! How many quad 1 wins does MU have.
Regroup and focus up for Butler. No easy road games.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on February 08, 2022, 07:44:22 PM
Not enough talent on MU to win 2 games in the tourney.
Win your opening game and that's pretty much maxing out their ability and fans should be satisfied.
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UCONN shoots 86% from FT Line. We go 65%. We got hammered on the boards..yet still were clawing in the game.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on February 08, 2022, 07:44:22 PM
Not enough talent on MU to win 2 games in the tourney.
Win your opening game and that's pretty much maxing out their ability and fans should be satisfied.
Solid post. Thanks for playing.
Quote from: BLM on February 08, 2022, 07:41:35 PM
We'll be fine, but rebounding will be why knocks us out of the Tournament no doubt. I just hope it's in the Sweet 16 and not first round.
We get crushed on the boards by big, strong forwards like Sanogo.
The teams we will play in the first round don't have those kinds of players.
Quote from: Fred Garvin on February 08, 2022, 07:47:00 PM
There goes the idiot!! How many quad 1 wins does MU have.
7. with 4 q1a wins.
Could be worse. Could be Indiana. Or MSU at home against Bucky.
UCONN is big and athletic especially with Sanogo
tough matchup for us like you said though were fine we didn't play well and still had chances
Love Oso but he's gotta go to the rim stronger
on to Butler
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2022, 07:52:42 PM
Could be worse. Could be Indiana. Or MSU at home against Bucky.
I'm gonna be so annoyed seeing UW in our gym again, riding their luck to a S16. Ugh.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 08, 2022, 08:14:30 PM
I'm gonna be so annoyed seeing UW in our gym again, riding their luck to a S16. Ugh.
They're not getting out of the first weekend
Winning-out the regular season definitely doable!! Top 3 finish in conference? Count me in! BUT, defensive rebounding will be the post season undoing.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2022, 08:17:05 PM
They're not getting out of the first weekend
have I ever mentioned, better dead, than RED?
The most frustrating thing to me tonight in addition to the obvious, and maybe more so, is that Kolek mentally struggled mightily. And that can't happen from your starting PG. Everyone can have a bad game but he made inexplicable decisions that led directly to UCONN getting quality/transition looks. He forced Shaka to sit him because these were backbreaking type plays and we all know he's better than that. I mean frankly unless a wide open lay-up is available on a drive in the h-court, that's a forced shot versus a shot blocker that he should never take. And it's not his game. KNOW YOUR GAME. PERIOD. I assume Shaka is having a discussion with him and he'll learn from this experience.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2022, 08:22:05 PM
The most frustrating thing to me tonight in addition to the obvious, and maybe more so, is that Kolek mentally struggled mightily. And that can't happen from your starting PG. Everyone can have a bad game but he made inexplicable decisions that led directly to UCONN getting quality/transition looks. He forced Shaka to sit him because these were backbreaking type plays and we all know he's better than that. I mean frankly unless a wide open lay-up is available on a drive in the h-court, that's a forced shot versus a shot blocker that he should never take. And it's not his game. KNOW YOUR GAME. PERIOD. I assume Shaka is having a discussion with him and he'll learn from this experience.
Maybe he has the clap?
Quote from: EasyDuzIt on February 08, 2022, 08:00:02 PM
UCONN is big and athletic especially with Sanogo
tough matchup for us like you said though were fine we didn't play well and still had chances
Love Oso but he's gotta go to the rim stronger
on to Butler
Oso also needs an elbow jumper. He will be hard to guard if he can shoot. A pump fake from the elbow would lead to one step and a dunk if he had a respectable jumper.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2022, 08:22:05 PM
The most frustrating thing to me tonight in addition to the obvious, and maybe more so, is that Kolek mentally struggled mightily. And that can't happen from your starting PG.
It "can't happen?"
It does happen. It happens to every team, every player in the country at some point. They're college kids, not robots.
Yeah, Ty had a bad night. So what. He's won them more games than he's lost them. Deal with it.
Usually I scroll past your nonsense but this pisses me off.
Or his high school girlfriend was among the 40 friends and family in attendance and fried his brain.
Complete sarcasm for those who might miss it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2022, 08:22:05 PM
The most frustrating thing to me tonight in addition to the obvious, and maybe more so, is that Kolek mentally struggled mightily. And that can't happen from your starting PG. Everyone can have a bad game but he made inexplicable decisions that led directly to UCONN getting quality/transition looks. He forced Shaka to sit him because these were backbreaking type plays and we all know he's better than that. I mean frankly unless a wide open lay-up is available on a drive in the h-court, that's a forced shot versus a shot blocker that he should never take. And it's not his game. KNOW YOUR GAME. PERIOD. I assume Shaka is having a discussion with him and he'll learn from this experience.
I'm pretty confident in this coach and these players to make those adjustments. This was a frustrating loss but not a bad loss. The rebounding issues aren't going away but now we have to take care of business now that the schedule is easing.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 08, 2022, 08:29:08 PM
I'm pretty confident in this coach and these players to make those adjustments. This was a frustrating loss but not a bad loss. The rebounding issues aren't going away but now we have to take care of business now that the schedule is easing.
Agreed.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2022, 07:39:30 PM
I'll just leave it at that. Obviously the rebounding is an issue that bit us tonight but this team competes. I fully expect we'll bounce back and learn from this game. Give UCONN credit.
Another way of looking at it is UCONN was the home team, they made 88% from the line while MU made 65%. If both teams shoot their season averages it's a one possession game.
Rebounding is a weakness for MU, and offensive rebounding is a strength for UCONN, so the way you beat them is by executing and shooting better. MU had a stretch where they didn't convert off turnovers and came up empty with numbers. MU can improve on the boards, but you need to beat teams by doing what you do well, not what they do well. The last minute was frustrating, and maybe a good motivator going forward.
Quote from: Magnum on February 08, 2022, 08:30:38 PM
Another way of looking at it is UCONN was the home team, they made 88% from the line while MU made 65%. If both teams shoot their season averages it's a one possession game.
Rebounding is a weakness for MU, and offensive rebounding is a strength for UCONN, so the way you beat them is by executing and shooting better. MU had a stretch where they didn't convert off turnovers and came up empty with numbers. MU can improve on the boards, but you need to beat teams by doing what you do well, not what they do well. The last minute was frustrating, and maybe a good motivator going forward.
That's a pretty good summary.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 08, 2022, 08:27:42 PM
Oso also needs an elbow jumper. He will be hard to guard if he can shoot. A pump fake from the elbow would lead to one step and a dunk if he had a respectable jumper.
Agree. He's had numerous wide open looks at the elbow. He shoots FT's pretty well, albeit the form looks odd. Oso has a ton of potential and will be a really nice player next year/the following.
Quote from: Magnum on February 08, 2022, 08:30:38 PM
Another way of looking at it is UCONN was the home team, they made 88% from the line while MU made 65%. If both teams shoot their season averages it's a one possession game.
Rebounding is a weakness for MU, and offensive rebounding is a strength for UCONN, so the way you beat them is by executing and shooting better. MU had a stretch where they didn't convert off turnovers and came up empty with numbers. MU can improve on the boards, but you need to beat teams by doing what you do well, not what they do well. The last minute was frustrating, and maybe a good motivator going forward.
Good summary. -19 though on the glass makes things super difficult though. It's definitely a weakness but we have to work a little harder.
On rebounding -
1) Why does it seem on MU missed baskets, the other teams gets a near-fast break opportunity the other way every time.
2) Why on opponent missed baskets, the other team has:
a) two guys waiting for the rebound
b) a guy crashing in for a thunderous dunk
c) when MU has position, the ball bounces off the rim 10 feet out from the basket to the opponent
d) when MU finally is in position to get a rebound, they have total butter fingers and cant secure it
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2022, 08:37:03 PM
Good summary. -19 though on the glass makes things super difficult though. It's definitely a weakness but we have to work a little harder.
Kur and Oso had 3 rebounds combined, so that really hurt. Kur wasn't as disruptive on defense as usual and Oso seemed to be playing below the rim all night. It looked like UCONN did a good job getting bodies on them.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on February 08, 2022, 07:44:22 PM
Not enough talent on MU to win 2 games in the tourney.
Win your opening game and that's pretty much maxing out their ability and fans should be satisfied.
They have the most Top 25 wins in the country. Not a fan of the AP Poll? Well, they have the 2nd most Q1 wins in the country. Could they lose in the 1st weekend? Sure. But you gotta be a real idiot to think they can't win 2 games...and that might be generous.
Quote from: Magnum on February 08, 2022, 08:30:38 PM
Another way of looking at it is UCONN was the home team, they made 88% from the line while MU made 65%. If both teams shoot their season averages it's a one possession game.
Agree. Or If MU shoots the 88% from the line and UConn the 65% then MU wins by 1 or 2 points. MU wins 77 to 75.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 08, 2022, 09:02:40 PM
Agree. Or If MU shoots the 88% from the line and UConn the 65% then MU wins by 1 or 2 points. MU wins 77 to 75.
Even better!!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 08, 2022, 09:00:57 PM
They have the most Top 25 wins in the country. Not a fan of the AP Poll? Well, they have the 2nd most Q1 wins in the country. Could they lose in the 1st weekend? Sure. But you gotta be a real idiot to think they can't win 2 games...and that might be generous.
I agree with you completely but the guy you are responding to is a complete douche. Why bother responding and even more so quoting him? Let it go until the mods rightfully ban the guy.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 08, 2022, 09:32:19 PM
I agree with you completely but the guy you are responding to is a complete douche. Why bother responding and even more so quoting him? Let it go until the mods rightfully ban the guy.
I'm relatively new to the muscoop community so I'm unaware of who reacts like that after a loss. I don't have enough experience with him to call him an idiot but reacting like that after the 3rd loss this calendar year is ridiculous.
This team is good.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2022, 01:58:31 PM
I'm relatively new to the muscoop community so I'm unaware of who reacts like that after a loss. I don't have enough experience with him to call him an idiot but reacting like that after the 3rd loss this calendar year is ridiculous.
This team is good.
NLW is just a troll. My advice, put him on ignore and never give him a second thought. It will make your experience here much better.
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 08, 2022, 07:42:34 PM
I'm just trying to figure out if this is a schematic thing, or just the guys we have right now? Does our chaotic defense just get us out of position?
I think you covered it all. Those are the top 3 reasons to me.
There have been a few times in the Providence and UConn games where two MU defenders, usually including Kur, are flying at the shooter after a hand off at the top of the key.
Having two defenders jumping ay a 3pt shooter hurts rebounding. Having your center do it hurts rebounding more.
This is an occasional oops, not a larger systemic one.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 09, 2022, 02:25:19 PM
NLW is just a troll. My advice, put him on ignore and never give him a second thought. It will make your experience here much better.
Noted
Quote from: Jockey on February 09, 2022, 02:55:50 PM
I think you covered it all. Those are the top 3 reasons to me.
I think it's a pretty easy fix but it will take time to correct. They just cant get buried underneath the rim and that'll fix most of the issues. They have the personnel to rebound and I think they will.
One thing to be happy about is that they are causing a lot of misses. The defense is solid. I've already seen improvements from Justin rebounding defensively. The past few weeks he has really gone to grab misses rather than waiting for the ball to come to him. I think they'll be fine.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2022, 03:30:04 PM
I think it's a pretty easy fix but it will take time to correct. They just cant get buried underneath the rim and that'll fix most of the issues. They have the personnel to rebound and I think they will.
One thing to be happy about is that they are causing a lot of misses. The defense is solid. I've already seen improvements from Justin rebounding defensively. The past few weeks he has really gone to grab misses rather than waiting for the ball to come to him. I think they'll be fine.
May I ask what "VIOLENCE" at the bottom of your posts is in reference to?
Obvious.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 09, 2022, 03:30:04 PM
I think it's a pretty easy fix but it will take time to correct. They just cant get buried underneath the rim and that'll fix most of the issues. They have the personnel to rebound and I think they will.
One thing to be happy about is that they are causing a lot of misses. The defense is solid. I've already seen improvements from Justin rebounding defensively. The past few weeks he has really gone to grab misses rather than waiting for the ball to come to him. I think they'll be fine.
I don't know If I agree about the personnel & the makeup of this team. You make a great point about causing a lot of misses and I think one of the byproducts of that is that we don't have enough people to rebound. Neither of our bigs are good rebounders. In fact, they are very poor rebounders. A combination of bad hands, a lack of positioning, and a lack of strength. Sanogo was clearly a man among boys last night.
Kur and Osa aren't going to get stronger over the next 4 weeks. The solution is getting the guards to rebound more on the defensive boards - but is it worth the trade-off to give up open shots? I don't think so, Even getting massacred on the boards, we were able to come within a couple points late in the second half.
I think there are a couple keys for next year. 1) get Osa & O-Max stronger, and 2) get a strong inside presence from the portal.
I was joking with my wife during the game that I hoped UConn made every shot so I didn't get so frustrated over giving up offensive rebounds all the time. I don't wanna feel that way again next year.
I agree Jockey but it's still a bit of a conundrum to me. I've always felt rebounding was about 70% tenacity and effort. I feel in our case the effort is generally there but the fundamentals are somewhat problematic. As another poster stated we can deal with Sanogo grabbing 15 rebs but not Tyrese Martin matching him. Illinois pounded us on the glass without Cockburn. My basic take is we aren't particularly adept at boxing out and often try to grab the rock with one hand. No one denies we don't have Moses, Barkley, and Rodman but we're certainly capable of not getting obliterated by 20+.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 09, 2022, 06:44:46 PM
May I ask what "VIOLENCE" at the bottom of your posts is in reference to?
It's a favorite word of Shaka. He says it to the team to motivate them to play physically.
Quote from: MU82 on February 09, 2022, 08:28:27 PM
It's a favorite word of Shaka. He says it to the team to motivate them to play physically.
Oh....I had to mute that all-access game but I guess I don't pay attention to huddles.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 09, 2022, 08:32:36 PM
Oh....I had to mute that all-access game but I guess I don't pay attention to huddles.
I'm really shocked you haven't noticed this before. He says it constantly and the TV guys mention it almost every game.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 09, 2022, 08:35:36 PM
I'm really shocked you haven't noticed this before. He says it constantly and the TV guys mention it almost every game.
I can get locked in and often don't notice things on the periphery.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 09, 2022, 08:46:00 PM
I can get locked in and not notice things on the periphery.
As best I recall, first noticed (on the wall) here:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62199.msg1373999#msg1373999
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 09, 2022, 09:12:40 PM
As best I recall, first noticed (on the wall) here:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62199.msg1373999#msg1373999
"Ellis trying to make the case for starting pg"...
Quote from: DoctorV on February 09, 2022, 09:46:32 PM
"Ellis trying to make the case for starting pg"...
Lol, early practices can be deceiving.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 09, 2022, 06:44:46 PM
May I ask what "VIOLENCE" at the bottom of your posts is in reference to?
Shaka's favorite way to play!
Quote from: Jockey on February 09, 2022, 07:14:20 PM
I don't know If I agree about the personnel & the makeup of this team. You make a great point about causing a lot of misses and I think one of the byproducts of that is that we don't have enough people to rebound. Neither of our bigs are good rebounders. In fact, they are very poor rebounders. A combination of bad hands, a lack of positioning, and a lack of strength. Sanogo was clearly a man among boys last night.
Kur and Osa aren't going to get stronger over the next 4 weeks. The solution is getting the guards to rebound more on the defensive boards - but is it worth the trade-off to give up open shots? I don't think so, Even getting massacred on the boards, we were able to come within a couple points late in the second half.
I think there are a couple keys for next year. 1) get Osa & O-Max stronger, and 2) get a strong inside presence from the portal.
I was joking with my wife during the game that I hoped UConn made every shot so I didn't get so frustrated over giving up offensive rebounds all the time. I don't wanna feel that way again next year.
The notion that you have to be strong to rebound is false. Can it help? Of course, but this team is plenty capable of rebounding from all positions.
They deploy one of the longer teams in the conference. Kur is nearly 7 feet tall, Justin has a 7 foot wingspan, OMax has great size and length and Darryl does all the intangibles well. They have the makeup to play just about any way they need to play which makes them tough in a 1 game elimination.
As Shaka noted, a lot of it has to do with positioning, and allowing offensive rebounds has been a result of their scattering defense. They'll be fine.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2022, 07:45:36 PM
UConn played well and earned it.
UConn owns MU as proven by us 0-4 since they re-enterred BEast. Until we can start winning some games against them they will own the superiority mantle over us. Can't stand Hurley but he owns us.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 09, 2022, 09:12:40 PM
As best I recall, first noticed (on the wall) here:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62199.msg1373999#msg1373999
If only Shaka had said "REBOUND VIOLENTLY!" that day, we'd be the best rebounding team in the country!
Game seemed like an old one against Cincinnati with Huggy or Louisville with Pitino. Cincinnati and Louisville seemed to be loaded with athletic 6-7, 6-8, 6-9 players that MU just couldn't match up with.
We still fine?
Quote from: ATWizJr on February 12, 2022, 04:05:30 PM
We still fine?
No. Burn it down. Fire Shaka. Rescind scholarships
Allowing wide-open looks from three and being incompetent at rebounding is a horrible combination.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 04:06:18 PM
No. Burn it down. Fire Shaka. Rescind scholarships
[/quote. Yeah. You're right. My bad. We're fine.
Quote from: ATWizJr on February 12, 2022, 05:37:52 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 04:06:18 PM
No. Burn it down. Fire Shaka. Rescind scholarships
[/quote. Yeah. You're right. My bad. We're fine.
What should Marquette do? Panic like idiot fans?
No. No need to panic, but falling out
of " fine " territory.
That was a BAD loss. Period.
They need to be better, and OMFG ...
REBOUND!!!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 05:38:47 PM
What should Marquette do? Panic like idiot fans?
don't confuse panic for realism.
It was a bad loss but we're still fine.
Quote from: ATWizJr on February 12, 2022, 05:45:04 PM
don't confuse panic for realism.
Ok? On November 15th they were 95th in KenPom and as of this moment, they're 28th. That's a 67 spot improvement. Realism is this is a team that is a coin-flip winner/loser during round one of March. On November 15th, they weren't even an NIT team. A LOT of good things can still happen
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 05:48:11 PM
Ok? On November 15th they were 95th in KenPom and as of this moment, they're 28th. That's a 67 spot improvement. Realism is this is a team that is a coin-flip winner/loser during round one of March. On November 15th, they weren't even an NIT team. A LOT of good things can still happen
didn't say they couldn't, but when the number 18 team in the nation cannot defeat an under .500 team that's cause for concern.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 05:48:11 PM
Ok? On November 15th they were 95th in KenPom and as of this moment, they're 28th. That's a 67 spot improvement. Realism is this is a team that is a coin-flip winner/loser during round one of March. On November 15th, they weren't even an NIT team. A LOT of good things can still happen
It's truly amazing that perspective goes completely out the window.
All I wanted this season was for the team to get better from November to February/March. Going into the "gauntlet" I would have been ok with 2-5 or 3-4. We went 5-2.
Yeah, we absolutely sh*t the bed today. Disappointing but so be it.
Hate to break it to everybody but we may lose at DePaul and/or Creighton.
And if that happens? Also terribly disappointing but we're still playing in the Big Dance this year when many, myself included, mistakenly thought that was a pipe dream.
Now that doesn't mean my expectations haven't increased. Today sucked. If we don't go better than 4-2 in the stretch that will also suck. But man, don't panic.
Quote from: ATWizJr on February 12, 2022, 05:54:44 PM
didn't say they couldn't, but when the number 18 team in the nation cannot defeat an under .500 team that's cause for concern.
Baylor lost at home to Oklahoma State. Illinois lost by 16 at Maryland.
Stuff happens
Also, AP rankings are meaningless
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 05:58:44 PM
Baylor lost at home to Oklahoma State. Illinois lost by 16 at Maryland.
Stuff happens
Also, AP rankings are meaningless
so you expected us to lose so you're not surprised and we're still fine. That about it?
Or he chooses to not panic.
Quote from: ATWizJr on February 12, 2022, 06:10:55 PM
so you expected us to lose so you're not surprised and we're still fine. That about it?
No, I expected them to win but I'm also a realist who has watched college basketball for almost 40 years. Teams have bad stretches. Teams win games they should lose and vice versa.
I'm quite confident the staff sees the same things the Joe Beer Guts on scoop see. Pretty confident they aren't panicking
Quote from: tower912 on February 12, 2022, 06:11:40 PM
Or he chooses to not panic.
who's panicking? If you're not concerned you're delusional.
Quote from: ATWizJr on February 12, 2022, 06:15:20 PM
who's panicking? If you're not concerned you're delusional.
Say you're an entitled fan without actually saying it.
Concerned about what? House money at this point.
Quote from: ATWizJr on February 12, 2022, 06:15:20 PM
who's panicking? If you're not concerned you're delusional.
Please share why we all should lose our sh*t.
We've been snakebitten by too many February fades to not be a bit nervous. I'm definitely worried. When the team comes out in listless fashion two games in a row how can you not have some anxiety moving forward?
Quote from: bradforster on February 12, 2022, 06:19:17 PM
We've been snakebitten by too many February fades to not be a bit nervous. I'm definitely worried. When the team comes out in listless fashion two games in a row how can you not have some anxiety moving forward?
Because it's 2022 and this is a completely different roster
Quote from: tower912 on February 12, 2022, 06:16:42 PM
Concerned about what? House money at this point.
why is it house money just cuz pre season expectations were low.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 06:20:09 PM
Because it's 2022 and this is a completely different roster
A different roster came out in desultory fashion in back to back games?
Quote from: bradforster on February 12, 2022, 06:19:17 PM
We've been snakebitten by too many February fades to not be a bit nervous. I'm definitely worried. When the team comes out in listless fashion two games in a row how can you not have some anxiety moving forward?
It's about the middle of the month. We lost on the road to a good Providence team where it came down to the last possession.
We lost on the road to a good UConn team that is a terrible matchup in a competitive game.
Today sucked. I won't make any excuses for it, especially the first half.
So why should I panic?
Again, it sucks but we're going to be alright. Butler made 13 threes which probably hasn't happened all year to a good team. That said the overall defense was not good today, and I think we need to look at a couple of things here.
I thought most of the first half our perimeter defense, along with the pseudo traps, pretty much sucked. We were not stopping the ball, were biting constantly on shot fakes, and gave them way too many screen roll chippies or drop offs. Butler is not a good offensive team and we overpressured the ball.
You force a team like that to score over the top with a hand up, and we for the most part didn't do that at all. Our trapping to try and speed them up actually hurt us and we reacted slowly once they broke pressure and looked like we were on skates. We couldn't stop the ball most of the game.
Additionally, if our 5's are going to play they can't be total non-factors. Lastly, it would be nice if one of our players actually stepped in on a telegraph drive and took a charge.
Quote from: bradforster on February 12, 2022, 06:22:07 PM
A different roster came out in desultory fashion in back to back games?
It happens. I don't know what else to say. These are college kids. It sucks but it is what it is. Listen, if they're down double digits to Georgetown and lose, then panicking will be fine
I'm not panicking. I'm just nervous. I also don't believe in "house money." As a team produces better than anticipated results, expectations change. The team was picked to finish 9th, but after winning eight of ten against mostly stiff competition, the bar has been raised - especially when the last six games (including today) come against the softest part of the schedule. MU should be no worse than a six seed in March. Anything less at this point would be a disappointment. At least from my vantage point.
Quote from: bradforster on February 12, 2022, 06:34:19 PM
I'm not panicking. I'm just nervous. I also don't believe in "house money." As a team produces better than anticipated results, expectations change. The team was picked to finish 9th, but after winning eight of ten against mostly stiff competition, the bar has been raised - especially when the last six games ( including today) come against the softest part of the schedule. MU should be no worse than a six seed in March. Anything less at this point would be a disappointment. At least from my vantage point.
Fair enough
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 06:18:02 PM
Please share why we all should lose our sh*t.
Because this is Scoop
Look, we went down 31-11 or something like that. To a garbage team. It's perfectly fine to be upset and vent a little bit. However, that doesn't mean everything is going to Hell like past years. Nevertheless, I totally disagree with the "house money" analysis. That's complete nonsense and ridiculously unhealthy on a myriad of fronts.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 10:32:44 AM
Nevertheless, I totally disagree with the "house money" analysis. That's complete nonsense and ridiculously unhealthy on a myriad of fronts.
Probably healthier than getting bent out of shape about a bunch of college kids playing a game ;)
Biggest thing to fix IMO, besides the ever-present rebounding issue, is the tendency the last game-and-a-half to just play too much iso ball. I wouldn't call it hero ball necessarily, but the assist numbers are way, way down. Not sharing the ball at all like they were during the streak.
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 13, 2022, 11:53:40 AM
Biggest thing to fix IMO, besides the ever-present rebounding issue, is the tendency the last game-and-a-half to just play too much iso ball. I wouldn't call it hero ball necessarily, but the assist numbers are way, way down. Not sharing the ball at all like they were during the streak.
Great point. I think JLew early in the game should post more and force the double. Sometimes he forces through two defenders and I think he should try to facilitate a bit more to get some of our guys off and in rhythm. When we play iso ball we don't get the quality looks we want in our h-court offense. Unfortunately, we don't have a guy with the downhill zips that makes things easier.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 10:32:44 AM
Look, we went down 31-11 or something like that. To a garbage team. It's perfectly fine to be upset and vent a little bit. However, that doesn't mean everything is going to Hell like past years. Nevertheless, I totally disagree with the "house money" analysis. That's complete nonsense and ridiculously unhealthy on a myriad of fronts.
Why is a fan using "house money" on a fan site "ridiculously unhealthy on a myriad of fronts"?
Whose health is in jeopardy because of those words being used?
Quote from: MU82 on February 13, 2022, 01:54:00 PM
Why is a fan using "house money" on a fan site "ridiculously unhealthy on a myriad of fronts"?
Whose health is in jeopardy because of those words being used?
it's a defeatist attitude and negatively impacts everyone involved in the program. It's also an absurd mindset that serves zero purpose, this isn't 1st grade t-ball.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 02:25:13 PM
it's a defeatist attitude and negatively impacts everyone involved in the program. It's also an absurd mindset that serves zero purpose, this isn't 1st grade t-ball.
My attitude has no impact whatsoever on the program. Neither does yours.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 02:25:13 PM
it's a defeatist attitude and negatively impacts everyone involved in the program. It's also an absurd mindset that serves zero purpose, this isn't 1st grade t-ball.
We might want to think we're important, Muggs, but nothing you or I or tower says "negatively impacts everyone involved in the program."
It was a Scooper's opinion. It hurts nobody. But I defend your right to disagree with that opinion.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 02:25:13 PM
it's a defeatist attitude and negatively impacts everyone involved in the program. It's also an absurd mindset that serves zero purpose, this isn't 1st grade t-ball.
They're playing with house money
Casa cash.
COLE vibe is strong in this thread....
It's as if Scholl forgot to ask Wojo for the keys back to the Al and he is going to come back and coach this team for the rest of Feb.
CONE, not COLE for me. MU is in the tourney, barring a complete collapse. Playing for seeding.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 13, 2022, 03:05:19 PM
COLE vibe is strong in this thread....
It's as if Scholl forgot to ask Wojo for the keys back to the Al and he is going to come back and coach this team for the rest of Feb.
Lol. Keep pushing that dumb narrative.
Are people not aware that teams ebb and flow throughout a season? Do people not watch sports?
Marquette's not as bad as they were yesterday, but not as high as their peak. People engage in way too much recency bias.
Fluffy, you are misreading it. The COLE are watching and seeing a swoon and running scared to Wojo seasons of past.
Normal posters see what you say - ebbs and flows, and this is a totally different team of players, with a different t coach, and a new season. I predict a strong finish...
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 13, 2022, 03:11:41 PM
Lol. Keep pushing that dumb narrative.
Are people not aware that teams ebb and flow throughout a season? Do people not watch sports?
Marquette's not as bad as they were yesterday, but not as high as their peak. People engage in way too much recency bias.
Attitude means everything. If you don't want to compete that's not my problem. I have never gone into any situation in my life where I've said to myself....I'm doing this with "house money". Accepting mediocrity is a horrible way to go through life.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 03:22:29 PM
Attitude means everything. If you don't want to compete that's not my problem. I have never gone I to any situation in my life when I said to myself. I'm doing this with "house money". Accepting mediocrity is a horrible way to go through life.
My attitude means nothing with how the Marquette men's basketball team is going to play ever
Fan attitude matters as well. Attitude matters, period.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 03:24:21 PM
Fan attitude matters as well. Attitude matters, period.
No, it doesn't
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 03:24:21 PM
Fan attitude matters as well. Attitude matters, period.
LOL, no it doesn't.
I spend a week in Florida and the team heads south with me. Time to regroup and close out the season.
So let's say you buy yourself a nice rib-eye steak Uncle R or order one at a restaurant. You go out to your grill, lose focus, and wind up cooking a black brick. It tastes like death but since you're "playing with house money" are you telling me you still enjoy it? What a bunch of nonsense. If fans don't matter then why do people attend sporting events? Are you telling me home-court means nothing in college hoops?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 03:30:42 PM
So let's say you buy yourself a nice rib-eye steak Uncle R or order one at a restaurant. You go out to your grill, lose focus, and wind up cooking a black brick. It tastes like death but since you're "playing with house money" are you telling me you still enjoy it? What a bunch of nonsense. If fans don't matter than why do people attend sporting events? Are you telling me home-court means nothing in college hoops?
That analogy doesn't make any sense. If I'm at a game, I'm cheering. Doesn't mean they aren't playing with house money right now.
Quote from: Goose on February 13, 2022, 03:30:01 PM
I spend a week in Florida and the team heads south with me. Time to regroup and close out the season.
Exactly. It's time for an eagle-eye focus and refuse to lose attitude. This team should win out before the BET.
If I cook it, I order a. pizza and move on. In a restaurant, I have a calm, rational discussion with the server and chalk it up to human error.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2022, 03:32:08 PM
That analogy doesn't make any sense. If I'm at a game, I'm cheering. Doesn't mean they aren't playing with house money right now.
If you're freaking alive you're playing with "house money:. The world is a dangerous place. I don't like the phrase at all and think it should be put to pasture.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 03:35:26 PM
If you're freaking alive you're playing with "house money:. The world is a dangerous place. I don't like the phrase at all and think it should be put to pasture.
That's ridiculous and overreactive, lol
A fan using 'unacceptable' is unacceptable to me. We all have our crosses to bear.
Quote from: tower912 on February 13, 2022, 03:33:46 PM
If I cook it, I order a. pizza and move on. In a restaurant, I have a calm, rational discussion with the server and chalk it up to human error.
You've probably never had a decent meal in your life.
I'm going to have an eagle eye focus on Scoop the next few weeks. That will for sure mean more victories for the Warriors.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 13, 2022, 03:39:02 PM
I'm going to have an eagle eye focus on Scoop the next few weeks. That will for sure mean more victories for the Warriors.
Well we should win out. Unless the players have the attitude that they are playing with house money which has been espoused by some of you.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 03:38:18 PM
You've probably never had a decent meal in your life.
And I am sure you have Karen'd some staff. We all have our crosses to bear.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 03:42:55 PM
Well we should win out. Unless the players have the attitude that they are playing with house money which has been espoused by some of you.
Of course, the players and coaches don't think that. The players and coaches play to win every game. That's why it doesn't matter what I think about "house money". They'll keep playing hard and doing everything they can to get better
Quote from: tower912 on February 13, 2022, 03:43:43 PM
And I am sure you have Karen'd some staff. We all have our crosses to bear.
No, I haven't. I worked in restaurants from 15 through college. Stop creating narratives and judging people.
You realize, of course, that you are doing that exact thing.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 03:24:21 PM
Fan attitude matters as well. Attitude matters, period.
This is amazing. JTFC.
Quote from: tower912 on February 13, 2022, 03:49:45 PM
You realize, of course, that you are doing that exact thing.
My reply was to your exact comment. Did I say something to the effect that I go to restaurants, criticize the food, and am pestiferous and unruly or what have you? No, I don't think so. You concocted a scenario and created a narrative out of thin air.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 03:30:42 PM
So let's say you buy yourself a nice rib-eye steak Uncle R or order one at a restaurant. You go out to your grill, lose focus, and wind up cooking a black brick. It tastes like death but since you're "playing with house money" are you telling me you still enjoy it? What a bunch of nonsense. If fans don't matter then why do people attend sporting events? Are you telling me home-court means nothing in college hoops?
Here's a better analogy:
You buy yourself a nice ribeye steak and you put it on your grill. Your neighbor smells you cooking that delicious steak and says to his wife, "Wow, Muggsy lives a great life. He really is cooking with house money."
Is your steak now in danger of being ruined because your neighbor said something "ridiculously unhealthy on a myriad of fronts" that you didn't even hear and that didn't affect you or your steak one iota?
Quote from: MU82 on February 13, 2022, 04:02:38 PM
Here's a better analogy:
You buy yourself a nice ribeye steak and you put it on your grill. Your neighbor smells you cooking that delicious steak and says to his wife, "Wow, Muggsy lives a great life. He really is cooking with house money."
Is your steak now in danger of being ruined because your neighbor said something "ridiculously unhealthy on a myriad of fronts" that you didn't even hear and that didn't affect you or your steak one iota?
My steaks and other delicacies are almost never in danger of being ruined. It would have to be a cataclysmic circumstance.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 03:30:42 PM
So let's say you buy yourself a nice rib-eye steak Uncle R or order one at a restaurant. You go out to your grill, lose focus, and wind up cooking a black brick. It tastes like death but since you're "playing with house money" are you telling me you still enjoy it? What a bunch of nonsense. If fans don't matter then why do people attend sporting events? Are you telling me home-court means nothing in college hoops?
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I'm done here and apologize if I got carried away. We simply have to get back on track.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 04:08:08 PM
My steaks and other delicacies are almost never in danger of being ruined. It would have to be a cataclysmic circumstance.
Exactly. Even if somebody on a steak-lovers website says something about the way you cook a steak, it will not lead to ruination.
Anonymous commenters on websites don't affect basketball games, either.
Have a good one, Muggs!
Oh, and for the record, I think I know what "we're playing with house money" means, but I never said it and I'm not sure I agree with it. I expected us to go at least 5-1 in these last 6 games, so I'll be disappointed if our guys lose another. House money or not.
Quote from: MU82 on February 13, 2022, 04:24:36 PM
Exactly. Even if somebody on a steak-lovers website says something about the way you cook a steak, it will not lead to ruination.
Anonymous commenters on websites don't affect basketball games, either.
Have a good one, Muggs!
Oh, and for the record, I think I know what "we're playing with house money" means, but I never said it and I'm not sure I agree with it. I expected us to go at least 5-1 in these last 6 games, so I'll be disappointed if our guys lose another. House money or not.
Is ruination really a word? I had to read it several times. I really learned something here.
I'd love a good ribeye at any time.
I'd rather lose 2-3 more games from now until March 17th/18th than lose on one of those two days.
Muggsy I know you think MU should win out, and maybe not lose again until the dance (or at worst lose once in the BET) but it may just not be that realistic my man. I know you don't want to call that playing with house money, but you also have to be realistic at times.
Marquette exceeded its lot in the middle 6 of the 6-6-6 stretch by going 4-2 during that gauntlet. The team is set to underachieve in the final stretch of 6 because at the end of the day all Marquettes reach equilibrium.
Sure going 2-4 in the stretch of the final 6 would seem damning with the schedule, it would seem like the sky is falling indeed. It would still include a trip to the big dance, however.
Worst part of that would be getting a substantially lower seed than current.
1-0 on March 17/18th would make that all but forgotten. Going 5-1 in the last 6 and then 0-1 on March 17/18 would make winning these next 5 all but forgotten.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 13, 2022, 10:51:10 PM
Is ruination really a word?
From dictionary.com:
the act or state of ruining or the state of being ruined.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 13, 2022, 10:51:10 PM
Is ruination really a word? I had to read it several times. I really learned something here.
Did you really have to ask this? Does your computer not have Google? :)
Haus gelt.
If we're playing with house money I'd at least hope we're getting comped a few things along the way as well
L'argent de la maison
So can I pay for a steak with medieval house money?
I believe it was known as hovel money back then.
Quote from: MU82 on February 13, 2022, 04:24:36 PM
Exactly. Even if somebody on a steak-lovers website says something about the way you cook a steak, it will not lead to ruination.
Anonymous commenters on websites don't affect basketball games, either.
Have a good one, Muggs!
Oh, and for the record, I think I know what "we're playing with house money" means, but I never said it and I'm not sure I agree with it. I expected us to go at least 5-1 in these last 6 games, so I'll be disappointed if our guys lose another. House money or not.
Losses happen, but I think the "house money" idea is BS. You're playing a game, win the thing. By most people's definition, house money means you've done better than expected, so a loss isn't the end of the world. But doing better than expected gives you new opportunities. If you squander them, then what was the point of earning the house money in the first place?
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 14, 2022, 03:45:34 PM
Losses happen, but I think the "house money" idea is BS. You're playing a game, win the thing. By most people's definition, house money means you've done better than expected, so a loss isn't the end of the world. But doing better than expected gives you new opportunities. If you squander them, then what was the point of earning the house money in the first place?
Exactly. Raised expectations are a good thing because those come from winning. Time to win some more!
That being said, whether you or I or tower or TAMU or Ners says something different, it doesn't affect the team one iota. Obviously.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 14, 2022, 03:45:34 PM
Losses happen, but I think the "house money" idea is BS. You're playing a game, win the thing. By most people's definition, house money means you've done better than expected, so a loss isn't the end of the world. But doing better than expected gives you new opportunities. If you squander them, then what was the point of earning the house money in the first place?
Apparently to buy a good steak?